Thanks!
Wait, Abel was originally supposed to be a girl? Weird.
And yeah, Rufus going from fit and black to white and fat is quite contrasting.
Edit: he's apparently "a boy with pigtails that could be mistaken for a girl." Ummm, okay, Capcom.
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Capcom just doesn't seem... cool anymore.
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Thanks!
Wait, Abel was originally supposed to be a girl? Weird.
And yeah, Rufus going from fit and black to white and fat is quite contrasting.
Edit: he's apparently "a boy with pigtails that could be mistaken for a girl." Ummm, okay, Capcom.
80s, 90s and early 00s Capcom were heavily involved with Nintendo and Sega, both of which excel (in the past tense when it comes to the latter) at crafting stylized worlds, character designs and top-notch arcadey soundtracks, and Capcom had to constantly push themselves in these aspects to compete with those platforms' first-party lineups. Microsoft and Sony aren't particularly great at any of those things (Sony made genuine attempts on the PS1 and PS2, but have since focused their efforts on more realistic fare), and the lack of pressure has made Capcom lose their touch over time.
As others have said in this thread, Resident Evil is still good. It also happens to be a Capcom IP that is much closer in tone to Microsoft and Sony's first party offerings, and even competes directly with some of the latter's output.
As others have said in this thread, Resident Evil is still good. It also happens to be a Capcom IP that is much closer in tone to Microsoft and Sony's first party offerings, and even competes directly with some of the latter's output.
D.Lo
Member
Cool concept characters, adding variety to the roster, which were thrown out and replaced with a generic Tekken reject and a disgusting looking comedy character.
Still, at least it's not another Cammy #2 or Li'l Bison.
All these duplicate characters combined with Capcom's reluctance to move forward past SFIII in the timeline make it seemingly inevitable that we'll eventually get some time travel nonsense featuring Wee Baby Blanka or Guiletron 3000.
Hours Left
Member
We got the best Abel in SFIV, thank goodness.
He's a top tier design.
He's a top tier design.
killatopak
Member
what? capcom was edgy before edgy was even coined. Zero for example is edgy as fuck.
katsubento
Member
Music is top notch in V to me.
You'll have to refresh my memory here, because all I can remember about Zero is that his robot hat had cute fox ears and his first ever appearance was him cheering X on and then going on to do heroic deeds. Truly the edgiest of all the characters.
Kaleinc
Banned
They thought outsourcing to incompetent devs/studios for cheap would make them a ton of paper. Remasters keeping copcam's output not completely trash.
It's a 100% port lol.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
lucebuce12
Member
Zeouterlimits
Member
*comes into thread kinda generally agreeing about Capcom as a company and their overall output*
*sees it's about SF5 designs*
No, I really like the characters in SF5.
Makes me wish I could play that game :-/
*sees it's about SF5 designs*
No, I really like the characters in SF5.
Makes me wish I could play that game :-/
Why can't you lol
Wait, really? Thought we were past that. Anything after they were shut down is uncool.
yurinka
Member
Abel design is great, just like Crimson Viper, Juri, Rashid, Laura or Ed and his crew (fortune teller, gorilla, slim guy). And the redesigns they did for Nash, Birdie, Urien or Balrog are really cool too.
IMO from SFIV and SFV only Rufus and Fang (add Peter here xDD) are bad designs. But in terms of moveset, Rufus is kinda funny.
IMO from SFIV and SFV only Rufus and Fang (add Peter here xDD) are bad designs. But in terms of moveset, Rufus is kinda funny.
Lies detected. RE6 was pretty decent, but RE7 is great as shown in its 86 metascore.
Lol this post had me dyin over here. copcam is perfect. I will call them this from now on.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Bought SF4 + Fight Stick back in... 2010?
Was crap, didn't really have anyone to play with, was a waste of money.
Have even less people to play with now.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Take a look at Bandai Namco and Tekken for contrast. Tekken is like someone's favorite Ed Hardy tshirt that just won't get thrown out. When Harada submits a new character design, the rest of the team has to come up with tactful ways to explain how they didn't go with the oversized short sleeved button down with roses embroidered on the shoulders and the bedazzled bowling shoes.
BareKnuckle
Member
Play online man, at launch the competition was pretty gnarly but not so much anymore. I hadn't played since Uriens release whenever that was and I got 3 wins a row the other day.
Also don't go mad and get a fight stick because you think it will make you better, just enjoy it for what it is.
sixteen-bit
Member
maybe they don't own the platforms its on
Agreed. The Abel we got is awesome.
FANG is probably my favorite new character they've introduced since SF4. Most of the others are either bad, tolerable, or decent but not that interesting.
I kind of wish his animations were a little more sinister and less goofball but he's still great.
I'd rank the newcomers since 4 from best to worst (including characters that were in other games but not playable in SF until recently) like this:
FANG
Poison
Juri
Ed
Kolin
Rashid
Hakan
Necalli
Abel
Laura
C. Viper
Gouken
Oni
Decapre
El Fuerte
Rufus
Seth
Back in the days of street fighter 2 and before, everyone at the studio could draw. They took turns making posters for their games.
Personally I think that being able to draw well is a huge benefit to having good taste when creating games or movies etc.
When a company grows as large as capcom did, the staff grows and the culture changes. I wouldn't go so far as to say that capcom isn't cool now, they are one of my absolute favourite developers, but they are not the same as they used to be. The whole gaming landscape is different now. Arcades are gone. Console games are overblown.
Maybe Nintendo is one of the only Japanese gaming companies to retain their culture and ethos since the early days of games.
Personally I think that being able to draw well is a huge benefit to having good taste when creating games or movies etc.
When a company grows as large as capcom did, the staff grows and the culture changes. I wouldn't go so far as to say that capcom isn't cool now, they are one of my absolute favourite developers, but they are not the same as they used to be. The whole gaming landscape is different now. Arcades are gone. Console games are overblown.
Maybe Nintendo is one of the only Japanese gaming companies to retain their culture and ethos since the early days of games.
Valonquar
Member
I was very LTTP, just picked up Ultimate MvC3 last weekend for $14 on PSN. Holy shit it's terrible. I seriously don't understand how the company that made MvC2 could release something so utterly devoid of fun. If it wasn't for RE7 being so horrifyingly entertaining, especially in VR, Capcom would be dead to me.
Barrel Cannon
Member
AVP was cool. I wish we had something weird along those lines from capcom again
Projectjustice
Banned
SFV is amazing, most complains vs it are very superficial.
Capcom still very cool, they need to make a Dragon Dogma 2 with 4 player online co-op. No MMO please.
Capcom still very cool, they need to make a Dragon Dogma 2 with 4 player online co-op. No MMO please.
Ninja Kn1ght
Member
Capgod died with Clover.
UrbanDandy
Member
I think they started loosing it when they made their own games with a western aesthetic (see Dark Void and Remember Me*)
* In the case of Remember Me, it was already in development by DONTNOD until Capcom came in with the publishing funds.
Even if they do still want to use outsourcing developers, pick better ones.
Yep. Now they are 'Development Division [place number here]'.
* In the case of Remember Me, it was already in development by DONTNOD until Capcom came in with the publishing funds.
Even if they do still want to use outsourcing developers, pick better ones.
Yep. Now they are 'Development Division [place number here]'.
OsirisBlack
Banned
I love the music in V, I mean the new Vega stage and city in chaos are amazing...
sixteen-bit
Member
SFV's soundtrack has its share of hits and misses alike. Laura's and Juri's themes are trash.
I definitely remember this regarding SF3, I vaguely recall also that it just wasn't that popular of a SF game.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Yup!
Their outsourcing of IP like DMC, Lost Planet, bionic commando etc.. were an exceptionally low point in Capcom's history.
Thank God they realized in time to bring Dragon's Dogma in house and give us that absolute gem.
lucebuce12
Member
There are generally more hits than misses though, where as it was the opposite case for SFIV imo.
D.Lo
Member
Street Fighter 3 was on very expensive new 2D arcade hardware that was fragile and not very versatile - unlike a cheaper Neo Geo or CPS2 there were not many games you could swap out - it was basically an expensive dedicated Street Fighter 3 PCB.
It also launched at a time when 3D was the hot new thing taking over everything, and more importantly, Capcom had burned out the market with dozens of fighters in just a few years.
The following is the list of Capcom fighters released to the arcade just between 1997-1999 (list may be slightly off, just based on a quick search):
Star Gladiator
X-Men vs. Street Fighter
Street Fighter EX
Red Earth
Street Fighter III: New Generation
Street Fighter EX Plus
Marvel Super Heroes
Vampire Savior
Cyberbots: Fullmetal Madness
Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter
Pocket Fighter
Vampire Hunter 2
Vampire Savior 2
Rival Schools
Star Gladiator 2
Marvel vs. Capcom
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact
Tech Romancer
Street Fighter EX2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter III: Third Strike
Street Fighter EX2 Plus
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Street Fighter 3 also never received a timely conversion to a popular console - the first port to a popular/leading console (aka not the essentially DOA Dreamcast) was 3rd Strike on PS2 in 2004 - SEVEN years after Street Fighter 3 first hit arcades, five since 3rd Strike did. Outside Japan it wasn't even released by itself but packaged in Street Fighter Anniversary Collection.
There were many, many, many reasons why it never got public recognition and popularity, none of which had to do with the actual three Street FIghter 3 games themselves.
Yet the only lesson Capcom learned was 'it wasn't enough like Street Fighter II', so now they only make games with as many Street FIghter II characters and derivatives of them as possible.
Street Fighter IV was the exact opposite. It was released to a fighter starving market. I believe almost any semi competent game called Street Fighter 4 would have done well at that time. Unfortunately that meant even a horrifically ugly, creatively bankrupt outsourced 3D monstrosity called Street Fighter IV was successful.
Baleoce
Member
What struck me as utterly bemusing is that the DLC tracks for the Christmas stage (both stage 1 and 2) are absolutely incredible pieces of music, and quite honestly far above the rest of the soundtracks standard. It's all so inconsistent.
Mr.Deadshot
Member
SF5 still has the coolest fighting game characters. But Needs more Sagat and Blanca.
Dragon's Dogma HD will be one of the coolest games on PS4/X1.
Devil May Cry 5 is hopefully around the corner including Dante and one of the most badass villains: Vergil.
Dragon's Dogma HD will be one of the coolest games on PS4/X1.
Devil May Cry 5 is hopefully around the corner including Dante and one of the most badass villains: Vergil.
RockTurtle
Member
Abel was genius design in aesthetics and gameplay mechanics!
i'll cut a bitch!
i'll cut a bitch!
Poltergust
Member
I mean, Capcom is more than just Street Fighter.
As long as they keep making Ace Attorney games, they're cool in my book.
As long as they keep making Ace Attorney games, they're cool in my book.
That shit is toooooooooo expensive nowadays and would probably not even sell as much since the market demographics have changed.
Also the Models MVC and SFV are some of the best they've ever been. Beautiful and faithful to their roots nearly frame for frame.
Projectjustice
Banned
This! SF4 is such a horrible SF game.
I would recommend SF V if you can play it online. You will find opponents close to you, but you will need a good connection. You need much less effort to get good in SF V than in SF IV and your match-up experience counts much more.
SF V is easier to learn the basics and even the most advanced tactics of it. There's much less "tricks" that were common in SF IV and that would create a giant gap between intermediate and advanced players.
Since the gap is shorter now, it's easier to get int and learn the game. It's also easier to get your ass kicked because of 1-2 mistakes and the overall level of the player base has increased too, so everyone is playing less bad.
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