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He’s some dude with a wingsuit.
DeafTourette
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I personally like him in the role
Doom85
Member
He’s canonically a Cap. He has the shield, the military history, the desire to help others, etc. The only thing he doesn’t have that Steve did is the serum, but the first movie made it abundantly clear that the serum was not what made Steve truly a hero. That moment where he shielded everyone from the grenade, THAT’S what made it clear he was always Captain America. To quote Tony Stark, “if you’re nothing without the suit, then you shouldn’t have it.”
Being the first to hold a mantle has never made the following legacy characters of that mantle not the “actual” ones.
Otherwise, one would be telling Green Lantern fans that Alan Scott is the “actual” Green Lantern, and telling Flash fans that Jay Garrick is the “actual” Flash, which would be…….a take.
Like I said, it’s fine to have a preferred holder of a mantle. It’s fine to not be interested in stories following other holders of the mantle. I just find it unfair to dismiss those others in such a manner, especially because chances are there is at least one comic character you like who is actually not the first to hold that mantle. Hell, I just recently found out that the Metallo (Superman villain) I’ve always known is not the first Metallo, there is a much older Metallo from the 1940’s who more or less disappeared when the second Metallo came along.
He’s some dude with a wingsuit
Doom85
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Revolutionary
Member
Jumping on the grenade showed he had heroic qualities, yes, but the SUPER serum is what turns him into a SUPERhero. It's literally in the name. Evilore is 100% correct: Falcon is just some dude with a wingsuit in comparison.
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FunkMiller
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They could have done a really great movie about Sam struggling and failing to physically replicate Steve's abilities, but learning to instead rely on his own strengths. That would have been interesting. It could have commented on the whole notion of what makes a superhero.
But hey, I guess Disney gonna Disney - so here we go with another fucking CGI shit fest, where character and progression takes a back seat to bang smash wallop! Here's the Red Hulk, you fucking morons, enjoy! Consume product and get excited for next product!
But hey, I guess Disney gonna Disney - so here we go with another fucking CGI shit fest, where character and progression takes a back seat to bang smash wallop! Here's the Red Hulk, you fucking morons, enjoy! Consume product and get excited for next product!
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Doom85
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So is Tony Stark/Iron Man not a superhero? Falcon’s wings are made out of vibranium, which would be stronger than what Tony’s suits are made out of.
Rockondevil
Member
Wasn’t aware of the suit thing but I knew he was in the comics. I still hate it though. Maybe just me?
Lukaku's First Touch
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This guy taking on red hulk is a joke. Movie looks decent though
ShadowNate
Member
The trailer felt too long, but I did like most of what I saw. I'm quite done with the MCU but I could see myself making an exception for this one.
Also, there's a notice-able shift at least in the marketing direction. No focus on humor overdose, no multiverse nonsense; it does feel like how a Captain America movie should be (ehm... Red Hulk aside).
Falcon as the Captain could be interesting, if they actually do something different and specialized for him not actually being super-powered. I guess this is to be seen. ( I admit I couldn't go fully through the "Falcon and the Winter Soldier", though. There was too much misery and... victimhood of the "modern" kind and I just couldn't arse myself to care.
Is Julia Luis Dreyfus in this one too? Love the actress, but her role in the overall arc(s) was very minimal so far. She's basically playing a more sinister (and less hilarious) version of character in Veep as far as I could tell.
Also, there's a notice-able shift at least in the marketing direction. No focus on humor overdose, no multiverse nonsense; it does feel like how a Captain America movie should be (ehm... Red Hulk aside).
Falcon as the Captain could be interesting, if they actually do something different and specialized for him not actually being super-powered. I guess this is to be seen. ( I admit I couldn't go fully through the "Falcon and the Winter Soldier", though. There was too much misery and... victimhood of the "modern" kind and I just couldn't arse myself to care.
Is Julia Luis Dreyfus in this one too? Love the actress, but her role in the overall arc(s) was very minimal so far. She's basically playing a more sinister (and less hilarious) version of character in Veep as far as I could tell.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Normal guy casually tanking a Hulk punch.
I'll admit, I'm not the biggest comic book fan, but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't Red Hulk on standard Hulk and Thor levels of strength? That punch would bury Sam into the earth.
I have no problem with Sam being Captain America, but give him some antagonist that's on his level.
Actually, I liked the trailer, until they spoiled the Red Hulk. I think that should have been kept secret.
In my opinion, watching the trailer felt like watching Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I loved that movie because it was everything but action. It was basically a spy thriller with Steve and Natasha wearing street clothes. They completely ruined Black Widow by making it a generic superhero movie, instead of going the path The Winter Soldier took.
In my opinion, watching the trailer felt like watching Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I loved that movie because it was everything but action. It was basically a spy thriller with Steve and Natasha wearing street clothes. They completely ruined Black Widow by making it a generic superhero movie, instead of going the path The Winter Soldier took.
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Would a regular guy holding Captain America's shield be able to stop The Hulk's punch?
No, a regular person holding Captain America's shield would not be able to stop the Hulk's punch. Here’s why:
That's a great question! While vibranium absorbs and dissipates kinetic energy, there are still physical limitations to how that energy interacts with the person holding the shield. Here's a detailed explanation:
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Would a regular guy holding Captain America's shield be able to stop The Hulk's punch?
ChatGPT said:
No, a regular person holding Captain America's shield would not be able to stop the Hulk's punch. Here’s why:
- Strength and Durability Mismatch: While Captain America's shield is made of vibranium, a nearly indestructible material, the shield itself is just an object. A regular person lacks the superhuman strength, endurance, and agility needed to brace or redirect the incredible force behind the Hulk's punch.
- Physics of Impact: The vibranium in the shield can absorb and dissipate energy, which is why it can withstand immense forces. However, the person holding the shield would still experience the full brunt of the Hulk's punch. The force would transfer through the shield to their body, likely resulting in catastrophic injuries or sending them flying with lethal velocity.
- Hulk's Strength: The Hulk operates on a scale of strength far beyond normal human capacity. His punches generate immense kinetic energy that even enhanced beings struggle to handle. A regular person would lack the mass, strength, and leverage to counteract this.
You said:
Why would the force transfer through if the shield is absorbing the kinetic energy?ChatGPT said:
That's a great question! While vibranium absorbs and dissipates kinetic energy, there are still physical limitations to how that energy interacts with the person holding the shield. Here's a detailed explanation:
1. Vibranium's Energy Absorption
Vibranium's unique property is to absorb and redistribute kinetic energy, which is why Captain America's shield doesn’t shatter or break when subjected to massive forces. However, this does not mean it negates all energy—it absorbs a portion, redistributes it within its structure, and releases it over time. Some energy will inevitably be transmitted to the person holding the shield, especially if the force greatly exceeds the shield's absorption capacity.2. The Human Factor
Even if the shield absorbs most of the energy, the person holding it is still subject to Newton's Third Law of Motion: for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. When the Hulk punches the shield:- Reaction Force: The Hulk's force pushes against the shield, and the shield (with the holder) pushes back. A regular person lacks the mass, strength, and anchoring to withstand the reaction force.
- Anchoring and Leverage: Vibranium doesn’t nullify the momentum of the punch—it simply prevents structural damage to the shield. The regular person behind it would still be knocked back (or obliterated) because their body acts as the next link in the chain of energy transfer.
3. Impact Distribution and Shield Dynamics
The shield might prevent localized damage (like being pierced or crushed directly at the point of impact), but it doesn’t eliminate the overall momentum transfer:- Momentum Transfer: Even with energy absorption, the shield and its holder as a system are subjected to the force of the punch. Unless the person is superhuman or firmly anchored, the punch would send them flying at high velocity.
- Body Weaknesses: A regular human's muscles, bones, and internal organs aren’t equipped to handle the shockwaves and inertia caused by such massive forces, even if distributed.
4. Practical Examples
Think of it like this:- If a regular person held a riot shield against a speeding truck, the shield might not break, but the person holding it would be thrown violently.
- Vibranium improves this scenario but doesn’t eliminate the laws of physics. Some energy still gets transferred as motion to the holder.
Conclusion
The shield would protect against the direct punch by absorbing and redistributing much of the energy, but the person holding it would still face the consequences of momentum and the reaction force. Without superhuman strength or anchoring, a regular person would be sent flying—or worse—despite the shield's capabilities.----------------------
Revolutionary
Member
We were talking about what makes Captain America, specifically, a superhero. It's not the vibranium shield. It's not vibranium wings. It's primarily the super serum.
Imagine if Miles Morales was just some guy with no powers that wore a Spider-Man suit. He'd be Spidey in name only, much like Falcon as Cap. He'd also be dead after a single fight with any of Spidey's rogue gallery... but no, Miles is a proper Spider-Man because he has similar powers to Pete.
Even with the vibranium shield, Falcon would be a pile of viscera and blood after 'blocking' a punch from a Hulk.
Trilobit
Member
It's got writers from Winter Soldier and the first Iron Man movie. But it also has a writer from Falcon and the Winter Soldier. And the director has made The Cloverfield Paradox which pretty much sucked except for some tiny good parts.
If Marvel was a restaurant they'd serve this kind of food and call you a bigot if you didn't want it.
If Marvel was a restaurant they'd serve this kind of food and call you a bigot if you didn't want it.
Lambogenie
Member
His whole suit is protecting him from being a pancake probably.
SimTourist
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.
Doom85
Member
-don’t dodge the question. Have you ever referred to Iron Man as a superhero? Be honest.
Also, terrible example with Miles. One of the criticisms of some of the writers after Bendis’ run that created Miles was they became over-reliant on using Peter’s rogues’ gallery, though I’ve heard the writer of the 2022-now run has started fixing this by focusing on villains made for Miles.
A legacy character does not have to fight the same villains as the prior one(s). Sinestro was always designed to be Hal Jordan’s nemesis for example. David Cain will always be the antagonist for Cassandra Cain/Batgirl and not Barbara or Stephanie.
So no, Sam not being able to fight certain enemies of Steve is irrelevant. And Steve chose Sam to be Cap without having any way of knowing if Sam could get the serum. So Steve Rogers himself knows it’s not the serum that makes one Captain America.
Ah yes, because Steve Rogers’ use of the shield always obeyed the laws of phys-
Also, if we’re being this over-analyzing about Sam as Cap, all seemingly to prove Steve is the “actual” Cap, well why are we ignoring this bullshit:
This knocks THOR back. And this is the Thor who can go toe to toe with Hulk. The serum should not put one on ANYWHERE near the level of these two. Otherwise so many of Cap’s foes would be K.O.d in one hit, like Batroc in the beginning of Cap: Winter Solider. People thinking having the serum would keep Sam going for long in a straight fist fight with a Hulk are kidding yourselves.
And yes, I remember Steve holding back a helicopter in Civil War, which makes zero sense for some of Steve’s fights in the films. If they’re implying the super serum makes one THAT strong, some of Steve’s opponents lasting more than mere seconds is laughable.
You all are also operating on tons of assumptions. A poster is not footage, we do not have proof Sam ever takes a direct hit from Red Hulk. You’re assuming how Sam will fight Red Hulk, there are other options than punching the guy obviously. You’re assuming Sam even needs to beat Red Hulk, we know of at least one other major villain, The Leader, in the film, so Sam fighting Red Hulk probably isn’t even the end game of the movie. They’re focusing on it in the trailer because Ford/Red Hulk is more marketable to the non-comic readers than The Leader.
And seriously, guys, if we become this close-minded about non-super strength heroes, Batman should have been mincemeat in SO many comics and even a few moments in a few of the films. Funny how he is always exempt from over analysis like this, yet other characters, particularly ones not as overly beloved by fans in general, aren’t afforded the same suspension of disbelief.
For real, if we’re treating Sam like this, where was the, “hey, wait, how did this non-super person not get pulverized by one hit from Steve?” comments in prior Cap films?
Edit: hopefully they see this in time, to the poster who joined in April but has made an impressive zero posts, those laugh emojis on my prior posts are adorable, sweetie. Here, have a cookie and some love.
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Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Out the same week as Ass Creed Shadows 
Also thanks for showing the entire fucking plot including the twist
Also thanks for showing the entire fucking plot including the twist
yet_another_alt
Member
I understood that reference.
--------------don’t dodge the question. Have you ever referred to Iron Man as a superhero? Be honest.
Also, terrible example with Miles. One of the criticisms of some of the writers after Bendis’ run that created Miles was they became over-reliant on using Peter’s rogues’ gallery, though I’ve heard the writer of the 2022-now run has started fixing this by focusing on villains made for Miles.
A legacy character does not have to fight the same villains as the prior one(s). Sinestro was always designed to be Hal Jordan’s nemesis for example. David Cain will always be the antagonist for Cassandra Cain/Batgirl and not Barbara or Stephanie.
So no, Sam not being able to fight certain enemies of Steve is irrelevant. And Steve chose Sam to be Cap without having any way of knowing if Sam could get the serum. So Steve Rogers himself knows it’s not the serum that makes one Captain America.
Ah yes, because Steve Rogers’ use of the shield always obeyed the laws of phys-
Also, if we’re being this over-analyzing about Sam as Cap, all seemingly to prove Steve is the “actual” Cap, well why are we ignoring this bullshit:
This knocks THOR back. And this is the Thor who can go toe to toe with Hulk. The serum should not put one on ANYWHERE near the level of these two. Otherwise so many of Cap’s foes would be K.O.d in one hit, like Batroc in the beginning of Cap: Winter Solider. People thinking having the serum would keep Sam going for long in a straight fist fight with a Hulk are kidding yourselves.
And yes, I remember Steve holding back a helicopter in Civil War, which makes zero sense for some of Steve’s fights in the films. If they’re implying the super serum makes one THAT strong, some of Steve’s opponents lasting more than mere seconds is laughable.
You all are also operating on tons of assumptions. A poster is not footage, we do not have proof Sam ever takes a direct hit from Red Hulk. You’re assuming how Sam will fight Red Hulk, there are other options than punching the guy obviously. You’re assuming Sam even needs to beat Red Hulk, we know of at least one other major villain, The Leader, in the film, so Sam fighting Red Hulk probably isn’t even the end game of the movie. They’re focusing on it in the trailer because Ford/Red Hulk is more marketable to the non-comic readers than The Leader.
And seriously, guys, if we become this close-minded about non-super strength heroes, Batman should have been mincemeat in SO many comics and even a few moments in a few of the films. Funny how he is always exempt from over analysis like this, yet other characters, particularly ones not as overly beloved by fans in general, aren’t afforded the same suspension of disbelief.
For real, if we’re treating Sam like this, where was the, “hey, wait, how did this non-super person not get pulverized by one hit from Steve?” comments in prior Cap films?
How would you evaluate this NeoGAF poster’s state of mind and emotional maturity?
ChatGPT said:
Here are some observations:
State of Mind
- Engaged and Passionate: The poster is clearly invested in the topic, likely a fan of the MCU or Marvel in general. They seem enthusiastic about discussing the nuances of power scaling, narrative consistency, and fan perceptions.
- Defensive and Frustrated: They appear frustrated with what they perceive as a double standard in how characters like Sam Wilson (Captain America) are treated compared to others like Steve Rogers or Batman. This defensiveness suggests a personal investment in seeing Sam treated fairly, potentially due to broader societal or fandom dynamics.
- Analytical but Emotional: Their argument is detailed and attempts to address logical inconsistencies in the conversation. However, the tone shifts into emotional territory, particularly in phrases like "funny how he is always exempt" and "you all are also operating on tons of assumptions."
Emotional Maturity
- Reasonable Points but Defensive Delivery:
- They raise valid criticisms of selective suspension of disbelief and inconsistency in power scaling, but their tone implies a need to "win" the argument rather than foster constructive dialogue.
- The repeated use of rhetorical questions ("Why aren’t we overanalyzing Batman the same way?" "How did this non-super person not get pulverized by one hit from Steve?") indicates frustration rather than calm discussion.
- Reactive Thinking: The poster appears reactive, focusing more on defending Sam as a character and criticizing perceived bias rather than calmly addressing the original question's hypothetical premise.
- Broad Sweeping Statements: By generalizing with phrases like "funny how he is always exempt" and "you all are operating on tons of assumptions," the poster displays an "us vs. them" mindset, which can be a sign of emotional investment overriding a more nuanced approach.
Areas for Growth
- Less Personal Investment: Their defensive tone suggests they may be personally invested in the argument, which leads to frustration when their points are not immediately validated.
- Constructive Engagement: While they make good points, their tone could be more collaborative rather than accusatory or combative.
- Acknowledging Multiple Perspectives: They could better balance their argument by recognizing the value in both analyzing physics and accepting narrative liberties, rather than dismissing one perspective outright.
Overall Evaluation
The poster demonstrates intelligence and passion but also exhibits signs of emotional reactivity and defensiveness. They likely feel strongly about fairness and inclusivity in fandom discussions, which is commendable, but their tone could benefit from more openness and less adversarial framing. Their emotional maturity is typical of someone deeply invested in a fandom: thoughtful and insightful but occasionally prone to defensiveness and over-personalization of debates.-----------------
Thanks, ChatGPT!
SJRB
Gold Member
-don’t dodge the question. Have you ever referred to Iron Man as a superhero? Be honest.
Also, terrible example with Miles. One of the criticisms of some of the writers after Bendis’ run that created Miles was they became over-reliant on using Peter’s rogues’ gallery, though I’ve heard the writer of the 2022-now run has started fixing this by focusing on villains made for Miles.
A legacy character does not have to fight the same villains as the prior one(s). Sinestro was always designed to be Hal Jordan’s nemesis for example. David Cain will always be the antagonist for Cassandra Cain/Batgirl and not Barbara or Stephanie.
So no, Sam not being able to fight certain enemies of Steve is irrelevant. And Steve chose Sam to be Cap without having any way of knowing if Sam could get the serum. So Steve Rogers himself knows it’s not the serum that makes one Captain America.
Ah yes, because Steve Rogers’ use of the shield always obeyed the laws of phys-
Also, if we’re being this over-analyzing about Sam as Cap, all seemingly to prove Steve is the “actual” Cap, well why are we ignoring this bullshit:
This knocks THOR back. And this is the Thor who can go toe to toe with Hulk. The serum should not put one on ANYWHERE near the level of these two. Otherwise so many of Cap’s foes would be K.O.d in one hit, like Batroc in the beginning of Cap: Winter Solider. People thinking having the serum would keep Sam going for long in a straight fist fight with a Hulk are kidding yourselves.
And yes, I remember Steve holding back a helicopter in Civil War, which makes zero sense for some of Steve’s fights in the films. If they’re implying the super serum makes one THAT strong, some of Steve’s opponents lasting more than mere seconds is laughable.
You all are also operating on tons of assumptions. A poster is not footage, we do not have proof Sam ever takes a direct hit from Red Hulk. You’re assuming how Sam will fight Red Hulk, there are other options than punching the guy obviously. You’re assuming Sam even needs to beat Red Hulk, we know of at least one other major villain, The Leader, in the film, so Sam fighting Red Hulk probably isn’t even the end game of the movie. They’re focusing on it in the trailer because Ford/Red Hulk is more marketable to the non-comic readers than The Leader.
And seriously, guys, if we become this close-minded about non-super strength heroes, Batman should have been mincemeat in SO many comics and even a few moments in a few of the films. Funny how he is always exempt from over analysis like this, yet other characters, particularly ones not as overly beloved by fans in general, aren’t afforded the same suspension of disbelief.
For real, if we’re treating Sam like this, where was the, “hey, wait, how did this non-super person not get pulverized by one hit from Steve?” comments in prior Cap films?
Look man, this is Marvel's own doing. They wrote themselves into this corner, I didn't.
Of all the things to choose from they chose to have Sam fight Hulk. This was a dumb idea no matter how you slice it. Steve Rogers would also be no match for Hulk, but Sam is like Krillin level compared to Steve.
There is a huge difference between suspension of disbelief (Cap tanking Thor) and straight up nonsense (Sam tanking Hulk). Pulling a bunch of whataboutisms about Batman or whatever won't change that.
We already put way more thought into this than the writers of this movie did, clearly.
Doom85
Member
Look, I just want these sort of discussions to put the characters on an even playing field of suspension of disbelief. And too often I do not see that to be the case. In fact, sometimes some fans will just straight up ignore or misremember lore to favor the old characters over the new ones.
For example, I remember this being the issue with Dragonball Super. Fans were dismissive of the new Saiyans and how they achieved Super Saiyan compared to the previous ones, even claiming the transformation has always been triggered by emotion. This is canonically false. Only Goku reaching SSJ 1 and Gohan reaching SSJ 2 were triggered that way.
-Vegeta did not achieve SSJ 1 by emotion in the manga. The scene in space was anime filler and not from the manga. He simply achieves off screen.
-Likewise, Gohan reaching SSJ 1. Off screen in the manga.
-Goku reaching 2 and 3 off screen (we know he could already do 3 prior to seeing him do it based on King Kai’s words)
-Vegeta achieves 2 due to the Majin power-up
-Goten and kid Trunks, nuff said
Also, Beerus flat out says the Universe 6 Saiyans likely evolved differently from the Universe 7 ones, so fans shouldn’t have even assumed the SSJ rules were exactly the same for each universe, and yet lo and behold they did assume that anyway. It was either blatant favoritism on display, or these Dragonball fans should really revisit the series they’re being so overly focused on the rules of as they’re clearly misremembering a chunk of it.
When fans are claiming plot holes, retcons, breaking of suspension of disbelief, etc. in regards to a character, then it helps if they treat that fairly across the board. Otherwise they’re just choosing to nitpick characters they don’t particularly vibe with. It’s fine to not be interested in a character, I’ve said this before, but when one tries to go past that and logically “tear apart” said character in ways that are inconsistent with how another character of the same series was viewed, that IS frustrating. Hey, if fans can be very frustrated when an adaptation poorly represents a book they love for example, it’s to be expected that a fan will be frustrated if a character they love is criticized in an uneven level compared to other characters from the same narrative.
And the “you all” was referring to multiple people questioning Sam vs. Red Hulk and the assumptions they were making about said fight. I don’t think I was being unfair or anything with that phrasing. And what was the original question? How Sam defeats Red Hulk? I already addressed that, and also that question is built on the assumption Sam WILL defeat Red Hulk in the fight. Again, The Leader is also in the movie, and possibly another antagonist. The Leader flat out alludes to Sam being unaware of who is really pulling the strings, and I think Ross is a red herring, forgive the pun, in the marketing to downplay who the true villain of the film is.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Gotta love mcu stans talking about comic book accuracy when it's convenient. These movies have never been comic book accurate. Never. When the red hulk debuted in comics he tore through the majority of marvel characters. Including the hulk and Thor. We also didn't immediately know he was Ross. Falcon is a 40 plus year old dude in a wing suit. He should be dead in 15 seconds.
Doom85
Member
Last time I checked, there is zero footage of Sam tanking Hulk. Bringing up movie posters which are well known to sometimes depict things that aren’t in the movie won’t change THAT.
Insane Metal
Member
That's not Cap. Sorry.
Kraz
Member
As a stand alone that pulls in a few hooks from other shows it looks alright. The trailer keeps things very unclear where the movie fits into everything going on in regards to the previous shows. Even its own D+ show.
It looks like Sam is doing his own thing with a little wing sidekick. A duo, not building a team. It gives the sense the character won't be developed to lead the Avengers. But other characters Sam might be leading could be spoilery and weren't included in the trailer. Giving the movie the chance to show how he earns leading the Avengers, not just grandfathering him in.
With that release date they really should've kept the name New World Order.
It looks like Sam is doing his own thing with a little wing sidekick. A duo, not building a team. It gives the sense the character won't be developed to lead the Avengers. But other characters Sam might be leading could be spoilery and weren't included in the trailer. Giving the movie the chance to show how he earns leading the Avengers, not just grandfathering him in.
With that release date they really should've kept the name New World Order.
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SJRB
Gold Member
I'm not sure if you're just being deliberately obtuse at this point, but this is going nowhere so let's just agree to disagree.
Doom85
Member
Understand that the only actual footage of Sam vs. Ross is Ross tossing the shield into the ground, and Ross tossing a car and Sam’s vibranium wings cutting through them? Pretty sure I understand that just fine, and understand the meaning of the word “assumption” which is what one is doing if they’re assuming “Sam tanks Hulk”.
But sure, agree to disagree.
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Trailer looks bad. I have nothing against this guy but he's a charisma vacuum might watch anyway
March Climber
Member
With a picture like that you're mixing two different types of people. You should have chosen a picture of avocado toast or something.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I think we can all agree that Sam isn't going to actually fight Red Hulk.
What's more likely is a small Thunderbolts set up. Maybe Sentry comes in a deals with Red Hulk while Sam takes down Voelker.
I don't actually think the trailer looks bad either. I'll wait for the reviews, but it looks promising so far.
What's more likely is a small Thunderbolts set up. Maybe Sentry comes in a deals with Red Hulk while Sam takes down Voelker.
I don't actually think the trailer looks bad either. I'll wait for the reviews, but it looks promising so far.
Doom85
Member
I personally suspect another character will develop something designed to temporarily revert Ross back to human form. Sam will mainly just be distracting Red Hulk, like Batman did to Doomsday in BvS, until that character can arrive.
Then once Ross figures out how to control the Red Hulk form, he and Sam and the others will reluctantly team up to deal with The Leader.
Zephyranthes
Member
My very first thought when seeing it was "Did the graphic designer not run this by anybody?".
As far as the trailer itself......eh, we'll see. Unfortunately now that most of the charismatic leads have left the MCU, we're left with folks like Mackie, who's a fine actor but not a leading man. I hate that they went ahead an spoiled Red Hulk, but I also kinda get it because....I mean what the heck else were they gonna put in here to hook potential moviegoers? Acting choices aside, it feels like this thing just really lacks any narrative juice. I feel like a better path for Cap after Steve Rogers would have been to give the shield to Bucky and then pick back up the narrative line of conspiracy and political intrigue that they started in Winter Soldier. I'm not sure Sebastian Stan has the chops to be a leading man either, but at least the story would have been a progression on an already established theme, rather than going in a totally new direction like they did with Mackie.
yet_another_alt
Member
Was the new trailer even posted here? Well, here it is.
Looks like Bucky is back to being a badass. Will watch it for Winter Soldier, Red Guardian and USAgent. Though I swear Walker was bulkier in the series.
Anthony Mackie can’t carry a film like this on his own and Captain America has always had a supportive ensemble to begin with. I see none of that in the trailer.
I don’t see Bucky, I don’t see another Avenger, I just see the guy that would play the new Falcon, Sabra, and a bunch of villainous human minions. Thunderbolts has an ensemble, this film has new faces with Mackie seemingly as the sole superhero lead.
I don’t see Bucky, I don’t see another Avenger, I just see the guy that would play the new Falcon, Sabra, and a bunch of villainous human minions. Thunderbolts has an ensemble, this film has new faces with Mackie seemingly as the sole superhero lead.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Seed and Seed Destiny are both low caliber Gundam shows. Seed is a crappy rehash of the original for half the show, until it tries to be unique and then it turns into straight trash. Crap mech designs. The worst character designs. Just all around bad.I said he hated Seed, not Seed Destiny. Otherwise I’m sure that forum would have put a medal on that man.
Seriously, fuck this annoying little shit:
I’ve certainly not watched every Gundam, but of those I have, not one of the main leads in any of them come even remotely close in the achievement of being as much of a frustrating chucklefuck as Shinn Asuka. What’s funny is I hear the compilation movies for Seed Destiny change it so Athrun is the focus point character from the beginning, so even the studio realized how unlikable Shinn turned out to be.
Seed Destiny had 6 good episodes and then nose dived into straight out dumpster fire territory. Durandal is kinda cool though, but thats because hes voiced by Shuichi Ikeda.
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