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Not surprised it's allowed here

not really, report the post
the mods probably haven't stepped inside this thread yet
nvm the deed is done

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Lol you guys actually want to pick a fight with China... With Donald Trump as the captain of your ship?

 

[kmfdmpig]

Always have perspective when calling another government evil. The perspective that our shit stinks just as much as the rest of them. You just can't read about it in the news/papers.

Ironically, in the US the press is actually free to critique the government. It does oftentimes.
In China on the other-hand not only is the press suppressed, but so too is much of the internet.

 

[Nafai1123]

Why are people comparing the nefariousness of governments as if it has anything to do with the actual issue at hand? China is bad, Trump is bad, Trump starting a twitter war with China is idiotic and reckless.

 

[Psychoward]

"Chinese" and "Big Sticks" does not compute.

With the "big sticks" please

damn dude, I can only assume a Chinese guy fucked your girl

 

[Chmpocalypse]

Chinas obsession with blocking foreign social media is undesirable is my opinion as someone who works there.

I love to see how mad they get about it. Behaving like children. There is lots to say about Trumps Twitter ramblings but China behaves so unsecure in this case. I read an article in a Chinese newspaper that described Xi Jinpings political behaviour as a gold standard for international behaviour. Yes of course.

The best thing are still those weekly press conferences where they cry and complain about everything that is not up to their standard. I think China complained about Japans PM visit to Pearl Habour more than any other countries talked about in general. Day after day, just complaining about what other foreign leaders are doing (while trying to push the massacre of nanjing on the public stage).

They are soooo unsecure.

Do you actually have anything worthwhile to contribute to the conversation?

 

[Lautaro]

Ugh, couldn't he found other totalitarian state to challenge? preferably one with less influence in the world economy?

A trade war is gonna fuck everything for everyone.

 

[Rentahamster]

Of course. But you're essentially agreeing with my post then and then trying to resort to whataboutism. We all know what the US, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, British Empire, France, have done. The post was whether the communist party of china was evil or reprehensive. And then if we are looking at 2016, which government is ultimately better by todays standards. A Barack Obama American government or a Xi Jinping Chinese government or a Vladimir Putin Russian Government.

No, it's about definitions, labels, and the unhelpfulness of hyperbole, not whataboutism. Evil is one of the worst labels you can put on an organization. What do you do in the face of pure evil if not utterly wipe it off the face of the planet? What happens if everyone is called evil, including us? What's the point then? It's useless as a descriptor to help us get any closer to understanding global politics and the motivations of the millions of people that comprise a country. Do we really want to back to back to Bush era Axis of Evil foreign policy?

 

[kAmui-]

With all his twitter nonsense, Trump will Homer Simpson himself a favorable trade victory and then take all the credit that it was planned from the start.

Somebody should shop trump to this.

For reference

 

[cdyhybrid]

We got Nazis in the White House in two weeks and people wanna talk shit about other governments?

 

[kmfdmpig]

No, it's about definitions, labels, and the unhelpfulness of hyperbole, not whataboutism. Evil is one of the worst labels you can put on an organization. What do you do in the face of pure evil if not utterly wipe it off the face of the planet? What happens if everyone is called evil, including us? What's the point then? It's useless as a descriptor to help us get any closer to understanding global politics and the motivations of the millions of people that comprise a country. Do we really want to back to back to Bush era Axis of Evil foreign policy?

I don't want ambassadors, or world leaders to call China's government evil. With that said, I don't think that regular people should downplay the serious human rights abuses, state-sponsored suppression of information, illegal grab of massive swaths of the ocean, and oppression of Tibetans in order to avoid using a strong word. I also think that trying to link the millions of people in a country with the government leadership is a mistake in general, and particularly in countries which control information and limit the ability of people to influence the government in a meaningful way.

 

[bounchfx]

if we hired trump as prez to be professional then no one was paying attention

 

[Rentahamster]

I don't want ambassadors, or world leaders to call China's government evil. With that said, I don't think that regular people should downplay the serious human rights abuses, state-sponsored suppression of information, illegal grab of massive swaths of the ocean, and oppression of Tibetans in order to avoid using a strong word.

Trying to elevate discourse isn't the same as downplaying human rights abuses.

 

[Madness]

LOL what do you know about Tibetans and Falun Gong practitioners? And Taiwan and Hong Kong?

What kind of question is this? If so, without getting personal, more than you'd think.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Ugh, couldn't he found other totalitarian state to challenge? preferably one with less influence in the world economy?

A trade war is gonna fuck everything for everyone.

No, the other ones are good. The Philippines are murdering thousands of citizens a month and it's just tremendous.

 

[Makonero]

No, the other ones are good. The Philippines are murdering thousands of citizens a month and it's just tremendous.

that's just called being tough on drugs, law and order

/s

 

[old]

Alright then trade war it is. A $365 billion annual trade deficit cannot continue. If economic peace requires us to accept significantly disadvantageous one-sided trade arrangements then we choose confrontation instead.

Frankly, I'm concerned by all the cheering and support for China in this thread. Whose side are they on? We finally have an administration willing to stand up to China and represent America's best interests and they act like the administration is the problem.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

No, the other ones are good. The Philippines are murdering thousands of citizens a month and it's just tremendous.

I don't like where all of this is going:

In the UK judges are being mocked by conservatives and tabloids because they decided that the parliament has a vote on the Brexit.

In Poland the judges of the most important court have been replaced with straw men from the alt-right.

In Israel the head of government sais a cold-blooded murderer should be pardoned.

And in the US the president-elect will do everything - literally - everything he can to make sure he stays in power.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Alright then trade war it is. A $365 billion annual trade deficit cannot continue. If economic peace requires us to accept significantly disadvantageous one-sided trade arrangements then we choose confrontation instead.

Frankly, I'm concerned by all the cheering and support for China in this thread. Whose side are they on? We finally have an administration willing to stand up to China and represent America's best interests and they act like the administration is the problem.

Because it is the problem. He's given China more leverage in this by being an idiot with Taiwan and N.Korea. He is literally hurting the US' standing with his words.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Alright then trade war it is. A $365 billion annual trade deficit cannot continue. If economic peace requires us to accept significantly disadvantageous one-sided trade arrangements then we choose confrontation instead.

Frankly, I'm concerned by all the cheering and support for China in this thread. Whose side are they on? We finally have an administration willing to stand up to China and represent America's best interests and they act like the administration is the problem.

Again, you people want to pick a fight with China... With Donald Trump as the Captain of your ship?

 

[K.Jack]

For all of our sake, Twitter needs to ban his account.

 

[kmfdmpig]

For all of our sake, Twitter needs to ban his account.

It is pretty shocking that none of his advisers have been able to convince him that sharing his thoughts with the world without thinking first (something he's not fond of doing) or considering the ramifications might not be a good fit for the presidency. He'd be likely to do dumb things anyway, but Twitter makes international relations that much bumpier.

 

[AnathemicOne]

So far this thread is about drive by racism posts and hyperbole. "Evil" is quickly losing its meaning in misuse

 

[Buckle]

For all of our sake, Twitter needs to ban his account.

Thats what I'm hoping this is all leading to.

"In the interest of national security, twitter bans the president of the united states."

That or he keeps going and ends up having to realize the internet isn't a magical place where words have no consequence like in the real world.

 

[Rentahamster]

Thats what I'm hoping this is all leading to.

"In the interest of national security, twitter bans the president of the united states."

Pretty much anything to get him to shut his mouth.

Then Trump moves to Gab, Gab gets loads of free publicity, and Twitter's stock drops.

 

[always crazy bacon]

It's pronounced GI-NA

Never going to be able to unhear this now.

 

[TheMan]

Ooh trade war, how dramatic.


I guess it's possible, but I feel like both sides have too much to lose to let this escalate out of hand. Although maybe I shouldn't underestimate Trump's stupidity.

 

[ISOM]

Same reason why Trump and Putin will probably be at each others throats soon enough, as well.

LOL, wishful thinking. Trump has been praising Putin for years, almost fallating himself to get a meeting with the guy. The tweets are out there.

 

[Fenderputty]

Again, you people want to pick a fight with China... With Donald Trump as the Captain of your ship?

One ignorant person in this thread doesn't mean we want this.

Ooh trade war, how dramatic.


I guess it's possible, but I feel like both sides have too much to lose to let this escalate out of hand. Although maybe I shouldn't underestimate Trump's stupidity.

One of the benefits of a centrally controlled economey is that the government can divert funds and such without congressional and bureaucratic red tape. If such an event were to take place they would be able to react in a quicker more efficient way while we watch republicans and democrats play whack a mole in congress.

 

[kmfdmpig]

Ooh trade war, how dramatic.


I guess it's possible, but I feel like both sides have too much to lose to let this escalate out of hand. Although maybe I shouldn't underestimate Trump's stupidity.

Agreed. Both sides would lose massively in a trade war. Of course with Trump it's hard to assume rationality or reason.

 

[Lautaro]

Alright then trade war it is. A $365 billion annual trade deficit cannot continue. If economic peace requires us to accept significantly disadvantageous one-sided trade arrangements then we choose confrontation instead.

Frankly, I'm concerned by all the cheering and support for China in this thread. Whose side are they on? We finally have an administration willing to stand up to China and represent America's best interests and they act like the administration is the problem.

Haha I'm sure all these threats will convince the chinese to buy more US products.

Also the trade deficit argument is bullshit,all that money doesn't go to the chinese but to international companies (many of them americans) that fund factories there. You don't have a trade deficit with the chinese, you have a trade deficit with billionaries from both countries.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

One ignorant person in this thread doesn't mean we want this.

It's definitely more than one, I've seen this before in the other Trump vs China threads. Whatever their grievances with China they're glad to have a President 'stand up to them', without realizing that President is the most unqualified man in that position.

 

[water_wendi]

It's definitely more than one, I've seen this before in the other Trump vs China threads. Whatever their grievances with China they're glad to have a President 'stand up to them', without realizing that President is the most unqualified man in that position.

ive seen this sentiment too. What did China do to the US again? Afaik it was CEOs running the corporations that sold American workers out, not China. Same thing goes for illegal immigrants. Its their fault for taking the job and not the fault of the business owner for hiring them?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

It's definitely more than one, I've seen this before in the other Trump vs China threads. Whatever their grievances with China they're glad to have a President 'stand up to them', without realizing that President is the most unqualified man in that position.

"Stand up to them" is a failing in basic understanding of diplomacy. US plays the One China word game to keep Taiwan off the negotiating table and works with China to keep N. Korea in check. Things like the TPP were needed to gain leverage in the region and the carrot of WTO inclusion for China helps the US. Trump with a few tweets and lack of forethought has given away more leverage to China making it much harder to actually stand up to them.

 

[Renekton]

As an Asian Chinese, I'm really delighted by his antics. You can tell most of our political leaders are at a total loss on how to deal with him.

I hope he keeps it up.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

ive seen this sentiment too. What did China do to the US again? Afaik it was CEOs running the corporations that sold American workers out, not China. Same thing goes for illegal immigrants. Its their fault for taking the job and not the fault of the business owner for hiring them?

It's probably not even that- they just don't like China "telling them what to do".

"Stand up to them" is a failing in basic understanding of diplomacy. US plays the One China word game to keep Taiwan off the negotiating table and works with China to keep N. Korea in check. Things like the TPP were needed to gain leverage in the region and the carrot of WTO inclusion for China helps the US. Trump with a few tweets and lack of forethought has given away more leverage to China making it much harder to actually stand up to them.

'Standing up to China' to them means a open show of bravado without thought of the follow up. The plan is to bully China into submission thinking that the US is still the hottest shit around.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Yep I'm simpleton who thinks that murderous dictatorship regimes that threaten to invade other states are "evil".

So I'm afraid I'll have to wait with praising them for their climate efforts (which btw they are one of the most responsible for current pollution) until they stop murdering people while the world pretends to look other way.

We don't just threaten to invade here in the US, we actually invade. Look at all the fake WMD mess.

 

[DragonSworne]

I love how Republicans are worried about not upsetting Russia and love that Trump is brown-nosing Putin but have no worries about Trump starting war with China.

"Standing up to Russia" is dumb but "standing up to China" is smart.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

I love how Republicans are worried about not upsetting Russia and love that Trump is brown-nosing Putin but have no worries about Trump starting war with China.

"Standing up to Russia" is dumb but "standing up to China" is smart.

Yeah it's pretty dumb considering China would absolutely crush Russia.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

I presume this is a reference to "speak softly and carry a big stick" used by Roosevelt.

 

[.JayZii]

"Chinese" and "Big Sticks" does not compute.

What a fucking hacky joke, lol.

 

[7Th]

Good. America needs to bleed so that Trump goes into the history books as the absolute worst president of all time.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

I presume this is a reference to "speak softly and carry a big stick" used by Roosevelt.

It's ironic that they would go back that far. Perhaps the Chinese diplomats are actually hoping there is still a better USA to appeal to. Looking at the dumbass replies in this thread, I'd say their hope is misplaced.

 

[EVIL]

Who the fuck are they to tell us how to conduct our affairs?

this is a question the rest of the world has been asking for a century when talking about the united states

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Good. America needs to bleed so that Trump goes into the history books as the absolute worst president of all time.

Trump is the worst for now but I'm not convinced Americans can't One-up themselves the next time.

People used to think GWB was as bad as they could go.

 

[kmfdmpig]

I agree with you that the US press is free to criticize the government. Under Donnie, though, there's been the threats of not allowing press access if he doesn't like them (read: they criticize them). No, it's not the same as literally firewalling everyone, but it's the same thought process and it's scary as fuck that half of America doesn't seem to care.

I agree with you 100% there. The fact that Trump does not recognize a free press as a strength of the country is a shame. His fragile ego leads him to critique something that US leaders should tout and recognize as an important part of our democracy. I don't think Trump will have much success at curtailing the free press, and even if he plays the access game I think he'll eventually come to realize (or he would if he were smart) that doing so is counter-productive.

 

[Wag]

Oh yeah? Trump has the bigest sticks, the most beautiful, fantastic sticks.

They just like huge in his tiny, tiny hands.

 

[Rentahamster]

Good. America needs to bleed so that Trump goes into the history books as the absolute worst president of all time.

You'd actively root against the entire nation's well being just because you don't like the president and want to see him fail? I'd advise against taking that strategy out of the Republican playbook.

I mean, you could make the argument that hey, they might have won because of it, but is that really where we want to be taking the country?

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

It's ironic that they would go back that far. Perhaps the Chinese diplomats are actually hoping there is still a better USA to appeal to. Looking at the dumbass replies in this thread, I'd say their hope is misplaced.

The current situation is what happens when the patients run the asylum. And to think we haven't even got to the official start of Trump's term yet.

 

[EvetS]

And Twitter is banned in China, oh the ironing.