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[AnotherOne]

Lol arguing over a demo come on guys.

 

[Mr.ODST]

Is nobody going to talk about the difference in not only the colour from both PS5 and Series X but also the fact the PS5 version doesn't react to lighting that much compared to Series X, there is definatley stuff drawn back on the PS5 version.

 

[Riky]

tbh, 1260p on next gen consoles is pretty trash.

I get that resolution isnt everything but when you start hitting 1260p, it starts to look really blurry on 4k screens.

It's only going to go down as next gen engines get more demanding, that's why having the full hardware support for RDNA2 features is going to be crucial going forward.

 

[DForce]

You quoted me first crying over me asking for parity lol. But nice try. Go cry to someone who actually values your conspiracies and hot takes.

You're lying about what I said just like how you lied about the comparison.

 

[Krisprolls]

Is there a single game where Series X managed to reach locked 60 fps ? So much for the "most powerful console" marketing. It seems this console has a big architectural problem somewhere, or some kind of bottleneck.

Dropping frames like this make games unenjoyable, they should drop the res even more if that makes locked 60 fps possible on Series X, making it more similar to the superior PS5 version.

VRR doesn't solve the problem of low and variable fps : it kills black levels on LG OLED, and you get more input lag than playing at 60 fps anyway.

 

[Mr.ODST]

Is there a single game where Series X managed to reach locked 60 fps ? So much for the "most powerful console" marketing. It seems this console has a big architectural problem somewhere, or some kind of bottleneck.

Dropping frames like this make games unenjoyable, they should drop the res even more if that makes locked 60 fps possible on Series X, making it more similar to the superior PS5 version.

VRR doesn't solve the problem of low and variable fps : it kills black levels on LG OLED, and you get more input lag than playing at 60 fps anyway.

Have you even seen the differences between the PS5 and Series X, PS5 looks like dogshit compared.

 

[geordiemp]

I have a B9 and it is excellent. The loss of image quality during VRR is mostly theoretical. I see no difference and I compared both modes extensively.

All expert reviews say it looses IQ and the tV is mde for 60 FPS broghtness and colours - you may not care but it is a fact.

As I said, 60 FPS on OLED is better unless you can link us to reviews of a TV that says otherwise.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Is nobody going to talk about the difference in not only the colour from both PS5 and Series X but also the fact the PS5 version doesn't react to lighting that much compared to Series X, there is definatley stuff drawn back on the PS5 version.

In fairness, the demo has tonemap issues, stated by the devs themselves. HDR tonemapping isn't in the demo at all.

Maybe the color difference is the XsX adding its auto-HDR to enhance the image while the PS5 obviously doesn't have that feature?

That being said, the side by side comparison pics throughout this thread do seem to show more "colorful pop" on XsX, whatever the reason may be.

 

[Riky]

Have you even seen the differences between the PS5 and Series X, PS5 looks like dogshit compared.

Gears 5 is a locked 60fps as well and it's very demanding on PC, it's a solid 120fps in multiplayer.

 

[Mr Moose]

Gears 5 is a locked 60fps as well and it's very demanding on PC, it's a solid 120fps in multiplayer.

I think you replied to the wrong person.

 

[Nikana]

Lol arguing over a demo come on guys.

 

[M1chl]

My thread is going strong. Keep it up!

 

[Mr.ODST]

In fairness, the demo has tonemap issues, stated by the devs themselves. HDR tonemapping isn't in the demo at all.

Maybe the color difference is the XsX adding its auto-HDR to enhance the image while the PS5 obviously doesn't have that feature?

That being said, the side by side comparison pics throughout this thread do seem to show more pop on XsX, whatever the reason may be.

Actually a good thought about Auto-HDR, if thats the case the technology is working extremely well.

 

[M1chl]

I think you replied to the wrong person.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Yeah it's interesting that they had to drop resolution hard and remove some physics, same as with Hitman 3 where they had to go for low resolution and low quality shadows.

Here you go again with hitman, even though i caught you in a lie about it on another thread.

 

[DForce]

Is nobody going to talk about the difference in not only the colour from both PS5 and Series X but also the fact the PS5 version doesn't react to lighting that much compared to Series X, there is definatley stuff drawn back on the PS5 version.

Top = PlayStation 5
Bottom - Xbox Series X

PlayStation's 5 tone just appears lighter than the Xbox Series X version.

I don't think this is the result of the lighting being better, but just that the tone is darker on the Xbox Series X version.

 

[Krisprolls]

Have you even seen the differences between the PS5 and Series X, PS5 looks like dogshit compared.

Err, looks like it's the Series X version that looks like shit on top of dropping frames compared to PS5 :

(from the other thread / VG Tech analysis)

So much blurriness, as usual on XSX... I don't know if it's supposed to be higher res, but it definitely looks blurrier on Series X.

 

[Riky]

Here you go again with hitman, even though i caught you in a lie about it on another thread.

There was no lie, it's a real time scene, ok not " gameplay" as such but real time. So when the PS5 bombs at 1800p with lower settings it's obvious it couldn't in no way handle 4k with higher settings.
1800p is becoming a theme just like 1440p was on the Pro, the GPU just isn't powerful enough for 4k gaming.

 

[jroc74]

So again.
PS5 out here pushing higher quality texture while maintaining 60@1800p.
And people bragging about higher res with lower quality texture with unstable frame rate.

PS5 should be nickname Undertaker for going 25-2 win/lost against the world's most powerful console.

Its amazing, really.

 

[skit_data]

Just like many previous comparisons, im totally fine with PS5 having a slightly lower res in order to run at a locked 60 fps.

If team green is fine with their version having slightly higher res and a few dips i guess we can call it a win for everybody?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

There was no lie, it's a real time scene, ok not " gameplay" as such but real time. So when the PS5 bombs at 1800p with lower settings it's obvious it couldn't in no way handle 4k with higher settings.
1800p is becoming a theme just like 1440p was on the Pro, the GPU just isn't powerful enough for 4k gaming.

Lower settings? You mean this:

PS5

XSX

Enjoy your gimped graphics at a slightly higher resolution in a choppy fps.

 

[BigLee74]

How about this from VGtech?

Seems like gimped graphics (HW VRS is the suspect). Source: @Lysandros

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

www.neogaf.com

Isn’t this the point of VRS (if that’s what it is)? To reduce the resolution of unimportant areas to claw back a few frames? So what’s been zoomed in on here? A corner of the screen? Regardless, I’ve never liked the sound of VRS.

Regarding the res v performance trade off. Maybe the devs thought it was worth it on the XSX? Maybe it plays ok without any perceivable hitching or tearing, or they think they can bring it up for release? Maybe the PS5 was tried at the same resolution, but the drops in that case were too problematic? Maybe MS and Sony are dictating the res v performance trade offs? (and if so, I’m with Sony on this one).

Fundamentally, the truth is that unless games run at identical settings, we will never know what one actually performs the best and is the true beast. Way too many variables, and there is no clear winner as a result, just subjective preferences.

 

[Krisprolls]

Lower settings? You mean this:

PS5

XSX

Enjoy your gimped graphics at a slightly higher resolution in a choppy fps.

Yes, PS5 looking sharper again, maybe due to less VRS use ? PS5 using custom Geometry Engine reduces the need for VRS.

Between that and the usual higher and more stable fps, it's not hard to see PS5 has the superior version again.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

I am curious...honest question:

How many people in this thread are planning on buying the game? I am in on Day One (PS5 version, for the Plat, despite playing a lot of the demo on my PC).

Gears 5 is a locked 60fps as well and it's very demanding on PC, it's a solid 120fps in multiplayer.

Yeah, and additionally the XsX hits 60 fps in numerous games. I am not sure where the "has XsX hit 60 fps in ANY game" question came from. Listing them all would get redundant.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Isn’t this the point of VRS (if that’s what it is)? To reduce the resolution of unimportant areas to claw back a few frames? So what’s been zoomed in on here? A corner of the screen? Regardless, I’ve never liked the sound of VRS.

Regarding the res v performance trade off. Maybe the devs thought it was worth it on the XSX? Maybe it plays ok without any perceivable hitching or tearing, or they think they can bring it up for release? Maybe the PS5 was tried at the same resolution, but the drops in that case were too problematic? Maybe MS and Sony are dictating the res v performance trade offs? (and if so, I’m with Sony on this one).

Fundamentally, the truth is that unless games run at identical settings, we will never know what one actually performs the best and is the true beast. Way too many variables, and there is no clear winner as a result, just subjective preferences.

You are missing the elephant in the room, XSX with all the compromised graphics can't hold 60fps. So what is this VRS doing anyway if it only adds muddy graphics with no FPS boost?

 

[Entroyp]

Clear win for PS5. Even Phil knows framerate is king.

 

[M1chl]

You are missing the elephant in the room, XSX with all the compromised graphics can't hold 60fps. So what are this VRS doing anyway if it only adds muddy graphics with no FPS boost?

I believe that VRS is not utilised, it's just poor AF.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I believe that VRS is not utilised, it's just poor AF.

That's the problem with HW VRS as explained by Activision vs SW VRS.

 

[sinnergy]

That's the problem with HW VRS as explained by Activision vs SW VRS.

Good thing Series has VRS tier 2 as option

 

[M1chl]

That's the problem with HW VRS as explained by Activision vs SW VRS.

Well we've seen good implementation of VRS Tier 2 in Gears 5. But that's about it, that game is looking awesome, however other implementation so far sucked, I mean the HW accelerated ones, like I said and keep saying, the tools are important to improve on MS side. I remember that mess back in 2016-2017 and sine the newest build of OS is full of bugs, which actually have new kernel, I believe that -- greatness awaits ---

But don't quote me on that, I am just putting together my experiences with assumptions.

 

[Loope]

Why you so butt hurt about my opinion?

So, asking for info is butthurt now? Ahahha. It is a tech thread isn't it? So, what is the resolution on these textures because you're the one stating an opinion (by your own words) as facts.
And people keep saying sony fanboys aren't the worse...

 

[Silent Viper]

XsX runs at a higher resolution and it struggles to maintain 60fps.

As stated in the video, they believe Xbox Series X version needs to have the DRS range lowered to improve frame-rate. Some of you guys fail to understand how balancing frame-rate and resolution works.

They can fix that in final game. Some of you need to understand that demo is not final game.

 

[BigLee74]

You are missing the elephant in the room, XSX with all the compromised graphics can't hold 60fps. So what is this VRS doing anyway if it only adds muddy graphics with no FPS boost?

There is no elephant in the room. If VRS only affects small non important portions of the screen, and pulls in a few FPS, it may be the difference between playable and not - without the need to drop resolution wholesale.

Ive already hypothesised on why the developers might feel it’s ok not hitting 60fps in this demo. Note that I don’t necessarily agree with this, I’d rather the res was dropped to hit 60.

Has anybody played the XSX version, are the drops noticeable?

 

[DForce]

They can fix that in final game. Some of you need to understand that demo is not final game.

You don't understand that the likely cause of the frame-rate dips is because it's running at higher resolution.

I don't what you guys get out of being completely dishonest. lol

 

[M1chl]

Lower settings? You mean this:

PS5

XSX

Enjoy your gimped graphics at a slightly higher resolution in a choppy fps.

 

[jroc74]

I am curious...honest question:

How many people in this thread are planning on buying the game? I am in on Day One (PS5 version, for the Plat, despite playing a lot of the demo on my PC).



Yeah, and additionally the XsX hits 60 fps in numerous games. I am not sure where the "has XsX hit 60 fps in ANY game" question came from. Listing them all would get redundant.

I just posted about this. I'm playing the hell out of Dirt 5 right now, another game that was scrutinized in comparison threads. This looks fun too.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Why can't people just accept sometimes each console does something better than the other. XsX has higher resolution, PS5 has more stable FR. It's pretty simple.

Yet, instead of just being happy with that, people have to downplay whatever advantage the other side has.

Also, anytime Xbox has any advantage of any sort, the same handful of people engage in the same painfully insecure hyperspin cycle of damage control:

Step One: Cherry picked/straight up doctored "comparison pics" from Fanboy Twitter (*cough* Joe Miller *cough*)
Step Two: Geometry Engine is God, Geometry Engine > The Universe
Step Three: VRS Bad! VRS BAD!
Step Four: VRR Bad! VRR BAD!
Step Five: Pull some batshit crazy, completely irrelevant What About-ism tidbit from a prior analysis.
Step Six: Make straight up inaccurate statements or misleading FUD disguised as questions (for example, "has Series X hit 60 fps ONCE?")

All of our plastic boxes are gonna be okay. Just breathe. No need to get insecure when each one has an advantage over the other in a given game. Hell, this is just the damn demo.

A DEMO.

 

[M1chl]

Why can't people just accept sometimes each console does something better than the other. XsX has higher resolution, PS5 has more stable FR. It's pretty simple.

Yet, instead of just being happy with that, people have to downplay whatever advantage the other side has.

Also, anytime Xbox has any advantage of any sort, the same handful of people engage in the same painfully insecure hyperspin cycle of damage control:

Step One: Cherry picked/straight up doctored "comparison pics" from Fanboy Twitter (*cough* Joe Miller *cough*)
Step Two: Geometry Engine is God, Geometry Engine > The Universe
Step Three: VRS Bad! VRS BAD!
Step Four: VRR Bad! VRR BAD!
Step Five: Make straight up inaccurate statements or misleading FUD disguised as questions (for example, "has Series X hit 60 fps ONCE?")

All of our plastic boxes are gonna be okay. Just breathe. No need to get insecure when each one has an advantage over the other in a given game. Hell, this is just the damn demo.

A DEMO.

I am litterally shaking rn!
MS BAD
XSX TRASH we don't talk about XSS
Cerny magic aka Black Magic in works *
PS5 leads framerate wars with resolution lower that One X
REEEEEEE

*Truth revealed!

 

[NullZ3r0]

Is nobody going to talk about the difference in not only the colour from both PS5 and Series X but also the fact the PS5 version doesn't react to lighting that much compared to Series X, there is definatley stuff drawn back on the PS5 version.

Maybe the CPU was drawing too much power and they had to scale the GPU back.

 

[Concern]

Why can't people just accept sometimes each console does something better than the other. XsX has higher resolution, PS5 has more stable FR. It's pretty simple.

Yet, instead of just being happy with that, people have to downplay whatever advantage the other side has.

Also, anytime Xbox has any advantage of any sort, the same handful of people engage in the same painfully insecure hyperspin cycle of damage control:

Step One: Cherry picked/straight up doctored "comparison pics" from Fanboy Twitter (*cough* Joe Miller *cough*)
Step Two: Geometry Engine is God, Geometry Engine > The Universe
Step Three: VRS Bad! VRS BAD!
Step Four: VRR Bad! VRR BAD!
Step Five: Pull some batshit crazy, completely irrelevant What About-ism tidbit from a prior analysis.
Step Six: Make straight up inaccurate statements or misleading FUD disguised as questions (for example, "has Series X hit 60 fps ONCE?")

All of our plastic boxes are gonna be okay. Just breathe. No need to get insecure when each one has an advantage over the other in a given game. Hell, this is just the damn demo.

A DEMO.

Reminds of this. A bunch of people that have no idea what they're talking about trying to sound knowledgeable for their narrative's sake.

 

[quazy]

Why can't people just accept sometimes each console does something better than the other. XsX has higher resolution, PS5 has more stable FR. It's pretty simple.

Yet, instead of just being happy with that, people have to downplay whatever advantage the other side has.

Also, anytime Xbox has any advantage of any sort, the same handful of people engage in the same painfully insecure hyperspin cycle of damage control:

Step One: Cherry picked/straight up doctored "comparison pics" from Fanboy Twitter (*cough* Joe Miller *cough*)
Step Two: Geometry Engine is God, Geometry Engine > The Universe
Step Three: VRS Bad! VRS BAD!
Step Four: VRR Bad! VRR BAD!
Step Five: Make straight up inaccurate statements or misleading FUD disguised as questions (for example, "has Series X hit 60 fps ONCE?")

All of our plastic boxes are gonna be okay. Just breathe. No need to get insecure when each one has an advantage over the other in a given game. Hell, this is just the damn demo.

A DEMO.

Yeah I also find that so hilarious. I remember discussions of the previous generation where there were some real issues like fps going down from 30 to 20 or 60 to 40. Now suddenly we need excel sheets from vgtech to see differences of 58 to 59 avg fps and then celebrate like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Loxus]

So, asking for info is butthurt now? Ahahha. It is a tech thread isn't it? So, what is the resolution on these textures because you're the one stating an opinion (by your own words) as facts.
And people keep saying sony fanboys aren't the worse...

Bruh it's right in front of you,
PS5 is outperforming XBSX.
What do you not understand?

 

[Mr Moose]

Yeah I also find that so hilarious. I remember discussions of the previous generation where there were some real issues like fps going down from 30 to 20 or 60 to 40. Now suddenly we need excel sheets from vgtech to see differences of 58 to 59 avg fps and then celebrate like there's no tomorrow.

56.67 average with this demo.

 

[Riky]

Lower settings? You mean this:

PS5

XSX

Enjoy your gimped graphics at a slightly higher resolution in a choppy fps.

Higher resolutions with VRR are the way forward and things will get better and better as the RDNA2 features gear up, you can see they are even taking stuff like physics out of flags on PS5 in an attempt to keep up but still 1260p

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Higher resolutions with VRR are the way forward and things will get better and better as the RDNA2 features gear up, you can see they are even taking stuff like physics out of flags on PS5 in an attempt to keep up but still 1260p

Well, glad at least VRR isn't a drug, I think.

 

[Silent Viper]

You don't understand that the likely cause of the frame-rate dips is because it's running at higher resolution.

I don't what you guys get out of being completely dishonest. lol

And PS5 version runs better coz missing physics which affects frame rate and resolution less than One X.

SX resolution if dropped to One X or PS5 level should fix frame rate issues in final game.

 

[M1chl]

Well, glad at least VRR isn't a drug, I think.

I think that's it helluva drug, based on GAF. I turned that off on my CX, because it fucks the picture.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

There was no lie, it's a real time scene, ok not " gameplay" as such but real time. So when the PS5 bombs at 1800p with lower settings it's obvious it couldn't in no way handle 4k with higher settings.
1800p is becoming a theme just like 1440p was on the Pro, the GPU just isn't powerful enough for 4k gaming.

Well seeing as your core point was it drops in gameplay, which it doesn't, yes it clearly was not true.

But yes by all means stick to a 1 frame cutscene analysis. as we know both consoles have different strengths and drop in different places so a 1 frame analysis is clealry not ideal.

Its clear the sx is aiming at resolutions it cant handle, can only assume under instruction from Microsoft, why else would devs gimp performance like seen in this demo.

Again, if both were exactly the same res the performance would be very close with swings each way.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think that's it helluva drug, based on GAF. I turned that off on my CX, because it fucks the picture.

So it's not as great as Riky is making it be? Damn, and you have a top end TV with the most gaming features like Freesync Premium and G-Sync. Well, thanks for your unbiased feedback, I personally didn't experience VRR but gonna with my next purchase. Having constant stream of drops definitely won't make the experience good even when VRR is working at its best.

 

[M1chl]

So it's not as great as Riky is making it be? Damn, and you have a top end TV with the most gaming features like Freesync Premium and G-Sync. Well, thanks for your unbiased feedback, I personally didn't experience VRR but gonna with my next purchase. Having constant stream of drops definitely won't make the experience good even when VRR is working at its best.

No so far I am only promised some updates, which will fix it. I mean VRR on PC is awesome, however on OLED panel it's less than ideal.

Refer to this article:

LG Acknowledges OLED TV VRR Issues - But Can’t Promise A Quick Fix

They are definitely working on it, though

www.forbes.com

It's still amazing TV and thanks for free XSX ; )