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The RSX graphics chip in the PS3 had around 80% more raw power than the Xbox 360's...look how that turned out. The Xbox (Original) had ALOT more power than PS2...look how that turned out. Sony will push the PS4...but nobody else will.
To people saying Xbox One = WiiU....NO. This is a modern architecture with raw performance at 1.3TFLOPS + cloud off-load Vs WiiU's archaic architecture running 300-400 TFLOPS. They're not even close.
Also...apparently nobody is taking into account CPU.
Also, almost nothing is known about real world performance - ie. Direct X 11 (exclusive to the Xbox One) will allow many shortcuts to developers...it's apparently very powerful.
I just read elsewhere that some people are saying "there's strong evidence" the PS4's GPU uses SISD instructions while One's GPU uses SIMD.
Is something like that even possible?
Instead of 3 PS3 combined you suddenly only have 2. It does make a difference. The question is if the devs will make a difference. Multiplats could run in 60FPS on PS4 and only 30FPS on XBone for instance.Will 33% even be noticeably different? Feels like 33% isn't a big difference..
I guess they're talking about VLIW4 vs GCN, but I believe the X1 is confirmed (or very nearly confirmed) to be using GCN, just like the PS4.
The RSX graphics chip in the PS3 had around 80% more raw power than the Xbox 360's...look how that turned out. The Xbox (Original) had ALOT more power than PS2...look how that turned out. Sony will push the PS4...but nobody else will.
To people saying Xbox One = WiiU....NO. This is a modern architecture with raw performance at 1.3TFLOPS + cloud off-load Vs WiiU's archaic architecture running 300-400 TFLOPS. They're not even close.
Also...apparently nobody is taking into account CPU.
Also, almost nothing is known about real world performance - ie. Direct X 11 (exclusive to the Xbox One) will allow many shortcuts to developers...it's apparently very powerful.
Pro-tip.
If you don't want to look really stupid on the internet, don't post stuff like this.
Fucking jesus wept.
1.5 always rounds to 2 never 1
Will 33% even be noticeably different? Feels like 33% isn't a big difference..
Will 33% even be noticeably different? Feels like 33% isn't a big difference..
The RSX graphics chip in the PS3 had around 80% more raw power than the Xbox 360's...look how that turned out. The Xbox (Original) had ALOT more power than PS2...look how that turned out. Sony will push the PS4...but nobody else will.
To people saying Xbox One = WiiU....NO. This is a modern architecture with raw performance at 1.3TFLOPS + cloud off-load Vs WiiU's archaic architecture running 300-400 TFLOPS. They're not even close.
Also...apparently nobody is taking into account CPU.
Also, almost nothing is known about real world performance - ie. Direct X 11 (exclusive to the Xbox One) will allow many shortcuts to developers...it's apparently very powerful.
Will 33% even be noticeably different? Feels like 33% isn't a big difference..
Will 33% even be noticeably different? Feels like 33% isn't a big difference..
Also, almost nothing is known about real world performance - ie. Direct X 11 (exclusive to the Xbox One) will allow many shortcuts to developers...it's apparently very powerful.
To put it bluntly: Whatever the Xbone can do, the PS4 can do with ease and then some more. Ergo, the days of inferior ports are at an end.
The hd is not replaceable but an external hd has all the functions available. As in you can install and run games on it. Plug it in an extend storage.In other words, Sony got lucky GDDR5 production went smoothly (or they just took a big risk).
Will be interesting to see if Durango GPU will have boosted it's clockspeeds, as it's not confirmed yet. If it is, then performance gap with PS4 will not be as big. Although clock speeds can only do so much and it's very bad for power performance.
I personally doubt it will be anything else than the 1.2 TFLOPS as has been rumoured.
edit:
wat the actual fuck
Here we go:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=549
This shows the performance difference between the two card most similar in FLOPS to the PS4 and Xbone's APU. The Xbone equivalent will perform better than the actual console, due to the 7770 having GDDR5 rather than the much slower GDDR3 used in the console.
So 33%/50% (however you say it) difference does have noticeable differences even in a PC. In a console, where games are coded to the metal to max out the performance benefits, the differences will be greater.
For the games that do push the PS4, the difference over the Xbone should be pretty major.
Also the HD 7770 is clocked at 1GHz & pushing out 1.28TFLOPS a little over the Xbox One 1.23 TFLOPS while the HD 7850 is pushing out 1.76 TFLOPS a little less than the PS4's 1.84TFLOPS & the memory bandwidth is 153.6GB/s a little slower than the PS4 memory bandwidth.
Also the HD 7770 is clocked at 1GHz & pushing out 1.28TFLOPS a little over the Xbox One 1.23 TFLOPS while the HD 7850 is pushing out 1.76 TFLOPS a little less than the PS4's 1.84TFLOPS & the memory bandwidth is 153.6GB/s a little slower than the PS4 memory bandwidth.
Yeah, it's not perfect (doesn't factor in the more CPU cores available for PS4 games, the RAM size and bandwidth difference, the eDRAM etc), but it's a pretty good indication using actual metrics rather than guesses.
Point is, the PS4 has a non-trivial advantage over the Xbone. And unlike every prior gen, due to the PS4 and Xbone being based on the exact same architecture, it's not like the Xbone makes up for the differences in other areas. The PS4 is just the better box all round.
Here we go:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=549
This shows the performance difference between the two card most similar in FLOPS to the PS4 and Xbone's APU. The Xbone equivalent will perform better than the actual console, due to the 7770 having GDDR5 rather than the much slower GDDR3 used in the console.
So 33%/50% (however you say it) difference does have noticeable differences even in a PC. In a console, where games are coded to the metal to max out the performance benefits, the differences will be greater.
For the games that do push the PS4, the difference over the Xbone should be pretty major. GDDR5 aside, it has an extra ~700GFlops over the Xbone (that's like two WiiUs duct taped together, or two thirds of an Xbone).
PS4's GPU is actually closer to a 7870 minus the clock speed (which is rumoured to be going up anyway). At the very least, somewhere in between the 7850 and 7870.
Here's how the 7770 stacks up to the 7870. As you mentioned, the reality is the XO is using slower DDR3 ram compared to this GPU, and a slower core clock, but I believe has more ROP's.
7770 (est Xbox One) vs 7870 (est PS4)
The RSX graphics chip in the PS3 had around 80% more raw power than the Xbox 360's...look how that turned out.
The Xbox (Original) had ALOT more power than PS2...look how that turned out.
Good point.
The RSX graphics chip in the PS3 had around 80% more raw power than the Xbox 360's...look how that turned out.
Guess it's time for me to look like an idiot again...
You guys are also leaving out the fact that 10% of the gpu is reserved for the app OS. At least I think I recall that.
Edit: Speaking about the XBone.
7770 vs 7850 is a much better comparison.PS4's GPU is actually closer to a 7870 minus the clock speed (which is rumoured to be going up anyway). At the very least, somewhere in between the 7850 and 7870.
Here's how the 7770 stacks up to the 7870. As you mentioned, the reality is the XO is using slower DDR3 ram compared to this GPU, and a slower core clock, but I believe has more ROP's.
7770 (est Xbox One) vs 7870 (est PS4)
On average at 1080p, you're looking at almost double the frame rate for the PS4 equivalent, which makes me think a 720p vs 1080p, or 1080p 30fps vs 1080p 60fps difference, may actually be possible. At the very least there should be some evident graphical differences in multiplatform games unless shenanigans are afoot. Remember, architecturally they are extremely similar.
I've mentioned that already.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60301217&postcount=1176
Factoring in the 10% locked away from games on the Xbox, the PS4's GPU is ~60% more powerful. That's huge.
Welp. That about wraps it up for the Console wars.
Just to correct you on one thing SPE, you keep saying that the Xbox One uses GDDR3, but it actually uses DDR3 (a slower system usage variant).
XBone Vs. PS4 black and white facts :![]()
Oh, so just ignore the ESRAM on Xbox One? How silly. I wonder why I ever bother to read any of this stuff lol.
Oh, so just ignore the ESRAM on Xbox One? How silly. I wonder why I ever bother to read any of this stuff lol.