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Diablo 3 @ Blizzcon [Update: Information And Videos Added]
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Auto stat distribution, 7 skill limit... clearly this won't be the character building playground D2 was. Sure, most chars focused on very few skills in order to be efficient but for caster builds these 1 point prereqs combined with massive +skill level items greatly increased the weapon arsenal.
Damn.
Damn.
KAL2006 said:
Dual Crossbow is a pure John Woo/Hard Boiled tip of the hat. Dual Crossbow=Dual Pistols. :lol
I can see why they would want it but since the camera seems to be in a fixed perspective, WSAD just ain't needed. The controls from pervious Diablo games worked, no need to change the old point and click, click, click, click, click, click, click. :lol
Bitmap Frogs said:
Did you even see how awesome the variety gets with different runes used with your skills?
Check that out, it will have more variety alone than anything you could do with the stat distribution and the supporting skills where you only put 1 points and used the spell in question if you ran into an Immune miniboss/pack somwhere...
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
V_Arnold said:
Autostat distribution did a lot... mostly because some items meant for certain classes allowed new builds on others.
And it isn't just immunes... a staple of necro builds was 1 point on curses on top of whatever the main path was.
Odious Tea
Member
Have lost a lot of interest in a lot of games, unfortunately. But the wait for this is destroying me.
undu said:I want to know where this number comes from, for curiosity, because it looks too big, it wouldn't be the first company that advertises a humongous number to impress and it calculates it wrong
I think they are using the term build very loosely. Just because you slap some skills on the bar doesn't make it a viable build.
In Diablo 2 it felt like you had to choose a class and then a sub class. Some classes were more sub specific than others, but with the Amazon you could build two completely different types of Amazons that require different gear and plays totally different.V_Arnold said:
It seems like in Diablo 3 you can tune your class to be offensive or defensive and perhaps for pvp, but the feel and how the class plays will remain the same. This is probably better to maintain a solid class balance.
However you really feel locked in Diablo 2 when you run into a pack of double immunity shit that just happens to counter what you build does. I think the monsters in Diablo 3 will be less forgiving in that direction, but the new awesome runes system pretty much gives you the tools to defeat anything because you can fine tune the skills of your build to any immunity.
Fallout-NL
Member
Won said:
How meaningful are the differences though with a number like that?
Confidence Man
Member
Won said:
And Fallout 3 has 200 endings.
John_B said:
I do not really think that you will be locked into anything in D3, based on the Rune system.
Two wizards cannot really start a conversation of "hey, I pumped my skills into Spell X and Spell Y", because maybe one of them uses rune x on the first and y on the second, playing totally differently because of that (just see the AOE hydra vs the Fire Wall hydra or the "precision" lightning hydra, and the magic missile's strengths vs the aoe magic missile builds").
In Diablo 3, people with the same builds will play totally differently just because they use different runes with their spells.
The Lamonster
Member
Wow, this game is sounding great. Can't wait to get my hands on it.
Sword Familiar
178% of NeoGAF posters don't understand statistics
TheExodu5 said:
With your teeth.
FieryBalrog
Member
Bitmap Frogs said:
Given that stat distribution was 99% of the time 'pump STR to gear needs, then pump VIT to max', I don't really agree that it "did a lot".
I don't think it's out of line to be concerned with these changes. The game industry has a lousy track record when it comes to replacing very deep systems like pure stat distribution with something streamlined. More often than not it results in a less complicated and less fun gameplay system.
However, based on what's been shown, I think that traits+runes takes a giant, steaming dump on stat allocation.
However, based on what's been shown, I think that traits+runes takes a giant, steaming dump on stat allocation.
FieryBalrog
Member
Bitmap Frogs said:
If anything, it looks like there'll be more meaningful and real customization in D3 than there was in D2. Between runes, traits, skils and gear, there should be a ton of options.
The other thing is I played 5 different sorceresses to lvl 85+ in D2 and while I outfitted and customized each differently (mostly in skill choices) that was because each character only used like 2-3 skills for 90% of the game. When I went back in 2008 to level another character in D2 I found it got rather boring spamming Blizzard and Meteor constantly. I for one welcome our new Diablo 3 overlords.
Alone the separation of active and passive skills is pretty clever. The thing I hate most about talent/skill trees is the forcing of spending points on passive skills, that you might not want, to unlock active skills and vice versa.Draft said:
The trees are mixed like this because the developers don't want the players to spend all their points on either active or passive skills making the characters full of spells, but severely underbuffed or severely overbuffed, but without spells, either way totally broken characters.
The skill runes is also a huge improvement. You don't need to spend points on "backup" skills in case you run into some weird pack of elemental monsters, and because we can change the properties of the skills, the developers can focus on making 10 great and fun skills that can be adjusted to suit needs instead of trying to make 30 skills that covers everything.
These guys got in under control and Diablo 3 will be worthy of the series.
I don't know but the gameplay footage didn't look so good. Part of Diablo charm has always been constant enemy swarms, where dozens of enemies are attacking. The gameplay only shows couple of that kind of spots and more of stuff where there are only few enemies. Is it because of the engine limitations? I hope I am wrong and the full game is as much hack and slahs as Diablo 2.
charlequin
Banned
Draft said:
I agree with the concept here but I actually am generally pretty down on pure stat distribution systems. Lots of games have them but in almost every case there are either god stats and dump stats, or straightforward builds that rely on maxing one or two stats at the expense of all others. Diablo 2 and the Megaten games both fall victim to this; D&D avoids it (when it manages to) mostly by restricting how many stat points you can allocate, not by actually fixing the problem.
Skill/ability systems are almost always better for real customization (i.e. the option to create multiple distinct viable builds) IMO, and multiple overlapping customization options each are better. The trait/rune/charm system described upthread sounds ideal to me because it should open up a wide range of possible skillsets for each character and then let you pick passives that fit well with them.
dude said:
Why?
verbatimo said:
There are some older videos showing significantly more monsters on screen I think. Also they specifically mentioned a random event during the game where you could have 50 zombies pop out of the ground and attack at once, so I dont think there will be any issues with the amount of monsters.
cmonmanreally
Member
watching these panel videos only confirms to me that we probably won't see this game sooner than we would have liked. it just seems like a lot of mechanical concepts, like how they plan on handling the end game, have yet to be incorporated.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Played both PvP and PvE portions at Blizzcon.
So good. So so good.
The PvP was so incredibly fun.
It was me and a friend with a random dude vs 3 guys. We lost 9-7 but it was so fun. So much better than WoW Arena. We had a Wiz/Witch Doc/Barb combo on each time.
Wizard was the glass cannon that people tried going for.. But Witch Doctor felt like a rogue with pets and explosions. The Barb just tanked and ate a lot of dmg and kept drawing people in with stuns and his chain move (almost like Scorpion).
The Witch Doctor was able to stealth for 5 secs and run around and get out of binds.. Then they also had a bind themselves.. and a fear.
So much fun. We were down 9-6 with 10 secs left. Their team only had a Sorc left.. My Witch Doctors dogs chasing her down.. 2 seconds left.. we weren't going to get this last point.. then I just hit the explosion button for my dogs and I see her body flying and us scoring a point. Haha.
So good. So so good.
The PvP was so incredibly fun.
It was me and a friend with a random dude vs 3 guys. We lost 9-7 but it was so fun. So much better than WoW Arena. We had a Wiz/Witch Doc/Barb combo on each time.
Wizard was the glass cannon that people tried going for.. But Witch Doctor felt like a rogue with pets and explosions. The Barb just tanked and ate a lot of dmg and kept drawing people in with stuns and his chain move (almost like Scorpion).
The Witch Doctor was able to stealth for 5 secs and run around and get out of binds.. Then they also had a bind themselves.. and a fear.
So much fun. We were down 9-6 with 10 secs left. Their team only had a Sorc left.. My Witch Doctors dogs chasing her down.. 2 seconds left.. we weren't going to get this last point.. then I just hit the explosion button for my dogs and I see her body flying and us scoring a point. Haha.
Deadly said:
Hopefully we could get it out of the way by the time it arrives.
Yes, Blizzard will ban cheaters in the game.
Yes, it will not have cross-region play.
Yes, Blizzard will ban you for going online with modified clients.
And no, it wont have LAN.
It will still be just as awesome as SCII is
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Deadly said:
What? No surprise after SC2... nu Blizzard T_T
really? How many skills did you use at a time in D2? Torchlight? Titan Quest?dude said:
These games all should have a limit imo cause no one uses more than a few.
You also have to realize those are all active non of them are passives those are now called traits. Then add in that there are 5 different versions (leaving out rune levels) of each skill. Then further customization of what the skill is and does from the skill tree distribution thing.
V_Arnold said:Hopefully we could get it out of the way by the time it arrives.
Yes, Blizzard will ban cheaters in the game.
Yes, it will not have cross-region play.
Yes, Blizzard will ban you for going online with modified clients.
And no, it wont have LAN.
It will still be just as awesome as SCII is
+ Yes Australians/NZ/South East Asians will be able to go on two servers
(we can hope again)pieatorium
Member
Not sure why people are worried about the seven skill limit, in d2 you had at best 4-5 useful castable abilities. Shit even in WoW you would be lucky to use 7 abilities in an encounter and some of those would be cooldowns.