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Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Shadows - PS5/Series X/S Tech Review - A Big Visual Leap For the Series
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mansoor1980
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Killjoy-NL
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Night and day.Wow PS5 Pro makes base PS5 look like Series S lol. Apparently no PSSR in use. Running at same internal resolution and using same upscaling method as base.
viveks86
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Yeah it's quite the leap. But how does it compare to base quality mode? Are there any cutbacks like draw distance? And the resolution is good in performance mode? Sorry I have so many questionsWow PS5 Pro makes base PS5 look like Series S lol. Apparently no PSSR in use. Running at same internal resolution and using same upscaling method as base.
EDIT: No PSSR is... surprising. May be the overhead was too much that they couldn't get the resolution up
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DenchDeckard
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Watching this now.
You know. I always thought this gen was going to be the generation where consoles weren't going to feel like some interim powered system that introduces some new tech. I felt the ps4 / ps4 pro were basically just 30fps consoles that drove resolutions (1080p and then 4k). Ps5 was going sliver more 60fps titles and focus on performance which i think it has done really quite well.
We now have RTGI and it's a game changer. The world looks insane with it and old school lighting just doesn't come close. To deliver this at 30/40fps and is pretty damn impressive imo.
There's potential for ps5 pro to seriously deliver on its promise with this game. If it can deliver all of the above plus raytraced reflections at 60fps well, damn that will be awesome.
You know. I always thought this gen was going to be the generation where consoles weren't going to feel like some interim powered system that introduces some new tech. I felt the ps4 / ps4 pro were basically just 30fps consoles that drove resolutions (1080p and then 4k). Ps5 was going sliver more 60fps titles and focus on performance which i think it has done really quite well.
We now have RTGI and it's a game changer. The world looks insane with it and old school lighting just doesn't come close. To deliver this at 30/40fps and is pretty damn impressive imo.
There's potential for ps5 pro to seriously deliver on its promise with this game. If it can deliver all of the above plus raytraced reflections at 60fps well, damn that will be awesome.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah it's quite the leap. But how does it compare to base quality mode? Are there any cutbacks like draw distance? And what about PSSR? Any shadow artifacts with RTGI? And resolution is good in performance mode? Sorry I have so many questions
Some of your questions are answered in the same post
- No PSSR
- Same resolution as base console, just with RTGI where base Performance mode does not have RTGI
Other than that, the game seems to be using an LoD management system similar to Nanite, so it will be relatively pop-in free on all platforms.
Horseganador
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The difference in favor of PS5 Pro is massive in those images, we'll see the video tomorrow, no wonder DF is going to do the comparison separately...
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viveks86
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Yeah I edited my post. Got too excited looking at the pictures that I didn't read the text!Some of your questions are answered in the same post
- No PSSR
- Same resolution as base console, just with RTGI where base Performance mode does not have RTGI
Other than that, the game seems to be using an LoD management system similar to Nanite, so it will be relatively pop-in free on all platforms.
I asked about draw distance because gamersyde claimed that draw distance is cutback for performance mode on pro compared to quality.
sncvsrtoip
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nah they just want to milk algo and content from quite a big game, understandable
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viveks86
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He has early access to DF
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saintjules
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Wow PS5 Pro makes base PS5 look like Series S lol. Apparently no PSSR in use. Running at same internal resolution and using same upscaling method as base.
Is this the Pro Analysis by DF?
Watching now via Patreon. What a difference.
The Pro is making the base PS5 look like the Series S.
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saintjules
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Zuzu
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Unfortunately Ubisoft has stated that the Pro’s Balanced and Performance modes won’t get RT reflections. Only it’s Quality mode gets those. But the Pro’s Performance mode gets RTGI so it’ll still be a big step up from the base PS5’s Performance mode.
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viveks86
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In my defense, I only voted no because I didn't think it was a necessity for games. It should depend on the game and desired art style. But yeah, there are too many people dissing RT, when in the long run, it will be a rising tide that lifts all boats.But you still hear from people that it's a waste of time and resorces:
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darrylgorn
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Woof at this performance.
It's clear now that PS5 Pro is the only console I would consider.
Who the fuck wants to play this shit at lower than 60fps?
It's clear now that PS5 Pro is the only console I would consider.
Who the fuck wants to play this shit at lower than 60fps?
Bojji
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In open worlds? For sure. They have dynamic time of day, so RTGI is an obvious improvement. Im glad that Ubi was able to use it here.
Using RTGI in singleplayer, linear games such as Uncharted, for example, is simply idiotic. You can add the option, of course, and it will look better than baked, but not that much better as seen here. Like Alan Wake II, where it looks better, but slightly compared to the baked lighting.
Bottom line: as always, there's no such thing as one solution for all problems
Alan Wake is not a good example of "baked GI":
Alan Wake 2 PC: how demanding is it - and what hardware do you need?
The best settings for Alan Wake 2 on PC, focusing on rasterisation performance.
www.eurogamer.net
blastprocessor
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Wow PS5 Pro makes base PS5 look like Series S lol. Apparently no PSSR in use. Running at same internal resolution and using same upscaling method as base.
Do we know the resolution difference in performance mode? Nice upgrade by Ubisoft for PS5 Pro performance mode.
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Topher
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generational difference? where? The color is a bit different....RTGI provides a generational difference and Series S simply doesn't belong.
Overall gi is great yeah. But not these shots lol.
saintjules
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Gaiff
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So similar resolution, but maybe a tad lower on the Pro. I suppose the RTGI is consuming the whole extra GPU power.Internal resolution on light scenes. Still watching.
Was hoping for a higher resolution, but RTGI+1440p is a tall order, even for a good PC.
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viveks86
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No wonder 40 fps is being the recommended mode. Gonna look pretty soft at 60
Heisenberg007
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Looks like a pretty solid game tech and features-wise.
Now, I hope it is not overtly bloated and repetitive like most modern AC games.
Now, I hope it is not overtly bloated and repetitive like most modern AC games.
saintjules
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Yup, Oliver mentions that most of the GPU power is getting eaten by the RTGI.
Heisenberg007
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Someone in my local group mentioned that they are playing 1440p (DLSS) + max ultra + full RT. They have a 5080 though. Looked gorgeous in the posted screens.
SweetTooth
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That's means PRO version runs wonderfully and they don't want to show it in the main comparisons. If it was flipped they will be screaming PRO problems in this video.. lol
Typical DF stuff.
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The resolution is the same (even slightly lower in Pro) in the different modes, and PSSR is not used. Ultimately, the difference between versions is more in performance mode, where RTGI is used in Pro, hence the difference in captures.
In general, PSPro performance mode = 40fps mode on PS5/XSX .
A wise use of the extra power (~15-20fps here) in Pro.
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Lethal01
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Internal resolution in light scenes. Still watching.
Got link?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Internal resolution in light scenes. Still watching.
PS5 Performance mode is a beast.
Only up for paying subscribers right now, general release probably tomorrow morning.
Fbh
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Yeah you are right. I had just seen some comparisons showing Pro has RTGI in the performance mode too, but I hadn't read the resolution is equally bad on it.
Seems like a game worth checking out on Ps6 when it's free on Ps+.
saintjules
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Not sure if it will work, but sent a PM.
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Gaiff
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Yeah, not surprising whatsoever. The base consoles fps needs to be chopped by 1/3 or 1/2 to run it. Does the Pro still have the nicer hair?
saintjules
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ChiefDada
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Actually, no. The same assets are being used so the "colors" are the same. What you are referring to as color difference is actually lighting/light bounce behavior being more realistic in one vs the other. It's a significant difference.
Gaiff
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I meant the Performance Mode on the Pro. Sorry for not claryfing.
40fps mode on PS5/XSX works with the same RT but at a higher average resolution than performance mode on PS5 Pro.
About 15-20fps difference is what RTGI would require here.
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HeWhoWalks
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I'd say so. If we want to actually move forward, it is. Now, "on console not named the PS5 Pro" is another discussion, but on PC? I see little reason to skip it.
saintjules
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I'm not immediately finding any comment about the hair. I looked around in the perf mode section of the video. Nothing mentioned. I'll re-watch it again later to see.
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mckmas8808
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I'm not immediately finding any comment about the hair. I looked around in the perf mode section of the video. Nothing mentioned. I'll re-watch it again later to see.
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This is UNBELIVABLE!!!
TheRedRiders
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Wow!I'm not immediately finding any comment about the hair. I looked around in the perf mode section of the video. Nothing mentioned. I'll re-watch it again later to see.
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Skifi28
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Looks like even the pro is using the ugly ass hair in its performance mode. That's very disappointing as I thought it made a huge difference.Wow PS5 Pro makes base PS5 look like Series S lol. Apparently no PSSR in use. Running at same internal resolution and using same upscaling method as base.
I think a problem with some people is that they associate ray tracing with just rt reflections, and not rt gi.But you still hear from people that it's a waste of time and resorces:
This is why DF are so brilliant, they show you how game changing something like rt gi is, Vs raster gi.
Watch the half life 2 full path trace video, or their cyberpunk extreme video and then tell me ray tracing is not needed.
It's one area I'm envious of you pc boys about, and I just hope ps6 can do some full ray traced stuff.
Dr. Wilkinson
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The ray-traced lighting looks so freaking good on Series X I’m gonna have to go with the 30 fps mode. I don’t normally like to do that. Damn this game looks good. Way better than I was expecting. I haven’t really been following it. Feudal Japan? Hell yeah.
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