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Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth PC Review: It's OK... But There Are Issues
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Let me guess, UE4 traversal stutters strike again?
Mr Hyde
Member
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Because there is no japanese word for "optimization".
mansoor1980
Member
not the port it was hyped up to be
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Notice how DF doesn't really want to compare a PC heads up to the PS5 Pro so instead they'll compare "PC Settings" to compare visuals.
Once you actually look at the performance disparities and technical issues plaguing PC, you start to see that you get way more bang for your buck with a PS5 Pro and it isn't even close.
Once you actually look at the performance disparities and technical issues plaguing PC, you start to see that you get way more bang for your buck with a PS5 Pro and it isn't even close.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
What PC is my point.
The advantage that PC users gets? Which PC users? All of them? Obviously not.
It would be very easy for DF to say, we're comparing this PC build against PS5 Pro, which allows for viewers to get a sense of what your money is buying you, but they won't do it... why?
They even say that they PC experience is not the same and that it's pretty bad on mid CPU mid GPU builds, but they seem deathly afraid to say the PS5 Pro version is the much better version to play even if you spend considerably more money on a PC.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They label exactly what PC, CPU, resolution etc when they're outlining the performance portions.
When comparing the visuals, they just label DLAA + Max Settings, cause it's just comparing visual quality, not performance. Any GPU that can reach those metrics would be the same results.
We're just splitting hairs and being ultra-nitpicky for no reason now, come on.
Mr Moose
Member
The fuck? Poor AMD.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
You're misunderstanding the fundamental problem with DF.
People don't play still images. Resolution and image quality don't matter if you're not having a conversation about frame rate at the same time.
DF deliberately splits the conversations in two and removes PS5 Pro from the performance conversation completely.
What do max visual settings accomplish if your framerate is less than what the PS5 Pro is delivering?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
A 2025 game shipping without any FSR support out of the box is just fucking bizarre.
XeSS I can understand since its a lot more niche, but FSR is universally adopted.
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Mr Moose
Member
I completely forgot about Intel GPUs lol.
T4keD0wN
Member
Seems to me most of those issues are caused by them using a 4060 8gb with high textures and a zen2 cpu which were still awful.
My experience is pretty different than what theyve shown, although i did mod in frame generation which appears to completely solve the stutter on my end. I do have an issue where the game looks way too sharp with DLAA and it messes up vegetation and water reflections in one specific location, although that might be caused by the new dlss4 model, havent tested the one that ships with the game at all.
My experience is pretty different than what theyve shown, although i did mod in frame generation which appears to completely solve the stutter on my end. I do have an issue where the game looks way too sharp with DLAA and it messes up vegetation and water reflections in one specific location, although that might be caused by the new dlss4 model, havent tested the one that ships with the game at all.
You can get 120fps on PC, more if you use t.MaxFPS=0
omegasc
Member
Isn't FF7Rebirth (PS5) using UE4's temporal AA?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think you're right, I thought I read DF mention FSR in their PS5 coverage but I scanned it and it doesn't say that.
joeygreco1985
Member
The biggest oversight is that the in-game FPS cap has uneven frame pacing, which is probably what the general public is looking at as traversal stutter. Forcing your own cap via RTSS cleans it right up
Buggy Loop
Member
Ninja Gaiden 2 black for me is butter smooth though. The shader compilation at the beginning is legit on this one.
SweetTooth
Banned
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Itchy Tickles
Member
Didn't take long for the anti PC brigade to come out with their dumb takes thinking a badly optimised game is because PC sucks and not the devs, but anyway.
Didn't the first game have issues like this, too? Thought i remember seeing comments and stories about it (maybe even mods of some description to help). It's still crazy to me they had the nerve to charge £70 for the first part.
Didn't the first game have issues like this, too? Thought i remember seeing comments and stories about it (maybe even mods of some description to help). It's still crazy to me they had the nerve to charge £70 for the first part.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Nah, it's shader compilation. Traversal stutters are minimal.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
only if you are using an old CPU. in this video he used a ryzen 3600 to show stutter.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Please, GTFO with your silly takes.
Did we get a visual comparison of what 1080P DLAA looks like compared to the PS5 Pro? No, we didn't. We got a comparison to 2160P Max...
Once again proving my point...
Idleyes
Gold Member
That’s ridiculous. You’re not getting a naked Tifa in your party on the PS5 Pro. Move along.
Del_X
Member
Yeah let me go drop $700 to play one game brb
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
One game?
Insanemaelstrom
Member
One of the reasons why I am getting the pc version even with my average gaming pc. Plus with Sony porting games to pc, it is the perfect time to invest in pc gaming( well part of the reason is Sony exclusives( but it mainly affects my decision to not buy a potential ps6) main reason to transition to pc is the recent ( and future Outlook) of excellent base building and rts games on pc)
Horseganador
Member
The PC has some visual improvements but those stutters...it's a problem that PS5 pro doesn't have.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
violence
Member
I’m mainly a pc gamer, but I can see people liking console and the lack of time spent tweaking shit.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
only on OLD CPUS
Is the PS5 cpu better than the 3600? It's older than the 3600.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
I think its close but its not running windows in the background or any of that PC bs overhead either.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
MikeM
Member
I like the water better on Pro though.You can easily see how low poly a lot of objects are in the ps5pro version.
The PC version has some bugs it seems though. The water has a big issue. I hope it fixed very soon.
Lethal01
Member
What? no, they specically talk about how impressed they were by the near total lack of traversay stutter
Lethal01
Member
Theys said that this is the only area where the water looks glitched like this.
DF often mentions cpu and gpu used during performance tests but then compare to a console with fixed features and fixed price.
Wouldn't it be good to see DF include the cost of the comparison pc used. This way making it clear what your money gets you or if the difference is worth the additional price like you said.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ehh ... asking DF to include PRICES of components is just bizarre ..
Idleyes
Gold Member
Cut him some slack. I remember what it was like being broke, every penny counts, especially the ones you don’t have. It’s not unreasonable to consider the price of entry. That’s the whole appeal of consoles: they’re affordable, easy for developers to work with, and mostly bug-free. Plus, when something does go wrong, you just complain a little, and someone else fixes it. Nothing wrong with that! At the end of the day, they get to enjoy gaming just as much as I do.
Me, on the other hand? I can afford to throw an absurd amount of money at a PC. But I also use it for other things, video editing, recording music (shoutout to my overpriced Adobe subscription), and working from home. It even makes me money (not sure if you can do that on a console… never tried). But none of that matters to someone who just wants to play games, and I totally get it.
Me, on the other hand? I can afford to throw an absurd amount of money at a PC. But I also use it for other things, video editing, recording music (shoutout to my overpriced Adobe subscription), and working from home. It even makes me money (not sure if you can do that on a console… never tried). But none of that matters to someone who just wants to play games, and I totally get it.
