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[K' Dash]

I'll be sure to play this first as soon a I get my Pro next week, buying the FFVII Bundle and BlackOps 6.

It's going to be a nice end of year

Im enjoying those last gasps of life from hardcore Xbox fans..soon they will fade out like Xbox

Funny how people want Xbox to disappear, Sony without another presence will for sure fuck over their fanbase.

 

[Rick Dangerous]

I'll be sure to play this first as soon a I get my Pro next week, buying the FFVII Bundle and BlackOps 6.

It's going to be a nice end of year



Funny how people want Xbox to disappear, Sony without another presence will for sure fuck over their fanbase.

Actually, i have nothing against Xbox. Competition is fine and Sony has a bad tendency to screw us when competition is weak. . But I have a huge issue with MS. This company is real cancer, stiffling competition, etc. I Deal with them businesswise and they are so freaking awful, it's staggering. I just don't want them in the living room. They should have been dismantled long ago. And byiing up their way to success by acquiring editors ? no way i support that shit.

 

[K' Dash]

Actually, i have nothing against Xbox. Competition is fine and Sony has a bad tendency to screw us when competition is weak. . But I have a huge issue with MS. This company is real cancer, stiffling competition, etc. I Deal with them businesswise and they are so freaking awful, it's staggering. I just don't want them in the living room. They should have been dismantled long ago. And byiing up their way to success by acquiring editors ? no way i support that shit.

You're describing every single corpo out there, please lets not act like Sony dont pay people to promote their products and services, it's really naive to think these behaviors are exclusive to MS.

it's valid to say that you just don't like the company or their products.

 

[diffusionx]

so bizarre that people are focusing on base resolution with PSSR, like talk about missing the fucking point.

 

[Team Andromeda]

You are again talking nonsense with stupid sentences without any argumentation and even didn't respond to my previous post (but how could you? againg fighting against reality?).

If you're going to insult people and complain about stupid sentences. Please , have the dignity to type decent English

Grid has better AI than sophy? Man, I want what you are smoking.

Also, nice defense for forza, you should know ms has ended it's ambassador program.

I don't smoke boss and I don't get why I need to play with Sophy when GRID has better AI as soon as you play the game .

Great FORZA ambassador I'll make too,... when I'm saying GRID Legends is a better racing game than either FORZA or GT 7 *rolleyes*

Ones got to laugh at the GT fanboys ....

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Funny how people want Xbox to disappear, Sony without another presence will for sure fuck over their fanbase.

Yes, because Xbox has been a formidable opponent.

 

[MikeM]

Man playing GT7 in 120fps and having wildly good image quality blows my mind. A legit PC experience.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Man playing GT7 in 120fps and having wildly good image quality blows my mind. A legit PC experience.

Yeah, getting a new VRR monitor today and it's one of the first things I'm buying with it (sold my disc version).

 

[K' Dash]

Yes, because Xbox has been a formidable opponent.

Probably MS said the same in 2007 when they were curb stomping Sony to hell and back... but Sony woke up and ended up second place. The sole presence of competition maintains them in check and underestimating MS is incredibly stupid, they could turn things around at any moment. They probably won't, but the possibility keeps them on their toes.

 

[Calverz]

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[HeWhoWalks]

Probably MS said the same in 2007 when they were curb stomping Sony to hell and back... but Sony woke up and ended up second place. The sole presence of competition maintains them in check and underestimating MS is incredibly stupid, they could turn things around at any moment. They probably won't, but the possibility keeps them on their toes.

Sony had to help Microsoft even stand a chance. A $399 PS3 would have done what other PlayStations did to Xbox — utterly manhandle it like it was a blow-up doll. The only real curb stomping is happening now and happened two times before it.

Besides, if the possibility "keeps them on their toes", then the bitching about a $700 machine makes even less sense. They pose no threat to PlayStation anymore and it's time to stop living in denial. Their games are coming to the competition's platform(s), the towel is thrown in.

 

[PandaOk]

You're describing every single corpo out there, please lets not act like Sony dont pay people to promote their products and services, it's really naive to think these behaviors are exclusive to MS.

it's valid to say that you just don't like the company or their products.

You’re applying a false equivalency. Megacorps are not all interchangeable. Microsoft is far larger and far more awful in how they attempt to compete and what they would mean for everyone.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Only it is and a hell of a lot more dynamic than gt7

Great FORZA ambassador I'll make too,... when I'm saying GRID Legends is a better racing game than either FORZA or GT 7 *rolleyes*

Ones got to laugh at the GT fanboys ....

You really do smoke some serious stuff, enough that it seems to be giving you memory loss.

As for grid being better, again stop smoking man, not good for your health.

I wonder by what metric do you think grid's AI is better than sophy AI in gt7?

Heck, even ignoring AI, gt7 demolishes grid in every other aspect. Reason enough that grid horribly flopped in comparison when they decided to release near gt7. Physics, car mechanics, tracks, realism, dynamic weather, dynamic time of day, car models, physics, number of cars, number of tracks, content, quality of content, etc.

 

[K' Dash]

Sony had to help Microsoft even stand a chance. A $399 PS3 would have done what other PlayStations did to Xbox — utterly manhandle it like it was a blow-up doll. The only real curb stomping is happening now and happened two times before it.

Besides, if the possibility "keeps them on their toes", then the bitching about a $700 machine makes even less sense. They pose no threat to PlayStation anymore and it's time to stop living in denial. Their games are coming to the competition's platform(s), the towel is thrown in.

you're probably too young to remember the PS3 situation, it was dire and there were tons of memes about PS4 having no games. Not only Sony woke up, but at that same moment MS gave up and started focusing on stupid shit like Kinect and TV.

But yeah, you had to be there to see how bad it was for Sony, even with 360s RRODing MS was dominating. That humbled Sony and thats how we got the incredible PS4.

 

[DJ12]

Funny how people want Xbox to disappear, Sony without another presence will for sure fuck over their fanbase.

Yeah, spot on.

Thanks to Microsoft, Sony were forced to sell the ps5 at a $200 loss per unit.

Oh wait ...

 

[Team Andromeda]

You really do smoke some serious stuff, enough that it seems to be giving you memory loss.

As for grid being better, again stop smoking man, not good for your health.

I wonder by what metric do you think grid's AI is better than sophy AI in gt7?

Heck, even ignoring AI, gt7 demolishes grid in every other aspect. Reason enough that grid horribly flopped in comparison when they decided to release near gt7. Physics, car mechanics, tracks, realism, dynamic weather, dynamic time of day, car models, physics, number of cars, number of tracks, content, quality of content, etc.

Given I was born with a hole in the heart and had to have major open heart surgery at the age of 10. No... I've never looked to smoke

Now looking over your insults and also having my doubts you've even bought GRID, much less FORZA.

In simple terms, the AI in GRID outbreak themselves where you expect someone to outbreak themselves, the AI fights and takes each other out and also looks to remember you, if you take them out or cut then up.

All in all.. much more fun and more realistic than the AI in FORZA or GT 7 IMO

Oh and Codemasters Force feed back support is far superior too.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

you're probably too young to remember the PS3 situation, it was dire and there were tons of memes about PS4 having no games. Not only Sony woke up, but at that same moment MS gave up and started focusing on stupid shit like Kinect and TV.

But yeah, you had to be there to see how bad it was for Sony, even with 360s RRODing MS was dominating. That humbled Sony and thats how we got the incredible PS4.

I’m probably too young? Um, I was born in 81, champ…

With that irrelevance out of the way, I saw how bad it was. All of their own doing. Microsoft simply capitalized on it.

That won’t be happening again because they, Microsoft, literally got their asses handed to them so bad the past two gens, they had to pivot their strategy, which now includes bringing their games to PlayStation. Doesn’t take a GenXer to see the writing on the wall.

 

[PandaOk]

I’m probably too young? Um, I was born in 81, champ…

With that irrelevance out of the way, I saw how bad it was. All of their own doing. Microsoft simply capitalized on it.

That won’t be happening again because they, Microsoft, literally got their asses handed to them so bad the past two gens, they had to pivot their strategy, which now includes bringing their games to PlayStation. Doesn’t take a GenXer to see the writing on the wall.

Should also be pointed out Xbox almost quit the business entirely after the Xbox One. Silver tongue snake Phil convinced the higher ups to keep going. Considering what a good position Xbox was still in post Xbox One that speaks volumes to how far Microsoft viewed where they were from what they deemed a success.

Shame they didn’t leave honestly.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I don't get why I need to play with Sophy when GRID has better AI as soon as you play the game .

Because Sophy is one of the best AI models you race against (aka as soon as you play the game)?

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Given I was born with a hole in the heart and had to have major open heart surgery at the age of 10. No... I've never looked to smoke

Now looking over your insults and also having my doubts you've even bought GRID, much less FORZA.

In simple terms, the AI in GRID outbreak themselves where you expect someone to outbreak themselves, the AI fights and takes each other out and also looks to remember you, if you take them out or cut then up.

All in all.. much more fun and more realistic than the AI in FORZA or GT 7 IMO

Oh and Codemasters Force feed back support is far superior too.

Damn dude. I was also born with a hole in my heart, but luckily it was small enough that it closed itself without any major surgery. Hope you are doing well.

You do know that even the basic AI in gt7 does that, right? What makes sophy special is that they are not following a set path or artificially driving faster or slower. They have the same car and are actually driving it as you do. They react to your movements, try to set traps, pull switchbacks, etc just like a real human being. Sophy AI is the closest you can get to driving against other players( atleast ones who don't punt you out to meet Barry R.) in single player. It's that advanced, there is no bullshit rubberbanding or things like that. It is pure skill.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Damn dude. I was also born with a hole in my heart, but luckily it was small enough that it closed itself without any major surgery. Hope you are doing well.

You do know that even the basic AI in gt7 does that, right? What makes sophy special is that they are not following a set path or artificially driving faster or slower. They have the same car and are actually driving it as you do. They react to your movements, try to set traps, pull switchbacks, etc just like a real human being. Sophy AI is the closest you can get to driving against other players( atleast ones who don't punt you out to meet Barry R.) in single player. It's that advanced, there is no bullshit rubberbanding or things like that. It is pure skill.

Look I was being a bit of a nob after a sh8t day at work and drinking in a Pub and went off on one (should have left the phone in the house) , but I wasn't able to have my Atrial septal defect surgery until the age of 10: always being too weak and other complications meant my surgery was put off until it reached the point of it was now or never. I don't smoke, I just drink loads . Hope yours is all fixed like mine was.

I don't find anything special about GT 7 AI for most of the racing it can be very boring and I don't see AI cars talking to each other or making mistakes as much as in other races, I feel FORZA does it better but both pale to GRID: Legends. Not only does GRID do all that better, but it also leaves on track pieces of bodywork or senary from crashes, that you also have to react to. Just makes the racing so much more fun and keeps you on your toes far more.. There more stuff happing and more stuff to react too

Codemasters have always been good at this since they really set the Gold standard for racing AI with TOCA World Tour on the PS1.

Because Sophy is one of the best AI models you race against (aka as soon as you play the game)?

You still miss the point. That GRID AI is for all the tracks and AI opponents not just for a special part of a game.

 

[april6e]

It would be nice if Sony hurried up and released the demo they teased before the holiday sales end...

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Look I was being a bit of a nob after a sh8t day at work and drinking in a Pub and went off on one (should have left the phone in the house) , but I wasn't able to have my Atrial septal defect surgery until the age of 10: always being too weak and other complications meant my surgery was put off until it reached the point of it was now or never. I don't smoke, I just drink loads . Hope yours is all fixed like mine was.

I don't find anything special about GT 7 AI for most of the racing it can be very boring and I don't see AI cars talking to each other or making mistakes as much as in other races, I feel FORZA does it better but both pale to GRID: Legends. Not only does GRID do all that better, but it also leaves on track pieces of bodywork or senary from crashes, that you also have to react to. Just makes the racing so much more fun and keeps you on your toes far more.. There more stuff happing and more stuff to react too

Codemasters have always been good at this since they really set the Gold standard for racing AI with TOCA World Tour on the PS1.

You still miss the point. That GRID AI is for all the tracks and AI opponents not just for a special part of a game.

Luckily the hole wasn't big enough in my case and according to the doctor healed itself when I was pretty young.

The normal AI does make mistakes but it is rare than grid, Sophy AI is more natural but the skillet of the AI is close to actual racing drivers, so mistakes are even more rare, especially where they crash or stuff like that. Gt as a game is not oriented towards that, it is about pure racing with realistic physics will keeping it accessible and that's it. Kind of like how you don't have spectacular crash animation or physics in ms flight simulator 2020. That's not the type of game it is. Same with forza.

If you want crashes you are better off playing wreckfest or BeanMG. They are far more realistic than grid.

The issue with grid is that it is trying to be kth a simulator and a m arcade racer. It ended up accomplishing neither and honestly suffered critically and financially due to it( not to mention launching near gt7). If you want arcade, there are far better games, if you want simulators there are still far better games.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

so bizarre that people are focusing on base resolution with PSSR, like talk about missing the fucking point.

Because it has a huge effect on the image quality believe it or not

 

[Team Andromeda]

Luckily the hole wasn't big enough in my case and according to the doctor healed itself when I was pretty young.

The normal AI does make mistakes but it is rare than grid, Sophy AI is more natural but the skillet of the AI is close to actual racing drivers, so mistakes are even more rare, especially where they crash or stuff like that. Gt as a game is not oriented towards that, it is about pure racing with realistic physics will keeping it accessible and that's it. Kind of like how you don't have spectacular crash animation or physics in ms flight simulator 2020. That's not the type of game it is. Same with forza.

If you want crashes you are better off playing wreckfest or BeanMG. They are far more realistic than grid.

The issue with grid is that it is trying to be kth a simulator and a m arcade racer. It ended up accomplishing neither and honestly suffered critically and financially due to it( not to mention launching near gt7). If you want arcade, there are far better games, if you want simulators there are still far better games.

The team at the Heath Hospital Cardiff (Wales) told Mum they wanted me to have the surgery at the age of 3 but I was always ill with colds, chest infections even chicken pox at one point until it reached the stage at the age of 10 that unless I had the surgery I wasn't going to live long and so had it done and nver looked back or needed any follow up.

I don't agree with you AI sorry, but I have Wreckfest but never owned BeanMG. Not a big fan of Wreckfest tbh and just like what Codemasters did with GRID: Legends and also the Force feedback in that game along with Codemasters F1 2024 is 2nd to none a. They're a class about the rest in that regard though I find the AI in F12024 not the best.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Sorry for the bump, but as a cockpit view driver, do I have to turn off the 120hz option (and enable PSSR) in order to get RT in the cockpit? It's kind of confusing the way it's presented in this analysis.

 

[Markio128]

Sorry for the bump, but as a cockpit view driver, do I have to turn off the 120hz option (and enable PSSR) in order to get RT in the cockpit? It's kind of confusing the way it's presented in this analysis.

I think in-cockpit RT only works with PSSR enabled, so yeah.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I think in-cockpit RT only works with PSSR enabled, so yeah.

Do I have to disable the 120hz option, though?

 

[Markio128]

Do I have to disable the 120hz option, though?

I don’t have access to the 120hz option, so I couldn’t tell you for sure, but from what I remember from the DF video, in-cockpit RT only works in standard PSSR mode.