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[Spukc]

I see 30fps and suddenly all that tech is meaningless

For the love of God 1440p 60fps please

Or no RT for better frame rate option

i want to see RT reflections in eyes

 

[Hendrick's]

If a launch lineup event with GT7, Horizon2, Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, and fucking Demons Souls Remake finally! it's next gen being screwed then praise be the sun for this screwed next gen.

Edit: that's all first party games ffs, have people forgotten ps4 launch lineup!?

What are you smoking? None of those except that Spiderman standalone DLC is dated for launch.

 

[01011001]

If a launch lineup event with GT7, Horizon2, Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, and fucking Demons Souls Remake finally! it's next gen being screwed then praise be the sun for this screwed next gen.

Edit: that's all first party games ffs, have people forgotten ps4 launch lineup!?

not a single game you mentioned is announced for launch.

even Spiderman only got a vague holiday 2020 (or was it fall?)... and that's basically a stand alone add-on

my bet is on launch they'll have that Sackboy game and Playroom, with Spider-Man coming a few weeks after launch

 

[Xplainin]

So the amount of 30fps games is no longer a problem?
If so many games are only targeting 30fps this early on, as graphical quality increases throughout the generation, 30fps is going to be everywhere.
I expected better to be honest.

 

[Fake]

they are whenever the narrative fits for Sony fanboys.
and when they are praising Sony they will gladly take their word as gospel.

they were among the people that always stood by the github leaks as being real, and back then that obviously didn't sit well with Sony fans, so they were declared Xbox fanboys partly because of that.
even tho, anyone who wasn't blinded by fanboyism knew the leaks would be very close to the final hardware

To be honest, I find super funny people praising Github for 'almost' hit this specs. 'I was wrong, but pretty close'. Some stupid beyond any level. Unless PS5 devkit already had a RDNA 2.0 with is impossible because AMD don't even release a RDNA 2.0 while showing RDNA 1.0 and lets not forget because of that particular part people are spreanding like PS5 would come with RDNA 1.0 instead of 2.0, can't be that close. Probable 13TF of GCN for matching the final 10TF. Imagine being a previous gen with less TF after sending a devkit for a dev team? No problems at all after all those differences, right?

 

[Psykodad]

RT really don't affect perfomance at all, right?

I dunno. No idea what how RT affect anything performance-wise. Lol
As long as games don't drop below 30fps, devs can do whatever they want.
Of R&C is anything to go by, they can even push everything more and go for CB rendering.

But that's just me though.

 

[Andodalf]

/s

Ive been had

 

[Fake]

I dunno. No idea what how RT affect anything performance-wise. Lol
As long as games don't drop below 30fps, devs can do whatever they want.
Of R&C is anything to go by, they can even puah everything more and go for CB rendering.

But that's just me though.

Was a sarcasm. Will be probably a perfomance factor just based on how taxing RT have being on PC. And is on the video, R&C is native 4K (someone from DF pixel count), 30 fps with RT.

 

[kyoji]

Because they aren't getting praised in comparison test.

PS fans hated them during the PS3 era because it always came in last and digital foundry didn't buy into the "lazy developers" nonsense
PS fans loved them this generation because the PS4 was top dog and they had another year of EXTRA dominance against Xbox when the Pro Launched
PS hate them again because since the X1 launched games have looked better and playstation is again, second place, and DF seems to want better graphics than a 2 frame advantage when they can have both with X1

2nd place you say? As dr. disrespect would say welcome to the champions club

 

[01011001]

To be honest, I find super funny people praising Github for 'almost' hit this specs. 'I was wrong, but pretty close'. Some stupid beyond any level. Unless PS5 devkit already had a RDNA 2.0 with is impossible because AMD don't even release a RDNA 2.0 while showing RDNA 1.0 and lets not forget because of that particular part people are spreanding like PS5 would come with RDNA 1.0 instead of 2.0, can't be that close. Probable 13TF of GCN for matching the final 10TF. Imagine being a previous gen with less TF after sending a devkit for a dev team? No problems at all after all those differences, right?

the github data was 100% correct.
only the first version was confirmed RDNA1, every iteration after that that was found did not have any info on Architecture versions.

also RDNA1 and RDNA2 are not that different from eachother. RDNA2 is an evolution not a revolution.

the only difference between the initial github leak and the final hardware is the jump to RDNA2 and a slight upclock that isn't even stable.

and since the leaks told us that the same chip was still in active development and didn't get any major changes, it was absolutely with no doubt clear to anyone who wasn't a fanboy, that the system would use a chip that will be very much like the leak but maybe with slight alterations, and the end product is exactly that

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

Clicked dat video As Balla As Possible!

D dark10x

 

[INC]

i want to see RT reflections in eyes

I'm happy for all my characters eyes to look dead, if it means a better frame rate (plus it can be creepily sexy too............)

 

[Fake]

the github data was 100% correct.

Even if they had said 7TF somehow they put a little bit of truth in the end.
You can believe in whatever you want dude. They got wrong numbers, but somehow close to the final specs. Nothing wrong with that, just don't expect people to believe is 100% right, if you want to believe sure, but was not 100%.

 

[Psykodad]

Was a sarcasm. Will be probably a perfomance factor just based on how taxing RT have being on PC. And is on the video, R&C is native 4K (someone from DF pixel count), 30 fps with RT.

Yeah, I got that.
Was just saying that I'm fine with RT @30fps. But I've always been fine with 30fps.

It’s just funny to have read all the discussions about how lacking and bottlenecked PS5 supposedly is with it's GPU and tflops and then seeing stuff like R&C and Horizon 2.

 

[Fake]

Yeah, I got that.
Was just saying that I'm fine with RT @30fps. But I've always been fine with 30fps.

It’s just funny to have read all the discussions about how lacking and bottlenecked PS5 supposedly is with it's GPU and tflops and then seeing stuff like R&C and Horizon 2.

No problem. I not a huge fan of RT. If I could choise, probably disable RT for pushing 60 fps if possible.

 

[01011001]

Even if they had said 7TF somehow they put a little bit of truth in the end.
You can believe in whatever you want dude. They got wrong numbers, but somehow close to the final specs. Nothing wrong with that, just don't expect people to believe is 100% right, if you want to believe sure, but was not 100%.

the github leaks had the system at 9.2TF, where the fuck do you get that 7 from?

and if it would use the clock speeds of the leak it would be a 9.2TF system
but they pushed it up, just like Microsoft did with the Xbox One only a few months from launch.

that's not a big change, that's literally something I can do with the press of my left mouse button on my PC.

the leak depicted the specs of the final hardware very closely.
I admit that noone actually thought they would be crazy enough to push the clocks that high, but even back then many thought they would push it near 10TF through an overclock

 

[Fake]

the github leaks had the system at 9.2TF, where the fuck do you get that 7 from?

and if it would use the clock speeds of the leak it would be a 9.2TF system
but they pushed it up, just like Microsoft did with the Xbox One only a few months from launch.

that's not a big change, that's literally something I can do with the press of my left mouse button on my PC.

the leak depicted the specs of the final hardware very closely.
I admit that noone actually thought they would be crazy enough to push the clocks that high, but even back then many thought they would push it near 10TF through an overclock

Did you think about it all alone? Why bring github to a DF thread anyway? Just for you know if you're expecting me to say github is 100% you're losing your time. Just move on to the thread subject.

 

[SidViscous]

The digital foundry team must be glad next gen is finally kicking off, those PS4 and Xbox one comparisons were getting very predictable.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Seems thats going to be the difference this Gen. PS5 is the 4K/30 box and Series X is the 4K/60 box.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Most of the games were native 4k, i would have thought they would have went with VRS. Man that stream did not do these games justice, they look so much better in 4k!

 

[Andodalf]

Seems thats going to be the difference this Gen. PS5 is the 4K/30 box and Series X is the 4K/60 box.

While I think MS will Continue to target 60 for the first party, 3rd party won’t shift their target by platform

 

[01011001]

Did you think about it all alone? Why bring github to a DF thread anyway?

the fuck is that supposed to mean?
that's literally 100% the truth

are you trying to do some revisionist history here?
the github leak had the 48CUs running at 2GHZ, which would give it 9.2TF
if the PS5 would run at 2ghz it would have 9.2TF, that's not even debatable in any way, so I'm very confused here

 

[Yoboman]

I dont get why they are watching the 30 FPS 1080p stream and then spend the whole time complaining about it being 1080p 30 FPS and they're not sure what the resolutions and frame rate actually are? Maybe use the direct source stuff

 

[Fake]

the fuck is that supposed to mean?
that's literally 100% the truth

are you trying to do some revisionist history here?
the github leak had the 48CUs running at 2GHZ, which would give it 9.2TF
if the PS5 would run at 2ghz it would have 9.2TF, that's not even debatable in any way, so I'm very confused here

Here, a place you can discuss that. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next-gen-ps5-xsx-ot-speculation-analysis-leaks-thread.1480978/

I dont get why they are watching the 30 FPS 1080p stream and then spend the whole time complaining about it being 1080p 30 FPS and they're not sure what the resolutions and frame rate actually are? Maybe use the direct source stuff

As much I hate this aspect, they (Digital Foundry) have a valid point. They're making a video about the conference, so is fair to complain about the quality.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Same, what a relief. I did expect it would be able to, but it’s so ugly when vertical imo. It actually looks quite acceptable to me when laid flat.

Doubt it will survive the all important wobble test tho

I am in the camp of its ugly on its side but beautiful when vertical. Im OCD as F though and its too damn asymmetrical when laid flat IMO.

 

[Andodalf]

I dont get why they are watching the 30 FPS 1080p stream and then spend the whole time complaining about it being 1080p 30 FPS and they're not sure what the resolutions and frame rate actually are? Maybe use the direct source stuff

Did you watch? They give framerate and pixel count for most games, and all that aren’t standard. They just complain how it didn’t show how great it was live.

 

[01011001]

Here, a place you can discuss that. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next-gen-ps5-xsx-ot-speculation-analysis-leaks-thread.1480978/

good, just dodge after being exposed being either woefully uninformed on what went down, or trying to push a lie...

and the topic came up because someone mention how funny it is that people call DF Xbox fanboys but as soon as they praise Sony it's all 100% true what they say and all's good

 

[Rentahamster]

I dont get why they are watching the 30 FPS 1080p stream and then spend the whole time complaining about it being 1080p 30 FPS and they're not sure what the resolutions and frame rate actually are? Maybe use the direct source stuff

Because the stream is what they are commenting on.

And, they do add in their additional resolution and frame rate details.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Yeah keep repeating it in as many threads you can, maybe you will eventually convince yourself.

I mean i consider myself pretty unbiased and i thought it was a spectacular reveal as well. What people need to keep in context is what the industry has done for past console reveals. Objectively, this has been one of the best ever, which in today's world of chaos and what not is pretty remarkable.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Only Spiderman is a launch game, from what i understand.

We are still in June! There will be other events to show gameplay, give dates, and launch lineup is not necessarily first day lineup.
But i was talking about the event, in response to you saying it was shite and next gen is screwed if that's a good show... don't see what the dates have to do with the subject.
For comparison in the PS4 event, the first party was Killzone, Knack and Drive Clube that only came out almost a year after.

What are you smoking? None of those except that Spiderman standalone DLC is dated for launch.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

they are whenever the narrative fits for Sony fanboys.
and when they are praising Sony they will gladly take their word as gospel.

they were among the people that always stood by the github leaks as being real, and back then that obviously didn't sit well with Sony fans, so they were declared Xbox fanboys partly because of that.
even tho, anyone who wasn't blinded by fanboyism knew the leaks would be very close to the final hardware

This can be said for both camps and its ridiculous to strawman to take attention away or to downplay a successful reveal.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

One point they raised which I never considered, buy the digital only version and you are losing Blu-Ray movie playback and crucially, if we get it, back compatibility with previous PS gens.

Hmmm.

Another great point is it funnels you towards only getting games on PSN which can be pretty pricey for older games. I really like the look of the all digital but might get the disc based version for this reason only.

 

[Nicktendo_]

Not interested in getting a PS5 but, man, that intro was incredible

Props, DF.

Stay Ballin’

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Funny, because reading some of the tech-wizards on gaf, PS5 shouldn't be able to pull off stuff like R&C at native 4K.

Lots of crow will be eaten over the course of the gen, even during the first year.

To me so far it seems there are three areas of resource contention 4k, 60FPS and raytracing. With PS5 you get to pick 2 out of 3.

 

[mekes]

I am in the camp of its ugly on its side but beautiful when vertical. Im OCD as F though and its too damn asymmetrical when laid flat IMO.

I think for me I just find the disc drive space far too obtrusive when standing. Especially given the rest of the design. The design has really caught me off guard tho, not what I was expecting at all! Im slowly warming to it.

 

[Fake]

One point they raised which I never considered, buy the digital only version and you are losing Blu-Ray movie playback and crucially, if we get it, back compatibility with previous PS gens.

Hmmm.

That is a possibility because this means more money for Sony. Reselling stuff you can't run because you get the all digital version.

 

[FStubbs]

2nd place you say? As dr. disrespect would say welcome to the champions club

To be fair, they didn't get a trophy for PS3.

 

[Andodalf]

To me so far it seems there are three areas of resource contention 4k, 60FPS and raytracing. With PS5 you get to pick 2 out of 3.

Eh, there will be games at 4K 30 with no RT, and games at 4K 60 with it, like GT

 

[Die Namek Ability]

I think for me I just find the disc drive space far too obtrusive when standing. Especially given the rest of the design. The design has really caught me off guard tho, not what I was expecting at all! Im slowly warming to it.

I wish the design was just the digital version with a disc slot in the middle somewhere lol. That little hump does distract quite a bit. Overall build quality like nice though. It really seems like an expensive piece of hardware in a goodway. At the end of the day if it can hit 4k with solid frame rates like the video suggests all while being cool and quite its a win in my book.

 

[Kerlurk]

Gaming Discussion

Video game news, industry analysis, sales figures, deals, impressions, reviews, and discussions of everything in the medium, covering all platforms, genres, and territories.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Leonidas]

takeaways so far:

Ratchet & Clank 4K native/30fps with RT
Godfall is Native 4K/60fps but RT seems absent now.
Horizon was Native 4K/30fps

Ouch, sad to see that Godfall, the only one also appearing on PC, is the only one that runs decently.

Hoping Horizon 2 makes it to PC. 30 FPS is abysmal.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

I mean i consider myself pretty unbiased and i thought it was a spectacular reveal as well. What people need to keep in context is what the industry has done for past console reveals. Objectively, this has been one of the best ever, which in today's world of chaos and what not is pretty remarkable.

Objectively?

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Seems thats going to be the difference this Gen. PS5 is the 4K/30 box and Series X is the 4K/60 box.

I really dont think X series X will hit 60 FPS in a game that PS5 can only do 30 all else being equal. The systems are too close in power for that kind of result.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Objectively?

Ok ill bite, what CONSOLE reveals have been better objectively?

 

[SidViscous]

The assumed Rachet and Horizon were 30 fps.

They assumed that the system is so ventilated, because they think that it's over-clocked, but they have no ideal on what new node the chip is being manufactured on, and what clocks it can sustain. Also, we don't know how well RDNA scales with clock. Their assumption is based on RDNA1 over-clocks.

There already is a rumored "AMD Ryzen 7 4700G" with a GPU clock speed of 2.1 GHz, which is far higher than any other prior AMD GPU and that is most likely on an older VEGA GPU architecture.

Very poor reporting in this thread, stating their assumptions as fact.

Sony are not very forthcoming so I don't see the problem, if anybody is educated enough to speculate on these matters it's the digital foundry team, and they framed it all as speculative and didn't deliver it in a clickbait way imo.

Hearing them debate the possible ray tracing techniques was pretty awesome, they know their shit.

 

[Kerlurk]

Gaming Discussion

Video game news, industry analysis, sales figures, deals, impressions, reviews, and discussions of everything in the medium, covering all platforms, genres, and territories.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Andodalf]

Ok ill bite, what CONSOLE reveals have been better objectively?

PS4.

 

[ethomaz]

the github data was 100% correct.
only the first version was confirmed RDNA1, every iteration after that that was found did not have any info on Architecture versions.

also RDNA1 and RDNA2 are not that different from eachother. RDNA2 is an evolution not a revolution.

the only difference between the initial github leak and the final hardware is the jump to RDNA2 and a slight upclock that isn't even stable.

and since the leaks told us that the same chip was still in active development and didn't get any major changes, it was absolutely with no doubt clear to anyone who wasn't a fanboy, that the system would use a chip that will be very much like the leak but maybe with slight alterations, and the end product is exactly that

It was not... it was more wrong than right btw.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

PS4.

This crushed the PS4 reveal. I dont think it was even close.

Ratchet >>>>>knack
Horizon 2 >>>> KZSF
GT7 >>> Drive Club
Returnal >> resogun
Spiderman >> Infamous
Demon Souls = Bloodborn
Sackboy/LBP >>>>>>.....
Destruction Allstars >>>>>>.....
All games minor filler >>>>>>>> PR speak

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Ouch, sad to see that Godfall, the only one also appearing on PC, is the only one that runs decently.

Hoping Horizon 2 makes it to PC. 30 FPS is abysmal.

How them xbox games running?