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[Digital Foundry] Silent Hill 2 Remake on PS5 Pro: A Mixed Bag of an Update... And PSSR Has Issues
Senua
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There is not a single mention of anything Pro in any of the notes.
Maybe a default firmware version of PSSR was enabled, but definitely not a trained patch that mentions any enhancements they did.
1.05 was over 3 weeks ago and was a hotfix for the save bug from 1.04 which was more than a month ago with no Pro anything.
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
PSSR and it's ancestor FSR are mediocre. They both are decent when you have a high input resolution. At low resolutions they shit the bed.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There were PSSR code snippets in the game even at launch, I gotta imagine every game after a certain release date has some kind of PSSR stuff built into it and won't require additional patches, probably after their internal September 16th(?)(?) cut-off.
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The easy solution for issues like this is to allow people a "Base" mode so people can play like it was an OG PS5, but they didn't do that on PS4 Pro and I don't think that's gonna happen this time either.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Which tells me basic support strings. Not anything optimized or worked on, which even XeSS and DLSS performs better when trained by devs specifically for their games.
They just enabled it at firmware level, they did not work a lick on it. They need to do an official patch.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I see Phil’s check cashed this week.
saintjules
Gold Member
As a reminder:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And there it is.
Topher
Identifies as young
Would help if the devs would use the same resolution as quality mode and PSSR to achieve 60fps as was intended.
Topher
Identifies as young
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Most Pro updates went live around that same time. Not on Day of PS5 Pro launch.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They didn't touch on it in the video, but it doesn't look like the PS5 Pro's Performance mode retains the extra visual effects, lighting and shadows etc from the Quality mode.
That was the bigger reason some folks, including myself, chose the Quality mode. The Performance mode stripped out a bunch of it.
That was the bigger reason some folks, including myself, chose the Quality mode. The Performance mode stripped out a bunch of it.
Negotiator101
Member
Negotiator101
Member
It's Bloober, if it improves it will be marginal.As expected this was the next game they would cover to complete the coverage of the botched updates
The update is broken and Bloober has already acknowledged they're working on it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Mr Moose
Member
Are they shit with updates?
sncvsrtoip
Member
Terrible pssr results + they had to lower resolution in quality mode from 1224-1620p dynamic to static 1080p Just drop pssr and increase internal res when it introduce so much artifacts. Have to say ps5pro may be the worst hw + software combo in sony history.
Just drop pssr and increase internal res when it introduce so much artifacts. Have to say ps5pro may be the worst hw + software combo in sony history.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Negotiator101
Member
Their technical incompetence is well documented.Are they shit with updates?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
you dont want them to cover games?As expected this was the next game they would cover to complete the coverage of the botched updates
The update is broken and Bloober has already acknowledged they're working on it.
should they only cover games that have great PS5 Pro patches? how does that make sense?
if anything their initial coverage shouldve included these games. it was way too positive because they didnt cover any of these bad ports. Jedi Survivor, AW2, Dragon Age, Dragons Dogma 2, Star wars outlaws and now SH2. All of these games shouldve been in the first 2 hour review of the Pro. I think only Dragons Dogma was covered.
They need to giggle less and cover more games going in fucking 2 hour videos forward.
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DryvBy
Gold Member
Yeah, I manually patch my games (some games are broken due to patches so I wait) and SH2 is def this. I can't wait for them to iron all of this junk out because SH2 has been the most glaring thing I've played that looks bad with PSSR.
Topher
Identifies as young
As expected this was the next game they would cover to complete the coverage of the botched updates
The update is broken and Bloober has already acknowledged they're working on it.
Broken games should get more coverage than games that don't need as much attention. I get that some are using this as ammunition to dismiss Pro and PSSR entirely, but that doesn't mean DF is doing anything wrong in pointing out issues like these.
omegasc
Member
DeepEnigma
I mean DF. They sometimes contact devs to know more and I think they already did something with Bloober? It would clear out some thingedit: then again Sony probably asked devs to not comment on PSSR releases, as that other dev that spoke about UE versions mentioned he could not say how many PSSR versions Sony released.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Watching the video. Literally the opening area of the game, the very beginning of the game is showing insane flickering and shimmering. First AW2 then Jedi now this. Did they not replay the game at all? It's the first shot of the game.
All they wouldve had to do is start the game and skip the first cutscene and they would see this shimmering mess. There is no excuse here. These devs should all be fired. Clearly the QA guy, the programmer, nor the project manager didnt bother checking the very first scene in the game.
Good God. These are the devs who should be getting laid off. Clearly they are not working.
All they wouldve had to do is start the game and skip the first cutscene and they would see this shimmering mess. There is no excuse here. These devs should all be fired. Clearly the QA guy, the programmer, nor the project manager didnt bother checking the very first scene in the game.
Good God. These are the devs who should be getting laid off. Clearly they are not working.
How do you go from 1620p on the pro stay mostly in the upper bound on disc version and down to 1080p version and the clarity/sharpness look comparable on the fidelity mode? That is a gigantic resolution cut.
Is DF counting the correct pixel here? PSSR some kinda super clarity/detail upscaler?
Is DF counting the correct pixel here? PSSR some kinda super clarity/detail upscaler?
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SmokSmog
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Pro stands for Compromises.
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HeWhoWalks
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OverHeat
« generous god »
SweetTooth
Get in here and praise PSSR!!!They need to cover everything and it's good if they put pressure on developers that have released bad updates so things can change.
But it's also clear that these obvious choices where they're focusing on a sequence of bad patches that are an absolute minority do not send a balanced message, they're creating food for trolls and haters and it's deliberate because they know it generates a lot of clicks.
So both points are true.
In the end I totally dont care about DF, I hope that these few games that do not work well on the Pro can be fixed.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
minority? SH2, Jedi Survivor, Dragon's Dogma 2, Dragon Age, Outlaws, AW2 are not a minority. it's a pattern.
Zathalus
Member
It’s using what appears to be one of the lower quality versions of TSR being used to upscale to 4K, which is not much better then basic TAAU. The benefit is extremely low overhead for TSR in that mode.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We should be glad they stuck with TSR instead of FSR2 like some UE5 built games have done, since TSR is still more expensive than FSR2.
Topher
Identifies as young
Controversy is going to get the coverage first. That's just a general rule of journalism.
What are the issues with those? Played both and had no issues myself. Actually, I have more issues with flickering with DD2 on PC with DLSS that I don't see on PS5 Pro. I mentioned this day one that I had Pro and did some comparisons.
Luipadre
Gold Member
Doesnt matter when the image is sharper than the previous mode. The issue here is the flickering on reflections and shadows.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Then there’s Ratchet, Spider-Man, both Last of Us, both Horizons, Lords of the Fallen, etc.
His point is there should be a balance in reporting these things, and while I agree with you, I agree with him as well. Guess what? The games with poor implementations of PSSR have taken center stage here. It’s called controversy and it works.
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There are dozens of improved games either through patches or through game boosting with frame rate and DRS benefits, the system offers a significantly improved experience over the base model in a lot of games.
There is no pattern at all.
Some developers didn't even have the time to test their patches otherwise Bloober shouldn't have released such update at all and some things can be rough because it's early days. That is really all.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Same shimmering issues we are seeing here. PSSR cannot resolve RTGI or foliage with RTAO. At least not in those low resolutions. DF had footage for this.
omegasc
Member
As a former QA, the quality of the released code is not representative of the work they do.
Team Andromeda
Member
The PS 5 Pro is turning out to be an utter disappointment and I paid £700 for the pleasure.
owandeseis
Member
People "surprised" DF is covering the heaviest games and the ones that ran poorly on the base PS5, which is what literally everybody wanted to see just 1 month ago when Sony was showing TLOU 2 and Horizon.
Good thing Bloober is already working on it, hopefully Remedy's doing the same
Good thing Bloober is already working on it, hopefully Remedy's doing the same
XXL
Member
Do you have a PS5 Pro?