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[IllegalLemon]

Why do people hate this?

Gee, why would people hate a component that acts like a rootkit, and embeds itself as close to Ring0 of system privileges as possible? Which it needs, in order to monitor the install and see if it's a pirated copy.

But, since some are so into that, why not also give the rootkit complete backdoor system access, since it's one step away from getting to that point? Not only does denuvo do this, it also hogs and mows down system resources to do so, drastically reducing game performance and puts system security at risk. No way am I letting garbage like that take root in my system.

 

[hemo memo]

Why do people hate this?

Maybe because it:
Hurts game performance?
Requires online checks, making games unplayable if servers go down?
Wears down SSDs faster with excessive reads/writes?
Makes game preservation harder?
Doesn't fully stop piracy, but hurts paying players?

 

[MiguelItUp]

Of course it will, Eternal did as well. It'll probably be cracked day 1.

This thing really doesn't surprise me anymore, I mean, Denuvo sucks because of how much it messes with the application, but until something bigger and better comes along we're just gonna keep seeing it. It's just funny to me because it seems like the biggest waste of time especially since the public cracks it so quickly, lol.

 

[darth.shrimp]

Of course it will, Eternal did as well. It'll probably be cracked day 1.

Let's see, overpriced latest entry in a very popular game series. Not sure about day one, but probably very early.

 

[Unknown?]

It provides absolutely nothing of value to the consumer while frequently making the experience worse than it should be for legitimate customers/players.

The reason so many games didn't even release on PC in the 2000s is because of piracy though. Without this you might see publishers deciding to not even release a PC version.

 

[RoboFu]

It sucks but it's not without reason.

People suck, they always want something for nothing. Even people here talk about pirating games when throw tantrums.

 

[zeroluck]

It is gonna be a great game, might actually cause some butthurt to all the anti-denuvo weirdos.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Indiana Jones also had Denuvo pre-release so that reviewers do not leak the game



At release it did not have Denuvo. So are we sure this is just not Bethesda's control on pre-release? Seems like peoples are taking a leap of logic here.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Let's see, overpriced latest entry in a very popular game series. Not sure about day one, but probably very early.

Fair, I just swore there was a newer AAA game that was cracked recently in a day or so. Semantics, regardless, it'll be cracked ASAP as it always is, lol.

 

[adamsapple]

Indiana Jones also had Denuvo pre-release so that reviewers do not leak the game



At release it did not have Denuvo. So are we sure this is just not Bethesda's control on pre-release? Seems like peoples are taking a leap of logic here.

I think this probably will, ID's last games have all launched with Denuvo.

(Eternal, Doom 2016, Rage 2 even)

 

[Kacho]

It sucks but it's not without reason.

People suck, they always want something for nothing. Even people here talk about pirating games when throw tantrums.

“How dare they treat us like pirates. Oh my Switch roms finished downloading. Time to load them on my Steam Deck.”

 

[TintoConCasera]

Always heard denuvo only hurts performance on low-end systems, guess I was wrong.

In any case Eternal ran smooth as a baby's ass on release, so I'd expect the same here.

 

[Ozriel]

Of course it will, Eternal did as well. It'll probably be cracked day 1.

This thing really doesn't surprise me anymore, I mean, Denuvo sucks because of how much it messes with the application, but until something bigger and better comes along we're just gonna keep seeing it. It's just funny to me because it seems like the biggest waste of time especially since the public cracks it so quickly, lol.

Fair, I just swore there was a newer AAA game that was cracked recently in a day or so. Semantics, regardless, it'll be cracked ASAP as it always is, lol.

Don’t bet on it. Recent Denuvo games are very difficult to crack. There’s a reason Black Myth Wukong and Final Fantasy 16 are yet to be pirated. Mortal kombat 1 from 2023 remains uncracked.

Denuvo is pretty effective at stopping piracy these days.

 

[Kacho]

In any case Eternal ran smooth as a baby's ass on release, so I'd expect the same here.

Yep. Non issue.

 

[Hudo]

Why do people hate this?

Maybe because it:
Hurts game performance?
Requires online checks, making games unplayable if servers go down?
Wears down SSDs faster with excessive reads/writes?
Makes game preservation harder?
Doesn't fully stop piracy, but hurts paying players?

And it also requires kernel-level access, which feels really, really sketchy for anything that isn't part of the OS (imho).

 

[proandrad]

Hard pass on pc then, maybe I’ll buy it in a year when they remove it.

 

[Stuart360]

I'll play on Gamepass and buy it on Steam in the future when this shit is removed.

Bit dissapointed in MS here as they have built up decent goodwill with PC users with the lack of Denuvo in their PC games.
I gues MS really do let Bethesda run themselves like the rumours suggested.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Wears down SSDs faster with excessive reads/writes?

Writes??

And it also requires kernel-level access, which feels really, really sketchy for anything that isn't part of the OS (imho).

I don't think so as it doesn't request adm privileges.

 

[genesisblock]

The reason so many games didn't even release on PC in the 2000s is because of piracy though. Without this you might see publishers deciding to not even release a PC version.

Did you just wake up from your slumber in 2004 mate? This is where Steam dropped in and pretty much solved the problem of PC-dying-because-of-piracy-arguments. Without.. Denuvo

 

[Stuart360]

Did you just wake up from your slumber in 2004 mate? This is where Steam dropped in and pretty much solved the problem of PC-dying-because-of-piracy-arguments. Without.. Denuvo

Pretty sure pc software sales are bigger than all the consoles combined too, or that was the case a couple of years ago anyway.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Don’t bet on it. Recent Denuvo games are very difficult to crack. There’s a reason Black Myth Wukong and Final Fantasy 16 are yet to be pirated. Mortal kombat 1 from 2023 remains uncracked.

Denuvo is pretty effective at stopping piracy these days.

I wonder how much of that is people just not caring about MK1, lmao.

 

[Hudo]

Writes??


I don't think so as it doesn't request adm privileges.

Then they have changed it at some point? Or I am confusing it with their anti-cheat bullshit.

 

[GHG]

Might well get this for my PS5 Pro and then get it again on Steam a later date on sale once it's removed.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Might well get this for my PS5 Pro and then get it again on Steam a later date on sale once it's removed.

my man

 

[adamsapple]

Might well get this for my PS5 Pro and then get it again on Steam a later date on sale once it's removed.

 

[MagusMajul]

pathetic

 

[rodrigolfp]

Then they have changed it at some point? Or I am confusing it with their anti-cheat bullshit.

Some anti-cheats do. Denuvo anti-tamper itself doesn't.

 

[Hudo]

Some anti-cheats do. Denuvo anti-tamper itself doesn't.

You are right. I have actually misremembered it: https://irdeto.com/blog/denuvo-anti...-a-windows-kernel-mode-driver-in-our-solution

 

[Soodanim]

i guess the smiley face didn't give it away that I was unsuccessfully trying to be funny. But the point is this DRM causes performance issues, which is ironic because it pushes people to buy better GPU's to get the best possible performance. The last I remember the company itself dismisses any notion their DRM does anything to performance. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. But the anti-piracy techniques, makes honest gamers pay - always has.

I do agree ID usually makes good products and if anyone can make it barely noticable it's them.

Personally I think they should go back to code wheels and doc checks. People feel the same way about intrusive anti-cheat software, where does it end?

Once again me attempting to be funny and probably failing again.

Ha no worries, hard to tell the jokes from the real thing sometimes when the crazies come out to play.

Denuvo definitely claim all the time that there are no performances drops and I've seen people say the tests were skewed (drops related to other things), but I've also seen plenty of people say performance is boosted when Denuvo is patched out which is hard to deny.

But yeah, no matter which way you look at it customers get shafted by DRM one way or another.

 

[rkofan87]

that is 2ls forced rt now this.

 

[rkofan87]

Why do people hate this?

it makes the game run like shit.

 

[JayK47]

If they use lube, I am ok with this.

 

[rkofan87]

I’m not sure what people expect. Software piracy is a thing, so companies have an incentive to pay for services that help to combat that.

This will continue until the cost of the service is more than the revenue it generates. Blame the pirates if this reality upsets you.

Or I guess try to convince a large audience of paying customers to boycott a freaking doom game. I wish you the best of luck with that.

well denuvo needs too fix it so the games do not run like shit if they did that pc gamers will stop bitching,

 

[Spiral1407]

The reason so many games didn't even release on PC in the 2000s is because of piracy though. Without this you might see publishers deciding to not even release a PC version.

I'd say that's more down to contemporary console architecture being completely different to PCs than just piracy. Some of the PS2 to PC conversions were shockingly bad because of this.

 

[Griffon]

 

[Chuck Berry]

They should call it Doomuvo

 

[SeasonedInTheAbyss]

It's ok. After Eternal I know it's a $5 sale buy at best.

 

[cyberheater]

They don't. Denuvo offers a console version of its protection but not a single developer or publisher used it.

Thanks.

 

[spons]

People are getting console versions of these games because of Denuvo? Those walled-garden boxes with zero privacy? Where every button press is potentially logged to a server somewhere? Come on dude. PC is the lesser evil, even with DRM (which indeed sucks).

 

[samoilaaa]

Let's see, overpriced latest entry in a very popular game series. Not sure about day one, but probably very early.

there is nobody left that can pirate denuvo