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[clarky]

I can't name a single space game that looks like it, to say it's generic is odd to me.

You think a 3rd person action game featuring laser swords is original?

Like I said I need to see more before I get excited.

 

[Raven117]

Of course, there we go. ND and Druckmann are rather transparent. They get no benefit of the doubt from anyone. To say that this character design wasn't deliberate is being foolish. That said, it's a creative endeavor and they're free to create whatever the hell they want, but the market will also respond accordingly.

Once again, pretending that those characters they've been giving us the past few years aren't the result of modern trends is taking us for fools.


Here we go again with people playing dumb lmao.

Yup. It’s definitely on purpose. They can pull it off if it’s well written with complex and interesting stories.

More often than not (as you know) when companies do this, it falls flat.

That said ND hasn’t screwed it up yet. (Like or hate TLoU2, it’s complex and not simple characters).

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I remember a few years ago on that... other site, a lot of those in that community were demanding gamers' play as the female in that AC game. Lot's of developers are there, and since then they seem to have received their marching orders from the activist communities of "who's who" out there. Yep, people are sick of being told how and who they should play.

If the game is good, then great, I'll buy it used and enjoy it, but as long as their people are telling us it's not for us, or giving us the finger, calling us incels, saying we have no talent etc. then they'll not have any of my support.

 

[InterMusketeer]

With development taking longer and release schedules drying up, each individual release comes with a lot of expectations. When those expectations are not met, there's gonna be backlash. Add to that ND's position as Sony's finest studio, and the divisive shift in their content, and it's the perfect mix to get people invested and riled up. This is hardly surprising.

 

[mckmas8808]

It's the market readjusting itself. We'll see how much Druckmann's decision to go full steam ahead with "modern audiences" pays off in the long run.

That's because you think they are making a game for the "modern audiences".

 

[March Climber]

There are now 15 threads

Made within the last 30 days about Intergalactic and Druckmann/ND.

 

[Markio128]

I watched the trailer twice and I can't say anything else really stood out. Maybe the game will be great, but I could only feel indifference from what the showed me. They've been praising the game and saying it's going to redefine gaming etc. and this is what they choose to show? Why not try to get people a little excited?

I thought it was a good first trailer for a game tbh. We know it has a retro 80’s sci-fi vibe going on, and that we’ll be looking for someone lost on a planet that nobody has ever escaped from. ND can literally run wild with this one, and I’m genuinely buzzing to see more.

 

[PeteBull]

Why don’t you wait until they’ve released a shit game first?

We did, TLOU2 happened already 4 years ago, take away all its wokeness, aka u play as both ellie and joel, never as shehulk abby, but u kill abby, brutally, and all her team, and game gets 2 or 3x sold copies instead.
Woke game, if its big budget and high quality still can sell decently, it just wont get sales from ppl who despise wokeness, be it 70%, 50%, or even only 30% sales, it is stil lost sales.
TLOU2 forced players to accept dev's betrayal, some are ok with it and gonna call spitting in their face that its just a rain, some wont

Some of us never, and i literally mean never ever, wanna play as abby and watch those gay porn scenes, its crazy disgusting to watch, there is a reason this thing became meme:

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I thought he was kinda off base. He kept making comments like we're all complaining because shes bald and doesnt have big tits.

I dont think it has anything to do with that or anything 'woke."

I think quite simply, people are just sick of the same ol' smug, girlboss bullshit. And that's on top of an aesthetic that's been really played out over the years.

Yup, there was a time where “take an attractive feminine actress, and put her in a role where she’s stripped of her femininity and becomes an action hero” was a bold and interesting creative choice. And a huge part of what made it interesting was that it was different from the norm.

In 2024 it’s just fucking boring and played out. In 2024 it actually feels refreshing when a game or movie doesn’t have some 0-charisma girlboss and retarded Marvel dialog.

You can tell this game was conceived back when Hollywood + game studios still believed that the Modern Audience wanted this shit.

 

[mckmas8808]

With development taking longer and release schedules drying up, each individual release comes with a lot of expectations. When those expectations are not met, there's gonna be backlash. Add to that ND's position as Sony's finest studio, and the divisive shift in their content, and it's the perfect mix to get people invested and riled up. This is hardly surprising.

But this vitrol is a bit much.

 

[Markio128]

We did, TLOU2 happened already 4 years ago, take away all its wokeness, aka u play as both ellie and joel, never as shehulk abby, but u kill abby, brutally, and all her team, and game gets 2 or 3x sold copies instead.
Woke game, if its big budget and high quality still can sell decently, it just wont get sales from ppl who despise wokeness, be it 70%, 50%, or even only 30% sales, it is stil lost sales.
TLOU2 forced players to accept dev's betrayal, some are ok with it and gonna call spitting in their face that its just a rain, some wont

Some of us never, and i literally mean never ever, wanna play as abby and watch those gay porn scenes, its crazy disgusting to watch, there is a reason this thing became meme:

Gay porn scenes? Abby got fucked by a man. It’s right there in the screenshot. You sound like you need some sedatives mate because you’re taking this shit way too seriously.

 

[mrqs]

There are now 15 threads

Made within the last 30 days about Intergalactic and Druckmann/ND.

The game will be a massive success.

 

[mckmas8808]

We did, TLOU2 happened already 4 years ago, take away all its wokeness, aka u play as both ellie and joel, never as shehulk abby, but u kill abby, brutally, and all her team, and game gets 2 or 3x sold copies instead.
Woke game, if its big budget and high quality still can sell decently, it just wont get sales from ppl who despise wokeness, be it 70%, 50%, or even only 30% sales, it is stil lost sales.
TLOU2 forced players to accept dev's betrayal, some are ok with it and gonna call spitting in their face that its just a rain, some wont

Some of us never, and i literally mean never ever, wanna play as abby and watch those gay porn scenes, its crazy disgusting to watch, there is a reason this thing became meme:

What gay porn scenes were in TLOU2? I swear I beat that game and never seen a gay porn scene.

 

[Zacfoldor]

When I look at cocky Druckmann I get the feeling he believes gamers are over and he doesn't need to make games for them anymore.

Am I wrong? Time will tell I guess.

I'm Yoshi and Druckmann is Mario:

 

[clarky]

The game will be a massive success.

Only if its decent.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I can't name a single space game that looks like it, to say it's generic is odd to me.

I really liked the trailer but the robot felt like something I have seen many times.

 

[Seyken]

$10M after 1 year is a sales flop? The commentary here is so surface level. If the game was that much of a flop the studio would be shut down like the others. It probably had a 3X ROI at a minimum, which is an enormous success. It didn't just make back its money.

Hint: it's not a flop.

You're trying to misconstrue what I said. The studio didn't close because 10 million sales is clearly enough to pay back its budget and make a profit, like I said.

It's a flop when you consider things like how much the first game sold and expectations. Do you understand the difference? You don't close down a studio that made its money back, but you certainly aren't happy that you made a franchise's potential value shrink that much after just one game.

A lot of people, myself included, are not really that interested in a TLOU3 after the second one.

The true impact from a controversial/bad game in a franchise only really shows itself in the next game.

Devil May Cry 2 sold slightly less than DMC 1 because it came hot on the heels of its success. And guess what? It was a terrible game and affected the 3rd game's sales by a lot, which in turn was a masterpiece of a game.

God of War Ragnarok sold 15 million in a year.

Ghost of Tsushima came out of nowhere as a new IP and sold the same 10 million copies as TLOU2.

Do you really think in your heart of hearts, that with all the hype that the first game generated, with an ending that is talked and debated about to this day and over 30 million copies sold, that Sony expected its sequel to sell just around 10 million copies?

 

[March Climber]

The game will be a massive success.

Lord Frieza is pleased. More threads are needed.

 

[mckmas8808]

Only if its decent.

Well....yeah! Isn't that the point?

It'll bomb if it's a horrible product.

 

[Markio128]

I really liked the trailer but the robot felt like something I have seen many times.

Yeah, the robot was the only thing that looked a bit generic in the trailer.

 

[KimDongHwan]

Ruined = making multiple GOTY titles since UC2 and the best show on TV?

Ok. That's an interesting perspective of ruin.

I wouldn't say his raise in power happened after UC2 but probably around TLOU2 when he got full creative power of the company. In any case we will have to wait and see, it will be sad if the game is bad just because of the message because then we will have to wait around 4-6 years for them to go back to their roots

 

[mrqs]

Yeah, the robot was the only thing that looked a bit generic in the trailer.

For me as well, the ending of the trailer wasn't the best part imo. I'm sure it's much more than that, maybe they went with a safe design just so they don't spoil the really interesting stuff. Some Elden Ring-like game with those robot designs doesn't sound THAT interesting, but we'll see. I'm sure the whole ship/retro style will be hugely present in the open world somehow.

 

[clarky]

Well....yeah! Isn't that the point?

It'll bomb if it's a horrible product.

It'll bomb if its anything less than stellar. Concorde wasn't horrible, it was average. DA wasn't horrible, its only outstanding feature was it pissed off 90% of is target audience.

 

[mckmas8808]

You're trying to misconstrue what I said. The studio didn't close because 10 million sales is clearly enough to pay back its budget and make a profit, like I said.

It's a flop when you consider things like how much the first game sold and expectations. Do you understand the difference? You don't close down a studio that made its money back, but you certainly aren't happy that you made a franchise's potential value shrink that much after just one game.

A lot of people, myself included, are not really that interested in a TLOU3 after the second one.

The true impact from a controversial/bad game in a franchise only really shows itself in the next game.

Devil May Cry 2 sold slightly less than DMC 1 because it came hot on the heels of its success. And guess what? It was a terrible game and affected the 3rd game's sales by a lot, which in turn was a masterpiece of a game.

God of War Ragnarok sold 15 million in a year.

Ghost of Tsushima came out of nowhere as a new IP and sold the same 10 million copies as TLOU2.

Do you really think in your heart of hearts, that with all the hype that the first game generated, with an ending that is talked and debated about to this day and over 30 million copies sold, that Sony expected its sequel to sell just around 10 million copies?

TLOU2 is at or around 15 million sold now. Plus why are you forgetting that TLOU has 8 more years to sell it's copies?

 

[Hypereides]

There is a lot of desire for ND and Druckmann to fail after so many exclusive +90 goty quality games, it is insane the fuss that is made every time they show something.

Frankly, I don't think people want him to fail. Its people venting their frustrations. Most of it is criticism from fans who don't feel like they're being heard.

It comes wrapped in varying packages. Some of it is truly resentful and unwarranted vitriol more so than others. Some of it isn't.

Doesn't appear like he's got some deep seated malign intent. His choices seem to come from a good place, but unfortunately those same choices seem to largely misalign with a majority of folks out there. That's why people voice their worry and disarray.

 

[near]

Over the last few years, ND has developed a consistent pattern in its portrayal of women. There is an obvious culture war in progress, and leading Western studios are doubling down. This goes beyond art direction; it’s propaganda. The only derangement I see is within those who defend this crap blindly. How many more female characters have to be portrayed as men before some of you acknowledge that it’s actually a problem?

 

[Chuck Berry]

Only if its decent.

If online opinion keeps on staying in the negative, it will eventually bleed out into normieville.

Also it was either Dustin or Chris that mentioned online comments being "all bark and having no bite."

Hello? Really? What about Concord? What about something like Forspoken? These games were destroyed online leading up to release. Sure real world word of mouth helped fan the flames, but the disliking started with those first trailers and the comments and then everything went from there. Same shit is happening here.

 

[DForce]

Does anyone remember Returnal?

There were very little complaints about her looks and this is considered one of the best games of 2021 and of the generation by many people, and that's because the gameplay was important.

And Colin is right, most gamers don't know the discourse that's taking place online. My only complaint is that the trailer wasn't one of their best and that's why they need to go all out with their next one.

 

[CLW]

Sorry TLOU 2 2020 story was an abject dumpster fire (and TLOU 1 is my favorite game of all time)

Their GAAS was apparently worse than Concord and couldn’t see the light of day

Other than that it’s been remakes remasters remasters of remasters with ZERO new IP since 2013

 

[mckmas8808]

It'll bomb if its anything less than stellar. Concorde wasn't horrible, it was average. DA wasn't horrible, its only outstanding feature was it pissed off 90% of is target audience.

Dude......you guys and Concord my LORD!!!!

For all the people that keep wanting to lie and act like Concord was a decent game. Reviewers didn't agree! A 62 Metacritic is HORRIBLE! Especially for a game that cost Sony $200 million and $400 million overall.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Does anyone remember Returnal?

There were very little complaints about her looks and this is considered one of the best games of 2021 and of the generation by many people, and that's because the gameplay was important.

For one, that game dropped when stoic female characters like that were becoming the norm. In a way, it was sorta fresh at the time.

Also, Selene isn't a cunt. She's a bit enigmatic, but she's nowhere near the unlikable bitch that let's say, Aloy is.

 

[clarky]

Hello? Really? What about Concord? What about something like Forspoken? These games were destroyed online leading up to release. Sure real world word of mouth helped fan the flames, but the disliking started with those first trailers and the comments and then everything went from there. Same shit is happening here.

Those games failed because they where average or less.

If GTAVI turns out to be the second coming of Christ and videogames 12 angry men moment you think anyone would give a shit if the MC was trans?

 

[Banjo64]

The only deranged people are the ones living in 2013 thinking Naughty Dog and Druckmann are still making good games. It’s sad that the defenders just can’t accept that for a lot of people ND have completely lost relevancy and for legitimate reasons.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Those games failed because they were average or less.

rofif would like a word

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The only deranged people are the ones living in 2013 thinking Naughty Dog and Druckmann are still making good games. It’s sad that the defenders just can’t accept that for a lot of people ND have completely lost relevancy and for legitimate reasons.

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Yes, everyone is deranged but my minority screeching opinion is right. Derp.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Neil's a right cunt, what even is this

 

[CLW]

There has been a massive disconnect between Moriarty and his audience for years on this. On a live show he did a while back he was totally baffled and annoyed at how low his audience placed TLOU2 in their best PS4 game list. So, on some level, he doesn't understand, he doesn't agree, and he likes the games from this guy. Which is fine, but it doesn't make his take any more or less valid than someone else's.

I believe Moriarity has a somewhat personal/friendly relationship with Drukman and Colin isn’t exactly “conservative” in this area of the political debate.

People that act like he is “Mr conservative” have NEVER likely ventured anywhere other than the East/West coasts

 

[clarky]

rofif would like a word

Hey I like average looking fat birds, doesn't mean they'll sell well.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Does anyone remember Returnal?

There were very little complaints about her looks and this is considered one of the best games of 2021 and of the generation by many people, and that's because the gameplay was important.

And Colin is right, most gamers don't know the discourse that's taking place online. My only complaint is that the trailer wasn't one of their best and that's why they need to go all out with their next one.

I remember many calling her ugly.

 

[PeteBull]

Gay porn scenes? Abby got fucked by a man. It’s right there in the screenshot. You sound like you need some sedatives mate because you’re taking this shit way too seriously.

We play as abby, we as guys, straight guys, never want to be dominated durning sex, we dominate, woman submits, thats how it is, in that sex scene player who plays as abby is dominated by a man, thats gay as fuck.

 

[Zacfoldor]

The game will be a massive success.

You are predicting the success or failure of this one game.

We are really debating the future of the industry. What will or what won't fly on average.

If we make it painful for even the little things to be added in, they will think twice about the big things.

Did I say the quiet part out loud?

 

[Chuck Berry]

Hey I like average looking fat birds, doesn't mean they'll sell well.

In my experience, the bigger ones do weigh way more stuff

 

[Seyken]

TLOU2 is at or around 15 million sold now. Plus why are you forgetting that TLOU has 8 more years to sell it's copies?

So it took almost 5 years for a TLOU game to catch up to GoW Ragnarok's 1st?

Like I said man, the game clearly didn't flop in the "make your money back" sense. It's in my opinion bigger than that. They clearly fragmented the fanbase and diminished interest in the franchise by quite a bit. And that's hard to get back.

After TLOU2 I seriously have no trust in Neil to deliver the goods and that first Intergalactic trailer did absolutely nothing to change my opinion, it actually cemented it.

 

[mckmas8808]

We play as abby, we as guys, straight guys, never want to be dominated durning sex, we dominate, woman submits, thats how it is, in that sex scene player who plays as abby is dominated by a man, thats gay as fuck.

1. Not all straight guys believe this. So stop with the non-sense.
2. Your character is a woman having sex with a man. That can't be gay. Literally!
3. Your sex life might suck considering what you just typed.

 

[PeteBull]

I remember many calling her ugly.

She is old and close to 0 in a sexual/dating market value, yup, she is basically female equivalent to broke dude who lives in his parents basement/his van, aka extremly undesirable.

 

[mckmas8808]

So it took almost 5 years for a TLOU game to catch up to GoW Ragnarok's 1st?

Like I said man, the game clearly didn't flop in the "make your money back" sense. It's in my opinion bigger than that. They clearly fragmented the fanbase and diminished interest in the franchise by quite a bit. And that's hard to get back.

After TLOU2 I seriously have no trust in Neil to deliver the goods and that first Intergalactic trailer did absolutely nothing to change my opinion, it actually cemented it.

So GoW Ragnarok is now that floor for what's considered a "Good Sales of a AAA game" now? If so, I see why these lazy Publishers are wanting to do GaaS games instead. Man.....you videogame fans are an interesting bunch.

 

[PeteBull]

1. Not all straight guys believe this. So stop with the non-sense.
2. Your character is a woman having sex with a man. That can't be gay. Literally!
3. Your sex life might suck considering what you just typed.

When u gotta use the "not all" u know u fucked up, bro
Ofc there are some perverts/sexual deviants, w/e, i mean huge majority of straight men, u know it well
Edit:
To adress ur 2nd point, i am just gonna link to this classic sex scene from first scary movie:

0 point to answer to personal attacks so ofc wont adress it

 

[DForce]

I remember many calling her ugly.

Yet people rarely called her ugly every time Returnal was being discussed.

For one, that game dropped when stoic female characters like that were becoming the norm. In a way, it was sorta fresh at the time.

Also, Selene isn't a cunt. She's a bit enigmatic, but she's nowhere near the unlikable bitch that let's say, Aloy is.

And we don't know much about this character. People made assumptions based on a small interaction with a character on a screen. Still, that doesn't change the character from being "ugly"

 

[Zacfoldor]

1. Not all straight guys believe this. So stop with the non-sense.
2. Your character is a woman having sex with a man. That can't be gay. Literally!
3. Your sex life might suck considering what you just typed.

Mate we may never agree on this topic but whatever the fuck that other guy is talking about I'll never know. I have been thrown off this whole topic reading over and over again what he wrote and....

 

[kevboard]

Druckmann and ND are credited with an absolutely stellar track record and have not missed

I mean... if you like pretentious shlock I guess... and Jak 3 was decent I guess, but he didn't have a massive role in that game's development...