Looks like Phil has been giving Rare too much leeway given the amount of time they wasted on Sea of Thieves and now this
Leadership needs to be reined in same with 343i
I won't be surprised. Their silence pretty much looks like it.Elden Ring is in development hell.
Source : Me.
Check off the box that says be like Zelda? Were it so easy.I said it when it was revealed, and I could end up totally wrong, but this feels like a game that gets green lighted when an exec says “we need something creative, like Zelda!” Without understanding that the games need to be way more than skin deep.
Again I could be wrong, and I hope I am. I mean who wants bad games released? But this one just reeks so far of trying to check off certain boxes.
Sea of Thieves release in March of 2018, three years ago, and it has been supported as a major GAS title in the time since. So, it's not like Everwild has been a front-burner project for five years now.I mean they did say they didn’t know what the gameplay was actually gonna be not that long ago - and if it’s been in development for years that is not a good sign. I just wouldn’t show it until they know what it is
Sea of thieves outsold horizon zero dawn and deaths stranding on Steam first month. You can dislike something, but that doesn't make it bad.Looks like Phil has been giving Rare too much leeway given the amount of time they wasted on Sea of Thieves and now this
Leadership needs to be reined in same with 343i
Sea of thieves outsold horizon zero dawn and deaths stranding on Steam first month. You can dislike something, but that doesn't make it bad.
2023. That's why we're hearing about Microsoft making deals with third-parties, and the hard push towards backwards compatibility.MS keeps announcing games way too early because they want to combat the "xbox has no 1st party games" narrative which is actually true. I love the look of this game but they haven't shown a single frame of gameplay yet and can't explain what it is which leads me to believe it's still years away from release if it releases at all. This is indicative of the poor leadership Xbox game studios had before Spencer got the promotion and sadly the poor leadership that's continued after he was put in charge. I have zero faith in the guy being able to do what needs to be done to get these studios in shape and to make them as productive as they need to be.
Tbf, Sea of Thieves is in an AWESOME state right now though. At launch though, def. was barebones as hell, but it's grown into a genuinely really fun game to play with buddies. I still think Rare has a lot of talent and a ton to offer, they've just been massively underutilized for the last damn 15 years or so. They def. aren't the fucking development powerhouse they were in the 90's, but I think there output the last few years across their ports and Sea of Thieves has been pretty good. Shame though that SoT is still judged on it's launch state.its rare. they took like 5 years on barebones sea of thieves. i get sad when i remember how great their games used to be in comparison to them today.
Lamount of time they wasted on Sea of Thieves
WTF did I just read? Rare killed it with SoT, it's a brilliant game with huge content sustain for a long time now. It also has a great fanbase and success since launch and today still. I'll take 10 more thanks Rare.
Gaming side cracks me up sometimes.
Man you guys have selective memory when it comes to game launches
You missed the point. My comment was about MS faux-diversity culture that leads to groupthink and an atmosphere where everyone works in an echo-chamber. There's probably no one at Rare who can say, "This is a dumb idea for a game."What I meant by the opposite of resetEra.... Is they are too far and one side... And you are on the complete far opposite side (equally bad)
There was no need to call out workers at Rare for being Gay, women or "trannies". You don't even know what these peoples views are so you can't possibly know if they are 'woke'. Being gay doesn't mean your views are left wing or right wing.
Personally I think those comments were uncalled for and wasnt needed. Your post read at a dig for anyone for having a sexuality or whatever....I've not seen any "preaching" in their games either. Sea of theives was a popular game weather you liked it or not. It was a beautiful looking game too.
I get it was a light launch but for a new IP and not the "normal" multiplayer experience Rare deserve leg room, look at that they create. SoT launched to success (a less content rich launch but a complete and working game nonetheless). It has gone from strength to strength.
Your post calls for studio heads at Rare to go. I see SoT as proof they should have more investment and creative licence. I'll happily take the launch and run to present day that SoT enjoys with Everwild. You seem to think that's a bad thing.
Yes they should go. They spent ages making a new IP only to launch it in a pathetic state requiring even more investment and boosted labour from MS to fix it
And now they're seemingly making the same mistakes yet again. Are they seriously expecting MS to save their ass everytime they fail?
Rare in its current form doesnt need more creative freedom. It needs someone to come in so they can get their act together.
You consider SoT a failure?
How long did it take Sea of Thieves to get to an acceptable level after its release again?
I guess we can pretend the No Mans Sky launch didn't happen too eh?
The game has legs. Just like No Mans Sky. Longevity is something a lot of games don't have.
They only have legs because they dedicated even more resources to fixing their flops.
That's not a good business strategy
Tbf, Sea of Thieves is in an AWESOME state right now though. At launch though, def. was barebones as hell, but it's grown into a genuinely really fun game to play with buddies. I still think Rare has a lot of talent and a ton to offer, they've just been massively underutilized for the last damn 15 years or so. They def. aren't the fucking development powerhouse they were in the 90's, but I think there output the last few years across their ports and Sea of Thieves has been pretty good. Shame though that SoT is still judged on it's launch state.
A game having legs is not a good business strategy?
Wait is Cyberpunk considered a bad game or something?
What? NoRead again
You didn't read my last two sentences which addressed your obvious reaching concerns.
I don’t mind that they showed a glimpse of it - it didn’t really blow me away graphically enough to be like “whoa next gen!” But I get why they showed it - I just think they shouldn’t focus on showing it for a while until it’s like ready to be seen fully formedSea of Thieves release in March of 2018, three years ago, and it has been supported as a major GAS title in the time since. So, it's not like Everwild has been a front-burner project for five years now.
It can be frustrating to think that Microsoft chose to show it so early when it's not really a tangible product yet, but that's part of the fun of a new console unveiling, all these glimpses of the future that developers are planning (hoping?) to deliver. It's teasy. but it's also exciting, and informative. We know what's on Rare's mind, we know what it thinks it can provide on a next-gen engine (and maybe/maybe not past-gen, depending on which version of Xbox.com is up on a given day...), we know they're getting back into fantasy and magic and wonder after not being in that space for a while, we know MS trusts them to make a brand new IP, we know a little bit about what the concepts they're aiming to bring to the game... We're in on the process.
If you're mad at MS for over-promising that this is a "game" to make plans for (including choosing which console to buy) to instead of a "project" to take interest in if you are a Rare fan or enjoyed the teaser, then be mad at MS. Maybe the company made a mistake showing it too early to a general audience. But Rare is just working on their work. Hopefully things are going okay.
Plus, if MS hadn't cooked up not-at-all-gameplay teasers for Everwild and Fable and Avowed and State of Decay 3 and Perfect Dark... what would they have done instead? "Hey, you know that Grounded thing we showed two or three times before? Now, here it is in 4K!! So, pre-order Xbox Project Scarlet now!"
Damn.... took an opportunity to discuss the thread topic, and chose to derail with fanboyish stupidityHopefully Microsoft doesn’t ruin Bethesda like they did Rare.
SoT has been a hit for Rare and Microsoft since day one and the game has only gotten better. Rare recently announced they hit 20 million players.Man you guys have selective memory when it comes to game launches
The first major content drop came two months after launch and there has been a steady stream of content since then. Rare has also been hinting at a major content drop with in game hints over the last several months. It'll probably be announced at E3.How long did it take Sea of Thieves to get to an acceptable level after its release again?
SoT has been a hit for Rare and Microsoft since day one and the game has only gotten better. Rare recently announced they hit 20 million players.
From Wikipedia:
Sea of Thieves is a commercial success. The title attracted more than 1 million players two days after it released.[126] During its week of release, it was the best-selling retail game in the UK,[127] and it became the second best-selling game in the US in March 2018 behind Far Cry 5.[129] On 28 March 2018, Microsoft declared the game as the fastest-selling new IP released for the Xbox One.
The first major content drop came two months after launch and there has been a steady stream of content since then. Rare has also been hinting at a major content drop with in game hints over the last several months. It'll probably be announced at E3.
Entire article is based off this with no proof. The game was never meant to be close to release when VGC covered it. Sounds like a throwaway comment with no evidence at all.
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Rare’s Scarlett adventure game ‘will be announced at X019’ | VGC
Microsoft will reportedly reveal new IPs from Rare and Obsidian…www.videogameschronicle.com
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Rare announces Everwild, a “truly original” new IP led by Conker artist | VGC
Adventure game is set in a “natural and magical world.”…www.videogameschronicle.com
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Does the game still has that ultra basic melee combat?! Or they introduced new mechanics?It got 1 million players at launch thanks to being free on gamepass and numbers dropped off a cliff until they started actual content in the game
Some cosmetic updates and the tenticle of a kraken. Real major update there LMAO
I'm not saying the game isn't doing great now, but at launch, and months after, it was a piece of shit.
Does the game still has that ultra basic melee combat?! Or they introduced new mechanics?
How about removing it from the internet. I just checked. First page Nintendo thread subtitle is Trans Rights are Always Human Rights | Free Palestine. Why would people want that shit in their gaming discussion? How do I know these rumors aren't just some random political statement? I mean the threads read like, let's discuss games, sex changes and genocide, or someone seeking online therapy littered with bans of people crying "WTF is this shit?"Ban this source.
And their source too, because its literally just a post on Resetera.
True facts, but no one can retroactively change that. What matters is that they didn’t abandon the project, and instead fixed it and made it an extremely entertaining game. I’m glad it’s had the legs it’s had on Steam etc.It got 1 million players at launch thanks to being free on gamepass and numbers dropped off a cliff until they started actual content in the game
Some cosmetic updates and the tenticle of a kraken. Real major update there LMAO
I'm not saying the game isn't doing great now, but at launch, and months after, it was a piece of shit.
what even is rare in 2021
fuck em
Banjo Threeie needs to happen!True facts, but no one can retroactively change that. What matters is that they didn’t abandon the project, and instead fixed it and made it an extremely entertaining game. I’m glad it’s had the legs it’s had on Steam etc.
Regarding Everwild, the game was clearly shown off way to early. It’s now leading to increased scrutiny. Is 2/3 years pre-production a long time? I genuinely don’t know. If it’s been in full development for 2 years though we should be looking at maybe a 2023 release date?
I like Rare having the freedom to do what they want, they make unique games. They’ve also reportedly got 3 projects on the spin, one being lead by Gregg Mayles (who’s been ‘never say nevering’ BK on Twitter)...
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I wonder what reason that could be?Same was said of Sea of Thieves throughout it's development and showings at industry events, yet it's one of the best co-op experiences of the last generation and for a long while had a large following on Twitch. There are just a lot of people who are rooting for them to fail for whatever reason.
Yes they should go. They spent ages making a new IP only to launch it in a pathetic state requiring even more investment and boosted labour from MS to fix it
And now they're seemingly making the same mistakes yet again. Are they seriously expecting MS to save their ass everytime they fail?
Rare in its current form doesnt need more creative freedom. It needs someone to come in to help them get their act together.