TheSlySoul
Member
People wonder why I said I would buy this game on sale? This reason. #FucKonami
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F*ck Konami: MGSV FOBs beyond the first must be bought via macrotransactions
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SaveTheQueen
Banned
Bombard all the youtubers with this news. AJ, Jim sterling, AlphaOmegaSin, whoever, we need to make noise...this is dangerous for gaming as a whole...
geordiemp
Member
Thats making me ill.
MGS5 bargain bin in a month it is then
It is going to affect sales, we have 2 Ps4 and was about to buy 2 copies today. Changed my mind.
I dont think i am going to pre-order anything anymore...this is just crazy shit
If they gave you like 500 MB coins a day. I'd be fine. It's still shitty but at least there would be a way to earn them in game.
They will cut out or severely restrict the multiplayer om PC post haste the moment that takes place.
brandonh83
Banned
I'd be shocked if Alpha doesn't have a video up within the next hour.
Let me be more clear: it never worked for DLC as such.
This kind of dlc is targeted for what they call "whales". A very small percentage of players with a lot of cash who will buy this anyway.
The mentality of dismissing this kind of practice of "oh but it doesn't affect me anyway, I don't HAVE to buy it" means absolutely nothing as it won't stop asshole publishers of pushing it in the worst ways if they can even get a tiny slice of that cake. And they can make it progressively worse.
However asking for mass refunds did a number on WB and Arkham Knight for pc. And spreading the word about this to prohibit potential sales of a scummy business practice might be useful. Especially since it's not "such a small part of the game" as you're trying to spin it. People wanted to use that feature and it's behind a paywall (that only ONE free fob won't solve as it already says it's a huge grind) in addition to the 60$ game. It is absolutely horrendous
I'd rather have that than just enabling Konami.
For christ sake, you pay 60 bucks for a supposed premium experience. Try at least to show SOME kind of consumer interest
Spring-Loaded
Member
What's the best MGS reference made in this thread so far?
nemisis0
Member
Blackstarhat
Member
You won't understand the story at all if mgsv is your first game.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The only thing it affects is how much time you spend, though. Unless you really need 4 FOBs(which is the max number of FOBs, apparently?) and you need to research/develop everything immediately.
Like yeah, I'm all for giving Konami shit for charging for FOB, but I'm not going to pretend that it will ruin the SP experience.
The FOBS are just accelerators though.
That's what it is. More FOBs = shorter wait time. They're essentially time escalators.
Kirye
Member
I get that, but it just bothers me that i'd have to pay extra for the full experience. You just know MGO will have microtransactions too.
TheSlySoul
Member
Jim the next day probably.
He is way against BS microtranactions.
toddhunter
Member
Actually I disagree. Being able to grind things out is a negative, because then the game is designed around increasingly pointless grinding.
This way at least you can completely ignore it.
I'm happier with this approach if they are upfront about it, so you can decide if you want to still get the rest of the game.
Of course they have not been up front, so fuck konami.
Cowboy Dan
Neo Member
Oh good. The first one is free... They're talking like it's a f2p game.
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
MGS V got my money because of Kojima and so I could close out his take on the series.
The inevitable reboot by someone else will not be getting my money. This is where I get off the train.
Goodbye Konami. It was a nice run, and I wish you well in your future endeavors.
The inevitable reboot by someone else will not be getting my money. This is where I get off the train.
Goodbye Konami. It was a nice run, and I wish you well in your future endeavors.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Thing is though, we give Konami shit about this and we might, just might get Metal Gear Online that we all want rather than have another pay wall waiting for us in October. And yeah, it does affect SP, since it's way more grindy than it needs to be.
jailbird20022
Banned
most likely the protection money thing they hinted at where you could spend money to not be invaded (allegedly)
I remember when someone posted about Microtransactions and Konami denied it.
I wanted to believe you Konami.
You SEEN them prices, they weren't lying; nothing "micro" about that shit at all
bobbychalkers
Member
Unless Evilore has covert ninja-programmers on a virtuous mission deep inside Konami, GAF can't change anything about this.
SaveTheQueen
Banned
Hope he does, the Konami hate is strong with Alpha.
Hopefully. It seems PES is on a downward spiral for years now. Good.
How bad are they?
In Peace Walker you had to finish them all. I got the trophy after about maybe 50 hours of gameplay.
If you need to finish them all here with that 2 dispatch group limit things might take quite a bit longer.
brandonh83
Banned
It will be glorious.
Thanks for posting this...I really was wondering why TheSlySoul was waiting to buy MGSV.
serenewarfare
Banned
All of that makes sense, but I don't see how any reasonable consumer who won't buy microtransaction stuff not buying the game has any impact on what Konami does going forward. If the whales exist, then they will always exist to some extent. By all accounts, there is a 50+ hour experience with this game that is really great and requires not a single cent more than the asking price to experience. That seems like a damn good value, so pointing at a slice at the end of that experience and screaming bloody murder about the thing as a whole just kind of seems illogical to me.
CloudyTuba
Member
What's the difference between Mother Base and a Forward Operating Base? I thought they were the same thing. Are FOBs those additional add-ons that make MB larger?
Of course it was going to be this one. It's Konami. Their main focus as of now is gambling and mobile microtransaction bullshit.
Of course it was going to be this one. It's Konami. Their main focus as of now is gambling and mobile microtransaction bullshit.
TheSlySoul
Member
Apparently the defense was the first one is free.I remember when someone posted about Microtransactions and Konami denied it.
I wanted to believe you Konami.
Unlocking F.O.B.s is still microtranactions, Gamespot was right.
Those don't require an FOB at all, but it will take a lot longer if you're limited to stock Mother Base, even if the wording for that trophy/achievement is clear about it not being every dispatch mission.
The Last Wizard
Member
Everyone complains but will still buy the game lol
Yeah, earlier this year i decided to stop buying so many games new, since i realized how much money I wasted on games that sit unopened on my shelf and can be bought for $20 by the time I finally get around to them. (Plus annoyances with crippling launch bugs and cutting features to sell as DLC)
Shit like this makes my decision even easier.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Konami is far too deep to give a fuck about MGO. It's obvious that they probably diverted resources from it since we haven't seen ANYTHING about it, and it's obvious from the MB coins they're going to try and put as many things behind a paywall as obvious.
It's unfortunate. It's a sad way for MGS to exit.
brandonh83
Banned
Nobody has to buy the tokens. That'd say something I think.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
While GAF is definitely well known, it's a very, very small part of the market that this game will sell to and Konami and other publishers have done their homework and feel for every lost purchase they may get, the microtransactions will make up for it, or something.... or Konami are just trying to ruin everyone's day.
Krappadizzle
Member
Na, you shouldn't have to scarlet letter people like that. If anything you are giving support to this just by buying the game. Should everyone who bought the game be put on a Wall of Shame? Some people truly don't have the time(or cheat engine) and can find their enjoyment severely killed by long grinds.
TheSlySoul
Member
Same. I am still not done with Rare Replay. They have to earn my $60.
My logic is that asking for microtransactions after already asking for a sixty dollar entry fee seems like a shitty thing to do, regardless of how optional it is.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Many of them have already bought the game. That is why you hide information like this for as long as possible and/or outright lie about it.
Think it is coincidence this info hasn't come out until hours before release? Coincidence that none of this was explained at the review bootcamp? Hmmm.
Apparently getting the full singleplayer story involves doing some MB grinding, and that most of the reviewers never saw the whole thing in the 40 hours they played. I don't know the details, and I'm trying to say what little I do know as vaguely as possible.
I remember when someone posted about Microtransactions and Konami denied it.
I wanted to believe you Konami.
I don't remember them ever flat out denying it, they just said the microtransactions would not be required to complete the game.
WickedLaharl
Member
Can you cheat building times like you could cheat the war table in dragon age inquisition (changing date/time in dash)?