Vivalaraza
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Football Thread 2014/2015 |OT11| This Is Our Year!
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LFMartins86
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I like how we're completely ignoring Giovinco and his agent :lol :lol
August 2013 "he has many offers"
October 2013 "he'd like to play more"
November "he proved his quality coming off the bench"
December "January transfer? We'll see. But I repeat, he's happy here"
January "he's admired by many clubs. Why he isn't playing? Good question"
jts
...hate me...
I all-around suck, I think I was a bit better than this at some point but I just lost my patience to play it.
Thanks for watching though. But no money back for your wasted time
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
wilbur, is this what you are on about?
United stole Cantona from the league champions at the time, they tried to take Shearer from Rovers when they were United's nearest rivals and they did all they could to rake Paddy V from Arsenal when we were United's nearest rivals
but ignore all that and just laugh at Bayern
he really is. And he's wasting ours too, let's not forget.
Vivalaraza
Member
3 examples in 20 years.
Two of which didn't come off and one which is tenuous at best.
I mean it's a pretty silly argument as it is but even then the situations aren't even close to one another.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
Why is it silly? United tried to take their nearest rivals best player, but they got turned down. Bayern tried to take their nearest rivals best play and they succeed. United are just failures.
Vivalaraza
Member
The argument is silly because it's one of those "WAYNE ROONEY" you can't laugh at this or say that because once upon a time this happened ones.
The examples you gave are sparse, at least in comparison to what you're comparing them against with Bayern right now - and they're also a very long time ago. Some United fans won't even remember when we signed Cantona or tried to sign Shearer etc.
You said it's a "long history" - it's clearly not.
FTR, I don't hold it against Bayern, they're doing what they think that have to do. It makes sense for them. But if people do have a problem with it or whatever, not sure something that happened 20 years ago means they're now hypocrites.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Arsenal - 90TilInfinity, Anderson, Baconsaurus Rex, Boozeroony, colonisation, DangerousMali, DOBERMAN INC, Dibbz, Freewheelin', Ghouse, Ingeniero, Meus Renaissance, Judderman, Kweh, Lightning, omgkitty, pix, Plasma, Salvadora, Az, hiroshawn, Abraxas, bud, the walrus, Burgess_101, Suen, Ribbed Hero, phaze, luxstellarum, GHG, Akros, Juz, Mr.Marston, Barzul, ashecitism, Shanks D Zoro, Baki, Kassu, The Incarnation, wedward, Tambini, EmiPrime
Arsene Wenger is a 'specialist in failure' - Jose Mourinho
LFMartins86
Member
Slimani!! 2-0.
Fucking CAN, we're going to miss Slimani a lot for the next month.
Fucking CAN, we're going to miss Slimani a lot for the next month.
Parma is very close to getting a deal done with Nocerino. We want to increase the average age of the team even further!
the sad truth is that he is better than anything we have in midfield so I am happy for it....
Also, we're intending to get Campagnaro and Gonzales from Lazio...at this point I think we truly want to get the average age above 30
Gonzales is an upgrade too :lol
I honestly think you're going down this season no matter what or who you sign in the upcoming months. It's fucking sad to see one of the original Seven Sisters dying like this
So long, Suen, and thanks for Thuram and Buffon.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
United always tried to take their nearest rivals best player, regardless of success or failure.
other teams just gave up worse then what Dortmund did. United akways wanted to take their nearest rivaks bst player. Only difference between them and Bayern is that Bayern gave up easier.
Arsenal - 90TilInfinity, Anderson, Baconsaurus Rex, Boozeroony, colonisation, DangerousMali, DOBERMAN INC, Dibbz, Freewheelin', Ghouse, Ingeniero, Meus Renaissance, Judderman, Kweh, Lightning, omgkitty, pix, Plasma, Salvadora, Az, hiroshawn, Abraxas, bud, the walrus, Burgess_101, Suen, Ribbed Hero, phaze, luxstellarum, GHG, Akros, Juz, Mr.Marston, Barzul, ashecitism, Shanks D Zoro, Baki, Kassu, The Incarnation, wedward, Tambini, EmiPrime
Arsene Wenger is a 'specialist in failure' - Jose Mourinho
What? Yes, Wenger is a failure, you want a circle jerk to celebrate this?
cartoon_soldier
Member
who are you talking about? I can't think of anyone honestly
Carrick? Berba? Rio? S...Smith?
Vivalaraza
Member
You say always but you can't give examples of us trying to take someone off the other clubs that challenged us; Liverpool, Chelsea or City.
You sad United did everything to get Vieira - but we don't really know what everything is.
I'm not suggesting United haven't tried to take players from the opposition, of course they have and that is what many if not all clubs do. But it's pretty clear it's different to what has been happening in Germany where the landscape is completely different - which is why as I said earlier, it's a bad comparison.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
United tried to take Vieria from Arsenal, and Shearer from Blackburn. Shearer wanted Newcastle above all others and Wenger refused to sell Paddy to United.
The fact remains that Unired tried to take their nearest rivals best player for near a decade.
They only succeed in taking Cantona , but they tried to take more beyond him
Vivalaraza
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You're doing well to run a long way with a little bit of string.
If you want to make this argument it would be easier to say that United tried to run over the competition just like Bayern by outspending them and pushing the costs up in English football.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
Okay, Bayern have succeed where united failed in the 90s
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
Did you even follow football in the 90s?
Vivalaraza
Member
Right - if you want to simplify, you can say that.
It's still one of those silly moral policing type arguments.
Go back another 20/30 years and you can find more ammunition.
I can't imagine sitting on the bench after being the main man at Liverpool is something he would happy with. Carra retired for the same reasons.
Did you notice how Leeds tried to buy Irwin and only then did Fergie offer to buy Cantona
fucking leeds scum stealing rivals players
Gareth Bale
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That Elche comeback
EPLesque
EPLesque
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
What Bayern are doing now is nothing less than what United did and tried to do in the 90s.
For United fans to have a pop a modern day t Bayern is crazy
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
To be fair I don't know anything about that. That is the first time I ever ever heard of that.
Vivalaraza
Member
Did you even follow football in the 90's?
precisely, and your board (transfer committEH) knew that
this is all outta my arse obviously, but...food for thought!
Vivalaraza
Member
I doubt it would be a decision made with the implications of FFP in mind. You can present the number in various way to lesser the burden.
If it was down to some kind of contractual issue I'd guess it was more about length of contract than salary.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
Of course that is a well know know thing thing in premier league history. Get real Viva, only reason why you know know that is because Wilbur said it
Ye I can see where your coming from. He just doesn't strike me as that sort of person. If he wanted to be on more money he could of went to Chelsea/Madrid/Bayern all those years ago.
Vivalaraza
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No, I know about it because I've read about Eric Cantona's career at United and it's the start of the story. Leeds wanted to buy Irwin and United left with Cantona. It's part of the Leeds-United rivalry.
But I'm not pretending that it impacts my perception of football 20 years later. I mean I was 2 at the time we signed Cantona so really it makes no difference to my thought process right now.
right, he prob asked for two years instead of one or something.
but his obscene salary had to be a factor too!
LFMartins86
Member
3-0, Adrien from a penalty. This has been way easier than I expected, we truly showed up in style today and should have winning by more.
So you're full steam ahead over Cantona without knowing all the story? Sensational.
