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You were mocking a 45% uplift in Pro, now you are cheering less than 30% .. a classic case of hypocrisy

To be fair . The price on PC is same as previous if not cheaper. Yet you get performance boost even if it’s 30%.

Like let’s say last year 4070 is 550$. Today for the same money you can get 5070 for the same price ( in theory )
Ps5 has increased the price on the pro . So in this case pc users win

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why are people spending half this thread talking about the PS5 Pro?

Go elsewhere with your weird platform warring nonsense.

While I agree, where are these posts in the Pro threads?

 

[Kilau]

I’ve decided to once again build my own PC, no prebuilt for me.

 

[twilo99]

Does not stop you from shitting on console threads lol, that's the point.

There are more 4090 owners who own a ps5 pro than the other way around.

 

[Pedro Motta]

There are more 4090 owners who own a ps5 pro than the other way around.

I have no issue with that, I'm one of them.

 

[Thebonehead]

It’s a wonder where the bottleneck lies. The 5090 has a titanic 1.8TB/s of memory bandwidth, almost 80% higher than the 4090, yet the performance uplift is middling.

UE5

There’s something with modern games engine that completely blocks them from reaching higher performance with top-tier hardware.

UE5

Now technically I could have just replied once, but UE5 deserves some shit.

Think it will be interesting to see native performance bumps without dlss in different engines such as motor Id tech, red engine, frostbite etc in terms of pure raster.

Then comparisons with Ray tracing sans dlss as well to see how the new cores work and the performance bumps.

Increase in memory bandwidth and CUDA cores should be in the 35% level for raster alone.

I'm thinking 20% average across a wider range of games. I'd be happy with that as bumps elsewhere anyway.

I also like to play with GenAi LLM's and this card looks tasty for that especially with the memory bump.

Absolute no brainer for me to buy a 5090

 

[clarky]

Sweet baby Jesus, can xbox please get their act together to reignite the old war so we don't have to read this utter bullshit in seemingly every PC thread.

 

[Senua]

Sweet baby Jesus, can xbox please get their act together to reignite the old war so we don't have to read this utter bullshit in seemingly every PC thread.

Indeed. It was tolerable watching them fight eachother from our gilded varanders, but now they're buzzing around us like raging bees, vitriolic from lack of competition and woke first party games. They do need to fight us, for we are not horde, but rather peaceful ents living out our lives in fluid and high resolution harmony. The angriest of all bees is of course SweetTooth , an apt name as the honey he so dearly yearns for beckons him, for him there is no alternative but to fight for the honey, no matter the cost. Fight on young bee, fight on.

 

[SweetTooth]

Indeed. It was tolerable watching them fight eachother from our gilded varanders, but now they're buzzing around us like raging bees, vitriolic from lack of competition and woke first party games. They do need to fight us, for we are not horde, but rather peaceful ents living out our lives in fluid and high resolution harmony. The angriest of all bees is of course SweetTooth , an apt name as the honey he so dearly yearns for beckons him, for him there is no alternative but to fight for the honey, no matter the cost. Fight on young bee, fight on.

I'm honored to be mentioned here, but lets not act like PC peeps didn't invade every PS5Pro thread in existence.

Just browse those thread and you will be graced by Bojji, Gaiff and others .. but no Its console peasants that invading us lords

 

[llien]

Well, lots of heat to dissipate, massive cards. No wonder.



HUB demoed more:

 

[Seider]

There are more 4090 owners who own a ps5 pro than the other way around.

The number of 4090 owners who own a Ps5 Pro is exactly the same that the number of Ps5 Pro owners who own a 4090.

 

[Thebonehead]

Alphacool will have waterblocks ready for 5090 launch for the below:

• Palit various models
• Gainward various models
• Inno3D various models
• ASUS ROG Strix
• ASUS TUF Gaming
• MSI Suprim
• MSI Gaming

Nothing for the FE as per their reddit post.

"We are still looking at whether we can make a cooler for the Founders Edition. But as the PCB layout is extremely strange and very complicated for a water cooler, we don't yet know whether we will make a cooler for it."

 

[rofif]

Oof! Wake me up when we get to the 6090. 28fps at native 4K isn’t the jump I expect for a $2000 GPU. 5090 will be amazing with DLSS but I expect more of raw performance increase between card generations. Hopefully I see that real increase when we get to the 6090 and 7090 which is when I’ll be ready to upgrade my 4090.

28fps up to over 50?
So first, they are running DLSS performance or balance on it. That's easy to understand. So we start with about 60fps probably or closer to 50.
then x4 fps with framegen.

So the input lag is probably of 40-50fps internal base game.

 

[KellyNole]

I’ve decided to once again build my own PC, no prebuilt for me.

Nerd!!!

 

[xenosys]

Oof! Wake me up when we get to the 6090. 28fps at native 4K isn’t the jump I expect for a $2000 GPU. 5090 will be amazing with DLSS but I expect more of raw performance increase between card generations. Hopefully I see that real increase when we get to the 6090 and 7090 which is when I’ll be ready to upgrade my 4090.

I expected a bit more at native 4K.

I've seen 4090 native 4K benchmarks hitting about 24-26 FPS in similar areas, so that's a 10-20% performance increase under that criteria.

 

[3liteDragon]

Don’t start with 30fps, even Nvidia recommends against it. Base fps (with upscaling but not frame generation) should be higher than 40fps, ideally higher than 50fps. With Reflex 2 latency will be under a regular 60fps game and frames would be whatever multiplier you select.

I'm confused by the Cyberpunk DLSS comparison video they posted, so 2077 has day 0 support for Reflex 2 & I'll be able to play with lower latency than I am with DLSS 3 FG?

 

[Gaiff]

UE5

UE5

Now technically I could have just replied once, but UE5 deserves some shit.

Think it will be interesting to see native performance bumps without dlss in different engines such as motor Id tech, red engine, frostbite etc in terms of pure raster.

Then comparisons with Ray tracing sans dlss as well to see how the new cores work and the performance bumps.

Increase in memory bandwidth and CUDA cores should be in the 35% level for raster alone.

I'm thinking 20% average across a wider range of games. I'd be happy with that as bumps elsewhere anyway.

I also like to play with GenAi LLM's and this card looks tasty for that especially with the memory bump.

Absolute no brainer for me to buy a 5090

Could be, but the gains in other games don’t seem much better.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I expected a bit more at native 4K.

I've seen 4090 native 4K benchmarks hitting about 24-26 FPS in similar areas, so that's a 10-20% performance increase under that criteria.

Same here, I expected way more. I've seen benchmarks hit the mid-20s around similar areas in the game on the 4090 so I'm not impressed with seeing 28fps on the 5090 at all.

 

[ArtHands]

Sweet baby Jesus, can xbox please get their act together to reignite the old war so we don't have to read this utter bullshit in seemingly every PC thread.

Best get used to it as PC continue to extend its dominance in the gaming industry.

 

[crazepharmacist]

I have a ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity. Looks like it's going for like $500-600 on Ebay now. Think those prices will drop a lot once the 5090 is available?

Wondering if I should sell now and put up with my 7800x3d integrated gpu for a month.

 

[twilo99]

The number of 4090 owners who own a Ps5 Pro is exactly the same that the number of Ps5 Pro owners who own a 4090.

It didn’t sound right in my head and somehow my brain still made it make sense.

I think I was thinking about it it terms of percentages from the total number of 4090 vs ps5 owners or something convoluted like that

 

[YeulEmeralda]

There is this bizarre hatred for "fake" frames. First of all videogames are made up of smoke and mirrors.
Secondly who the fuck cares about what goes on in the machine if it looks good on the screen.

 

[Celcius]

The Asus Astral is my fav design

 

[Puscifer]

Seems like a solid take. Is GAF really positive for the 5000 series Vs the previous gen? Whilst still an upgrade, is it worth it?

I'm not. Said it before and I'll say it again, the dust has settled and people ready to throw 2,000 of their hard earned dollars at them need to see how Nvidia played us. Their benches aren't even using DLSS quality but performance. The gains are all from 1080p upscaled games and that's pathetic

 

[Gaiff]

There is this bizarre hatred for "fake" frames. First of all videogames are made up of smoke and mirrors.
Secondly who the fuck cares about what goes on in the machine if it looks good on the screen.

There is a justified hatred for deceptive marketing. I use frame generation and think it's awesome. However, it's not the same as a traditional fps increase and this needs to be stated and pointed out.

 

[bender]

MathThere are more 4090 owners who own a ps5 pro than the other way around.

 

[proandrad]

I'm not. Said it before and I'll say it again, the dust has settled and people ready to throw 2,000 of their hard earned dollars at them need to see how Nvidia played us. Their benches aren't even using DLSS quality but performance. The gains are all from 1080p upscaled games and that's pathetic

I'm cool with that, dlss 4k on performance looks good to me.

 

[Puscifer]

I'm cool with that, dlss 4k on performance looks good to me.

Visuals look like ass, you need at least balanced

 

[GermanZepp]

 

[LiquidMetal14]

All this ruckus about multi frame gen and Lossless Scaling on Steam has been doing that for a while.

 

[proandrad]

Visuals look like ass, you need at least balanced

Your opinion.

 

[Mister Wolf]

All this ruckus about multi frame gen and Lossless Scaling on Steam has been doing that for a while.

 

[analog_future]

 

[Tarnpanzer]

 

[Silver Wattle]

They really took the founders edition 5090 design to the next level:

 

[Rickyiez]

40% uplift here with Cyberpunk, makes more sense than the Wukong one.

Not earth breaking, but not doomsday yet like many are suggesting. Source : reddit

 

[PeteBull]

I’ve decided to once again build my own PC, no prebuilt for me.

 

[Bojji]

40% uplift here with Cyberpunk, makes more sense than the Wukong one.

Not earth breaking, but not doomsday yet like many are suggesting. Source : reddit

Not even close to being in the same place...

 

[hinch7]

They really took the founders edition 5090 design to the next level:

Crazy engineering. If I were in the market for a 5090 this would be the model I'd get. Most other ones are 4 slot/3 fan behemoths lol.

Taking away stress from PCI-e connector and I/O makes it much easier to repair if that gets damaged.

 

[Kenpachii]

Crazy engineering. If I were in the market for a 5090 this would be the model I'd get. Most other ones are 4 slot/3 fan behemoths lol.

Taking away stress from PCI-e connector and I/O makes it much easier to repair if that gets damaged.

Not gonna lie those 3 to 4 slot coolers are hella off putting, this 2 slot design is just extremely well designed and something if i was in the market for a 5090 would get.

 

[scydrex]

40% uplift here with Cyberpunk, makes more sense than the Wukong one.

Not earth breaking, but not doomsday yet like many are suggesting. Source : reddit

Was that at the same spot, same conditons?

 

[FalconPunch]

40% uplift here with Cyberpunk, makes more sense than the Wukong one.

Not earth breaking, but not doomsday yet like many are suggesting. Source : reddit

That's not even the same section of the game? What is this comparison?

 

[diffusionx]

If you turn off frame generation, what is the performance of the 5080 vs. the 4080S? From what I am reading you would be lucky to get a 5% performance increase.

It's unreal that Nvidia can claim that frame gen is the same as more fps, when it just objectively is not.

 

[Bojji]

I think nvidia is overdoing that frame gen thing (timestamped):



Standard DLSS3 already AT BEST have not many visible issues (when devs do hud properly) and it's good in some games and shit in others. Add 2 more frames and it could end up being a mess. We will see.

 

[daninthemix]

Semantics. Above 60fps all I wanted from higher FPS is greater smoothness, so FG achieves exactly that.

 

[Bojji]

Semantics. Above 60fps all I wanted from higher FPS is greater smoothness, so FG achieves exactly that.

Nvidia frame gen is decent with 40-50 base and good with 50fps + (great above that).

But it won't make 20-30fps perform good in any way. Nvidia slides with 20 something fps with DLSS off are misleading - they are using frame gen from already 50+ fps that was achieved using DLSS SR. Not that 20fps...

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

I tried lossless scaling and this thing is unusable IMO. Artefacts are hard to ignore, and latency isnt good either.

 

[Gaiff]

If you turn off frame generation, what is the performance of the 5080 vs. the 4080S? From what I am reading you would be lucky to get a 5% performance increase.

It's unreal that Nvidia can claim that frame gen is the same as more fps, when it just objectively is not.

Yeah, NVIDIA would release a new product with the same performance as the old one. Makes sense.

The performance uplift will be somewhere in the 20-40% range.

I tried lossless scaling and this thing is unusable IMO. Artefacts are hard to ignore, and latency isnt good either.

Guys, what you think about this 5080 vs 4080 comparison video? legit or not?

Of course, it’s fake.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

Yeah, NVIDIA would release a new product with the same performance as the old one. Makes sense.

The performance uplift will be somewhere in the 20-40% range.


Of course, it’s fake.

Ok, I deleted this video so as not to give this guy any more views.

 

[diffusionx]

Yeah, NVIDIA would release a new product with the same performance as the old one. Makes sense.

The performance uplift will be somewhere in the 20-40% range.


Of course, it’s fake.

4080 Super:
CUDA Cores: 10,240
RAM: 16GB GDDR6X
Memory Width: 256-bit
Clock: 2.3 GHZ
TFLOP: 52.2

5080:
CUDA Cores: 10,740
RAM: 16GB GDDR7
Memory Width: 256-bit
Clock: 2.3ghz
TFLOP: 56.3

Where is this 40% coming from, exactly?