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Indiana Jones by MachineGames Officially Revealed - Coming in 2024 | Xbox Direct 2024
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Those are two competing design philosophies though. There is a reason most FPS shooters have no-name generic protagonists that say little, and almost all first person RPGs have protagonists that are created by the player. Yes there are exceptions (Deus Ex), but all I'm saying is that they are just making it harder on themselves from a design/narrative perspective lol
HeWhoWalks
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Except now, put Drake in Indy's spot, Indy in Drake's (with a cane), and Lara blowing bubble gum wondering where it all began to fall apart.
Or, one better...
Drake: "When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master".
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HeWhoWalks
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Jokes aside, I don't think it looks half bad...
I do wish it was 3rd person (only because that's why I personally prefer with this type of game), but I'm happy to give it a spin when it launches!
I do wish it was 3rd person (only because that's why I personally prefer with this type of game), but I'm happy to give it a spin when it launches!
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Neon Xenon
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Overexposure to Concentrated Stupid on the internet really deep-fried some peoples' brains beyond repair.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
WTF
Is it just me who cant spot Swastikas?
Why is this cut from the game?
There is a period accurate German soldier uniform 5 seconds into the trailer ..
HeWhoWalks
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Seriously though, it's still got a way until release! I'm sure it'll be polished from there.
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Majormaxxx
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For sure it has to get better
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James Sawyer Ford
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How is that any different from a game that is doing the same thing but in first person?
Most of what they showed yesterday was cinematics with some extremely basic looking gameplay where you mostly just walk around. The combat and traversal look extremely dated
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Pedro Motta
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James Sawyer Ford
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Indiana Jones is about exploring, brawling, and solving puzzles at its core.
By being first person, two of those pillars are handicapped (and arguably all of them, since puzzles and exploration go hand in hand).
Traversal is way better in third person. This game has third person traversal but it’s some of the worst third person traversal I’ve ever seen.
Hand to hand combat is WAY better in third person, and we have multiple games as good templates for third person brawlers where you fight big groups of enemies. You can make the fights play out like choreographed dance routines with really slick animations, finishers, and multiple whip actions to do things like stun, grab, pull, throw, etc that will be far less fluid and exhilarating in first person
I don’t even know why the Uncharted comparisons need to be made either. My ideal Indy game would not have the same focus on gunplay as uncharted. The combat engine would be entirely melee based with some stealth. I’m not sure I’d even have guns at all. You could also have more tomb raider influences for puzzles and exploration/traversal, with hub areas for each geographic region that are quite a bit more open and hub like in their structure. It would be very different from Uncharted.
This may be the best Indy game Machine Games can make, but don’t kid yourself that it’s the Indy game most people wanted. It could be good, but it’ll never be great given the choices that were made. And the fact that Todd Howard apparently wrote the narrative arc of this game after the abysmal Starfield story makes me extremely skeptical that this will be the high quality cinematic Indy game we have wanted for decades.
By being first person, two of those pillars are handicapped (and arguably all of them, since puzzles and exploration go hand in hand).
Traversal is way better in third person. This game has third person traversal but it’s some of the worst third person traversal I’ve ever seen.
Hand to hand combat is WAY better in third person, and we have multiple games as good templates for third person brawlers where you fight big groups of enemies. You can make the fights play out like choreographed dance routines with really slick animations, finishers, and multiple whip actions to do things like stun, grab, pull, throw, etc that will be far less fluid and exhilarating in first person
I don’t even know why the Uncharted comparisons need to be made either. My ideal Indy game would not have the same focus on gunplay as uncharted. The combat engine would be entirely melee based with some stealth. I’m not sure I’d even have guns at all. You could also have more tomb raider influences for puzzles and exploration/traversal, with hub areas for each geographic region that are quite a bit more open and hub like in their structure. It would be very different from Uncharted.
This may be the best Indy game Machine Games can make, but don’t kid yourself that it’s the Indy game most people wanted. It could be good, but it’ll never be great given the choices that were made. And the fact that Todd Howard apparently wrote the narrative arc of this game after the abysmal Starfield story makes me extremely skeptical that this will be the high quality cinematic Indy game we have wanted for decades.
VulcanRaven
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It looks great but not in every scene of the trailer. Maybe its the animation.
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Moses85
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There is a period accurate German soldier uniform 5 seconds into the trailer ..
I can not spot them, sorry.
ManaByte
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I can not spot them, sorry.
So you want them to put a swastika on a uniform that didn't have it?
Moses85
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The guys from the Screenshot I posted have an eagle on the uniform and the afrika corps looked like this:So you want them to put a swastika on a uniform that didn't have it?
ManaByte
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The guys from the Screenshot I posted have an eagle on the uniform and the afrika corps looked like this:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The Direct was internationally simulcast, including Germany, so the imagery was likely toned down in the stream.
The Wolfenstein games are the same way in Germany. But the rest of the world has all the Swasthika imagery in it.
Moses85
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Swasthikas are allowed to be used in Games in Germany since 3 years or more.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The official website is up with some information.
- Single player only
- Globe trotting adventure
- Mixture of linear + open zones
- Whip is not just a weapon but also a traversal tool
- Set between Raiders and Last Crusade
- Stealth, combat etc, different approaches to scenarios
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
Uncover one of history’s greatest mysteries in Indiana Jones and the Great Circle™, a first-person, single-player adventure set between the events of Raiders of the Lost Ark™ and The Last Crusade™. The year is 1937, sinister forces are scouring the globe for the secret to an ancient power...
indianajones.bethesda.net
- Single player only
- Globe trotting adventure
- Mixture of linear + open zones
- Whip is not just a weapon but also a traversal tool
- Set between Raiders and Last Crusade
- Stealth, combat etc, different approaches to scenarios
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Who else is going to rewatch the Indy movies this weekend?
I’m starting with the first one tonight
The franchise is me "rewatch once a year" list anyway, including Predator (I stop at 1 + 2
) Alien, Terminator (stop at 3 ) , LoTR and this year I might do a full Harry Potter rewatch as well.
SmurfMustard
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Don't think that's true anymore. Those laws were changed a couple of years ago to allow swastika in games under certain conditions. It's still a hurdle for publishers.
Fess
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So many great movies mentioned there!The franchise is me "rewatch once a year" list anyway, including Predator (I stop at 1 + 2
I’m nearly as passioned for movies as games, especially that 80-90s era when movies had some humour too without being silly comedies. The Indy movies (1-3) are among my all time favorites
JusticeForAll
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I think it looks pretty ok, but would have preferred 3rd person for an Indiana Jones game as well.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
High res Key Art (can use even higher rez as a wallpaper TBH)
Fess
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True story, I used to absolutely hate first person games, in short they got me motion sick, I could play Halo 1 demo for 30 minutes and then I had to lie in bed fir the rest of the evening.
Then I bought a PC and apparently for me at least it was all fixed by having high framerate and no rubber band analog stick controls. I never ever get motion sick now.
ManaByte
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High res Key Art (can use even higher rez as a wallpaper TBH)
Jayjayhd34
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Nah if this ps game it would be totally diffrent thread....
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Rocco Schiavone
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They changed the law in germany years ago.
Germany lifts total ban on Nazi symbols in video games
After decades of German video games censoring Nazi bad guys, the rules have changed.
www.bbc.com
StereoVsn
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Because some folks prefer 3rd person in action adventure games. Others have issues with motion sickness.
Personally I prefer 1st person for FPS and 3rd person for action-adventure. Yes, Dishonored was great, but to me that’s something which is more action oriented and has supernatural/ magic powers to boot.
Chuck Berry
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Who else is going to rewatch the Indy movies this weekend?
I’m starting with the first one tonight
I prefer to get an actual release date before I start doing hype shit like that
Astray
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It's been largely superceded by Uncharted and Tomb Raider in the public's consciousness.
Chuck Berry
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Apparently Riddick was pulled from PC storefronts some time ago due to licensing issues
So now the only way to play is through the original XBox, 360 or PS3.
Edit: Proven wrong by Adam & His Apple
So now the only way to play is through the original XBox, 360 or PS3.
Edit: Proven wrong by Adam & His Apple
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Sethbacca
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You realize that most of us who are PS primary also have secondary consoles and PCs. The console it’s on is literally irrelevant except for the insecure children who are choosing to make it about the console. Deflecting to that argument is absolutely asinine.
Punished Miku
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Why didn't PS gamers talk about Tango Games regressing and being scared when Ghostwire Tokyo launched exclusively on PS5?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well ...
Sethbacca
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Because Indiana Jones is a franchise beloved all over the world by tens if not hundreds of millions of people, and most people don’t give a fuck about the perspective of an unknown IP with no preconceived notions of what it should or shouldn’t be. You’re comparing a revered license to an unknown IP and wondering why there’s a lesser reaction for the unknown IP? Seriously?
Chuck Berry
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Punished Miku
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Honestly, yeah. I thought no one cared about this IP and the movies killed it. I'm reading statements about developers stagnating and not even being ambitious unless they make a 3rd person game. I'm not really attributing any of this to you, but I've literally never read anything like this. I just find it shocking. I didn't see anything about not being ambitious when Cyberpunk hit, and that went from 3rd person (Witcher) to 1st person. I just don't get it. It can't just be Indiana Jones, or maybe people just are way more into that than I ever possibly imagined.
ChuckeRearmed
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Rewatched the trailer multiple times 
Sethbacca
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The newer movies may have stagnated some of the love of the franchise but the original trilogy will always have a following for us old fucks at least. May kill it for the younger generation though.
It’s kind of like Star Wars at this point. Even if you hate the recent movies there’s still a lot of love there.
Punished Miku
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Fair enough. I usually prefer 3rd person. I guess in this case it just seemed so oversaturated with Tomb Raider and Uncharted both basically doing this for decades. This felt like a fresh take on the tomb exploration / adventure.The newer movies may have stagnated some of the love of the franchise but the original trilogy will always have a following for us old fucks at least. May kill it for the younger generation though.
It’s kind of like Star Wars at this point. Even if you hate the recent movies there’s still a lot of love there.
amigastar
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I love 80-90 era movies although Quentin Tarantino says 80s were a bad decade for movies some of my favs are from the 80s (like Die Hard, Indy movies, Stakeout etc.)So many great movies mentioned there!
I’m nearly as passioned for movies as games, especially that 80-90s era when movies had some humour too without being silly comedies. The Indy movies (1-3) are among my all time favorites