Skifi28
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Jez Corden: “There is no devkit for the next Xbox right now, the whole idea of the next Xbox is that it’s a PC but in a TV friendly shell”, 2027
Little Chicken
Member
I'll be tearing up your ass with all that chili
vaibhavpisal
Member
Sounds good.
A lot will depend on specs and price point.
I think it will offer a narrow window where hardware will offer good performance for price point. Max 2-3 yrs I say. After that pc parts will start coming offering better features and VFM.
They will have to offer new specs every 5 yrs or less to keep up with pc hardware development.
I see no issue in dropping cash every 5 yrs to get upto date performance.
A lot will depend on specs and price point.
I think it will offer a narrow window where hardware will offer good performance for price point. Max 2-3 yrs I say. After that pc parts will start coming offering better features and VFM.
They will have to offer new specs every 5 yrs or less to keep up with pc hardware development.
I see no issue in dropping cash every 5 yrs to get upto date performance.
diffusionx
Gold Member
If it is a PC, it needs to be priced like a PC. With a profit margin. PC gaming hardware is very expensive right now. Microsoft isn't going to subsidize an Xbox where everyone will just load up Steam.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
In theory, the streamlined system UI should be available on any PC or handheld. So if people don't like the price point, they can just buy a PC instead. The hardware will have to sell based on its own specs, price point or custom features.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Exactly, PC uses the same business model as the 3DO did back in the day where 3DO got a cut of every game sold and Panasonic and Sanyo got nothing so they had to sell at a profit.
Third party vendors sell the hardware at profit because they can’t make money selling hardware.
No MS may be able to sell it for slightly less than the likes of HP, Dell, Lenovo etc because of game sales from the Xbox Store, but those sales won’t be enough to subsidise like a dedicated console where the manufacturer gets a 30% cut on EVERY game sold due to Steam.
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Topher
Identifies as young
That's why I'm a bit concerned about that aspect of it.
Yep. I think the days of Microsoft subsidizing Xbox hardware are over.
yurinka
Member
MS's idea since the moment they started to port to PC and bought Minecraft was to slowly move away from Xbox to become a 3rd party multiplatform publisher with Windows as home platform.
Basically to do a Sega and kill Xbox because it wasn't able to compete against PlayStation or Nintendo. A move bad for their console, but good for their game division because it would help them to finally become profitable and also highly increase their revenue.
By killing the (MS manufactured) Xbox hardware they get rid a lot of related costs, and by publishing everywhere they make a lot of money more because they reach way more users.
Yep, basically what PS and Xbox already are. But in this case pretty likely running as OS a consolized Windows to make ports even easier and cheaper, and also allowing other manufacturers to make their own 'Xbox' (a PC running Windows and following these HW specs).
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Where do you get the idea that Sony is following the "future is PC"?
Every single exec up to this point has stated that consoles are the core of their business.
Little Chicken
Member
It will probably be boutique hardware aimed at people that can afford it, while the great unwashed play on other platforms.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The current PCs already have it as most of the Xbox games releases on PC.
PCs have the Steam library + the Xbox library.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Yeah, it will compete with PC for sure, with less features.
It will likely be simplified with settings provided by xbox for seamless, console like experience. That will only be the selling point.
And gamepass.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
GAF & Gestridens strike again, Part 387.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I think it’s a good idea. If they can get their BC program for all those Xbox and 360 games on PC Id be happy as shit. Give me Ninja Gaiden Black and Lost Odyssey and Ill buy them day 1.
RetroGamingUK
Member
RafterXL
Member
At this point does it even matter? They've totally conceded this generation with the fact that there is no new hardware until next gen, while the Pro is sitting there. By the time the next Xbox hits, no one is going to care at all. They aren't Nintendo, they can't go two more years with inferior hardware without bleeding what's left of their customers.
At this point they should just drop the hardware completely and go full in on the third party angle. If everything is an Xbox, do we really need a new Xbox? The only other alternative that even has a chance in hell of succeeding is for them to go all in on hardware, drop AMD for Nvidia and have superior hardware with better RT/IQ and performance.
At this point they should just drop the hardware completely and go full in on the third party angle. If everything is an Xbox, do we really need a new Xbox? The only other alternative that even has a chance in hell of succeeding is for them to go all in on hardware, drop AMD for Nvidia and have superior hardware with better RT/IQ and performance.
Valve tried that and no one wanted it, I don't see why it would be different with Xbox.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Minisforum and other mini-PC brands have already been doing this with Framework releasing its upcoming DIY desktop PC. And by 2027, SteamOS may likely be available on desktop builds.
RetroGamingUK
Member
No different than Sony’s Steam games running on a Surface.
Microsoft are done competing with Sony.
GHG
Gold Member
Yeh they are free to do what they want, it will just result in the store (and hardware if they end up locking people in to their store on the hardware) missing out on a bunch of games, many of which will be high quality.
No that that's a scenario their current loyal userbase aren't used to anyway though.
Little Chicken
Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
Lets flip the question.
If it can play all Playstation games via steam, why would anyone want Playstation system?
Humdinger
Gold Member
Lots of speculation by Jez here, without any new evidence.
If you want my opinion (I know you do), I think MS will offer two pieces of next-gen hardware - one a handheld and the other a PC hybrid box. I think MS will release the handheld first, maybe 2026, then the PC hybrid a year or two later. The handheld will be priced in the same range as similar units (e.g., Rog Ally, Steamdeck), whereas the PC hybrid will be priced higher. The latter will be a niche product, designed to appeal to a small subset of Xbox fans willing to pay the price; it will be expected to sell only a small amount.
I derive most of that from what Sneakers has said here on GAF, along with Heisenberg's and MS's statements. The timing part is my guess.
If you want my opinion (I know you do), I think MS will offer two pieces of next-gen hardware - one a handheld and the other a PC hybrid box. I think MS will release the handheld first, maybe 2026, then the PC hybrid a year or two later. The handheld will be priced in the same range as similar units (e.g., Rog Ally, Steamdeck), whereas the PC hybrid will be priced higher. The latter will be a niche product, designed to appeal to a small subset of Xbox fans willing to pay the price; it will be expected to sell only a small amount.
I derive most of that from what Sneakers has said here on GAF, along with Heisenberg's and MS's statements. The timing part is my guess.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
Because they don’t like PC gaming?
Sony putting older games on PC hasn’t affected PlayStation sales one bit.
JCK75
Member
It's fucking brilliant is what it is.. PC gaming is taking over and it's just not deniable.. accepting that Windows gaming is their platform and making it more accessible to a console gamer is a winning strategy.. spoiler alert you'll be playing Spider-Man, last of Us and God of war on Xbox.
RetroGamingUK
Member
PS5 is selling as well as PS4
Switch is on course to be the best selling console of all time
But yeah consoles are dying #sonytoo #nintendotoo
The issue will be to know which ones weigh more, the pros or the cons. Personally, I see more red flags in a Xbox traditional console whose support will depend entirely on its sales than in a product where you have the main benefits that attract a console (os, optimized games, BC, hardware desing) with the extra option of accessing other stores and the catalog and support of any publisher and Indi Studios (including PS).
PD. Not to forget that MS will always have power over the catalog of its first party games (temporal exclusives plan).
There are still things to be known. Perhaps MS will sell hardware without loss.
In a logical situation, MS would provide the means for users of that "console" to buy their games on the Xbox Store (better optimized games, offers, etc. vs. Steam or Epic), Gamepass... Merging the PCXbox and Xbox Stores would also be a reason for third-party support to the ecosystem to be greater and have more incentives.
?? Low spec PC?? First we need to know those specs. Rumors point more to a high spec product.
The identity?? A box with the XBOX logo on it and that can works like a typical Xbox console... I don't think that's a concern for the user. What's more important is knowing if that product has guaranteed support and the full catalog of games possible, regardless of sales.
Its user base will be the traditional Xbox user, people comfortable with its ecosystem and with a large catalog of various generations. And we will have to see if there are people who play on PC and who could see a versatile and consolidated option in this new Xbox that would allow them to continue enjoying their Steam/Epic catalog and others.
As I said, there are still many things to be known and how MS plans to do/solve them. That said, with the multiplatform commitment and the current situation... a traditional Xbox would be a greater risk product.
RetroGamingUK
Member
1. It won’t be an Xbox, it’ll be a PC
2. Sony don’t put their games on the PC Xbox Store.
Topher
Identifies as young
Same reason why gamers have wanted consoles in general for years......cheap and easy.
Ehm, there is a long road between approved pitch and completed devkitsJez Corden and his schizophrenic Xbox reporting
One day the pitch for the next console has been approved, the other nothing exists but a boxed PC.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
If people had been following along here at GAF they would have known this box would be a PC based machine with a user friendly console like experience, have been saying this for maybe a year now?
As far as no devkits as other said in the 2026 COD thread that of course there are no true devkits as its a PC based on specs
As far as no devkits as other said in the 2026 COD thread that of course there are no true devkits as its a PC based on specs
They were still looking at a traditional console, I don't think we are only getting the handheld (this year would be my bet) and the PC inspired box
Topher
Identifies as young
I deny that so yes, it is deniable.
So they are going to release a console, PC and a handheld?
MayauMiao
Member
It's the 3DO of this generation.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
All of those were being looked at but where they are at today I don't know about all 3
Don't forget their chat logs from the FTC court case
- "Is the plan for 2028 to keep that [illegible] like model or force a Windows like flexible/capabilities like model?"
- "We have already started this journey with Xbox One and Xbox One X, furthering it in Series S | X," Kevin Gammill, corporate vice president of gaming ecosystems, replies, referring to Microsoft's experimentation with different-powered Xbox models in recent console generations.
- "We need to be even more flexible going forward with gen 10, but also provide the ability for creators to take advantage of unique hardware capabilities."
memoryman3
Neo Member
I refuse to believe that Xbox is going to make this a full PC. Maybe a better shared developer environment for indie and smaller developers would make sense but I can’t see Xbox bleeding money on a console that is less capable and much more expensive than Sony’s.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper for them to lay off their Xbox hardware team? We know from job postings and LinkedIn profiles that Microsoft are hiring silicon design engineers to work on the next Xbox platform, that is running on custom hardware again.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper for them to lay off their Xbox hardware team? We know from job postings and LinkedIn profiles that Microsoft are hiring silicon design engineers to work on the next Xbox platform, that is running on custom hardware again.
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RafterXL
Member
Because they are a console gamer who doesn't want a PC? And because I see where you are going with this, no it's not the same for Xbox, because Xbox games are coming to PlayStation but the opposite isn't happening.
There is zero chance Microsoft releases 3 different Xbox platforms after getting absolutely boat raced by Sony this gen. It's not happening.
vaibhavpisal
Member
I think there is a sub set of console users that is old, and wouldn’t mind a more capable albeit expensive system.
It will target those.
I think xbox’s lack of mainstream ambitions means it will be a desirable system.
Higher price, higher specs, more premium and desirable product.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
That'd be cool. I could play Lost Odyssey or Perfect Dark remastered and then switch to my stupid big Steam library.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Sounds like Microsoft is incredibly confused. Well....when aren't they?
ResilientBanana
Member
I’d actually buy one if it’s a pc.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Those people will have bought a PC already though.
Re-read the OP, watch the video, what differentiates this from any other PC other than having a more “under the TV” friendly size?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
It sums up MS perfectly when it comes to Xbox
I mean there is no way they attempt 3 platforms right?
The handheld will be a simple Windows machine so who knows
vaibhavpisal
Member
But, it wont be a pc.
Games will run out of the box using xbox provided optimised settings.
The devkit for what?
The devkit for a gaming PC IS obviously a gaming PC. Usually gaming PCs are also used as early devkits even for proper consoles.
Weren't they also supposed to launch something as soon as next year?
A lot of confusion here.
Jez just flip flops between a mix of delusions, personal wishes and whispers that get passed to him. All of this passed as reporting.
The other option is that Microsoft doesn't have any clear plan.
Only one thing is clear, Xbox as a traditional console is done.
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