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[Imtjnotu]

Did you just politely call me old???

 

[MazingerDUDE]

So you can see it!

Did you come from gamefaqs or something, you know this method of downplay doesn't work here, it's like reading a Era post.
Seriously though, I'm glad you're a happy fellow

Look, AI upscaler is no magic and there will be artifacts even with the more matured and advanced tech like DLSS, but the overall gain in performance and image clarity far out weights some of the artifacts you get in the process. If you don't agree with this, let's just agree to disagree

 

[TGO]

Look, AI upscaler is no magic and there will be artifacts even with the more matured and advanced tech like DLSS, but the overall gain in performance and image clarity far out weights some of the artifacts you get in the process. If you don't agree with this, let's just agree to disagree

There it is! a decent conversation thank you.
And I've already said, if you're fine with the compromises to achieve 60fps that's cool.
Just don't say it "Looks" better then the Quality Mode because it doesn't, close sure.
That's it, nothing more.
And the PS4 Pro topic was in response to" it only Upscaled and did nothing else"
Which was bullshit, it improved the graphics feature sets too of many games
Something that outside of Raytraying, the PS5 doesn't.
So yes, I expect a little more then the PS5 performance mode Upscaled.
I expect better LOD, AF, Enhanced textures and shadow and lighting.
Just looks at Fall Out 4.
Considering the Price, it's not much as what they asked.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Just don't say it "Looks" better then the Quality Mode because it doesn't, close sure.

I'll say whatever I want, and it DOES look waaaayyyyy better than the quality mode on PS5,

and probably about 99% of people who played FF7 on PRO would agree that PRO looks better in some degree.

I'm just glad that the era of TAA and its kins like FSR are over at least on the PS5 PRO

 

[TGO]

I'll say whatever I want, and it DOES look waaaayyyyy better than the quality mode on PS5,

and probably about 99% of people who played FF7 on PRO would agree that PRO looks better.

I'm just glad that the era of TAA and its kins like FSR are over at least on the PS5 PRO

Native is better imo
Also the fact everyone questioned my screenshots and even suggested the PS5 Pro is enhancing them says it all.
But you do you, you're preferred choice has no bearing on me

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Native is better imo
Also the fact everyone questioned my screenshots and even suggested the PS5 Pro is enhancing them says it all.
But you do you, you're preferred choice has no bearing on me

yeah, your picture says it all. the PRO looks better period

 

[TGO]

yeah, your picture says it all. the PRO looks better period

You obviously wasn't listening and don't want to.
There is a reason I posted that image to explain the deception of what happens when it is captured and what we saw in the stills from Digital Foundry
The image resolves and shimmering is frozen so you see the details.
but when it's a active picture those details fuzz around and you lose it.
And because the Native 4K is stable image in motion it appears sharper and cleaner.
You don't have to take my word for it, I'm confident you will see it if you test yourself.
Or you could just..

I reckon you'll choose the latter.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

And because the Native 4K is stable image in motion it appears sharper and cleaner.

more stable yes, sharper and cleaner no

 

[TGO]

more stable yes, sharper and cleaner no

At least listen dude.

There is a reason I posted that image to explain the deception of what happens when it is captured and what we saw in the stills from Digital Foundry
The image resolves and shimmering is frozen so you see the details.
but when it's a active picture those details fuzz around and you lose it.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

At least listen dude.

those were all captured from a video in motion







just hit the play button and watch it on full screen, and tell me which side is sharper and cleaner

 

[PicoLordens]

FF7R is one of the main reasons I'm considering a PS5 Pro. Go for a deep dive, give us some video captures, help a brother.

Then u considering for the wrong game. Versatility mode may look less blurry then OGs performance mode but the Pop-in and LOD transition is so ridiculously bad u won't have any fun looking at it. Don't believe me? Just watch a YouTube video. Trust me.

 

[TGO]

those were all captured from a video in motion







just hit the play button and watch it on full screen, and tell me which side is sharper and cleaner

Ironic you timestamp it where they go about shimmering and distortion and crawl and Tifas hair being a negative and unstable, but I guess you thought it was good.
And what's going on with his beard, that's blatantly video motion compression

And their PS5 footage does look a lot blurrier then it should be especially when it's evidently given that this is zoomed in.
More so then the scene above.

There's clearly more video compression in the PS5 footage and colour banding, make of that as you will.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

Ironic you timestamp it where they go about shimmering and distortion and crawl
And their PS5 footage does look a lot blurrier then it should be especially when it's evidently is given that this is zoomed in that's not the case.

There's clearly more video compression in the PS5 footage and colour banding, make of that as you will.

Just boot up the rebirth on your pro, play a cut scene and try to capture a screen shot on a similar time stamp for 30fps quality and pro versatile mode.

compare the resulting screen shots and tell us about your findings

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ah....lol. That's crazy. Let me try it

Edit: Not seeing much difference, but yeah.....seems like a half-ass patch to be honest.

Yeah, a true patch hasn’t hit yet. They’re a very small team and people have been on them about it. Hopefully Sony sends them some gusto to help as they ere investing more in them.

 

[Topher]

Yeah, a true patch hasn’t hit yet. They’re a very small team and people have been on them about it. Hopefully Sony sends them some gusto to help as they ere investing more in them.

Yeah, some help implementing PSSR would be nice. Played the game on PC for a bit with my son since PSN is down and there is much bigger difference than there really should be.

 

[Rush2112]

If they actually enhanced bloodborne for this platform I would buy it. They’re so stupid.

 

[viveks86]

Just boot up the rebirth on your pro, play a cut scene and try to capture a screen shot on a similar time stamp for 30fps quality and pro versatile mode.

compare the resulting screen shots and tell us about your findings

Dude, after 2 pages of this… I don’t think the “findings” are going to be what you think you will get

 

[Skifi28]

Then u considering for the wrong game. Versatility mode may look less blurry then OGs performance mode but the Pop-in and LOD transition is so ridiculously bad u won't have any fun looking at it. Don't believe me? Just watch a YouTube video. Trust me.

I'm having quite a bit of fun here.

 

[PicoLordens]

I'm having quite a bit of fun here.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly playable. And of course everything is subjective.

 

[viveks86]

DF's take on the new PSSR patch for outlaws:

 

[omegasc]

DF's take on the new PSSR patch for outlaws:

pretty much the same as I noticed with Jedi Survivor and GT7. Less instability while still, but ray tracing reflections still have weird things happening. They are probably using the same PSSR version.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

DF's take on the new PSSR patch for outlaws:

You can tell these guys aren't real gamers given how much they focus on "image at rest".

I'd love a DF alternative that really focused on how tech like upscalers impact games that you're actually playing...

 

[bryanee]

The game looks a lot better in motion. This obsession they have with a still image is weird. One of the only times I stopped moving in a game is when there is a puzzle I'm trying to workout.

 

[Killer8]

You can tell these guys aren't real gamers given how much they focus on "image at rest".

I'd love a DF alternative that really focused on how tech like upscalers impact games that you're actually playing...

"But what about the image at rest"?

 

[Lagspike_exe]

I wonder which version is GT7 using. Maybe we'll see improvements there as well. The RTRT mode with PSSR looks amazing, but anti-aliasing needs some cleaning-up.

 

[rofif]

Wtf is going on here.
ff7 rebirth looks better on ps5 pro. That's all there is to it. PSSR does the job

 

[viveks86]

I wonder which version is GT7 using. Maybe we'll see improvements there as well. The RTRT mode with PSSR looks amazing, but anti-aliasing needs some cleaning-up.

The aliasing is what kept me from using PSSR. Would look perfectly playable and gorgeous in motion if the aliasing is fixed.

 

[OverHeat]

 

[Trilobit]

Does anyone have any idea about what this stuff is about?

 

[OverHeat]

Does anyone have any idea about what this stuff is about?

Bullshit?

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

There it is! a decent conversation thank you.
And I've already said, if you're fine with the compromises to achieve 60fps that's cool.
Just don't say it "Looks" better then the Quality Mode because it doesn't, close sure.
That's it, nothing more.
And the PS4 Pro topic was in response to" it only Upscaled and did nothing else"
Which was bullshit, it improved the graphics feature sets too of many games
Something that outside of Raytraying, the PS5 doesn't.
So yes, I expect a little more then the PS5 performance mode Upscaled.
I expect better LOD, AF, Enhanced textures and shadow and lighting.
Just looks at Fall Out 4.
Considering the Price, it's not much as what they asked.

You said

Which simply wasn't true.
Locked or unlocked makes no difference as the PS5 Pro ain't delivering locked 60fps or 120fps in all it's games either.
And many games had improved graphical setting.
There's a website full of all the improvements
Go have look
Increase AF, DOF, textures, LOD and shadows and lighting are amongst the features the Pro added.
My point is the PS5 Pro is just upscaling the performance mode of games and it should be better.
No game looked better on PS4 over the Pro, None.
The difference was big and noticeable even if you down sampled on a 1080p screen.
With PS5 Pro all you got is "it's 60fps and almost looks as good as the base PS5"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't know what to tell you if you can't see how shitty an upgrade that is.
Now I ain't saying all PS5 Pro games have a bad Pro Mode.
I've repeatedly said Stellar Blade & Horizon look fantastic.
There games where the resolution was lower on based PS5 and the Pro delivers 4k60fps.
This is also great.
But when they just throw PSSR on the performance mode and call it a day, especially when it's already hitting 4K on the base PS5 then that's a shitty upgrade whether it's 60fps or not.
I expect more and so should all of you.

all the people that are content and defending this pattern of devs just slapping PSSR onto performance modes are the reason these devs have been offering such pathetic upgrades. One of the biggest statements that people like to use to defend the Pro is "your expectations were too high; what did you think $800 would get you? Did you really expect Sony to upgrade all their games?" ......people, stop acting like Sony is doing us a favor here- on console we also have to pay $60-$70 a year just to play our games online! We have to pay more money on average for games too. So when an $800 console comes out is it really expecting too much to have great support and effort put into these Pro patches? No f'ing way it's not. The Pro should be the turning point to where consoles are taken seriously- not by us gamers but by Sony themselves as well as developers....and yet it hasn't been. This is where the righteous anger from the people who buy the console should come into play to put some pressure back onto Sony but I think it's too late at this point and the Pro is going to fade out of the limelight real fast ...it already has.

Console people have been trained so hard to accept whatever we get and be happy about it. This is why games like Cyberpunk, FF16, Plague Tale Requiem and Control aren't getting patched. If everyone was angry about the situation (as any PC gamer certainly would be), there would be a lot more negative PRESS and these companies would actually be compelled to put some effort into a Pro version i guarantee you that!

The reason why games like SW Outlaws, SH2, AW2, Darktide and Space Marine 2 and Black Myth Wukong look and RUN nothing like their PC counterpart on similarly spec'd systems- remember the pitch for Pro? "Quality mode-like image at 60 fps"- none of those games, which were all PRIMED to look amazing on the Pro with a propper update hit the mark of Sonys own promises of this console.

Outlaws is effectively EXACTLY the same fidelity at 30 and 40 fps as it was on base PS5 only now we have the option to use PSSR ...Where is the boost to these games GRAPHICS SETTINGS, as any PC version of the same games would have an immediate uptick in visual fidelity across the board (settings and iq) when buying a better GPU! Not even people's precious Space Marine 2 Pro patch, which gamers here and over at DF were jizzing over, is in fact worth jizzing over.

We've been trained to think that was a great update because it was marginally better than 90% of updates we've had but in reality? The performance mode has no Ultra textures and is missing volumetric lighting which makes the Fidelity mode look so much better. Why are we just getting pssr instead of a boost to actual graphics settings in these games ("2-3x Ray Tracing performance" right Cerny?). Why not drop the native resolution of Fidelity mode to give us THOSE settings at 60 fps?

Black Myth Wukongs Pro upgrade is abysmal if you really look at it. The only mode worth a damn after the patch is Balanced mode which gives us ...a better Balanced mode sure ...it looks a lot cleaner than it did but it's only 40 fps! It doesn't look as good as the Quality mode though which is still 30 fps and Balanced also has lower settings so ...yay? We should've been able to get Quality mode at 40 fps and Balanced mode at a locked 60 but alas ...PSSR too expensive? The CPU possibly too big of a bottleneck? Sony not working with 3rd parties to get better results? All of the above? My point is people can say my expectations were too high but the console should at least do what it was designed and advertised to do.

Truly mind blowing how people vehemently defend Sony not upgrading more than half of their own exclusives, especially after offering superior PC ports all gen long. Or how when Sony uses performance mode as the basis for Pro patches it was such a big deal to me, because ONE WEEK AFTER Cerny gave his speech about how he wants to see us "not have to choose between sacrificing fidelity vs performance" they sent previews out with games using Performance modes for Pro patches!

Returnal, AstroBot, Days Gone, GoT, DS, Lego Horizon, Helldivers 2 (no i don't count the recent update as a Pro patch), GoW 2018, Destiny 2. I know I'm not supposed to bring up PS4 games, God forbid right, but what about the embarrassing situation of Bloodborne which now has a remaster mod on PC that can be played in beautiful 4k/60? I'm just saying Sony has been awful with both messaging and support.

Look how many people are moving to the PC right now? Look at Sony and Playstations reputation ...along with gaas bullshit it's the little things, like NOT TAKING CARE OF US BY PATCHING GAMES for us who've just shelled out our hard earned money on the most expensive modern console ever made (by a long shot) that are turning people off to consoles!

Im not telling you that you shouldn't like or enjoy your Pro but i am trying to talk some sense into the people who need to defend their purchases instead of asking themselves what they're really getting out of their purchase with this post. I wish this mentality would go the way of the Dodo man. An $800 premium console couldn't get gamers to demand a little more from companies in the console gaming space.

 

[Trilobit]

Bullshit?

I hope so because otherwise it's one of the most cringe examples of fanboyism I've seen.

 

[bender]

I hope so because otherwise it's one of the most cringe examples of fanboyism I've seen.

Not surprising coming from Alex as he wears his platform choice on his sleeve.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

all the people that are content and defending this pattern of devs just slapping PSSR onto performance modes are the reason these devs have been offering such pathetic upgrades. One of the biggest statements that people like to use to defend the Pro is "your expectations were too high; what did you think $800 would get you? Did you really expect Sony to upgrade all their games?" ......people, stop acting like Sony is doing us a favor here- on console we also have to pay $60-$70 a year just to play our games online! We have to pay more money on average for games too. So when an $800 console comes out is it really expecting too much to have great support and effort put into these Pro patches? No f'ing way it's not. The Pro should be the turning point to where consoles are taken seriously- not by us gamers but by Sony themselves as well as developers....and yet it hasn't been. This is where the righteous anger from the people who buy the console should come into play to put some pressure back onto Sony but I think it's too late at this point and the Pro is going to fade out of the limelight real fast ...it already has.

Console people have been trained so hard to accept whatever we get and be happy about it. This is why games like Cyberpunk, FF16, Plague Tale Requiem and Control aren't getting patched. If everyone was angry about the situation (as any PC gamer certainly would be), there would be a lot more negative PRESS and these companies would actually be compelled to put some effort into a Pro version i guarantee you that!

The reason why games like SW Outlaws, SH2, AW2, Darktide and Space Marine 2 and Black Myth Wukong look and RUN nothing like their PC counterpart on similarly spec'd systems- remember the pitch for Pro? "Quality mode-like image at 60 fps"- none of those games, which were all PRIMED to look amazing on the Pro with a propper update hit the mark of Sonys own promises of this console.

Outlaws is effectively EXACTLY the same fidelity at 30 and 40 fps as it was on base PS5 only now we have the option to use PSSR ...Where is the boost to these games GRAPHICS SETTINGS, as any PC version of the same games would have an immediate uptick in visual fidelity across the board (settings and iq) when buying a better GPU! Not even people's precious Space Marine 2 Pro patch, which gamers here and over at DF were jizzing over, is in fact worth jizzing over.

We've been trained to think that was a great update because it was marginally better than 90% of updates we've had but in reality? The performance mode has no Ultra textures and is missing volumetric lighting which makes the Fidelity mode look so much better. Why are we just getting pssr instead of a boost to actual graphics settings in these games ("2-3x Ray Tracing performance" right Cerny?). Why not drop the native resolution of Fidelity mode to give us THOSE settings at 60 fps?

Black Myth Wukongs Pro upgrade is abysmal if you really look at it. The only mode worth a damn after the patch is Balanced mode which gives us ...a better Balanced mode sure ...it looks a lot cleaner than it did but it's only 40 fps! It doesn't look as good as the Quality mode though which is still 30 fps and Balanced also has lower settings so ...yay? We should've been able to get Quality mode at 40 fps and Balanced mode at a locked 60 but alas ...PSSR too expensive? The CPU possibly too big of a bottleneck? Sony not working with 3rd parties to get better results? All of the above? My point is people can say my expectations were too high but the console should at least do what it was designed and advertised to do.

Truly mind blowing how people vehemently defend Sony not upgrading more than half of their own exclusives, especially after offering superior PC ports all gen long. Or how when Sony uses performance mode as the basis for Pro patches it was such a big deal to me, because ONE WEEK AFTER Cerny gave his speech about how he wants to see us "not have to choose between sacrificing fidelity vs performance" they sent previews out with games using Performance modes for Pro patches!

Returnal, AstroBot, Days Gone, GoT, DS, Lego Horizon, Helldivers 2 (no i don't count the recent update as a Pro patch), GoW 2018, Destiny 2. I know I'm not supposed to bring up PS4 games, God forbid right, but what about the embarrassing situation of Bloodborne which now has a remaster mod on PC that can be played in beautiful 4k/60? I'm just saying Sony has been awful with both messaging and support.

Look how many people are moving to the PC right now? Look at Sony and Playstations reputation ...along with gaas bullshit it's the little things, like NOT TAKING CARE OF US BY PATCHING GAMES for us who've just shelled out our hard earned money on the most expensive modern console ever made (by a long shot) that are turning people off to consoles!

Im not telling you that you shouldn't like or enjoy your Pro but i am trying to talk some sense into the people who need to defend their purchases instead of asking themselves what they're really getting out of their purchase with this post. I wish this mentality would go the way of the Dodo man. An $800 premium console couldn't get gamers to demand a little more from companies in the console gaming space.

Yeah, but your wrong.

 

[ManaByte]

Does anyone have any idea about what this stuff is about?

You’re linking to a GAF splinter forum founded by the most psychotic Sony warriors who got perma banned from here. What do you think?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

all the people that are content and defending this pattern of devs just slapping PSSR onto performance modes are the reason these devs have been offering such pathetic upgrades. One of the biggest statements that people like to use to defend the Pro is "your expectations were too high; what did you think $800 would get you? Did you really expect Sony to upgrade all their games?" ......people, stop acting like Sony is doing us a favor here- on console we also have to pay $60-$70 a year just to play our games online! We have to pay more money on average for games too. So when an $800 console comes out is it really expecting too much to have great support and effort put into these Pro patches? No f'ing way it's not. The Pro should be the turning point to where consoles are taken seriously- not by us gamers but by Sony themselves as well as developers....and yet it hasn't been. This is where the righteous anger from the people who buy the console should come into play to put some pressure back onto Sony but I think it's too late at this point and the Pro is going to fade out of the limelight real fast ...it already has.

Console people have been trained so hard to accept whatever we get and be happy about it. This is why games like Cyberpunk, FF16, Plague Tale Requiem and Control aren't getting patched. If everyone was angry about the situation (as any PC gamer certainly would be), there would be a lot more negative PRESS and these companies would actually be compelled to put some effort into a Pro version i guarantee you that!

The reason why games like SW Outlaws, SH2, AW2, Darktide and Space Marine 2 and Black Myth Wukong look and RUN nothing like their PC counterpart on similarly spec'd systems- remember the pitch for Pro? "Quality mode-like image at 60 fps"- none of those games, which were all PRIMED to look amazing on the Pro with a propper update hit the mark of Sonys own promises of this console.

Outlaws is effectively EXACTLY the same fidelity at 30 and 40 fps as it was on base PS5 only now we have the option to use PSSR ...Where is the boost to these games GRAPHICS SETTINGS, as any PC version of the same games would have an immediate uptick in visual fidelity across the board (settings and iq) when buying a better GPU! Not even people's precious Space Marine 2 Pro patch, which gamers here and over at DF were jizzing over, is in fact worth jizzing over.

We've been trained to think that was a great update because it was marginally better than 90% of updates we've had but in reality? The performance mode has no Ultra textures and is missing volumetric lighting which makes the Fidelity mode look so much better. Why are we just getting pssr instead of a boost to actual graphics settings in these games ("2-3x Ray Tracing performance" right Cerny?). Why not drop the native resolution of Fidelity mode to give us THOSE settings at 60 fps?

Black Myth Wukongs Pro upgrade is abysmal if you really look at it. The only mode worth a damn after the patch is Balanced mode which gives us ...a better Balanced mode sure ...it looks a lot cleaner than it did but it's only 40 fps! It doesn't look as good as the Quality mode though which is still 30 fps and Balanced also has lower settings so ...yay? We should've been able to get Quality mode at 40 fps and Balanced mode at a locked 60 but alas ...PSSR too expensive? The CPU possibly too big of a bottleneck? Sony not working with 3rd parties to get better results? All of the above? My point is people can say my expectations were too high but the console should at least do what it was designed and advertised to do.

Truly mind blowing how people vehemently defend Sony not upgrading more than half of their own exclusives, especially after offering superior PC ports all gen long. Or how when Sony uses performance mode as the basis for Pro patches it was such a big deal to me, because ONE WEEK AFTER Cerny gave his speech about how he wants to see us "not have to choose between sacrificing fidelity vs performance" they sent previews out with games using Performance modes for Pro patches!

Returnal, AstroBot, Days Gone, GoT, DS, Lego Horizon, Helldivers 2 (no i don't count the recent update as a Pro patch), GoW 2018, Destiny 2. I know I'm not supposed to bring up PS4 games, God forbid right, but what about the embarrassing situation of Bloodborne which now has a remaster mod on PC that can be played in beautiful 4k/60? I'm just saying Sony has been awful with both messaging and support.

Look how many people are moving to the PC right now? Look at Sony and Playstations reputation ...along with gaas bullshit it's the little things, like NOT TAKING CARE OF US BY PATCHING GAMES for us who've just shelled out our hard earned money on the most expensive modern console ever made (by a long shot) that are turning people off to consoles!

Im not telling you that you shouldn't like or enjoy your Pro but i am trying to talk some sense into the people who need to defend their purchases instead of asking themselves what they're really getting out of their purchase with this post. I wish this mentality would go the way of the Dodo man. An $800 premium console couldn't get gamers to demand a little more from companies in the console gaming space.

It seems like you never knew what a PS4 Pro was and had wildly high expectations and also don't seem to be satisfied with anything. Many of the games with great ports you dismiss completely.

Just sell your system and buy a PC at this point.

 

[jm89]

You’re linking to a GAF splinter forum founded by the most psychotic Sony warriors who got perma banned from here. What do you think?

Those discord chats having nothing do with that forum. They were on gaf way before.

Nutty Xbox fanboys poor attempt at spreading information and shilling.

 

[viveks86]

What am I looking at? What is cloud looking at and why is he so grumpy?

 

[OverHeat]

What am I looking at? What is cloud looking at and why is he so grumpy?

DLSS or PSSR you be the judge

 

[TGO]

DLSS or PSSR you be the judge

Hard to tell in screenshots, did it look like this on your screen?

If so PSSR.

 

[Gaiff]

Does anyone have any idea about what this stuff is about?

Wasn't that Xbox Discord thing from before the current consoles' launch?

 

[scydrex]

all the people that are content and defending this pattern of devs just slapping PSSR onto performance modes are the reason these devs have been offering such pathetic upgrades. One of the biggest statements that people like to use to defend the Pro is "your expectations were too high; what did you think $800 would get you? Did you really expect Sony to upgrade all their games?" ......people, stop acting like Sony is doing us a favor here- on console we also have to pay $60-$70 a year just to play our games online! We have to pay more money on average for games too. So when an $800 console comes out is it really expecting too much to have great support and effort put into these Pro patches? No f'ing way it's not. The Pro should be the turning point to where consoles are taken seriously- not by us gamers but by Sony themselves as well as developers....and yet it hasn't been. This is where the righteous anger from the people who buy the console should come into play to put some pressure back onto Sony but I think it's too late at this point and the Pro is going to fade out of the limelight real fast ...it already has.

Console people have been trained so hard to accept whatever we get and be happy about it. This is why games like Cyberpunk, FF16, Plague Tale Requiem and Control aren't getting patched. If everyone was angry about the situation (as any PC gamer certainly would be), there would be a lot more negative PRESS and these companies would actually be compelled to put some effort into a Pro version i guarantee you that!

The reason why games like SW Outlaws, SH2, AW2, Darktide and Space Marine 2 and Black Myth Wukong look and RUN nothing like their PC counterpart on similarly spec'd systems- remember the pitch for Pro? "Quality mode-like image at 60 fps"- none of those games, which were all PRIMED to look amazing on the Pro with a propper update hit the mark of Sonys own promises of this console.

Outlaws is effectively EXACTLY the same fidelity at 30 and 40 fps as it was on base PS5 only now we have the option to use PSSR ...Where is the boost to these games GRAPHICS SETTINGS, as any PC version of the same games would have an immediate uptick in visual fidelity across the board (settings and iq) when buying a better GPU! Not even people's precious Space Marine 2 Pro patch, which gamers here and over at DF were jizzing over, is in fact worth jizzing over.

We've been trained to think that was a great update because it was marginally better than 90% of updates we've had but in reality? The performance mode has no Ultra textures and is missing volumetric lighting which makes the Fidelity mode look so much better. Why are we just getting pssr instead of a boost to actual graphics settings in these games ("2-3x Ray Tracing performance" right Cerny?). Why not drop the native resolution of Fidelity mode to give us THOSE settings at 60 fps?

Black Myth Wukongs Pro upgrade is abysmal if you really look at it. The only mode worth a damn after the patch is Balanced mode which gives us ...a better Balanced mode sure ...it looks a lot cleaner than it did but it's only 40 fps! It doesn't look as good as the Quality mode though which is still 30 fps and Balanced also has lower settings so ...yay? We should've been able to get Quality mode at 40 fps and Balanced mode at a locked 60 but alas ...PSSR too expensive? The CPU possibly too big of a bottleneck? Sony not working with 3rd parties to get better results? All of the above? My point is people can say my expectations were too high but the console should at least do what it was designed and advertised to do.

Truly mind blowing how people vehemently defend Sony not upgrading more than half of their own exclusives, especially after offering superior PC ports all gen long. Or how when Sony uses performance mode as the basis for Pro patches it was such a big deal to me, because ONE WEEK AFTER Cerny gave his speech about how he wants to see us "not have to choose between sacrificing fidelity vs performance" they sent previews out with games using Performance modes for Pro patches!

Returnal, AstroBot, Days Gone, GoT, DS, Lego Horizon, Helldivers 2 (no i don't count the recent update as a Pro patch), GoW 2018, Destiny 2. I know I'm not supposed to bring up PS4 games, God forbid right, but what about the embarrassing situation of Bloodborne which now has a remaster mod on PC that can be played in beautiful 4k/60? I'm just saying Sony has been awful with both messaging and support.

Look how many people are moving to the PC right now? Look at Sony and Playstations reputation ...along with gaas bullshit it's the little things, like NOT TAKING CARE OF US BY PATCHING GAMES for us who've just shelled out our hard earned money on the most expensive modern console ever made (by a long shot) that are turning people off to consoles!

Im not telling you that you shouldn't like or enjoy your Pro but i am trying to talk some sense into the people who need to defend their purchases instead of asking themselves what they're really getting out of their purchase with this post. I wish this mentality would go the way of the Dodo man. An $800 premium console couldn't get gamers to demand a little more from companies in the console gaming space.

I'm enjoying my Pro. If someone dosen't then sell it an build a PC. Simple as that. Any game that runs bad on Pro then that the dev to blame. Yeah they have to fix their game and make a good use of the Pro.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

It seems like you never knew what a PS4 Pro was and had wildly high expectations and also don't seem to be satisfied with anything. Many of the games with great ports you dismiss completely.

Just sell your system and buy a PC at this point.

Seriously man ? You're the one replying to someone else with a cry.gif ? He's the one not satisfied with anything ? Maybe you're the one being satisfied with everything that our Lord and savior Sony throws at us ?

Can't the guy express his opinion after shelling out 800 Eurodollars or are we in this topic just to bicker at each other posting Pro comparison pics ad infinitum ?

Seriously now, why are you such a defender of everything Sony ? And if you think that I'm trying to single you out...well, it's not exactly like I'm the 1st saying this to you, can't you act normal without getting your panties in a twist whenever someone, anyone expresses some criticism towards this company ?

Are we here to discuss things or just to perform fellatio on a multi-billion company ?
I seriously don't fucking get some of you, you go to into a Xbox topic - bam - there's Adams cockle, Ozriel, Bumble tuna and others to quickly defend MS's "honor", you go into a PS thread as to have a chat - bam - there's people like you trying to shut down any kind of criticism, there's absolutely no friggin' discussion to be had in here, it's like, you either have to keep on sucking to a company or nothing, there's just no middle ground, everything has to be a Vs with some of you

TLDNR : let people express their (valid) opinion without trying to police their thoughts every single god-damned time

 

[SKYF@ll]

While not a PS5 Pro-enhanced game, GhostWire Tokyo looks great on the Pro with its increased resolution and frame rate.

 

[viveks86]

DLSS or PSSR you be the judge

Man, I just recovered from F Feel Like I'm On 42 ’s post. Now you have triggered TGO ?

 

[TGO]

While not a PS5 Pro-enhanced game, GhostWire Tokyo looks great on the Pro with its increased resolution and frame rate.

I'll have to take a look at this, great game.

 

[SKYF@ll]

Hard to tell in screenshots, did it look like this on your screen?

If so PSSR.

I think it's technically difficult to upscale hair with either DLSS or XeSS (especially when the internal resolution is low).

 

[OverHeat]

Hard to tell in screenshots, did it look like this on your screen?

If so PSSR.

Nope DLSS

 

[TGO]

I think it's technically difficult to upscale hair with either DLSS or XeSS (especially when the internal resolution is low).

Yeah I was over exaggerating bit with that.
But that's what I've been going on about, sadly you can't capture it in screenshots to the same effect and it does look sharper when frozen.
Which despite explaining didn't help.
Anyway, I'm over it.
Just enjoying the game now

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Seriously man ? You're the one replying to someone else with a cry.gif ? He's the one not satisfied with anything ? Maybe you're the one being satisfied with everything that our Lord and savior Sony throws at us ?

Can't the guy express his opinion after shelling out 800 Eurodollars or are we in this topic just to bicker at each other posting Pro comparison pics ad infinitum ?

Seriously now, why are you such a defender of everything Sony ? And if you think that I'm trying to single you out...well, it's not exactly like I'm the 1st saying this to you, can't you act normal without getting your panties in a twist whenever someone, anyone expresses some criticism towards this company ?

Are we here to discuss things or just to perform fellatio on a multi-billion company ?
I seriously don't fucking get some of you, you go to into a Xbox topic - bam - there's Adams cockle, Ozriel, Bumble tuna and others to quickly defend MS's "honor", you go into a PS thread as to have a chat - bam - there's people like you trying to shut down any kind of criticism, there's absolutely no friggin' discussion to be had in here, it's like, you either have to keep on sucking to a company or nothing, there's just no middle ground, everything has to be a Vs with some of you

TLDNR : let people express their (valid) opinion without trying to police their thoughts every single god-damned time

Why don’t you two set up your own thread to bitch about the Pro. You both come in and bitch about the same thing and same games again and again. We can’t change what you are complaining about. This is well past just complaining and obviously is an agenda. Sell your Pro and move on…if you even have one, which I doubt.