blindrocket
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Weren't a few of you saying Owen is just an average player?
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Magic: the Gathering |OT8| Eldritch Moon - It's only a paper (and digital) moon
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blindrocket
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And I found someone on FB to trade my Liliana, the Last Hope for two Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet. Should be awesome in my Jund.
Side note: Liliana's Emblem is just awesome if you can pull it off.
Side note: Liliana's Emblem is just awesome if you can pull it off.
"God's Beard!"
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With Liliana on one side and Eldrazi on the other, it's like both players are the good guys.
A Serious Man
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This is painful.
charlequin
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man i thought that match could go either way but i really didn't expect owen to get completely blown the fuck out like that
blindrocket
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Hey, Planeswalkers are good.
"God's Beard!"
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This is almost as much of a matchup upset as Reid Duke losing at Worlds with Bogles vs Jeskai Control.
Also, the legend of Owen Twotenwald continues after his finish at last year's worlds.
Also, the legend of Owen Twotenwald continues after his finish at last year's worlds.
SigmasonicX
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I was only looking away for a bit! Did I seriously miss the final game?!
A Serious Man
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I was only looking away for a bit! Did I seriously miss the final game?!
One player kept a 2 land hand. You won't believe what happened next!
"God's Beard!"
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I was only looking away for a bit! Did I seriously miss the final game?!
Owen kept 2 lands and no castable spells on the play and missed 3 land drops.
charlequin
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Also, extra rough to have everyone and their mother joking about how your defeat is a flavor win with Liliana crushing Emrakul, lol.
Owen missed three land drops while Lukas had Gideon, Shambling Vent, and one more guy giving him a two-turn clock.
I was only looking away for a bit! Did I seriously miss the final game?!
Owen missed three land drops while Lukas had Gideon, Shambling Vent, and one more guy giving him a two-turn clock.
"God's Beard!"
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Also, extra rough to have everyone and their mother joking about how your defeat is a flavor win with Liliana crushing Emrakul, lol.
Coverage knows their role.
blindrocket
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Winning deck:
Planeswalker (6)
3 Liliana, the Last Hope
2 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
Creature (7)
3 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
3 Archangel Avacyn
1 Linvala, the Preserver
Sorcery (11)
2 Transgress the Mind
3 Read the Bones
2 Ruinous Path
4 Languish
Instant (10)
4 Grasp of Darkness
2 Ultimate Price
2 Hallowed Moonlight
2 Anguished Unmaking
Land (26)
4 Shambling Vent
4 Forsaken Sanctuary
4 Caves of Koilos
1 Blighted Fen
4 Plains
9 Swamp
Sideboard (15)
1 Ultimate Price 1 Transgress the Mind 1 Anguished Unmaking 4 Duress 2 Dead Weight 2 Infinite Obliteration 4 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
A Serious Man
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Anyway, congrats to Blohon, Owen and Yuuya. Bant didn't dominate but the format still isn't really doing it for me. It's only a month until Kaladesh starts up and the Worlds lineup looks great so I'll survive.
charlequin
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Sucks that that final was so anticlimactic, but overall this was a pretty great PT and Top 8. If nothing else every game of the LSV vs. Owen match was absolutely spectacular.
Curious, having seen everything play out now, how people feel about the Standard metagame. Pretty clearly the concern that Bant CoCo was going to roflstomp everything has shown to be rather premature, and a few big cards (Emrakul, Liliana) have proven to be a lot better than people were thinking early on, but where does it go from here?
Curious, having seen everything play out now, how people feel about the Standard metagame. Pretty clearly the concern that Bant CoCo was going to roflstomp everything has shown to be rather premature, and a few big cards (Emrakul, Liliana) have proven to be a lot better than people were thinking early on, but where does it go from here?
SigmasonicX
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Sucks that that final was so anticlimactic, but overall this was a pretty great PT and Top 8. If nothing else every game of the LSV vs. Owen match was absolutely spectacular.
Curious, having seen everything play out now, how people feel about the Standard metagame. Pretty clearly the concern that Bant CoCo was going to roflstomp everything has shown to be rather premature, and a few big cards (Emrakul, Liliana) have proven to be a lot better than people were thinking early on, but where does it go from here?
If anything, LSV's success has shown that Bant Company can fight back very well with proper sideboarding. I think we'll see more variety in competitions, but Bant Company will still dominate.
SigmasonicX
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Oh, so Lukas was the one who won with a flipped Avacyn while Emrakul had control of him.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Interesting that the non green deck won. Don't think the Emrakul decks are gonna continue to exist in their current form.
Sucks that that final was so anticlimactic, but overall this was a pretty great PT and Top 8. If nothing else every game of the LSV vs. Owen match was absolutely spectacular.
Curious, having seen everything play out now, how people feel about the Standard metagame. Pretty clearly the concern that Bant CoCo was going to roflstomp everything has shown to be rather premature, and a few big cards (Emrakul, Liliana) have proven to be a lot better than people were thinking early on, but where does it go from here?
Eh we thought the same thing after SoI (and that CoCo was the boogeyman before it) and then it was all G/W and Bant with Mono Humans and B/W slowly being pushed out. We also havent seen what happens to the Delirium decks when Wr Humans goes after it.
MVP was LSV's Tamiyo.
Turn 3 Liliana is hard to fight against.
It's nasty because you reach the ultimate so quickly and then it's game over unless you can somehow rush the opponent.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I wouldn't say 4 turns is particularly quickly, Nahiri has a quick ultimate.
It's precisely because the Emrakul decks durdle around so much that a control deck can race it by curving out.
It's precisely because the Emrakul decks durdle around so much that a control deck can race it by curving out.
I wouldn't say 4 turns is particularly quickly, Nahiri has a quick ultimate.
It's precisely because the Emrakul decks durdle around so much that a control deck can race it by curving out.
Obviously there are planeswalkers that reach the ultimate faster (e.g. Nahiri, Elspeth Tirel), but given the mana cost and abilities, I think she's still rather quick. Once the ultimate goes off, all the opponent can do is rush you.
I think Lukas reached her ultimate...thrice in the Top 8? That's not too bad.
I wouldn't say 4 turns is particularly quickly, Nahiri has a quick ultimate.
It's precisely because the Emrakul decks durdle around so much that a control deck can race it by curving out.
That, and Lukas was able to keep her protected each time pretty well even when Owen had bodies on the board.
Obviously there are faster planeswalkers, obviously there have been faster ones (e.g. Nahiri, Elspeth Tirel), but given the mana cost and abilities, I think she's still rather quick.
The best part about her is that her +1 protects her all the way up to ultimating. And yeah, I think he ultimated her at least 3 times in top 8. Maybe even 4 times.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Obviously there are planeswalkers that reach the ultimate faster (e.g. Nahiri, Elspeth Tirel), but given the mana cost and abilities, I think she's still rather quick. Once the ultimate goes off, all the opponent can do is rush you.
I think Lukas reached her ultimate...thrice in the Top 8? That's not too bad.
It's awesome but it was a weird top 8, draft really messes anything to be learned from it up.
That, and Lukas was able to keep her protected each time pretty well even when Owen had bodies on the board.
yeah you have to be able to put down some serious pressure against a deck set up to protect her if you can't straight remove her.
blindrocket
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A guy brought his standard UB Zombie deck to Modern FNM last Friday and I played him, I was piloting Modern Jund.
He cast the new Liliana turn three and for the life of me I just couldn't get rid of her. He managed to get her ultimate off and that Emblem is a mother effing beast, let me tell you.
I ended up winning the match but that one time he got that emblem off was just so overwhelming I couldn't help but just laugh at its absurdity.
With that said, I think new Lili is good if you can protect her for what, the four turns it is going to take. She sort of protects herself unless you can go bigger.
I don't think she has a place in eternal formats but I could be wrong. Her -2/-1 ability does get rid of a lot of creatures in Modern/Legacy.
He cast the new Liliana turn three and for the life of me I just couldn't get rid of her. He managed to get her ultimate off and that Emblem is a mother effing beast, let me tell you.
I ended up winning the match but that one time he got that emblem off was just so overwhelming I couldn't help but just laugh at its absurdity.
With that said, I think new Lili is good if you can protect her for what, the four turns it is going to take. She sort of protects herself unless you can go bigger.
I don't think she has a place in eternal formats but I could be wrong. Her -2/-1 ability does get rid of a lot of creatures in Modern/Legacy.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Didn't Jund switch a terminate with dreadbore because of Nahiri?
blindrocket
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Didn't Jund switch a terminate with dreadbore because of Nahiri?
Yup. Which I did not for last FNM, I kept the three Terminates. I do have a play set of Dreadbore from when it was standard legal. I loved that card. I just wish it were instant speed.
A guy brought his standard UB Zombie deck to Modern FNM last Friday and I played him, I was piloting Modern Jund.
He cast the new Liliana turn three and for the life of me I just couldn't get rid of her. He managed to get her ultimate off and that Emblem is a mother effing beast, let me tell you.
I ended up winning the match but that one time he got that emblem off was just so overwhelming I couldn't help but just laugh at its absurdity.
With that said, I think new Lili is good if you can protect her for what, the four turns it is going to take. She sort of protects herself unless you can go bigger.
I don't think she has a place in eternal formats but I could be wrong. Her -2/-1 ability does get rid of a lot of creatures in Modern/Legacy.
Yeah, last week I played against a crazy UB Zombies build in a small standard tourney. Voldaren Pariahs with Cryptbreakers was probably the neatest trick he had. He also had a Kalitas and Lili, and put up some good results for the day. I was piloting a GB Flayer Delirium deck, but I've since dismantled it. But it was neat to see some Delirium representation this weekend.
blindrocket
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I'm watching a stream of a 'Win a Mox' Modern tournament, right now it is Infect versus Lantern Control.
Interesting to see the Infect player win with non-infect damage by pumping Noble Hierarch after being locked out by Ensnaring Bridge.
And also seeing Nissa, Voice of Zendikar being played in Infect, that was new tech I wasn't aware of.
EDIT: And expected with Lantern Control they ran out of time and went to turns just after game two ended, and you apparently can't start game three in turns, so it was a draw.
Interesting to see the Infect player win with non-infect damage by pumping Noble Hierarch after being locked out by Ensnaring Bridge.
And also seeing Nissa, Voice of Zendikar being played in Infect, that was new tech I wasn't aware of.
EDIT: And expected with Lantern Control they ran out of time and went to turns just after game two ended, and you apparently can't start game three in turns, so it was a draw.
"God's Beard!"
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Lantern is so good against infect. Maindecking multiple pithing needle, spellskite and bridge is just ggs.
You have to be pretty bad with lantern or have an asshole opponent to time out though.
You have to be pretty bad with lantern or have an asshole opponent to time out though.
I'm watching a stream of a 'Win a Mox' Modern tournament, right now it is Infect versus Lantern Control.
Interesting to see the Infect player win with non-infect damage by pumping Noble Hierarch after being locked out by Ensnaring Bridge.
And also seeing Nissa, Voice of Zendikar being played in Infect, that was new tech I wasn't aware of.
EDIT: And expected with Lantern Control they ran out of time and went to turns just after game two ended, and you apparently can't start game three in turns, so it was a draw.
Todd Stevens ran 3 Nissa in his sideboard last SCG classic, but I'm still unsure of what they're for.
Todd Stevens ran 3 Nissa in his sideboard last SCG classic, but I'm still unsure of what they're for.
-2 to add more infect is what I'm thinking. But I'm not sure either, really.
Infinite Stars
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Todd Stevens ran 3 Nissa in his sideboard last SCG classic, but I'm still unsure of what they're for.
Doesn't Infect have a hard time vs Jund? Maybe it's an Anti Liliana -2 tech that also gives a boost to Infecters?
blindrocket
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";212764140]Lantern is so good against infect. Maindecking multiple pithing needle, spellskite and bridge is just ggs.
You have to be pretty bad with lantern or have an asshole opponent to time out though.[/QUOTE]
The two Pithing Needles he got into play, he named Windswept Heath with one, and I can't remember the other. But I believe he did win that match.
The match the Lantern player lost was when the Infect player couldn't attack with any Infect creatures, but could with Noble Hierarch, so he used his pump spells to pump her and win with regular combat damage.
You have to be pretty bad with lantern or have an asshole opponent to time out though.[/QUOTE]
The two Pithing Needles he got into play, he named Windswept Heath with one, and I can't remember the other. But I believe he did win that match.
The match the Lantern player lost was when the Infect player couldn't attack with any Infect creatures, but could with Noble Hierarch, so he used his pump spells to pump her and win with regular combat damage.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Every Lantern player I've ever met has sold the deck for the same reason: it isn't fun to play or play against.
Obviously Emrakul is played out after 1 tournament featuring the card because
God's Beard!";212764140]Lantern is so good against infect. Maindecking multiple pithing needle said:Interesting that the non green deck won. Don't think the Emrakul decks are gonna continue to exist in their current form.
Obviously Emrakul is played out after 1 tournament featuring the card because
Every Lantern player I've ever met has sold the deck for the same reason: it isn't fun to play or play against.
Since when was Magic ever about fun?
"God's Beard!"
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Noble Hierarch is the real deal, but it's usually pretty rare for one to actually beat you with abrupt decays and pyroclasms, spellskite etc.
Also Grimace I really liked playing Lantern but I sold the deck because I just don't ever play Modern.
Also Grimace I really liked playing Lantern but I sold the deck because I just don't ever play Modern.
blindrocket
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Obviously Emrakul is played out after 1 tournament featuring the card because
I won't pretend to know what's going to happen to New Emrakul, and she's still obviously powerful.
However, wasn't the first Emrakul basically unwinnable once you faced her? She was a game-ending spell, practically a Planeswalkers Ultimate ability? I didn't play standard back then so I don't know...
It seemed like we saw multiple Emrakuls cast per some games during this tournament, and the person facing it still came out.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Obviously Emrakul is played out after 1 tournament featuring the card because
The decks just seemed too durdley, the GB delirium seems to be the best place for it or some of the older RG ramp.
SigmasonicX
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I won't pretend to know what's going to happen to New Emrakul, and she's still obviously powerful.
However, wasn't the first Emrakul basically unwinnable once you faced her? She was a game-ending spell, practically a Planeswalkers Ultimate ability? I didn't play standard back then so I don't know...
It seemed like we saw multiple Emrakuls cast per some games during this tournament, and the person facing it still came out.
Old Emrakul is stronger once it's out, but it's much harder to bring out without instant-speed reanimation or some other cheat.
New Emrakul can cost 8 or even 7 mana in Standard, and can be returned to your hand from the graveyard. It's weaker, but it's much easier to cast and recast.
shrapnelmagnet
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Conspiracy 2 spoilers soon? Like this week? pls?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'll triple down on saying she's not that good.
She gets terrible the moment graveyard hate gets printed.I'll triple down on saying she's not that good.
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