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[Angry Grimace]

Why doesn't the spirit have its P/T setting ability?

It's a Characteristic Defining Ability (Layer 7A) that applies before the P/T setting effect of Soul Separator, which makes it into a 1/1 (Layer 7B).

If Tarmogoyf was an 0/1 that had an ability that said "Tarmogoyf gets +1/+1 for each card type in all graveyards," it would work the way you are expecting because that effect applies in Layer 7C.

 

[Ashodin]

Holy fuk

Madness BBB? are u srs

Turn 1: Indulgent Aristocrat
Turn 2: Heir of Falkenrath
Turn 3: This thing
Turn 4: ???
Turn 5: You win

 

[Angry Grimace]

Holy fuk

Madness BBB? are u srs

Turn 1: Indulgent Aristocrat
Turn 2: Heir of Falkenrath
Turn 3: This thing
Turn 4: ???
Turn 5: You win

This is way worse than you are envisioning: you have to sac three guys to transform it, but then if they kill Voldaren Pariah in response to the transform trigger going on the stack (and this dies to practically every piece of removal in Standard), it won't flip and you won't get the sac trigger going the other way.

Remember that transform is not morph.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

This is way worse than you are envisioning: you have to sac three guys to transform it, but then if they kill Voldaren Pariah in response to the transform trigger going on the stack (and this dies to practically every piece of removal in Standard), it won't flip and you won't get the sac trigger going the other way.

Remember that transform is not morph.

He was referring to 6 power of flying turn 3 would be my guess.

 

[Angry Grimace]

He was referring to 6 power of flying turn 3 would be my guess.

You can already get more than that with Incorrigible Youths + Heir of Falkenrath. Or even just putting a Neglected Heirloom on an Heir.

 

[Ashodin]

I just like making my opponent sac three creatures ok

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I just like making my opponent sac three creatures ok

Play EDH then.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I just like making my opponent sac three creatures ok

It's why I over-valued Kindly Stranger in certain decks: the transform trigger is really good, but the reality is that they sometimes just kill your dude before you ever get the trigger because I tended to view on-demand transformation as being like morph, when in reality it goes on the stack like anything else.

 

[Haines]

Man this set looks interesting as hell so far.

My friend kept cautioning me that wizards usually ruins it's blocks but this just looks better than I expected.

 

[alternade]

So does emerge reduce the colored mana as well? How would this work with devoid if at all?

 

[Angry Grimace]

So does emerge reduce the colored mana as well? How would this work with devoid if at all?

It will never reduce the colored portion.

 

[Hero]

So does emerge reduce the colored mana as well? How would this work with devoid if at all?

CMC is always colorless so you will always be paying the colored portion of emerge.

 

[Ashodin]

Play EDH then.

It's what I can only play at my FNM every week. Sometimes Modern. Never standard. (I cry evry tiem)

 

[Firemind]

So many eldrazis smh

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Set is really not doing it for me with what we've seen so far. There hasn't been anything spoiled I actually want from it.

 

[Angry Grimace]

If you wanna suicide all your dudes and all of their dudes, just cast Languish

 

[alternade]

CMC is always colorless so you will always be paying the colored portion of emerge.

Ah ok. Hmmmm madness and emerge are so synergistic. Does anything from BFZ block play well with this set? Devoid, landfall, and cast triggers seem to clash with everything we've seen of this block so far.

 

[Hero]

Yeah not feeling the set so far either.

 

[Angry Grimace]

So many eldrazis smh

Maro said there aren't that many Eldrazi. I guess he meant on the front side because I think every single flip card other than Ulrich is an Eldrazi so far. Edit: he confirmed all of them are Eldrazi or Eldrazi-related other than Ulrich.

There are more cards that specifically care about Eldrazi in Eldritch Moon than there are in Oath of the Gatewatch (the only card that specifically cares about Eldrazi in Oath of the Gatewatch is Kozilek's Return, although obviously there are things that interact with colorless, but the most played colorless creature is Hangarback Walker)

 

["God's Beard!"]

RARARRGHGHGHGGGGGGHHHHH

This is the goddamn devil. You get value off of one of your creatures dying, you can tempo the fuck out of your opponents, give the octopus a turn of hexproof, whatever you want. This guy is the real deal.

 

[SigmasonicX]

Reddit spoilers:
There's pictures too, but I'm on mobile.


Wizards printing 2/1s for 1 like it's nothing nowadays lol

Pictures:

These werewolves seem pretty good, especially with Geier Reach Bandit. I quite like that last bit of flavor text.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Of the Eldrazi version the first one looks great the rest rather boring and meh, one of them looks more like a bear.

 

[ultron87]

Sinuous Predator art is awesome. I like the other two also, but that one especially.

 

[Haly]

I'd like an eldrazi'd topplegeist whose only difference is that it can topple multiple candles with its tentacles.

 

[Toxi]

Vildin Pack Outcast is kinda nuts for a common.

Trample 4/4 for 5 is already nice, but the ability to Flowstone it for an alpha strike, and the ability to make it bigger and nastier? That thing's crazy in limited.

It's also super complex for a common.

 

[Ashodin]

Sinuous Predator, I have no idea how that thing moves at ALL

And that's AWESOME

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Also the way these werewolves transform is utterly boring, how is it supposed to work from a flavour perspective?

 

[The Adder]

Sinuous Predator, I have no idea how that thing moves at ALL

And that's AWESOME

Swings from trees. Sorry to ruin it!

 

[Angry Grimace]

It looks a worse than SOI, but way better than BFZ, obviously. Mechanics seem fine if not exciting for the most part, but the aesthetic feels less cool from what we had in Shadows Over Innistrad. So basically so far it seems like Dark Ascension: the Eldrazining. :lol

I'm already on record as not liking meld, but if they were gonna do it, I think this was the wrong way to do it - meaning, putting it on only three sets of cards and having most DFCs play out normally. It comes off as an afterthought mechanic, that only plays out in constructed where the combos are far less likely to be good enough to assemble. It feels like this was the implementation you use to make Ken Nagle stop talking about it in development meetings.

Flip cards are obviously still fine, but they do feel a slight bit like a version of Monstrous if they just flip for mana. Emerge is pretty good (its a cheaty mechanic so people will like it I think), and Super Entwine is obviously great (even though we haven't seen much with it).

 

[SigmasonicX]

It turns out the normal art for Identity Thief is pretty neat.

Other nonpremium art.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

All but the treefolk look so much better, it's not even funny. The wolves in particular.

 

[Toxi]

Other nonpremium art.

This art feels really retro. Can totally imagine it in a super old set.

 

[Matriox]

Yeah not feeling the set so far either.

There are some neat and interesting cards here and there, but I'm in the same boat.

 

[Angry Grimace]

There are some neat and interesting cards here and there, but I'm in the same boat.

I wouldn't write it off yet, we've seen a lot more commons and uncommons vs. the rares that get people excited than normal.

The number of and type of cards revealed is a bit unusual though. The cards that tend to get people excited tend to be constructed playable stuff, and they're slow-rolling all that. The only obviously constructed playable card so far is the most boring mythic in the universe in Gisela (assuming you play it un-melded).

 

[jph139]

This art feels really retro. Can totally imagine it in a super old set.

I had the same reaction. The art, the mechanic, the whole "just a bunch of animals hanging out" vibe... I would definitely buy this as, like, a 20 year old card.

 

[Firemind]

Also the way these werewolves transform is utterly boring, how is it supposed to work from a flavour perspective?

Yah, activated ability to transform into eldrazi monstrosity is the definition of dull design.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Yah, activated ability to transform into eldrazi monstrosity is the definition of dull design.

I really hope your use of the word "monstrosity" was intentional because just paying mana to flip them operates a lot like Monstrous.

 

[Ashodin]

It looks a worse than SOI, but way better than BFZ, obviously. Mechanics seem fine if not exciting for the most part, but the aesthetic feels less cool from what we had in Shadows Over Innistrad. So basically so far it seems like Dark Ascension: the Eldrazining. :lol

I'm already on record as not liking meld, but if they were gonna do it, I think this was the wrong way to do it - meaning, putting it on only three sets of cards and having most DFCs play out normally. It comes off as an afterthought mechanic, that only plays out in constructed where the combos are far less likely to be good enough to assemble. It feels like this was the implementation you use to make Ken Nagle stop talking about it in development meetings.

Flip cards are obviously still fine, but they do feel a slight bit like a version of Monstrous if they just flip for mana. Emerge is pretty good (its a cheaty mechanic so people will like it I think), and Super Entwine is obviously great (even though we haven't seen much with it).

I think it's a good preview, but honestly for meld they should have went strong with it. Emrakul should have been one.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I think it's a good preview, but honestly for meld they should have went strong with it. Emrakul should have been one.

I have a suspicion it was hard to design for. You have to check a LOT of boxes to make a mechanic like that work.

 

[Ashodin]

I have a suspicion it was hard to design for. You have to check a LOT of boxes to make a mechanic like that work.

It could work with Contraptions. "Assemble" might mean put X card + Y card = flip backs into creature. Relevant text is on the bottom.

 

[SigmasonicX]

Personally, I'm a fan of what we've seen so far.

 

[Ashodin]

I'm okay with the set. It's not "HOLY SHIT YES WOOOOOOO" for me like some other people on Twitter, but I'm digging it.

I'm mainly here for the resolved story beats.

• Does Nahiri die?
• Does Sorin die?
• Does Emrakul get imprisoned?
• Does Odric live?
• Will Nahiri get redemption?
• What becomes of the plane in general?

Lots of unanswered questions before we go to Kaladesh (KREEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYGASMMMMMMMMMMM). We might not get them all.

 

[Angry Grimace]

The Silver Moon will imprison Emrakul, I'm sure.

As for the Eldrazi, Emrakul is almost assuredly going to be imprisoned in the moon. The mention of it being made of the same silver as the Helvault was a Chekov's Gun.

 

[Crocodile]

So how exactly does the "Emrakul fucks up the creatures of the plane" thing work exactly? Like it emits radioactive energy that mutates organisms on a cellular level?

 

[Zocano]

So how exactly does the "Emrakul fucks up the creatures of the plane" thing work exactly? Like it emits radioactive energy that mutates organisms on a cellular level?

It's eldritch shit. Just its mere presence fucks up everything biological.

 

[twobear]

flip cards don't count as creatures of the flipped type when they're in your deck, right?

 

[Ozigizo]

Everything feels like it's built around languish being able to handle it. It's kind of stupid.

 

[Santiako]

flip cards don't count as creatures of the flipped type when they're in your deck, right?

If not in play, only the characteristics of the front face count.

 

[red13th]

This art feels really retro. Can totally imagine it in a super old set.

That's true! Thank god they still give Christopher Moeller work.

 

[Ashodin]

Everything feels like it's built around languish being able to handle it. It's kind of stupid.

It really is the only big sweeper in the format outside of five mana wraths.

And once that's gone, we'll be stuck with them.