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Michael Pachter destroys Jason Schreier on Naughty Dog expose...
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Justin9mm
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Anything related to projects e.g. game development, requires a lot of additional crunch time to meet deadlines. It's the same in any industry. It requires persistence and passion for it to be successful and pay off. Anyone who has ever worked in an industry working on a major project knows this. I'ts not a 9-5 clock on and off job.
This whole issue is bullshit, Jason Schreier is bullshit, Michael Pachter is bullshit... It's all bullshit.
People judging the TLOU2 before anyone has ever seen or played the final product is also bullshit. The gaming community is so toxic. I don't like SJW shit in my games either but people complaining before really knowing anything is fuckin ridiculous.. This whole leak debacle is ridiculous.. The amount of threads and discussion on forums, youtube video etc. No one really knows anything.
Someone says one thing made up out of thin air and it's all of sudden real news, saying that it was a disgruntled employee not getting paid because that obviously must fit the bill with Naughty Dog's crunch time! Everyone ate that shit up like candy and then you had all these known gaming youtubers and news sites reporting it like it was live unseen footage!
People need to get a life.
This whole issue is bullshit, Jason Schreier is bullshit, Michael Pachter is bullshit... It's all bullshit.
People judging the TLOU2 before anyone has ever seen or played the final product is also bullshit. The gaming community is so toxic. I don't like SJW shit in my games either but people complaining before really knowing anything is fuckin ridiculous.. This whole leak debacle is ridiculous.. The amount of threads and discussion on forums, youtube video etc. No one really knows anything.
Someone says one thing made up out of thin air and it's all of sudden real news, saying that it was a disgruntled employee not getting paid because that obviously must fit the bill with Naughty Dog's crunch time! Everyone ate that shit up like candy and then you had all these known gaming youtubers and news sites reporting it like it was live unseen footage!
People need to get a life.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
Nah. Culture needs to change. Plenty of divorces from UC4. Lots of talent does leave. 80hr/work weeks for > year is not healthy - even if you are making $200k/yr. That ends up being an underpaid employee @ 40hrs/week. Maybe they should just hire college freshouts that are single. That way they can compete with each other and can work 24hr/day with no families. I've interviewed with some of the top gaming companies in the industry and 100% of the time they are completely arrogant and have a take it or leave it mentality. They also encourage a competitive environment so that the hardest workers get to keep their job after the game ships. They also do R&D off the cuff and while they are developing the game. They don't support a true R&D environment for a handful of developers that will innovate and pave the way for future engine development. This isn't all of them, but it's certainly a LOT of them.
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VAVA Mk2
Member
Yeah he is a joke. How does he still have a job and why do people consider him an analyst if he consistently is wrong?
VAVA Mk2
Member
Yup. The guy is a fraud. I am completely dumbfounded why he still has a job as an analyst for the industry based on how much he gets wrong.
Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
How isn't that illegal here in UK 48 hours is the legal limit. Dam didn't know companies where doing that.
Nintendo was suppose to be put of business and the wii was gonna fail....
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VFXVeteran
Banned
Salaried employee vs. hourly employee. Salaried can work any number of hours/day without getting paid OT.
Shmunter
Member
He even hosts E3 after parties for all the big wigs. So yes, right.
Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
Work eat sleep no time for time for anything, don't understand how this happening. probably not limited gaming industry though.
Bloody Knuckles
Banned
Clickbait thread is worse than a youtube video....
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Watching two attention whores argue in a public forum so that they can get attention from thirsty gamers seeking affirmation of their own beliefs is quite something.
This stinks of that Nick Canon/Eminem dis track nonsense. It's the alien versus predator of video games. No matter who wins we lose.
This stinks of that Nick Canon/Eminem dis track nonsense. It's the alien versus predator of video games. No matter who wins we lose.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Thank you
!Also, once you factor commute and cost of living, in some regions like SoCal, even the insane sounding salaries feel incredibly weird: I saw an ad for a Sr. Developer at Netflix quoted at $350-450k a year... sounds insane until you look at house prices and cost of living there lol.
Paracelsus
Member
I would actually pay to have a staff roll comparison from The Witcher 1 and 2 to Cyberpunk 2077.
Azurro
Banned
That's the reason I never did game development and stuck to doing software dev for ERP systems and then fintech companies. Fuck going to work for 80 hours a week for months on end, it's not mentally healthy.
However, it will not change anytime soon, you have fresh meat out of universities every year whose dream is to work on the next Halo, Call of Duty, God of War, so companies just hire them, use them, burn them out and then get a new one.
Shmunter
Member
The no R&D is surprising with how much praise the ICE 'team' receives
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
ICE does not just support ND and I would be curious how it is formed today in terms of members. It is actually quite common to do R&D as people develop their app or game, not the best, but common.
If they still follow the method, the pre production phase making vertical slices is a mix of R&D and full scale polish.
Optimistic Gamer
Member
I have no idea how mods have not yet edited the title...
Shmunter
Member
They did, there was a Y missing on Naughty
Bloody Knuckles
Banned
We have enough morons here already why add to the pile
The problem is that you often don't know the culture of the company until you've worked there. Finding another job may take you out of the frying pan and into the fire. It's not like you can ask "Do you crunch" at the interview. If they really like you but they do they would say "no it's a great environment". If they do and they don't like you they would say "Thanks for coming, we'll call you".
Crunch isn't something that is openly advertised. You have to rely on disgruntled employees on glass door. A job is like a relationship to a lot of people.
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fvng
Member
Kinda lame that Pachter is saying unhealthy work conditions come with the territory because you're in the big leagues now. Otherwise find another job. I think we can do better than that.
Just because heart attacks and strokes are acceptable in high stakes finance doesn't mean it should be present elsewhere. This isn't a Wall Street gig
Just because heart attacks and strokes are acceptable in high stakes finance doesn't mean it should be present elsewhere. This isn't a Wall Street gig
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Mista
Banned
Did he say anything wrong though? No. We all crunch, I crunch. Is it necessary? No. Does it happen? Yes. Never complained about it like a little bitch. I work for 12 hours a shift and sometimes I go up to 15-16 a shift. A man got to make a living, not going to complain.
fvng
Member
ok tough guy over here calling people bitches for not handling a stressful work environment. Just because you endure it doesn't mean it's healthy.
Mista
Banned
Has nothing to do with being a “tough guy” and I never said its healthy. This is life, not everything goes how we want. Don’t make a fuss about it snowflake
fvng
Member
lol you're just going full cringe calling people bitches and snowflakes. Thoroughly enjoying your attempts to come off as a resilient tough guy here. ok bro we get it
Mista
Banned
Optimistic Gamer
Member
That's how Mista is. You won't change them. Just read over it, helps a lot
martino
Member
This is not an immutable fatality
It's a choice to complain about it and fight for it to change.
until then this apply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_Voluntary_Servitude
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Mista
Banned
Sometimes you can’t. In my field of work we can’t because we simply can’t control it. If you can then good for you, ask for it.
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Mista
Banned
You don’t know me. LolThat's how Mista is. You won't change them. Just read over it, helps a lot
Being honest all the time and straightforward is bad in todays standard. What a joke
fvng
Member
Oh but you calling me a “tough guy” because you didn’t like what I said is fine? Typical
Not because I don't like what you're saying it's because you're being a try hard that's trying to prove to everyone that others are weaker than you. You're too much cringe for one day, have a nice day
That's how Mista is. You won't change them. Just read over it, helps a lot
Lesson learned lol
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Mista
Banned
What I said was very clear yet you wanted to feel this way. I’d rather be cringe for saying the truth than an absolute baby that cries whenever life throws an obstacle at them. Good bye
martino
Member
I don't know your context
What i see in mine is that boundaries in which this is possible are changing and not in the right direction IMO.
Mista
Banned
I work in the airport, in the hangar to be specific. We can't control planes arriving late and have them packed all over the air
Thats why I said in my case we can't control it.
Optimistic Gamer
Member
I "know" you good enough to know that you like being a bit edgy and if somebody bites on the bait you'll heavily engage into the following conversation about you. I just think that cultivating that behavior leads to what's happening here: No discussion on topic. Nobody wants to read this.
Crunch is inevitable on any big project, it is part of the structure, time is money, and if you aren't up to it, then you are going to keep switching between companies or should go for smaller projects instead.
The thing is when the management is pure wacko and decides to almost reboot the project at 20-35%, making it beyond the deadline and due to the constant changes with zero care for it, making most of the development time into the final project being based on crunch. This is what i've understood that was happening at ND and was causing huge turnouts.
I've read from both Schreier and that former animator that many veterans left ND and they started to hire much more younger people in the industry that had to be trained for weeks or even months.
The thing is when the management is pure wacko and decides to almost reboot the project at 20-35%, making it beyond the deadline and due to the constant changes with zero care for it, making most of the development time into the final project being based on crunch. This is what i've understood that was happening at ND and was causing huge turnouts.
I've read from both Schreier and that former animator that many veterans left ND and they started to hire much more younger people in the industry that had to be trained for weeks or even months.
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martino
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fvng
Member
total clickbait headline
IYAOYAS2019
Member
ok bud...
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
A compromise, maybe: Politely destroys?
kuncol02
Banned
Starlight Lotice
Member
I was expecting a Jaspn vs Freddy fight on the video but left disappointed.
They both have enemies here but it is nice to know that Patcher respects Jason's opinion despite disagreeing with it whilst giving his own.
That is how debates work in the real world. You agree and disagree but at the same time you listen to one another.
I hope Jason does a video in a similar fashion, counteracting Michael's opinion with his own.
They both have enemies here but it is nice to know that Patcher respects Jason's opinion despite disagreeing with it whilst giving his own.
That is how debates work in the real world. You agree and disagree but at the same time you listen to one another.
I hope Jason does a video in a similar fashion, counteracting Michael's opinion with his own.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's so weird to see so many people all of a sudden love Pachter now. This really is just console wars nowadays.
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