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[Embearded]

I am sorry but i am amazed that the only options around for MS is either to spend competition out of business or go third party and offer only GP.

They are spending around 70 billions for a long term move which with their current proposal will start to be fully controlled by them in 15 years.

How much time and momey is rewuired to open 4 new studios and start with single player games, the kind their competitors are offering and are considered system sellers.

This is what we should be asking as consumers. No buyouts, no out of business, but organic growth for every platform holder.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

I am sorry but i am amazed that the only options around for MS is either to spend competition out of business or go third party and offer only GP.

They are spending around 70 billions for a long term move which with their current proposal will start to be fully controlled by them in 15 years.

How much time and momey is rewuired to open 4 new studios and start with single player games, the kind their competitors are offering and are considered system sellers.

This is what we should be asking as consumers. No buyouts, no out of business, but organic growth for every platform holder.

Nah, I have for more interest in what MS are doing these days instead of chasing what Sony/Nintendo do for walled garden solo games.

MS/Xbox is a different beast, it has wings to spread.

 

[Embearded]

Nah, I have for more interest in what MS are doing these days instead of chasing what Sony/Nintendo do for walled garden solo games.

MS/Xbox is a different beast, it has wings to spread.

And what is it that they do, relative to games and gameplay?

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

And what is it that they do, relative to games and gameplay?

How about the 6,000 devs in over 60 countries with ID @ Xbox enjoying billions in their pockets and keeping talent making what they want and growing? There's an ever growing list of games there; It Takes Two, Grounded, The Ascent, Cuphead etc.

How about crossplay push?

Also see my post above.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I am sorry but i am amazed that the only options around for MS is either to spend competition out of business or go third party and offer only GP.

They are spending around 70 billions for a long term move which with their current proposal will start to be fully controlled by them in 15 years.

How much time and momey is rewuired to open 4 new studios and start with single player games, the kind their competitors are offering and are considered system sellers.

This is what we should be asking as consumers. No buyouts, no out of business, but organic growth for every platform holder.

Microsoft is fundamentally not a creative company nor are they are media and entertainment company. They are simply not capable of doing what you are proposing.

The ONLY options for a monopolist are monopolize or exit. That's just how it is when you're a monopolist. When you only have a hammer, every problem is treated as a nail. And monopolists have really big hammers. We saw this with Windows and Office. We saw it with Internet Explorer. We saw it with Zune. We saw it with HD DVD. We saw it with Windows Mobile/Phone. And we're seeing it with Xbox. If MS cannot monopolize gaming with Xbox, I can guarantee you they will exit gaming just as they did with Zune, HD DVD, and Windows Phone. Technically they exited Internet Explorer too but are still pushing on with Edge even though no one uses it. That one's a head scratcher.

 

[Three]

Nah, I have for more interest in what MS are doing these days instead of chasing what Sony/Nintendo do for walled garden solo games.

MS/Xbox is a different beast, it has wings to spread.

How about the 6,000 devs in over 60 countries with ID @ Xbox enjoying billions in their pockets and keeping talent making what they want and growing? There's an ever growing list of games there; It Takes Two, Grounded, The Ascent, Cuphead etc.

How about crossplay push?

Also see my post above.

You think Nintendo and Sony don't have an indie program? How many indie games do you think made it big on PS? Zero do you think?
Some of the biggest games came out of PS indie funding too. Try Rocket league for one, Fall guys another.

What has It Takes Two got to do with MS or Indie btw? It's published by EA on all platforms.

 

[ulantan]

How about the 6,000 devs in over 60 countries with ID @ Xbox enjoying billions in their pockets and keeping talent making what they want and growing? There's an ever growing list of games there; It Takes Two, Grounded, The Ascent, Cuphead etc.

How about crossplay push?

Also see my post above.

Do...do you think Microsoft is the only company that is making games...is this an ad?

 

[Embearded]

How about the 6,000 devs in over 60 countries with ID @ Xbox enjoying billions in their pockets and keeping talent making what they want and growing? There's an ever growing list of games there; It Takes Two, Grounded, The Ascent, Cuphead etc.

How about crossplay push?

Also see my post above.

Does that work on its own without buying publishers?
And sorry but It Takes Two? Wasn't that funded by EA?

Microsoft is fundamentally not a creative company nor are they are media and entertainment company. They are simply not capable of doing what you are proposing.

The ONLY options for a monopolist are monopolize or exit. That's just how it is when you're a monopolist. When you only have a hammer, every problem is treated as a nail. And monopolists have really big hammers. We saw this with Windows and Office. We saw it with Internet Explorer. We saw it with Zune. We saw it with HD DVD. We saw it with Windows Mobile/Phone. And we're seeing it with Xbox. If MS cannot monopolize gaming with Xbox, I can guarantee you they will exit gaming just as they did with Zune, HD DVD, and Windows Phone. Technically they exited Internet Explorer too but are still pushing on with Edge even though no one uses it. That one's a head scratcher.

I cannot believe that MS, or any other company in the Industry cannot be creative. All they need is the correct mindset in the steering wheel.

 

[SodaZA]

I cannot believe that MS, or any other company in the Industry cannot be creative. All they need is the correct mindset in the steering wheel.

Steve Jobs said it best “The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products,”

They tend to not have the correct mindset at the steering wheel

 

[GHG]

Do...do you think Microsoft is the only company that is making games...is this an ad?

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Do...do you think Microsoft is the only company that is making games...is this an ad?

Why would I think that? Ridiculous.

 

[ulantan]

Why would I think that? Ridiculous.

But how is your stament different than what Sony or Nintendo are doing?

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Does that work on its own without buying publishers?
And sorry but It Takes Two? Wasn't that funded by EA?

Sure they're different audiences or market segments/demographics or dev relationships or business contracts etc. It's not a binary choice, they can compliment each other and more.

Believe MS funded some platform versions for It Takes Two. You could just as easily say big games like Ori or Forza etc.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's pretty weird to read about regulators opposing the deal wanting more competition and innovation but having complete blinders on where or how that competition emerges.

It's not just the games being made, it's the tech, the platforms and more. Which gaming platform company is more risk friendly? MS, Nintendo, Sony, Tencent, Steam, Apple, Google, other?

To me MS had the balls to enter the console business, decades of PC support, push console online broadband required, multiplayer/matchmaking, a cohesive ecosystem, Kinect (games sucked, tech was awsome), support for parents and monitoring, hololens, party chat quality, app integration...Windows has had DOS games, direct X, certified drivers program, massive hardware support etc.

Current day we see Gamepass, crossplay, ergo controllers, Adaptive controller, xCloud, ID @ Xbox and more. Devs, indies, studios, publishers are overwhelmingly in support; financially and greenlit games/talent.

It's a pretty damning perspective when you consider what Apple, Google, Amazon, Sony have done historically. Nintendo at least have really beaten their own drum, mad respect. Steam has much of the same love over the decades, respect.

What are regulators thinking when Google invested fuck all and drop kicked a division right quick? What are they thinking when they're directly responsible for Apple dominating a duopoly through shit vision?

Compared to MS staying power of PC, windows, Direct X, Xbox etc. Let alone unifying and opening gaming further and cheaper for devs and gamers alike. I welcome this purchase, pretty disappointed with what the regulators focus on. They could provide a framework for industry but it's really hindrance at this point.

I don’t know about more risk friendly but MS is definitely the most risk adverse. A lot of the tech parts you mentioned were started elsewhere, and their games are so safe they’re trying to purchase popular IP’s so they don’t have to create their own from scratch.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

How about the 6,000 devs in over 60 countries with ID @ Xbox enjoying billions in their pockets and keeping talent making what they want and growing? There's an ever growing list of games there; It Takes Two, Grounded, The Ascent, Cuphead etc.

How about crossplay push?

Also see my post above.

This has to be AI or trolling. I can't believe a real person wrote this post.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

This has to be AI or trolling. I can't believe a real person worte this post.

WTF? You take issue with ID @ Xbox? How is having a brilliant track record and the factuals behind it a troll? Enlighten me.

 

[Godot25]

I am sorry but i am amazed that the only options around for MS is either to spend competition out of business or go third party and offer only GP.

They are spending around 70 billions for a long term move which with their current proposal will start to be fully controlled by them in 15 years.

How much time and momey is rewuired to open 4 new studios and start with single player games, the kind their competitors are offering and are considered system sellers.

This is what we should be asking as consumers. No buyouts, no out of business, but organic growth for every platform holder.

Don't be naive.

In time when AAA game takes 5 years to make you want to invest in building AAA studios?
Did you saw what happened with The Initiative? That studio was created in 2018 and we are still waiting for their first game. And it's not just The Initiative. Plenty of studios were created since 2018 with no end in sight for development of their games.

Establishing new studios by console manufacturers made sense at the time when you could made entire trilogy of games during one console generation (360/PS3 era). Not now.
Even Sony understands that. That's why they are not creating new studios, but they let studios be created and bought it out (Firewalk, Firesprite, Haven etc.)

 

[mitchman]

It's pretty weird to read about regulators opposing the deal wanting more competition and innovation but having complete blinders on where or how that competition emerges.

It's not just the games being made, it's the tech, the platforms and more. Which gaming platform company is more risk friendly? MS, Nintendo, Sony, Tencent, Steam, Apple, Google, other?

To me MS had the balls to enter the console business, decades of PC support, push console online broadband required, multiplayer/matchmaking, a cohesive ecosystem, Kinect (games sucked, tech was awsome), support for parents and monitoring, hololens, party chat quality, app integration...Windows has had DOS games, direct X, certified drivers program, massive hardware support etc.

Current day we see Gamepass, crossplay, ergo controllers, Adaptive controller, xCloud, ID @ Xbox and more. Devs, indies, studios, publishers are overwhelmingly in support; financially and greenlit games/talent.

It's a pretty damning perspective when you consider what Apple, Google, Amazon, Sony have done historically. Nintendo at least have really beaten their own drum, mad respect. Steam has much of the same love over the decades, respect.

What are regulators thinking when Google invested fuck all and drop kicked a division right quick? What are they thinking when they're directly responsible for Apple dominating a duopoly through shit vision?

Compared to MS staying power of PC, windows, Direct X, Xbox etc. Let alone unifying and opening gaming further and cheaper for devs and gamers alike. I welcome this purchase, pretty disappointed with what the regulators focus on. They could provide a framework for industry but it's really hindrance at this point.

MS also has a long history of abusing their monopoly position to force competitors out. It's not that long ago since the DoJ surveillance of MS ended, and even less time since MS had to pay a EUR 2bn fine to the EU for breaking the anti-trust "browser choice" screen. So there is a history here which no doubt plays into this whole story.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

WTF? You take issue with ID @ Xbox? How is having a brilliant track record and the factuals behind it a troll? Enlighten me.

It's an ad in a thread that has nothing to do Xbox @ ID and has no post before yours referencing it. Only thing missing was the ™

 

[PaintTinJr]

WTF? You take issue with ID @ Xbox? How is having a brilliant track record and the factuals behind it a troll? Enlighten me.

In the context of this discussion of Microsoft not spending $70b on ID @ Xbox type games, how do you think the collective consumer worth of ID @ Xbox measures up to all the games/IP owned by Activision that aren't CoD, WoW, Diablo, and that when push came to shove Jim signed a contract with Microsoft for just 10 more years of CoD on PlayStation at the expense of losing all those others?

We all love games from the 8bit and 16bit era that the output of programmes like ID @ Xbox generate as new remixes with new innovative takes, but you couldn't launch a console with that as the only offering, or even as the main offering. It is also just a trojan horse to lock less technical devs into Microsoft OS centric APIs and tools, so they are beholden to Microsoft and Xbox. The programme's entire worth is probably significantly more for those that main Xbox than gamers in the rest of the console market.

 

[DJ12]

Jobs said it best.

 

[Bernardougf]

Two clearly ADs post in two pages ... you guys never learn

 

[graywolf323]

It's pretty weird to read about regulators opposing the deal wanting more competition and innovation but having complete blinders on where or how that competition emerges.

It's not just the games being made, it's the tech, the platforms and more. Which gaming platform company is more risk friendly? MS, Nintendo, Sony, Tencent, Steam, Apple, Google, other?

To me MS had the balls to enter the console business, decades of PC support, push console online broadband required, multiplayer/matchmaking, a cohesive ecosystem, Kinect (games sucked, tech was awsome), support for parents and monitoring, hololens, party chat quality, app integration...Windows has had DOS games, direct X, certified drivers program, massive hardware support etc.

Current day we see Gamepass, crossplay, ergo controllers, Adaptive controller, xCloud, ID @ Xbox and more. Devs, indies, studios, publishers are overwhelmingly in support; financially and greenlit games/talent.

It's a pretty damning perspective when you consider what Apple, Google, Amazon, Sony have done historically. Nintendo at least have really beaten their own drum, mad respect. Steam has much of the same love over the decades, respect.

What are regulators thinking when Google invested fuck all and drop kicked a division right quick? What are they thinking when they're directly responsible for Apple dominating a duopoly through shit vision?

Compared to MS staying power of PC, windows, Direct X, Xbox etc. Let alone unifying and opening gaming further and cheaper for devs and gamers alike. I welcome this purchase, pretty disappointed with what the regulators focus on. They could provide a framework for industry but it's really hindrance at this point.

How about the 6,000 devs in over 60 countries with ID @ Xbox enjoying billions in their pockets and keeping talent making what they want and growing? There's an ever growing list of games there; It Takes Two, Grounded, The Ascent, Cuphead etc.

How about crossplay push?

Also see my post above.

why do your posts read like they came straight from Xbox’s PR/marketing?

also wtf does It Takes Two have to do with it? that was EA not Xbox, why are you giving them credit for an indie game they weren’t even involved with?

 

[GHG]

Why would I think that? Ridiculous.

Yes, it is indeed ridiculous to post pathetic ads on behalf of a multi-trillion dollar corporation, but you do you.

Wouldn't be the first time you've done it in this thread either.

 

[adamsapple]

Why would anyone say negative about ID @ Xbox. Bringing great games from independent publishers to Xbox. · Discover your next favorite indie game.

 

[GHG]

Why would anyone say negative about ID @ Xbox. Bringing great games from independent publishers to Xbox. · Discover your next favorite indie game.

Adam, I know you have to be trolling with this shit.

 

[gooner4life_uk]

How about crossplay push?

They had no choice but to push Crossplay, turn off crossplay on Call of Duty Warzone or COD MW2, Fortnite, any game really and you won't get a game on Xbox, turn it off on PlayStation and you get a full lobby in seconds, I've tried it many times.

 

[skit_data]

Tom Warren is "leaking" a lot of Xbox related stuff atm, some of it seems to belong in this thread:

 

[harry mason 1989]

So
What will happen if this deal gets blocked again by the cma

 

[Bernardougf]

Speaking of indies, have you guys watched the latest State Of Play ?? The broadcast did focus on updates to previously announced games coming to PlayStation consoles. From indie and PS VR2 highlights, to major upcoming titles from third-party partners, sony latest show has something for everyone!

At PlayStation, their vision is to be the best place to play, and publish, great games. And because there are thousands of developers and publishers all around the world constantly making great games, Sony,s team has their work cut out for them.

I hope you can take time and check out a diverse selection of upcoming games!



/this totally isnt an PR ad by the way.. I swear

 

[adamsapple]

Adam, I know you have to be trolling with this shit.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

Steve Jobs said it best “The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products,”

They tend to not have the correct mindset at the steering wheel

Normally, seeing Steve Jobs quotes annoys me to no end. In this case, though, I agree and think he has a good point.

 

[GHG]

 

[graywolf323]

showing off those tongue skills that earned you your tag?

 

[MDSLKTR]

Prepare for a new buzzword on twitter

 

[Three]

Prepare for a new buzzword on twitter

They used that buzzword already and I suspect that's where it originated from.

 

[Ogbert]

I have no idea what force bundling means, but whichever prick put U2 on my iPhone needs to go to Guantanamo.

 

[DeepEnigma]

How about the 6,000 devs in over 60 countries with ID @ Xbox enjoying billions in their pockets and keeping talent making what they want and growing? There's an ever growing list of games there; It Takes Two, Grounded, The Ascent, Cuphead etc.

How about crossplay push?

Also see my post above.

 

[SCB3]

Prepare for a new buzzword on twitter

Wasn't that just due to low supply for non Bundled consoles at the time?

 

[Embearded]

Don't be naive.

In time when AAA game takes 5 years to make you want to invest in building AAA studios?
Did you saw what happened with The Initiative? That studio was created in 2018 and we are still waiting for their first game. And it's not just The Initiative. Plenty of studios were created since 2018 with no end in sight for development of their games.

Establishing new studios by console manufacturers made sense at the time when you could made entire trilogy of games during one console generation (360/PS3 era). Not now.
Even Sony understands that. That's why they are not creating new studios, but they let studios be created and bought it out (Firewalk, Firesprite, Haven etc.)

You don't start with AAA studios, just like Firewalk, Firesprite and Haven aren't AAA.
They are not going to be AAA as they don't have a product to demonstrate their work so you are not providing AAA budget.

The Initiative is not the perfect example due to covid and they also had some internal problems, didn't they?

I am not saying it's easy, what i am saying is that it will be cheaper than 70B and has more to offer to consumers as a move than playing the games they were gonna play anyway.

 

[Banjo64]

So
What will happen if this deal gets blocked again by the cma

Have you ever seen it when America rolls up on a third world shanty town with a super-carrier?

Something akin to that.

 

[Bernoulli]

Do they usually announce the break-up fee increase?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wow, Tom Warren, recycled news from months ago. And Chris Deering has not been with Sony since 2005.

Sony Europe boss quits

Mr Playstation, Chris Deering, quits

www.theregister.com

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Wow, Tom Warren, recycled news from months ago. And Chris Deering has not beenwith Sony since 2005.

Sony Europe boss quits

Mr Playstation, Chris Deering, quits

www.theregister.com

I figured this email was known but the way Tom posted it was like it was something new and I can't keep up with what we knew here and what we don't

 

[DeepEnigma]

I figured this email was known but the way Tom posted it was like it was something new and I can't keep up with what we knew here and what we don't

He's a ripe shill cunt, that one. Trying to damage control the new MS emails coming out today.

This was known since June, and he knows it.

https://www.neogaf.com/search/3865195/?q=Chris+Deering&t=post&c[thread]=1641775&o=relevance

He was the one ot post it and tried calling it a "bombshell." Dude is pathetic.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I have no idea what force bundling means, but whichever prick put U2 on my iPhone needs to go to Guantanamo.

I got force bundled that Ghostbusters 2016 movie on my Vudu account.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Tom Warren...

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Slow news day huh?

Looks like CMA taking their sweet ass time

 

[DeepEnigma]

I got force bundled that Ghostbusters 2016 movie on my Vudu account.

Man, I wish we can delete movie licenses.