64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Hard agree. If we can get the same ownership privileges on digital as physical, consoles going digital only wouldn't be a problem
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Microsoft also shut down departments dedicated to bringing Xbox games to physical retail
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devilNprada
Member
Great post..
The home console feature is REALLY important to me. It is really a benefit to buying digital vs physical games when you have a two console household.
It's concerning the original Xbox one all digital plan did not include that.
Consumers have to shape this all digital licensing world. We cannot allow MS to; as we already know how that will go.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Mr Moose
Member
That's including hardware and all of the other shit. Article is clickbait, physical is 33% of all game sales.No way
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Tams
Member
Activate quote 2.
The saddest thing is, the person who made that slide is almost certainly not one of the ones who just got made redundant.
I wish I had such a cushy job.
GHG
Gold Member
No way
Why don't you post the source of the article instead of a screenshot of the headline?
Mr Moose
Member
Clickbait bullshit article.
Physical Games Represented Just 4% of Sales for PlayStation Last Quarter
The only category down year-on-year
www.pushsquare.com
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GHG
Gold Member
Clickbait bullshit article.
Physical is 1/3 of all games.Physical Games Represented Just 4% of Sales for PlayStation Last Quarter
The only category down year-on-year
Ah so that was an attempt by
twilo99
to spread misinformation through disingenuous means. Par for the course, straight out of the riky, darkmage etc playbook.
The names change, but everything else stays the same.
Killjoy-NL
Member
This was 4% revenue for Q2 2023.No way
The same article mentioned a 68/33 split, Digital vs Physical, for actual copies sold.
Physical Games Represented Just 4% of Sales for PlayStation Last Quarter
The only category down year-on-year
www.pushsquare.com
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I see this has already been corrected above.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Ah so that was an attempt by
Par for the course, straight out of the riky, darkmage etc playbook.
The names change, but everything else stays the same.
Thats what console warriors do. They never want you to access everything because then you find out the truth.
thismeinteil
Member
I hope they just release the exact same video, but just scratch out PS4 and shittily write PS6 above it.
twilo99
Member
Ah so that was an attempt by
Par for the course, straight out of the riky, darkmage etc playbook.
The names change, but everything else stays the same.
I actually wrote the article too but I underestimated the detective skills of GaF so now I’m exposed… my career here is over
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Physical is actually around 50% for mainline games for PS5. And yeah, the 4% includes everything including hardware, subs, and so on.
GHG
Gold Member
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Clickbait bullshit article.
Physical is 1/3 of all games.Physical Games Represented Just 4% of Sales for PlayStation Last Quarter
The only category down year-on-year
Ok, this is proof I should pay no attention to what that user posts.Ah so that was an attempt by
Par for the course, straight out of the riky, darkmage etc playbook.
The names change, but everything else stays the same.
Thanks for this.
Klayzer
Member
Why are a lot of Xbox nation so dishonest? Misinformation, Sonytoo, and straight up lies, is all you usually get out of any discussion with them.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Probably because it's easier to act like Sony is in trouble as well, then having to admit that those who said all this would happen were right.
After all, for years they've been accusing everyone of being Playstation fanboys with fanboy fantasies of Xbox dying.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
If this was a thread about console or software sales generally, sure. Xbox is clearly 3rd place. Thats not what this thread is even about.
This is about rates of digital sales for each system. They make 30% more money on digital sales. Saying Sony will go digital as well isnt about anyone "being in trouble." Sony sells a ton of software. Imagine how much they would get on +30% on 20 million seller games. Anyone predicting Sony will also try to shift to digital as soon as they can is saying Sony will be making way more money when they do that. It would also eliminate used sales. They would be even more dominant, not less.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Yeah, poor wording on my part.
Should've been #SonyToo for this particular topic.
But I think you get the gist of it.
Also, a significant percentage of sales for Sony games are still physical.
That article mentioned 33%.
It has also been pointed out that according to the Insomniac leaks, Sony game sales are about 60% physical, or something like that.
There's a reason why the vast majority of PS5 sales are the Disc Edition and why Sony released a detachable disc-drive for PS5 Digital.
Revenue is an entirely different subject.
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beyond that, the physical is only the first-party wholesale and third-party royalties, so 80% of physical sales revenue and probably ~20% of third-party sales revenue
whereas digital is 100% of both first and third-party
and then the 33 to 66 split is the 100 or so games available at retail vs the thousands of games on the digital store
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Easily the worse that's been around multiple generations.
They make Sega who has done some questionable things look like saints.
We need another better option.
FunkMiller
Banned
You're not wrong. A good majority of people who work in senior marketing and communications for major corporations like Microsoft are in those posts because daddy plays golf with the CEO. I have met and had to work with some frighteningly stupid individuals in my time, and without fail each and every one of the fucking idiots have been nepotism hires. You can chart how badly a company is going to fail by how many of these kinds of people it has working for them.
One of the reasons I left the massive, greed fuelled corpo I was with and went freelance was because I could not fucking stand to be around those dipshits anymore. There are some genuinely talented people working in big business in comms and marketing, but most of them have to work underneath bottom feeding morons, who have zero talent, zero creativity, and maximum job security, because daddy lets the CEO beat them on hole 18.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Wonder what everyone is going to do when sony reveals the real.master plan on the detachable optical drive, shipping only units without out it. Then, a couple years later, phases out the optical drive. Will everyone turn in sony?
Also this talk about "another" console company to come in and "save" us from the evil ms, just exactly what exclusive games would they have to compete with sony?
I mean if Apple, Google, and Amazon where to join forces and unleash the best console the earth has ever seen, it would still have zero exclusive games and die a slow painful death.
Also this talk about "another" console company to come in and "save" us from the evil ms, just exactly what exclusive games would they have to compete with sony?
I mean if Apple, Google, and Amazon where to join forces and unleash the best console the earth has ever seen, it would still have zero exclusive games and die a slow painful death.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Do not worry, the more we get closer and closer to a digital only future it will start to affect you too. Will wait for crocodile tears then
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Killjoy-NL
Member
#SonyToo
PaintTinJr
Member
I think you are massively overlooking how and why PlayStation originally grew the console market. The used games help sell consoles and peripherals, and new games too, all over the world in much poorer countries, and Sony by this point in a generation is making excellent margin on everything except the used game initial sale, which is effectively a marketing budget kickback where stores make 100% and are pro-PlayStation stockists because of it helping sell DLC, subs, consoles and peripherals.
The all digital future has far more pitfalls for Sony and Nintendo than say companies like Microsoft, Apple, Google or Amazon. Until Sony's PlayStation has a generation-less store presence on PC like a Valve or Epic, or Sony is the worth of a Google/Amazon to afford the marketing costs to go it completely alone in a full digital setup IMO they will continue to respect the importance of physical media being the primary means of marketing beyond the 10-20m enthusiast market. where physically being present in a shop in a town/city is a cyclical badge of product success and consumer desirability that drive sales forward.
DeVeAn
Member
I just don’t care that much. If there is some game I wanna play bad enough I’ll find a wayDo not worry, the more we get closer and closer to a digital only future it will start to affect you too. Will wait for crocodile tears then
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Digital sales and discounts happen because cheaper physical games are available to buy. If physical is no longer an option, digital discounts will become rare and extremely awful in a closed ecosystem.I just don’t care that much. If there is some game I wanna play bad enough I’ll find a way
I'm 100% digital right now, but I'd never be okay with physical going away.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
The physical vs digital issue goes beyond videogames. That exec from Ubisoft said it loud and clear: they want to educate people on paying for vaporware. And this is part of a larger scheme led by governments and megacorps who want us to "own nothing and be happy". Property is just the first of many individual rights they want to take away from us. Nobody in their right mind should support this or even be neutral.
And no, NFTs, streaming services, cloud, IA, and whatever else media shills are pushing for as "the inevitable future you can do nothing but accept it" should not be taken at face value. When they so eagerly promote something, it's a clear indication that common people should go in the opposite direction.
And no, NFTs, streaming services, cloud, IA, and whatever else media shills are pushing for as "the inevitable future you can do nothing but accept it" should not be taken at face value. When they so eagerly promote something, it's a clear indication that common people should go in the opposite direction.
bitbydeath
Member
I wonder what happens when MS leaves console gaming, will fanboyism disappear overnight? We know most are paid out of pocket by Microsoft to stir controversy in their fight to stay relevant.
At least we’ll know their legacy.
MS: focuses so heavily on Series S, sent XSX to data centers, leaks about a revision of the XSX with no disc drive.
Sony: focused so heavily on the disc version, made a revision with a detachable disc drive.
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Sony will probably phase out a disc drive when they get to the point MS is right now with physical game sales. Since they arent there yet.... Also some ppl already turned on Sony for needing the drive to be activated by consumers.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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xrnzaaas
Member
Fortunately I don't think it's going to happen that fast with Sony. Their subscription is different to GP and you don't get their big titles on day1 (which makes buying them obsolete), their AAA games cost a ton of money in the PS Store which pushes people to buying used copies, and also there aren't good tricks to get Deluxe/Premium cheaper like with Game Pass and outside stores selling redeem codes.
Tams
Member
Yeah, Sony, who are also in the entertainment industry, are just going to throw away having the largest install base of Blu-ray players by far...
Shake Your Rump
Banned
A transferable license. Until platform holders allow us to transfer licenses, I am buying discs. I don’t care if any game data is on this disc at this point. I simply want to retain the right to lend/gift/sell the game.
Kenpachii
Member
They won't valve made sure of that with rental licenses.
The way they will push for digital only is simple next generation, they will release a PS6 all digital, and have a optional disc player to connect and phase discs out over the generation and blame physical stores like wallmart etc for it, because they are removing the games from there places anyway. Then the end of the PS6 is going to be digital only with a revamp.
Same for xbox but they are going to force it already because shops are already culling there games from the storefront.
What console gamers really have to worry about is the insane overpriced games on sony's and ms storefronts, it could very well mean they price themselves completely out of the market and eventually stagnate hard. Microsoft can dodge this because of gamepass and just dropping a super cheap next gen console that's digital only ( aka gamepass box ).
I would suggest for sony to start making a gamepass competitor.
The reason why steam games aren't 100 bucks by now, is because it has endless content but also because piracy keeps the market in line. U ask to much people aint paying for it or pirate, so u got to ask a price people are willing to pay.
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Agree. Especially the day one 1st party games.
I think some ppl forget what these companies do outside of gaming. Sony has no reason to get of rid of physical anytime soon.
Some ppl just cant accept that MS has to do this. Its not them being ahead of the industry, MS even caused this themselves with the push with Game Pass and the Series S.
Some ppl need to just accept it and let it go.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
No, see these are logical arguments. Why bother following logic or reading an article beyond its “Physical Sales are 10%” headline?
You can just say SonyToo, NintendoToo and make up some bullshit.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
The weak crutch of the internet keyboard warrior - instead of having and sort of effectual argument or point whatsoever, call anyone who has any sort of option that differs a shill for the company in question. This all regardless of the objectivity of the poster in question. Massively lame, impressively dumb.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Ah yes, here we go with the tiny amount of units they sent to the data centers vs what they shipped overall to consumers bs again. It was like 5% for a very short period of time.
The revision of series X makes perfect sense as it cuts costs and by most accounts Xbox customers where buying games digital already.
Make no mistake, Sony focused heavily on the disc version because it cost them $30 more to make and they were selling it for $100 more. It allowed them to advertise the ps5 at a lower point while building hardly any stock. The digital was a unicorn for a long time for a reason.
People turning on Sony for activation of the drive isn't the same thing at all as taking it away completely, and they happily got over it in 5 mins.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
That pie is shrinking so fast they won't even press the disks soon, and they don't care. No pressing costs, no extra inventories, shipping costs.
Won't care at all.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Why would they? Their strategy actually works.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
This is pathetic.
Don't do this to yourself. Your internet street cred can't survive this.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Let's all collectively protest against Microsoft right now, instead of defending them on this. We'll do the same if or when Sony does that. No point in deflecting the now with whataboutism.
Sounds good?
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
My position on physical media has never been about Sony vs ms, I've always been on the side of not caring, I've been all digital for many years as I think the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
You guys go ahead and protest in both cases.