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[ResilientBanana]

There is zero sense to build a next gen console of any sort if you lose your digital library and especially the silly notion of it not playing Xbox games.

That's just a PC and they aren't doing that.

As of today I would bet ALOT of money on that

I have a West Coast trip coming up to open the Baseball season and catching up with a lot of old friends inside and outside of Baseball and should get a much better idea of what's going on after that trip as having a few dinners with some gaming friends out there

uh, can I come

 

[IntentionalPun]

There is zero sense to build a next gen console of any sort if you lose your digital library and especially the silly notion of it not playing Xbox games.

That's just a PC and they aren't doing that.

As of today I would bet ALOT of money on that

I have a West Coast trip coming up to open the Baseball season and catching up with a lot of old friends inside and outside of Baseball and should get a much better idea of what's going on after that trip as having a few dinners with some gaming friends out there

I also find it hard to believe.

But we also know MS has these insiders who are really just doing controlled leaks, and have any of them said "Then MS is also releasing a traditional console?"

It's all this mish-mash that amounts to branded PC's and maybe an updated Xbox App/windows store. I'm starting to think they are at least testing the waters of abandoning console hardware.

 

[Punished Miku]

There's a play anywhere list on the Xbox dash now. Its a solid list. Seems they've gotten a large amount of the indies.

 

[Three]

No idea on the Surface team honestly

I really don't understand their direction, its like they are purposely sending this Windows based handheld out to die if they release their own a year or so later

But we are also taking the word of Jez here on this Xbox branded device

If they are doing "xbox certified" devices with an OS and it's part of the surface team then it would make sense. They have OEM certified windows devices and their own created surface. The question is would any OEM want to be a part of something that's likely to be outsold by the inhouse version and possibly even subsidised by MS vs their machines. It might be the same strategy of FEs where they do limited subsidised consoles and the rest OEM. Who knows what MS are thinking at this point. They haven't been on a straight path for a long time and they seem to change plans almost quarterly.

 

[awwr999999]

It’s insane you even think this is how the industry works.

It's clear that you're unfamiliar with MS. As of March 13, 2025, Microsoft's est. market cap of $2.85 trillion is significantly larger than the est. combined market cap of the entire video game industry's $2.1 trillion.
Look at what MS did to PlayStation - literally launching Xbox with the sole purpose of undermining PS2 sales, and understand that Nintendo is much less diversified than Sony.

 

[mayham2199]

It's clear that you're unfamiliar with MS. As of March 13, 2025, Microsoft's est. market cap of $2.85 trillion is significantly larger than the est. combined market cap of the entire video game industry's $2.1 trillion.
Look at what MS did to PlayStation - literally launching Xbox with the sole purpose of undermining PS2 sales, and understand that Nintendo is much less diversified than Sony.

Yes and they’ve done nothing with that money other than remain in third place with console sales lower than ever minus the original Xbox. Go ahead and keep believing they’ll take that money and do something as wild as what your as proposing though. Xbox has been running off hope and what they could do for a long time now.

 

[Kacho]

It's clear that you're unfamiliar with MS. As of March 13, 2025, Microsoft's est. market cap of $2.85 trillion is significantly larger than the est. combined market cap of the entire video game industry's $2.1 trillion.
Look at what MS did to PlayStation - literally launching Xbox with the sole purpose of undermining PS2 sales, and understand that Nintendo is much less diversified than Sony.

We’re so back

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

I don't know how this thing will be marketed in all honesty or why it even exists unless there is some hook we don't know about

Then it looks like Xbox themselves will have their actual handheld in another year or two?

I mean what are they doing over there at castle green?

It’s a testing ground for encirclement. If windows handhelds were efficient, ran multiple ecosystems it would become the standard. The only way this works is if all oems are onboard with yearly/competitive upgrades.

Easy trailer: gears/halo/league of legends/steam symbol/ epic symbol/gog ect.. one place in your hands… windows x built for gaming.

 

[awwr999999]

Yes and they’ve done nothing with that money other than remain in third place with console sales lower than ever minus the original Xbox. Go ahead and keep believing they’ll take that money and do something as wild as what your as proposing though. Xbox has been running off hope and what they could do for a long time now.

MS creating Xbox just to stop PlayStation involved a ton of sunk costs that can now be leveraged to stop Nintendo.
From MS' point of view Xbox succeeded just by taking money and would-be users away from PlayStation.
No PlayStation console has ever been as popular or as beloved as the PS2 and MS views that as success.
With the Switch approaching the PS2's level of popularity/love it's an obvious target with a weakness the PS2 never had - it's super easy to emulate.
From MS' point of view just disrupting the market with a handheld and causing Switch 2 to be less popular than Switch would be worth losing a massive amount of money.
Other factors to consider:
Revenge: Nintendo laughed at MS' offer to buy the company.
Value: The idea of using the same stone (Xbox) to slow down two birds (PlayStation and Nintendo).
Facts: PC is the only platform that allows users to easily emulate Nintendo's entire game catalog from NES to Switch.

 

[Ritsumei2020]

MS creating Xbox just to stop PlayStation involved a ton of sunk costs that can now be leveraged to stop Nintendo.
From MS' point of view Xbox succeeded just by taking money and would-be users away from PlayStation.
No PlayStation console has ever been as popular or as beloved as the PS2 and MS views that as success.
With the Switch approaching the PS2's level of popularity/love it's an obvious target with a weakness the PS2 never had - it's super easy to emulate.
From MS' point of view just disrupting the market with a handheld and causing Switch 2 to be less popular than Switch would be worth losing a massive amount of money.
Other factors to consider:
Revenge: Nintendo laughed at MS' offer to buy the company.
Value: The idea of using the same stone (Xbox) to slow down two birds (PlayStation and Nintendo).
Facts: PC is the only platform that allows users to easily emulate Nintendo's entire game catalog from NES to Switch.

You are on a roll today lol,

But lets accept that yes, MS wanted to disrupt Playstation and possibly Nintendo’s businesses.

Only now MS is releasing games on Sony and Nintendo hardware. They are not competing with them on the hardware side anymore, they need PS and Nintendo hardware to sell well for their game to reach a broad audience.

So I dont think MS is out to get revenge. They simply like money.

 

[Orbital2060]

MS creating Xbox just to stop PlayStation involved a ton of sunk costs that can now be leveraged to stop Nintendo.
From MS' point of view Xbox succeeded just by taking money and would-be users away from PlayStation.
No PlayStation console has ever been as popular or as beloved as the PS2 and MS views that as success.
With the Switch approaching the PS2's level of popularity/love it's an obvious target with a weakness the PS2 never had - it's super easy to emulate.
From MS' point of view just disrupting the market with a handheld and causing Switch 2 to be less popular than Switch would be worth losing a massive amount of money.
Other factors to consider:
Revenge: Nintendo laughed at MS' offer to buy the company.
Value: The idea of using the same stone (Xbox) to slow down two birds (PlayStation and Nintendo).
Facts: PC is the only platform that allows users to easily emulate Nintendo's entire game catalog from NES to Switch

You have a point in relation to the PS2 and Xbox, but I dont believe for a second that Microsoft wants to compete with or win over Nintendo in any way. Thats all in the past whatever they said about acquiring Nintendo.

They are going to make money off of the Switch, and its a win win when they are already optimizing for an S level handheld to publish on their handheld as well as on the Switch.

 

[RCU005]

So eventually everything will be a “play anywhere” title by default. Very interesting but I have serious doubts on them meeting my expectations with my Xbox library.

But shhh don’t call them third party.

 

[RickMasters]

MS creating Xbox just to stop PlayStation involved a ton of sunk costs that can now be leveraged to stop Nintendo.
From MS' point of view Xbox succeeded just by taking money and would-be users away from PlayStation.
No PlayStation console has ever been as popular or as beloved as the PS2 and MS views that as success.
With the Switch approaching the PS2's level of popularity/love it's an obvious target with a weakness the PS2 never had - it's super easy to emulate.
From MS' point of view just disrupting the market with a handheld and causing Switch 2 to be less popular than Switch would be worth losing a massive amount of money.
Other factors to consider:
Revenge: Nintendo laughed at MS' offer to buy the company.
Value: The idea of using the same stone (Xbox) to slow down two birds (PlayStation and Nintendo).
Facts: PC is the only platform that allows users to easily emulate Nintendo's entire game catalog from NES to Switch.

“Stop Nintendo”? I doubt that. Chances are we see a tonne of Xbox content on switch 2 aswell. Maybe even more than PS5.


Assuming you are an Xbox owner ( I am btw) we should probably be thinking about what ultimately comes next for what put under our living room TVs. I’m kind of all for this PC/ console hybrid thing. Especially the idea of a streamlined console style experience that loads both my Xbox and steam accounts.


And I know people are gonna scoff at the idea but i think it would be cool if it came with a PCI slot. Maybe that’s where this ASUS high end model comes in. I don’t think it needs to be a full hog custom build ( besides I already have a couple of those) but a console with PCI slot would be a pretty cool idea. I’d be willing to pay 1000 bucks for something like that.





Thinking about this a bit more….. maybe this is how it would work….. past Xbox 3rd party games prior to the new hardware load up in some kind of Xbox mode OS. O future games load up in their new OS which I’m guessing would be some kind of unification of windows and Xbox. And steam OS side loading for our steam accounts.

That would be awesome.


None of us know what’s going on but we can ponder the possibilities for now Atleast.

 

[digital_ghost]

Looking forward to an Asus handheld having problems right after the warranty expires.

 

[awwr999999]

You are on a roll today lol,
But lets accept that yes, MS wanted to disrupt Playstation and possibly Nintendo’s businesses.
Only now MS is releasing games on Sony and Nintendo hardware. They are not competing with them on the hardware side anymore, they need PS and Nintendo hardware to sell well for their game to reach a broad audience.
So I dont think MS is out to get revenge. They simply like money.

Nintendo's whole catalog of games is super easy to emulate on PC and MS could make it much harder to emulate Nintendo games on Windows if they wanted to.
There's no shortage of great reasons for MS to get disruptive and go after Switch users.

 

[Ritsumei2020]

Nintendo's whole catalog of games is super easy to emulate on PC and MS could make it much harder to emulate Nintendo games on Windows if they wanted to.
There's no shortage of great reasons for MS to get disruptive and go after Switch users.

OK, so lets say, Microsoft is selling Minecraft on Nintendo Switch, right? And its selling really well, about 6 million copies I think. Mind you, these are copies sold not gamepass subscribers or such bullshit.

So what do you think, Microsoft would rather sell 6 million copies of the game or would they rather people emulate it to spite Nintendo?

 

[Fess]

I hope this goes well. Next gen I would like get the Xbox handheld along with the PS6 if it's good and priced right. Xbox coming out sooner makes this more plausible. Normally I would have to choose one or the other to start, but with this staggered release between the two, it makes it much easier. This is especially convenient given I'm pretty set with my current PC setup with the 4090 and 9800x3d. No need to make any major purchases until the 60 series comes out.

That’s a really good point! I already have two 40-series PCs. And a PS5 Pro. Then I could buy a Switch 2 this year. A new Xbox handheld hybrid something in 2026-2027. A PS6 in 2028-2030. It would all be nothing burgers purchase-wise.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

ASUS hardware and Microsoft software... Lmao are you taking the piss? Kill us now.

 

[Quasicat]

I think I understand. In simple words, they’ll lose backward compatibility to a majority of their older catalogue, but from then on every game released on Xbox will be essentially a PC game. Forward compatible so to speak.

Its not the end of the world, and it happened to Sony and Nintendo too, but for people like me who keep an One X around to play older games it feels like theres no need to change that.

This is exactly what I’m seeing. I’ve already started questioning the next consoles based on how much I still play and the possible prices we will see. Considering that I play a lot of the backwards compatible titles and that’s about it, my Series X will probably be my last system for awhile.

 

[Topher]

Nintendo's whole catalog of games is super easy to emulate on PC and MS could make it much harder to emulate Nintendo games on Windows if they wanted to.
There's no shortage of great reasons for MS to get disruptive and go after Switch users.

You think making Nintendo games on Windows harder to emulate would disrupt Nintendo's business?

 

[reinking]

Reminder: This did leak during the Activision acquisition.

-Cloud games
-App Platform, not hardware

Not to mention Phil’s recent interview where he avoided the question on hardware and instead talked about playing through your existing catalog via the cloud.

I had forgotten about that. It could be renamed to how to kill your console business in five easy steps.

 

[bigdad2007]

It has already been proven people have zero interest in giving Microsoft their walled garden on PC when much more open storefronts already exist.

 

[demigod]

Why do I get the feeling this portable system will actually be a streaming device, akin to PS Portal, but also with X-Cloud support?

At this price point, it definitely sounds like a streaming device. There’s no way ms are subsidizing this.

 

[awwr999999]

You think making Nintendo games on Windows harder to emulate would disrupt Nintendo's business?

That plus ditching the Xbox app and replacing it with the Nintendo app on every Windows PC would make both parties lots of easy money.
The reality is that a lot of Nintendo's back catalog can likely be emulated at near perfect accuracy even on low-end PCs.
Nintendo could easily tap into that same back catalog via an inexpensive online console with legacy HW or FGPA but they haven't and the Switch is just another software emulator for those games.

Disruption would be launching a handheld that can emulate Switch2 games and play the full range of PC games - prior to Switch2 going on sale.
MS isn't going to make that deadline but they could have given Nintendo a real reason to reconsider some kind of mutually beneficial strategic partnership.

 

[Kazekage1981]

The handheld needs 5G/Wifi7 or DOA

 

[Syphon Filter]

It has already been proven people have zero interest in giving Microsoft their walled garden on PC when much more open storefronts already exist.

all storefronts are walled and have drm, expect gog maybe.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

If they price it against PS5 or the pro they're not going to sell many units.
Users can't meaningfully compare a PS5 with DualSense to a handheld that plays all of their old digital-only Xbox games and emulates Switch 2 games.
On the flip side, if MS eats the cost of the handheld down to Switch 2 price or below they could steal Nintendo's sales.
Comparing a Switch 2 with an Xbox handheld that emulates most Switch 2 games and plays 100% of PC games is easily doable - they both use the same strange controller layout.
MS tried to buy Nintendo outright years ago for $25 billion. Instead of doing that again they could 'invest' that same money into giving away handhelds to take sales away from Nintendo's Switch 2.
$25 billion = MS eating $500 of the cost of each Xbox handheld for the first 50 million handhelds.
Nintendo loosing 50 million Switch 2 sales to a handheld Switch 2 emulator (that plays Switch games for free but can't buy Switch games) before the Switch 2 goes on sale would devastate them.
By giving the Xbox handheld away they can doom Switch 2 sales forcing Nintendo to sell games on the Xbox handheld to stay afloat.
Nintendo laughed at their buyout offer and getting Nintendo on Windows has been on Bill's bucket list for decades.

Microsoft could never legally advertise their handheld plays Nintendo games or Switch/Switch 2 games because then they'd be taken to court (and rightfully so). And despite whatever political situation looks like in America, the courts still operate with autonomy (especially at the Supreme Court level it'd seem), and Microsoft won't automatically win a court case just because they're a bigger company by market cap. There's still a process to uphold, international courts to go through & market laws to abide by, so yeah 0% chance MS would ever advertise such a feature or make it a trivial thing to enable.

In fact it's quite possible they'd sooner cooperate with Nintendo (or Sony, for that matter) to just have emulators for their systems blocked from running on these PC-like Xbox devices altogether at the root/kernel level. So even in the chance hackers try modding the kernel, well now they're under threat of being taken to court by Microsoft directly. Ultimately, if Microsoft want to keep good relations with SIE and Nintendo, and publish games on their consoles, they aren't going to enable a backdoor means for buyers of their own Xbox devices to undermine that market opportunity by illegally running PlayStation & Nintendo emulators, or pirating games for said emulators to run.

There's a reason these rumored systems aren't straight-up Windows PCs (i.e the bare desktop environment) slapped into a portable; not only has that type of device already shown it's undesirable by many, it also enables the legal issues I just mentioned. Issues MS will go out of their way to curtail should they push through with these PC-like Xbox devices, especially if they want to retain good relations with other platform holders (i.e not getting barred from being a licensed publisher on PlayStation or Nintendo).

 

[awwr999999]

Microsoft could never legally advertise their handheld plays Nintendo games or Switch/Switch 2 games because then they'd be taken to court (and rightfully so). And despite whatever political situation looks like in America, the courts still operate with autonomy (especially at the Supreme Court level it'd seem), and Microsoft won't automatically win a court case just because they're a bigger company by market cap. There's still a process to uphold, international courts to go through & market laws to abide by, so yeah 0% chance MS would ever advertise such a feature or make it a trivial thing to enable.

In fact it's quite possible they'd sooner cooperate with Nintendo (or Sony, for that matter) to just have emulators for their systems blocked from running on these PC-like Xbox devices altogether at the root/kernel level. So even in the chance hackers try modding the kernel, well now they're under threat of being taken to court by Microsoft directly. Ultimately, if Microsoft want to keep good relations with SIE and Nintendo, and publish games on their consoles, they aren't going to enable a backdoor means for buyers of their own Xbox devices to undermine that market opportunity by illegally running PlayStation & Nintendo emulators, or pirating games for said emulators to run.

There's a reason these rumored systems aren't straight-up Windows PCs (i.e the bare desktop environment) slapped into a portable; not only has that type of device already shown it's undesirable by many, it also enables the legal issues I just mentioned. Issues MS will go out of their way to curtail should they push through with these PC-like Xbox devices, especially if they want to retain good relations with other platform holders (i.e not getting barred from being a licensed publisher on PlayStation or Nintendo).

The MS console will allow emulation because MS said that it will do everything that Steam Deck does.
Just like the Steam Deck it'll end up getting Switch emulators that make it relatively easy to emulate Switch games.
Windows has the massive advantage of being the only mainstream platform that ends up being able to emulate games from every other platform.
Any new hit game from Nintendo or PlayStation will eventually end up being emulated on Windows, it's really just a matter of time.

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

MS creating Xbox just to stop PlayStation involved a ton of sunk costs that can now be leveraged to stop Nintendo.
From MS' point of view Xbox succeeded just by taking money and would-be users away from PlayStation.
No PlayStation console has ever been as popular or as beloved as the PS2 and MS views that as success.
With the Switch approaching the PS2's level of popularity/love it's an obvious target with a weakness the PS2 never had - it's super easy to emulate.
From MS' point of view just disrupting the market with a handheld and causing Switch 2 to be less popular than Switch would be worth losing a massive amount of money.
Other factors to consider:
Revenge: Nintendo laughed at MS' offer to buy the company.
Value: The idea of using the same stone (Xbox) to slow down two birds (PlayStation and Nintendo).
Facts: PC is the only platform that allows users to easily emulate Nintendo's entire game catalog from NES to Switch.

Disagree. Msft strategy is based on software as OEMs will make the hardware. Sony nor Nintendo do not have an os to merge their console ecosystem with. Hence Spencer’s comment “ we respect Nintendo they live and die by their hardware”. Aka these companies can’t do this forever.

 

[mayham2199]

The MS console will allow emulation because MS said that it will do everything that Steam Deck does.
Just like the Steam Deck it'll end up getting Switch emulators that make it relatively easy to emulate Switch games.
Windows has the massive advantage of being the only mainstream platform that ends up being able to emulate games from every other platform.
Any new hit game from Nintendo or PlayStation will eventually end up being emulated on Windows, it's really just a matter of time.

and it wont matter to anyone but hardcore gamers. You can't possibly think the average gamer wants to do any of the work it would take to get this setup.

 

[ZehDon]

At this price point, it definitely sounds like a streaming device. There’s no way ms are subsidizing this.

Is this a serious post? No one's launching a $599 streaming device.

Depending on their hardware, price range sounds perfectly resonable. LCD screen targeting 800p with a 3+ hour battery life, running current gen games on low-to-mid settings? Entirely plausible for $499. Heck, the Steam Deck isn't too far behind that, and it's three years old. I suspect it lands at the higher end of that price range; like Sony, Microsoft are done subsidising their hardware.

 

[bender]

MS creating Xbox just to stop PlayStation involved a ton of sunk costs that can now be leveraged to stop Nintendo.
From MS' point of view Xbox succeeded just by taking money and would-be users away from PlayStation.
No PlayStation console has ever been as popular or as beloved as the PS2 and MS views that as success.
With the Switch approaching the PS2's level of popularity/love it's an obvious target with a weakness the PS2 never had - it's super easy to emulate.
From MS' point of view just disrupting the market with a handheld and causing Switch 2 to be less popular than Switch would be worth losing a massive amount of money.
Other factors to consider:
Revenge: Nintendo laughed at MS' offer to buy the company.
Value: The idea of using the same stone (Xbox) to slow down two birds (PlayStation and Nintendo).
Facts: PC is the only platform that allows users to easily emulate Nintendo's entire game catalog from NES to Switch.

 

[awwr999999]

If Xbox was willing to eat $500 for each console sold to beat Nintendo why didn't they do that to beat Sony? If they had sold the Series X for $10 they would surely had the best selling console.

MS has been eating $100-200 per Xbox and has never made money on Xbox consoles.
MS putting games on Game Pass causes them to lose around 80% of their Xbox sales.
If they lower the price of Xboxes people will just strip them down for parts.

 

[demigod]

Is this a serious post? No one's launching a $599 streaming device.

Depending on their hardware, price range sounds perfectly resonable. LCD screen targeting 800p with a 3+ hour battery life, running current gen games on low-to-mid settings? Entirely plausible for $499. Heck, the Steam Deck isn't too far behind that, and it's three years old. I suspect it lands at the higher end of that price range; like Sony, Microsoft are done subsidising their hardware.

So Asus sells Rog Ally for minimum $470 but for reasons you think they will sell at the same pricepoint while partnering with MS? You think they will sell 2+ year old tech for $499? Yeah they will be laughed out of the market.

 

[ZehDon]

So Asus sells Rog Ally for minimum $470 but for reasons you think they will sell at the same pricepoint while partnering with MS? You think they will sell 2+ year old tech for $499? Yeah they will be laughed out of the market.

No, I was demonstrating how absurd your "At this price point, it definitely sounds like a streaming device" comment was. You've 180-ed on that now, it seems. So, which is it - are Microsoft are selling a streaming device for USD$599.00 or are they selling bleeding edge tech for USD$499.00?

 

[Ritsumei2020]

$25 billion = MS eating $500 of the cost of each Xbox handheld for the first 50 million handhelds.

You suggested that MS could eat $500 for each handheld sold to disrupt Nintendo dominance. How is that realistic? As you said, people would just strip them down for parts. Also, who in their right mind would ever buy another Xbox console at full price if the perceived value was X minus $500?

 

[demigod]

No, I was demonstrating how absurd your "At this price point, it definitely sounds like a streaming device" comment was. You've 180-ed on that now, it seems. So, which is it - are Microsoft are selling a streaming device for USD$599.00 or are they selling bleeding edge tech for USD$499.00?

Nope, i didn’t 180. I’m telling you they aren’t releasing a gimped handheld for $499, hence the streaming device. Funny how you picked the highest price for streaming at $599 and not $499 yet picked the lowest price of $499 for regular handheld. At that pricepoint for a handheld there isn’t a profit margin for asus, ms, retailers. Understand now?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

MS creating Xbox just to stop PlayStation involved a ton of sunk costs that can now be leveraged to stop Nintendo.
From MS' point of view Xbox succeeded just by taking money and would-be users away from PlayStation.
No PlayStation console has ever been as popular or as beloved as the PS2 and MS views that as success.
With the Switch approaching the PS2's level of popularity/love it's an obvious target with a weakness the PS2 never had - it's super easy to emulate.
From MS' point of view just disrupting the market with a handheld and causing Switch 2 to be less popular than Switch would be worth losing a massive amount of money.
Other factors to consider:
Revenge: Nintendo laughed at MS' offer to buy the company.
Value: The idea of using the same stone (Xbox) to slow down two birds (PlayStation and Nintendo).
Facts: PC is the only platform that allows users to easily emulate Nintendo's entire game catalog from NES to Switch.

You do know this thing is a PC

You do know PCs have done these things for decades.

You could go out and buy a ROG Ally and do this.

You could do that, right now.

 

[ZehDon]

Nope, i didn’t 180. I’m telling you they aren’t releasing a gimped handheld for $499, hence the streaming device. Funny how you picked the highest price for streaming at $599 and not $499 yet picked the lowest price of $499 for regular handheld. At that pricepoint for a handheld there isn’t a profit margin for asus, ms, retailers. Understand now?

I picked the price range that gives your comment the best possible odds, and it's still utterly laughable. No one's releasing a streaming device for USD$499.00, let alone the USD$599 you tried to float. As your reaction emoji post history denotes you understand, there's not a lot of profit margin in Xbox's hardware, yet they keep making it because a small profit is better than no profit. I imagine they partnered with an OEM who could deliver manufacturing costs low enough to create a thin margin for minimal MS input - it's not Xbox hardware, it's just Xbox branded - and they're clearly not intending to sell 100 million of these things. Understand now?

 

[awwr999999]

You do know this thing is a PC
You do know PCs have done these things for decades.
You could go out and buy a ROG Ally and do this.
You could do that, right now.

All true. So why is MS doing the exact same thing as ASUS and Steam?
If the Ally was less expensive it would likely be more popular and if it were more popular emulation would become a bigger problem for Nintendo.
Instead of MS eating $200 per Series X they could chop $200 off of the price of the kennan handheld and maybe sell a decent amount of units.
I'd love to hear another idea that makes any sense.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

All true. So why is MS doing the exact same thing as ASUS and Steam?
If the Ally was less expensive it would likely be more popular and if it were more popular emulation would become a bigger problem for Nintendo.
Instead of MS eating $200 per Series X they could chop $200 off of the price of the kennan handheld and maybe sell a decent amount of units.
I'd love to hear another idea that makes any sense.

Your assumption is that sensible options exist for Xbox. Right now they are trying to keep Xbox customers happy without losing money, and all the available options are bad. This is what happens when your business case failed, and you are winding things down. There are no happy endings here.

 

[awwr999999]

Your assumption is that sensible options exist for Xbox. Right now they are trying to keep Xbox customers happy without losing money, and all the available options are bad. This is what happens when your business case failed, and you are winding things down. There are no happy endings here.

Xbox was founded to take users away from PlayStation 2 and Xbox customers have always been pawns.

Xbox Co-Creator on Convincing Bill Gates to Green-Light Xbox – IGN Unfiltered - IGN

According to Xbox co-creator Ed Fries, their proposal meeting turned into a heated battle that ran well into Valentine's Day night.

www.ign.com

Switch console sales approaching PS2's console sales means it should trigger the same response.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Xbox was founded to take users away from PlayStation 2 and Xbox customers have always been pawns.

Xbox Co-Creator on Convincing Bill Gates to Green-Light Xbox – IGN Unfiltered - IGN

According to Xbox co-creator Ed Fries, their proposal meeting turned into a heated battle that ran well into Valentine's Day night.

www.ign.com

Switch console sales approaching PS2's console sales means it should trigger the same response.

There will come a time when portable gaming is good enough for everyone. When that happens, PlayStation would become a portable machine. That time is not now.

And as long as there is a gap between portable and home console, Sony is not threatened. No matter how many Switch Nintendo sell.

As for Xbox, they are being absorbed by Activision as we speak. Microsoft Gaming would be fine. Xbox not so much. Now Xbox is trying to manage expectations and letting their remaining customers down gently.

 

[reinking]

Switch console sales approaching PS2's console sales means it should trigger the same response.

...and the same results.

 

[sendit]

Sad thing is, the series x is a beast of a console that looks pretty good (for a box) is near silent and runs games well all for a pretty low price. And those fuckers have just left it for dead. So fucking sad what they've done to the Xbox console brand.

Nothing beast about the Series X when performance matches the base PS5.