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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Bo_Hazem

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i dont know man. as much as i would love that , i dont see anything above 12 TF being real. lets hope i m wrong.

See, it's as easy as lower the clock speed, then you get between 13.8-12. But with the "expensive" cooling, I'll put my money on at least 1.8Ghz. The extra is a headroom for devs. You don't need to go down in TF, except if you're enabling more CU in the dev kits then closing 4 CU's for the retail that'll put you around 12-13TF range, assuming both are 52 CU's (4 deactivated, 56 CU) as Tommy said.
 
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DrDamn

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Because Microsoft's strategy is clearly to release every 2-4 weeks some more information about their business (Xbox hardwares, games or services). Doing that keeps you in the media every time again and again which is smart marketing wise, you're on the top of gamers minds.

Sony can have 1 single event where they release everything, but then what you released must also be new and innovative. If the PS5 has nothing new that we already know, then you have just been silent the whole time for nothing, and after the event everyone will keep saying: "Oh but Microsoft already has this, they said it in February. Sony late to the party."

Release of info can be gradually built up to release too, and people can get bored with constant snippets of information too. Both valid strategies. Agree with the last point, and it's something Sony did to MS last year with the first Wired article which reduced the effectiveness of the MS E3 reveal. Grand scheme of things I doubt it affects much beyond bun fights on forums like this. I get the thirst for information, I'm happy to wait a little longer for it as long as the info is good :)

Personally I think they should give us something (event date) in the following weeks, otherwise it's only going to get worse and worse.

I think they will. As mentioned above it is possible plans changed due to the virus, they have re-planned and they will give out some more info soon. If they don't? Eh. We'll know all we need to know by June-ish anyway.
 

splattered

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If we were a few months away from release then yes, negative perception needs to be controlled, but if you feel you have everything under control, and you are confident in your product, then there is no need to be so reactive to the announcements of your competitors. Why spoil the impact of something you have planned just because MS have said something 10 months before release?

OK, nice to know Sony has you totally under control. Got it.

You don't just let your competitor get all the spotlight and not say anything unless you're in trouble.

The only way for the Sony reveal to be more impactful now is if the system is some sort of wacky switch hybrid or something else out of left field.

The power narrative has already been spun by Microsoft so there will be less of an impact there for Sony. In that case they will have to rely on games or gimmicks.

And I guess that being said there is a third option I didnt originally consider... mentioning gimmicks just now I wonder if they are hoping to reveal ths psvr2 alongside the ps5 and it isn't quite ready for public showing so that's what's holding things up?
 

Bligtgate

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Ill say this, even if the PS5 is really 9.2TF and Xbox 12TF It won’t change the fact that Sony’s exclusive are gonna amazing and might even look better then what u see on Xbox. And thats coming from a Guy who prefer xbox but have both consoles
 

Moses85

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As OsirisBlack OsirisBlack been hinting for 13TF+ and BGs BGs said 13.8TF many times then referring to them as GCN, that would easily translate to the same when RDNA 2.0 CU's are available. That's why next June dev kits are the final ones. Would it aim for 13.8TF? I doubt that, but slightly below to maintain a healthier clock speed. Again, Rdaeon VII is 7nm.

Let’s be realistic. 13,8 TF + a next gen Controller with Haptic Feedback, better Battery Life and more gimmicks? How expensive shall this thing be?
Look at the Joy Cons. They are 60-70€

I want to believe and I am also willing to pay 1000 EUR for a hell of a beast of PS5 but this won’t happen.
 

DrDamn

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You don't just let your competitor get all the spotlight and not say anything unless you're in trouble.

You don't just react to everything your competitor says either. Releasing the same sort of info that way can make you look more "me too" than sticking with your original plan and having something extra to show too.

The power narrative has already been spun by Microsoft so there will be less of an impact there for Sony. In that case they will have to rely on games or gimmicks.

Pffft. What have games got to do with it? Oh yeah ... everything!
 

Bo_Hazem

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Let’s be realistic. 13,8 TF + a next gen Controller with Haptic Feedback, better Battery Life and more gimmicks? How expensive shall this thing be?
Look at the Joy Cons. They are 60-70€

I want to believe and I am also willing to pay 1000 EUR for a hell of a beast of PS5 but this won’t happen.

It'll cost relatively close to XSX. 13.8TF GCN 7nm should cost close to 13.8TF RDNA 2.0 7nm overall. That's why I think 500GB SSD is quite possible to shave something out, with probably another 1TB variant. 1000euros for that is still cheap, but we'll get it at least for half that price.
 

M-V2

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Bring me whoever did this to Joel, I NEED to talk with him ASAP!!!

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Its time for Xbox to get a leadership change (Phil can continue in the team) Why ? gaming industry is headed for a consolidation.

1. Steam's business model is built on the hardwork that microsoft has put in. Just like Apple benefits from app store sales. Microsoft will challenge steam. and xBox series x is powerful enough to lure pc gamers ?
2. Nintendos' business ? xCloud streaming on mobile will take away market share from handheld console business.
3. Sony comes to cloud gaming on azure and microsoft makes money off it.

With potential revenues of this magnitude IMO i do not think Phil can handle this. There needs to be a leadership change. and those people who will invest in xbox console will not be dissapointed, MS will dominate gaming.
 

saintjules

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So latest rumor is announcement 2 pm pst and a reveal on the 3rd of March?

Yeah, that's about right. March 3rd came from Giant Bomb's podcast. It reminds me of the original slip of the tongue by Ashley Johnson during her interview on TLOU2 saying Feb. (old release date).

Edit: Come to think of it....FF7Remake was supposed to be out on the 3rd. Wonder if they pushed it back for this reason also......
 
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Deleted member 775630

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Possibly. Remember CES for Sony? They started at 5PM PST also...Hmmmm.
I also quickly checked, the tweet for PS4 was also at 2pm with the invites. So you could be correct, indeed.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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I love how I’m showing my true nature, by posting actual technical discussion, giving evidence of multiple scenarios for each party, and posting pros and cons for each.

But suddenly because I’m not posting purely positive Sony news at a time when there isn’t any anyway, I’m showing my true colours as a fanboy.

Got it. Because you seem to be adding to the conversation so much, right?

BTW, I got no problem with you being a fanboy. I'm a fanboy, it's not bad. It's only bad if you're too biased, and you're not.

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JMB88

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And a 10.5-11.5 rdna tf system with better RT and a slightly faster SSD would close a performance gap with what Ms have. It could even be slightly quicker. But it’s smack bang on the one thing that keeps being repeated - these two consoles are virtually the same.


I was reading your latest publications of the 13.8 tf gnc and I think it's possible.
On the other hand and I ask, excuse my ignorance if what I am going to say is stupid.

Someone remembers the leak of 2 years ago called "project epsilon" in which all internet ridiculed it because it listed 14.2 tf, ssd, backwards compatibility with ps4, psvr without external hardware, etc.

Many of those things that seemed impossible 2 years ago, such as the SSD were fulfilled. What if those 14.2 tf were gnc and if the conversion is done it would be approximately 11.3 tf rdna as you estimate it will be between 10.5 and 11.5 tf.

Would this be possible?
 

Gamernyc78

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LMAO no way that guy misterxmedia it's being serious. What an asshole

Its time for Xbox to get a leadership change (Phil can continue in the team) Why ? gaming industry is headed for a consolidation.

1. Steam's business model is built on the hardwork that microsoft has put in. Just like Apple benefits from app store sales. Microsoft will challenge steam. and xBox series x is powerful enough to lure pc gamers ?
2. Nintendos' business ? xCloud streaming on mobile will take away market share from handheld console business.
3. Sony comes to cloud gaming on azure and microsoft makes money off it.

With potential revenues of this magnitude IMO i do not think Phil can handle this. There needs to be a leadership change. and those people who will invest in xbox console will not be dissapointed, MS will dominate gaming.

Dominate gaming? Yeah they've been doing a great job of it, as a matter fact a good example of the awesome job is losing this gen the little market share they scrapped up during the 360 days.

Figures a new member spewing nonsense 🤦‍♂️the amount of new members spewing propoganda and schilling for Microsoft in the last two weeks has exponentially grown.
 
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Deleted member 775630

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2PM PST is 2AM local time BUT it’s a weekend.
Local for who? 2PM PST, is 10PM GMT, so for most in Europe it will be 11PM. Nonetheless, it doesn't matter since Sony also released it at 2PM PST in 2013.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
I was reading your latest publications of the 13.8 tf gnc and I think it's possible.
On the other hand and I ask, excuse my ignorance if what I am going to say is stupid.

Someone remembers the leak of 2 years ago called "project epsilon" in which all internet ridiculed it because it listed 14.2 tf, ssd, backwards compatibility with ps4, psvr without external hardware, etc.

Many of those things that seemed impossible 2 years ago, such as the SSD were fulfilled. What if those 14.2 tf were gnc and if the conversion is done it would be approximately 11.3 tf rdna as you estimate it will be between 10.5 and 11.5 tf.

Would this be possible?

Im going to be perfectly blunt with you here. No.

The reason being that even TODAY, a FOURTEEN terror flopping console is going to be stupidly expensive, to the point that it’s far beyond a mass adoption rate and would likely stall at retail. But two years ago? Even worse.

This is the problem many face. They think that 13.8 tf is “only” 1.8tf more than a 12tf console, and if Xbox can do that, then why not? Well because what Xbox are doing is pretty much about as high as you can push things before you start running into problems. Heat, yields, they all add up, and even though it’s perfectly possible to throw more CUs at higher speeds into there, it becomes less feasible very quickly.

Now notice I haven’t said impossible. It’s possible. Anything is. But the higher you go in spec, the harder It becomes to reach, exponentially almost, because you are approaching the maximum threshold that the hardware will allow. And once you do that, you need to start over and reach those goals both effectively and within a reachable budget.

Is a 13.8 tf PS5 possible? Yes, absolutely. but the yields on the chips will be so low, that you’re looking at a crazy expensive piece of kit. And while there are quite clearly people on this board who would sell their own grandmothers to buy one at any cost, you aren’t selling to your rabbid fan boy base - you’re making something that has to be successful on a mass market level.

so 13.8tf? At $500? Jesus... I can’t even think about the loses they would have to take.
 
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Smoke6

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Now you see, you’ve lost me now, because while it’s bloody obvious Sony would want to add BC (even after making their fans believe for years it was shit), what you just said riled me up, because you see...

...you said it with BIAS.

A true meltdown? Why? Xbox Series X already confirmed all previous generations work on it. And while yes, PlayStations back catalog is quite simply utterly incredible to have, the way you just said what you said makes me see a bias in favour of Sony.

And now, because I’ve seen that, I can’t take anything you say seriously, because it will forever come across as you favouring one over the other.

Sorry pal, I’m out.
No this is exactly the post you wanted to hear from BG and you come off as fanboyish as all hell right now!

you’re the first meltdown as he just predicted lmao!
 

ZywyPL

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I was reading your latest publications of the 13.8 tf gnc and I think it's possible.
On the other hand and I ask, excuse my ignorance if what I am going to say is stupid.

Someone remembers the leak of 2 years ago called "project epsilon" in which all internet ridiculed it because it listed 14.2 tf, ssd, backwards compatibility with ps4, psvr without external hardware, etc.

Many of those things that seemed impossible 2 years ago, such as the SSD were fulfilled. What if those 14.2 tf were gnc and if the conversion is done it would be approximately 11.3 tf rdna as you estimate it will be between 10.5 and 11.5 tf.

Would this be possible?

No shit, that leak was from April 2018, and looking at it from today's point of view it does look very legit now - 8C Zen CPU - check, 1TB SSD - check, 32GB GDDR6 - check - I'm guessing it's for the dev-kit, while retail would have half as much, which all recent leaks actually point to, 14TF - check? Again, guessing it's related to a dev-kit, with some of CUs disabled in the final retail model, so that even that rumored ~13TF might actually come out to be true.
 

Roronoa Zoro

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OK, nice to know Sony has you totally under control. Got it.

You don't just let your competitor get all the spotlight and not say anything unless you're in trouble.

The only way for the Sony reveal to be more impactful now is if the system is some sort of wacky switch hybrid or something else out of left field.

The power narrative has already been spun by Microsoft so there will be less of an impact there for Sony. In that case they will have to rely on games or gimmicks.

And I guess that being said there is a third option I didnt originally consider... mentioning gimmicks just now I wonder if they are hoping to reveal ths psvr2 alongside the ps5 and it isn't quite ready for public showing so that's what's holding things up?
They're getting all the spotlight when the spotlight means nothing. It's about what you show not when you show it. If Sony has an underpowered system then it would sell just as badly if they had revealed in January as if they wait until August. There are no preorders yet. Both systems will sell out this holiday I can almost guarantee you (unless one is over $600 or something crazy like that)

When they reveal will not change the final product. If MS had revealed a beast last time and not tried weird used games policies then it wouldn't have mattered that they revealed after Sony
 
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