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Seriously if the ps5 comes out to even being 12.1TF this forum will burn to the ground lol
What's more confident? To trust that you can be silent and still be fine or feeling the need to constantly hype a thing up before anyone can even preorder?After AMD conference i was sure that PS5 would be 12TF the same as Xbox. But now no so sure.. after reading everything out there on the internet plus gaf and era.. seeing every videos on youtube plus Twitter ect. Im back in to thinking it’s either 9.2 or 10TF, why?
75% of does github leak were right about xbox. But they were wrong about RDNA2. Everybody was thinking it was rdna1 cause everyone assumed RDNA2 was 7nm+ but after AMD press conference they made clear it was 7nm same as RDNA1 just more watt efficiency and plus we dont know literally shit about PS5 and come on. They read those tweets they read those post and i do have a feeeling that Sony wouldn’t let MS flexing like that if they were more powerful. I mean come on!! Remember the sony from 2013? They clap back at every chance they got.. and now your telling me they are silent cause they’re not quite ready to revel info!! And how come MS are ready Before them when every thing we Heard at first was that MS was being schedule with next gen.. and now first to show the console first to show specs first to show confidence in their product... sssh something smell fishy.. and BTW i hope im wrong but i dout it
hahahahaha oh ma gawd. subsurface azz scattering lol ray traced cheese. you will need 3-d audio to hear da sound of that !!!![]()
Hahahahaha. No.
On the contrary, his critical thinking would have meant he would never have assumed the github leaks to tell the whole story.
Maybe with him around, people would have taken things more critically, instead of based on faith.
And why is that?
What's more confident? To trust that you can be silent and still be fine or feeling the need to constantly hype a thing up before anyone can even preorder?
i ear you but to me its not the Sony PlayStation i got tho know all those years but hey never to late to have a different approachWhat's more confident? To trust that you can be silent and still be fine or feeling the need to constantly hype a thing up before anyone can even preorder?
i get it. I would want MS to dominate the gaming market either, to much monopolyThey dominate multiple other markets and I wouldn’t want them to dominate the gaming market too. Sony also changed gaming for everyone. We would be a generation or two behind if they didn’t come to the gaming market.
Sorry i meant wouldn’ti get it. I would want MS to dominate the gaming market either, to much monopoly
I agree with that. For example, you have no idea about figures of speech.You just proved my point exactly, ignorance. People talking about things they don't understand very well or are not familiar with, however, making matters worse, they pretend like they do:
Take it as a complementary view. In your opinion, he would not dismiss the github leak. In my view, he wouldn't have taken it at face value either.Your response doesn't contradict anything I said about him.
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PS5 and Xbox Series X could use the same AMD tech for photo-realistic graphics
Sony’s PlayStation 5 will also use RDNA 2 technology, heavy hint suggestswww.techradar.com
I don't care about looks. it could be a ball, a pyramid, a phallic form factor. I will buy it anyway.
According to people with no hidden-agendas or ulterior motives -- AMD was actually talking about the yet to be announced, confirmed, or revealed Xbox Series S AND not the PS5.
Did anyone catch this during the webcast? Apparently he said “platforms”.
“With that, you will greatly simplify the content development – developers can develop on one platform and easily port it to the other platform. This will definitely help speed up the adoption [of ray tracing].”
Note that the plural of ‘consoles’ is used, suggesting that both the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation will make use of AMD’s RDNA 2 architecture.
Port for thought
The fact that Wang talks about porting from one platform to the other – presumably meaning across both consoles, given the context of the statement – further reinforces the suggestion of the PS5 coming with RDNA 2 running through its GPU veins.
Sony from 2013 lost ground with ps3. Ps4 nearly finished Xbox. Xbox as a brand will be irrelevant when sony release the ps5 information. It will be the last console war imo and sony will only have nintendo to finish off at the end of the generation. Nintendo will then make games exclusively for ps6 and mobile.
Psst, hey, kids, want some news...?
I don't have any, its Sunday, and even if I did, I would send it to Mod Of War first.
Keep it between us, ok?
I wouldn't want any console maker to be out. We, as customers, definitely don't want a monopoly. It's never good for us. Having more means we see them push each other further trying to one up the competition. We don't want laziness.They dominate multiple other markets and I wouldn’t want them to dominate the gaming market too. Sony also changed gaming for everyone. We would be a generation or two behind if they didn’t come to the gaming market.
An off-topic question, what does an "astroturfer" or "astroturfing" mean? I searched it up on Google and Wikipedia but didn't really understand it, can you simplify it or maybe give me an example of it by using Xbox fanboys as an example?No. Nearly all the insiders last gen got it right. That's how we knew about used games and online check ins and kinect months in advance.
This gen insiders have already been right about the Xbox so far. We will see if they ere right about the ps5.
However, every gen there is influx of ms astroturfers. This website banned many after one of the mods was sent an email with a list of dozen or astroturfers.
this may be an odd question, but is the Blu-ray association going to make 8k ultra Blu-ray disks with 8k diodes? I am thinking it will need to go more towards the ultraviolet spectrum, so in essence it wont be Blu-ray disks it will be purple-ray lol
and why 4k to 8k? Why not make games run at 5k, 5.5k, 6k, 6.5k, 7k, 7.5k ? HDMI 2.1 can go UP to 8k, its not limited to 2k, 4k, and 8k
Psst, hey, kids, want some news...?
I don't have any, its Sunday, and even if I did, I would send it to Mod Of War first.
Keep it between us, ok?
probably the worst possible scenario for gamers. Any monopoly is bad. It stops innovation. Eg. We don’t know how online gaming would look on consoles if not for Microsoft. I know that for some odd reasons people don’t like ms as a company, but hoping for others to fail is childish..
Appreciate that. Honestly, we do our best and you know I just share what I think on any subject. I'm not really hardcore into any of the current machines, to be honest, my real love remains focused on older platforms - especially older Sega machines. That's where I spend most of my gaming money + free-time, at least.The thing about Digital Foundry is that these guys are tech geeks, and i mean that in a nice way. They LOVE and LIVE technology, and they will often times go off on a ramble about what could happen, what will happen, and what will never happen. I find them to be the most accurate and honest of the bunch, myself.
Do they get excited when new tech drops? Yes. Yes they do. Because new tech excites them. I would be a bit worried if it didn’t and they didn’t act a bit fan girly.
The only reason they get labelled up as Xbox fanboys is because Rich dared to say one time he liked Xbox. It’s a hangable offence, you know. Then people saw the Xbox one x getting suddenly good analysis after years of ps4 coming out on top, and certain people put 2 and 2 together and got 9.
It’s their job to tell you not only the facts, but also the possibilities. Remember that, and use a little common sense.
Those guys are ok in my book. I’ve even chatted with D dark10x a little privately, he’s as cool a bloke as they come, and his retro stuff is top shelf.
Don't forget the tight buttock clenching and sub surface ass scattering. I want to be able to cut cheese on them. Ray traced cheese.
Why don’t Sony and Microsoft just bombard the internet with so many fakes that even if a real leak surfaced it’ll be ignored as fake?
That's why I still think Tommy Fisher send those fake photos to "discredit" himself after him or his sources receiving a warning? Just a guess.
Take it as a complementary view. In your opinion, he would not dismiss the github leak. In my view, he wouldn't have taken it at face value either.
After AMD conference i was sure that PS5 would be 12TF the same as Xbox. But now no so sure.. after reading everything out there on the internet plus gaf and era.. seeing every videos on youtube plus Twitter ect. Im back in to thinking it’s either 9.2 or 10TF, why?
75% of does github leak were right about xbox. But they were wrong about RDNA2. Everybody was thinking it was rdna1 cause everyone assumed RDNA2 was 7nm+ but after AMD press conference they made clear it was 7nm same as RDNA1 just more watt efficiency and plus we dont know literally shit about PS5 and come on. They read those tweets they read those post and i do have a feeeling that Sony wouldn’t let MS flexing like that if they were more powerful. I mean come on!! Remember the sony from 2013? They clap back at every chance they got.. and now your telling me they are silent cause they’re not quite ready to revel info!! And how come MS are ready Before them when every thing we Heard at first was that MS was being schedule with next gen.. and now first to show the console first to show specs first to show confidence in their product... sssh something smell fishy.. and BTW i hope im wrong but i dout it
You do your best D dark10x and I really appreciate what you do. Dictator and Richard... they can't hide their fanboyism and console warring streaks. They both do it in different ways. Dictator going on Era saying things to stoke a fanboy war, Richard and his glass half full approach to MS, remember how balanced the launch Xbox One was?Appreciate that. Honestly, we do our best and you know I just share what I think on any subject. I'm not really hardcore into any of the current machines, to be honest, my real love remains focused on older platforms - especially older Sega machines. That's where I spend most of my gaming money + free-time, at least.
Either way, with all this virus shit has only further increased anxiety for me (was always an issue but it's increased now) and I kinda feel like none of this console war shit even matters anymore. It's really changed my whole viewpoint on it. So, for those watching, take things as you like but try to not take it too seriously. It's just not that important.
He was very clear to me.He should be more clear then and state it how he means it and what he means correctly, otherwise who knows for certain.
An off-topic question, what does an "astroturfer" or "astroturfing" mean? I searched it up on Google and Wikipedia but didn't really understand it, can you simplify it or maybe give me an example of it by using Xbox fanboys as an example?
Psst, hey, kids, want some news...?
I don't have any, its Sunday, and even if I did, I would send it to Mod Of War first.
Keep it between us, ok?
Oh thank you, now I understand it, they really are, guys like Colteastwood, Dee Batch, Dealer Gaming are astroturfers for real.Paid shills who try to make for example Xbox sound better and PS5 bad, vise versa.
I just wanna know what "NeoGAF" means.
Dark from digital foundry I love your content the most . Much more balanced contributer to the channel. Keep up the good work . You guys thinking of adding load time comparisons if ps5 and xsx end up with same res and frame ? Which area would you guys gonna focus? Which can keep the frames and res more consistently and maybe asset streaming speed?load times ?Appreciate that. Honestly, we do our best and you know I just share what I think on any subject. I'm not really hardcore into any of the current machines, to be honest, my real love remains focused on older platforms - especially older Sega machines. That's where I spend most of my gaming money + free-time, at least.
Either way, with all this virus shit has only further increased anxiety for me (was always an issue but it's increased now) and I kinda feel like none of this console war shit even matters anymore. It's really changed my whole viewpoint on it. So, for those watching, take things as you like but try to not take it too seriously. It's just not that important.
Oh man I have found an AWESOME post by someone on REEEE, goes into full explanation about why the Oberon GitHub leak isn't the final PS5 hardware, he said the following...
By Jeffrem:
There are 3 reasons to question the implications of the leaked documents:
1. They are full of mistakes and inaccuracies
However confident you are that PS5 is 36 CUs, must must be equally confident that Lockhart is 56CUs. Or the other way around, how ever skeptical you are that these leaks confirm Lockhart is 56CUs, you must be equally skeptical these leaks confirm PS5 is 36CUs.
- There are files in wrong folders, there are sub folders and wrong folders. Again, when people say these are legitimate, they mean that this is what is legitimately in the files, not that the files are correct or accurate all the time.
- The biggest issue is that they claim Spakrman (Lockhart) is 56CUs. Every reason you have to believe Oberon is PS5, you have to believe that Sparkman is Lockhart. Sparkman BC mode indicates it can replicate a One S.
2. The leaks if taken at face value, fly in the face of every credible insider we have, including develeper sources and industry sources, that say the Series X and PS5 are very close in power.
Entonces, los conocedores reales que realmente conocen las especificaciones de destino de la PS5 y Xbox Series X (en lugar de sacar conclusiones de puntos de datos indirectos y no textualizados) con una red de fuentes (en lugar de un bloc de notas interno) están diciendo algo al contrario de lo que la fuga indica a su valor nominal.
- We've had Jason Schreier News Editor of Kotaku, Andrew Reiner Executive Editor at Game Informer, Our own Mods, and Vetted industry insider and veteran Klee, and other insiders all say the consoles are close in power.
- They specifically claim PS5 and Scarlett were close in power according to those sources. And All of that is in the same time window these leaks are from, which according to DF is the point where it's too late to make changes. None of them have come out and said the the tables have turned. The Github leaks are new to us, but they are actually older than the leaks we've gotten from insiders.
3. Los documentos, si se toman al pie de la letra, no pasan la prueba de olfateo, y una alternativa tiene más sentido
Las filtraciones tienen poco sentido como el hardware completo de PS5, lo que indica que no debe tomarlo como una certeza del rendimiento total de PS5, y tiene mucho sentido que sea una prueba de compatibilidad de PS4 Pro en modo boost para que esa posibilidad no se pueda descartar. "
- La prueba se realizó sin VRR y RT, cuando sabemos que al menos PS5 tiene RT. Esto significa que las pruebas a las que tenemos acceso no son la PS5 completa al menos de una manera.
- 36CU a 2GHz, no es una forma razonable de alcanzar 9.2TF, si ese es el objetivo. Cada bit de datos históricos y contextuales que tenemos para las consolas apunta a un enfoque amplio y lento para las APU de consola. Las eficiencias, los térmicos, los costos de enfriamiento y la confiabilidad han demostrado ser razones que triunfan sobre un APU de menor tamaño y más rápido. ¿Por qué Sony se sentiría diferente? ¿Qué tecnología cambiaría la ecuación? No conozco ninguno, así que no espero que ese enfoque cambie.
- 36CU también lo convertirían en la APU más pequeña que Sony haya fabricado en una década. En un mundo donde Sony está dominando en términos de ventas y rentabilidad, donde han salido y ayudan a que PS5 sea un producto de nicho dirigido al hardcore que es lo mejor y lo último, donde eso se corrobora por su rumores sangrientos Tecnología SSD, una APU pequeña no tiene sentido.
- Fundición digital Indicó en el artículo que se están realizando muchas pruebas de BC. Si eso es cierto, esto podría ser una prueba de BC ¿verdad? Bueno, cómo se vería eso. Presumiblemente, querrían probar un modo PS4 nativo, un modo PS4 Pro y, al igual que el PS4 Pro tenía ... Un modo PS4 Pro Boost. ¿Cómo sería la prueba del modo Boost?
- Una prueba de compatibilidad del modo PS4 Pro Boost se vería así: Exactamente las mismas CU que la PS4 Pro, un reloj "completo" desbloqueado, ningún hardware RT o VRS activado. ¿Qué tenemos en la fuga? 36CU (exactamente lo mismo que la PS4 Pro), 2Ghz, el rumoreado reloj completo de la PS5, No RT ni VRS indicados.
Fin de la cita.
1. Debo agregar que Jason Schreier dijo que tanto Sony como Microsoft apuntaban a un número más alto que el Stadia 10.7 TF de Google, (no hay calificadores GCN / RDNA aquí) DESPUÉS de que salió el rumor de los 12 TFs de la Serie X de Xbox, así que eso es todo.
2. Debo agregar que Andrew Reiner dijo que PS5 es más potente que XSX y que en ese momento sabían que XSX es una máquina de 12 TFs, como lo dice Arthur Gies, quien trabaja en Polygon.
3. También ahora el clavo final en el ataúd para la fuga de GitHub es que AMD CONFIRMED PS5 tendrá una GPU Navi 2X RDNA 2 con Hardware RT y VRS.
4. Matt (excelente historial) y Kleegamefan (alguien que fue verificado dos veces y es un veterano de la industria por más de 20 años), ambos han negado que Oberon sea el hardware final de PS5, y Klee dijo que PS5 es más poderoso que XSX un poco
5. AMD incluso ha hablado de emular y simular hardware y arquitecturas futuras para productos futuros para racionalizar y ajustar los procesos y cosas por el estilo, esto explica la existencia de Oberon y algunas otras pruebas, y eso se puede encontrar aquí, a las 46:00 .
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Just turn on a PS4 Pro. Problem solved.Regarding XSX, one thing I really hope they do is make their controllers less noisy. My xbone controllers are so loud at night they're too annoying. My wife complains all the time tells me the noise does her head in and asks if I can do something about it. She even moved to the other room!
Thanks! This is interesting as we're trying to think of such things - what makes sense to cover next-gen? We're looking at new ways to handle resolution as well - in a more visual way. Maybe latency is something too? We'll see what is possible but loading makes sense. I assume everything will be very fast, though, if they're using such fast storage.Dark from digital foundry I love your content the most . Much more balanced contributer to the channel. Keep up the good work . You guys thinking of adding load time comparisons if ps5 and xsx end up with same res and frame ? Which area would you guys gonna focus? Which can keep the frames and res more consistently and maybe asset streaming speed?load times ?
Definitely after TLOU 2.We're most likely not getting a reveal until mid April/early May. If Sony's planning a later but before E3 reveal then personally I'd prefer mid May, the weather's nicer and good news coupled with good weather is always a plus.
Don't overreact, you know he's talking about the leaks, not the site.Death of GitHub? Do you know what Github even is and it's use in the industry? You realize that many Sony sponsored projects most likely use private repos in GitHub too? Not to mention probably a majority of the software industry etc...
Many posts in this thread from many different posters show a substantial ignorance on this subject.
That's why I still think Tommy Fisher send those fake photos to "discredit" himself after him or his sources receiving a warning? Just a guess.
XDF already have GitHub leaks, they can ignore everything else.Why don’t Sony and Microsoft just bombard the internet with so many fakes that even if a real leak surfaced it’ll be ignored as fake?