WouldYouKindly
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Seriously if the ps5 comes out to even being 12.1TF this forum will burn to the ground lol
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Roronoa Zoro
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What's more confident? To trust that you can be silent and still be fine or feeling the need to constantly hype a thing up before anyone can even preorder?
lepermessiah
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hahahahaha oh ma gawd. subsurface azz scattering lol ray traced cheese. you will need 3-d audio to hear da sound of that !!!
Yazz dat ray traced audio will be me deep in euphoric orgasm as I gaze like a horny gizzard at dem meticulous blades of texel dense grass and ASS.
Mass Shift
Member
Your response doesn't contradict anything I said about him.
gamerforever
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They dominate multiple other markets and I wouldn’t want them to dominate the gaming market too. Sony also changed gaming for everyone. We would be a generation or two behind if they didn’t come to the gaming market.
i ear you but to me its not the Sony PlayStation i got tho know all those years but hey never to late to have a different approach
i get it. I would want MS to dominate the gaming market either, to much monopoly
Sorry i meant wouldn’t
FeiRR
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I agree with that. For example, you have no idea about figures of speech.
Evilms
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PS5 and Xbox Series X could use the same AMD tech for photo-realistic graphics
Sony’s PlayStation 5 will also use RDNA 2 technology, heavy hint suggests
FranXico
Member
Take it as a complementary view. In your opinion, he would not dismiss the github leak. In my view, he wouldn't have taken it at face value either.
We are probably both right in this case.
demigod
Member
Did anyone catch this during the webcast? Apparently he said “platforms”.
“With that, you will greatly simplify the content development – developers can develop on one platform and easily port it to the other platform. This will definitely help speed up the adoption [of ray tracing].”
Note that the plural of ‘consoles’ is used, suggesting that both the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation will make use of AMD’s RDNA 2 architecture.
Port for thought
The fact that Wang talks about porting from one platform to the other – presumably meaning across both consoles, given the context of the statement – further reinforces the suggestion of the PS5 coming with RDNA 2 running through its GPU veins.
PS5 and Xbox Series X could use the same AMD tech for photo-realistic graphics
Sony’s PlayStation 5 will also use RDNA 2 technology, heavy hint suggestswww.techradar.com
“With that, you will greatly simplify the content development – developers can develop on one platform and easily port it to the other platform. This will definitely help speed up the adoption [of ray tracing].”
Note that the plural of ‘consoles’ is used, suggesting that both the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation will make use of AMD’s RDNA 2 architecture.
Port for thought
The fact that Wang talks about porting from one platform to the other – presumably meaning across both consoles, given the context of the statement – further reinforces the suggestion of the PS5 coming with RDNA 2 running through its GPU veins.
B_Boss
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pasterpl
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According to people with no hidden-agendas or ulterior motives -- AMD was actually talking about the yet to be announced, confirmed, or revealed Xbox Series S AND not the PS5.
some say that this is related to xbsex and Lockhart and others claim it will be xbsex and psv...IMO This is related to xbsex and ps5
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Psst, hey, kids, want some news...?
I don't have any, its Sunday, and even if I did, I would send it to Mod Of War first.
Keep it between us, ok?
I don't have any, its Sunday, and even if I did, I would send it to Mod Of War first.
Keep it between us, ok?
pasterpl
Member
probably the worst possible scenario for gamers. Any monopoly is bad. It stops innovation. Eg. We don’t know how online gaming would look on consoles if not for Microsoft. I know that for some odd reasons people don’t like ms as a company, but hoping for others to fail is childish..
zubairali2
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TLZ
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I wouldn't want any console maker to be out. We, as customers, definitely don't want a monopoly. It's never good for us. Having more means we see them push each other further trying to one up the competition. We don't want laziness.
LED Guy?
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An off-topic question, what does an "astroturfer" or "astroturfing" mean? I searched it up on Google and Wikipedia but didn't really understand it, can you simplify it or maybe give me an example of it by using Xbox fanboys as an example?
Bo_Hazem
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For those incomplete ones they'll just scale to 8K or to 4K, so they are there already with current gen.
DrDamn
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/awaits slew of click bait articles on whether it really is Sunday when GitHub cleanly states it's last July still.
I don't understand that point of view, especialy with most people saying they want the competitors to deliver products that are so close that you can buy either without seeing any diference. So you want competition but not too much, so we don't lose a competitor ?
Online gaming was a thing before MS came into the game, and it would have most likely been a thing without them.
We could consider that Steam has been in monopoly state for a long period of time, yet they added many features to their service for free ( more like the 30% they take on what they sell ).
Monopoly has less to do with innovation than it has to do with economic domination.
There would be no issue at all with a 12tf vs 20tf unless the 20tf is cheaper or at the same price as the 12tf, and even then it depends if the one really fucking with the customer is not the 12tf being overpriced.
Appreciate that. Honestly, we do our best and you know I just share what I think on any subject. I'm not really hardcore into any of the current machines, to be honest, my real love remains focused on older platforms - especially older Sega machines. That's where I spend most of my gaming money + free-time, at least.
Either way, with all this virus shit has only further increased anxiety for me (was always an issue but it's increased now) and I kinda feel like none of this console war shit even matters anymore. It's really changed my whole viewpoint on it. So, for those watching, take things as you like but try to not take it too seriously. It's just not that important.
Bo_Hazem
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Bo_Hazem
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That's why I still think Tommy Fisher send those fake photos to "discredit" himself after him or his sources receiving a warning? Just a guess.
geordiemp
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MMM, if he had posted the picture maybe, BUT he sent picture to mod war as a PM...which I interpreted as look I have info therefore verify me as legit and it backfired.
Mass Shift
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Absolutely. I really would have liked to have heard his view on the githubs one way or the other. He had great insight.
Bo_Hazem
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It's amazing that Samsung is aiming for 3nm, let's take moment and see what that means compared to human's hair:
Meaning human hair has between 80,000-100,000 nanometers diameter!
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
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M.Night Shyamalan
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You do your best D dark10x and I really appreciate what you do. Dictator and Richard... they can't hide their fanboyism and console warring streaks. They both do it in different ways. Dictator going on Era saying things to stoke a fanboy war, Richard and his glass half full approach to MS, remember how balanced the launch Xbox One was?
I wish you had your own setup man, I would support the hell out of your good work.
ethomaz
Banned
He was very clear to me.
GitHub story about PS5 needs to die... not the platform/service GitHub that was never discussed in this threads lol
2ndKrueger
Neo Member
Next week.. please. I can't go another week with no news
Agnostic2020
Member
March 31 is Tuesday its exactly same time frame between wired article 1 and 2(175 days later)
Maybe we get a wired article on that day about specs? Or few info and a date for online ps meeting
Maybe we get a wired article on that day about specs? Or few info and a date for online ps meeting
Bo_Hazem
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Paid shills who try to make for example Xbox sound better and PS5 bad, vise versa.
I just wanna know what "NeoGAF" means.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
LED Guy?
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Oh thank you, now I understand it, they really are, guys like Colteastwood, Dee Batch, Dealer Gaming are astroturfers for real.
Also this is the meaning NeoGAF.
Agnostic2020
Member
Dark from digital foundry I love your content the most . Much more balanced contributer to the channel. Keep up the good work . You guys thinking of adding load time comparisons if ps5 and xsx end up with same res and frame ? Which area would you guys gonna focus? Which can keep the frames and res more consistently and maybe asset streaming speed?load times ?
TLZ
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Regarding XSX, one thing I really hope they do is make their controllers less noisy. My xbone controllers are so loud at night they're too annoying. My wife complains all the time tells me the noise does her head in and asks if I can do something about it. She even moved to the other room!
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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Oh man I have found an AWESOME post by someone on REEEE, goes into full explanation about why the Oberon GitHub leak isn't the final PS5 hardware, he said the following...
By Jeffrem:
There are 3 reasons to question the implications of the leaked documents:
1. They are full of mistakes and inaccuracies
However confident you are that PS5 is 36 CUs, must must be equally confident that Lockhart is 56CUs. Or the other way around, how ever skeptical you are that these leaks confirm Lockhart is 56CUs, you must be equally skeptical these leaks confirm PS5 is 36CUs.
- There are files in wrong folders, there are sub folders and wrong folders. Again, when people say these are legitimate, they mean that this is what is legitimately in the files, not that the files are correct or accurate all the time.
- The biggest issue is that they claim Spakrman (Lockhart) is 56CUs. Every reason you have to believe Oberon is PS5, you have to believe that Sparkman is Lockhart. Sparkman BC mode indicates it can replicate a One S.
2. The leaks if taken at face value, fly in the face of every credible insider we have, including develeper sources and industry sources, that say the Series X and PS5 are very close in power.
Entonces, los conocedores reales que realmente conocen las especificaciones de destino de la PS5 y Xbox Series X (en lugar de sacar conclusiones de puntos de datos indirectos y no textualizados) con una red de fuentes (en lugar de un bloc de notas interno) están diciendo algo al contrario de lo que la fuga indica a su valor nominal.
- We've had Jason Schreier News Editor of Kotaku, Andrew Reiner Executive Editor at Game Informer, Our own Mods, and Vetted industry insider and veteran Klee, and other insiders all say the consoles are close in power.
- They specifically claim PS5 and Scarlett were close in power according to those sources. And All of that is in the same time window these leaks are from, which according to DF is the point where it's too late to make changes. None of them have come out and said the the tables have turned. The Github leaks are new to us, but they are actually older than the leaks we've gotten from insiders.
3. Los documentos, si se toman al pie de la letra, no pasan la prueba de olfateo, y una alternativa tiene más sentido
Las filtraciones tienen poco sentido como el hardware completo de PS5, lo que indica que no debe tomarlo como una certeza del rendimiento total de PS5, y tiene mucho sentido que sea una prueba de compatibilidad de PS4 Pro en modo boost para que esa posibilidad no se pueda descartar. "
- La prueba se realizó sin VRR y RT, cuando sabemos que al menos PS5 tiene RT. Esto significa que las pruebas a las que tenemos acceso no son la PS5 completa al menos de una manera.
- 36CU a 2GHz, no es una forma razonable de alcanzar 9.2TF, si ese es el objetivo. Cada bit de datos históricos y contextuales que tenemos para las consolas apunta a un enfoque amplio y lento para las APU de consola. Las eficiencias, los térmicos, los costos de enfriamiento y la confiabilidad han demostrado ser razones que triunfan sobre un APU de menor tamaño y más rápido. ¿Por qué Sony se sentiría diferente? ¿Qué tecnología cambiaría la ecuación? No conozco ninguno, así que no espero que ese enfoque cambie.
- 36CU también lo convertirían en la APU más pequeña que Sony haya fabricado en una década. En un mundo donde Sony está dominando en términos de ventas y rentabilidad, donde han salido y ayudan a que PS5 sea un producto de nicho dirigido al hardcore que es lo mejor y lo último, donde eso se corrobora por su rumores sangrientos Tecnología SSD, una APU pequeña no tiene sentido.
- Fundición digital Indicó en el artículo que se están realizando muchas pruebas de BC. Si eso es cierto, esto podría ser una prueba de BC ¿verdad? Bueno, cómo se vería eso. Presumiblemente, querrían probar un modo PS4 nativo, un modo PS4 Pro y, al igual que el PS4 Pro tenía ... Un modo PS4 Pro Boost. ¿Cómo sería la prueba del modo Boost?
- Una prueba de compatibilidad del modo PS4 Pro Boost se vería así: Exactamente las mismas CU que la PS4 Pro, un reloj "completo" desbloqueado, ningún hardware RT o VRS activado. ¿Qué tenemos en la fuga? 36CU (exactamente lo mismo que la PS4 Pro), 2Ghz, el rumoreado reloj completo de la PS5, No RT ni VRS indicados.
Fin de la cita.
1. Debo agregar que Jason Schreier dijo que tanto Sony como Microsoft apuntaban a un número más alto que el Stadia 10.7 TF de Google, (no hay calificadores GCN / RDNA aquí) DESPUÉS de que salió el rumor de los 12 TFs de la Serie X de Xbox, así que eso es todo.
2. Debo agregar que Andrew Reiner dijo que PS5 es más potente que XSX y que en ese momento sabían que XSX es una máquina de 12 TFs, como lo dice Arthur Gies, quien trabaja en Polygon.
3. También ahora el clavo final en el ataúd para la fuga de GitHub es que AMD CONFIRMED PS5 tendrá una GPU Navi 2X RDNA 2 con Hardware RT y VRS.
4. Matt (excelente historial) y Kleegamefan (alguien que fue verificado dos veces y es un veterano de la industria por más de 20 años), ambos han negado que Oberon sea el hardware final de PS5, y Klee dijo que PS5 es más poderoso que XSX un poco
5. AMD incluso ha hablado de emular y simular hardware y arquitecturas futuras para productos futuros para racionalizar y ajustar los procesos y cosas por el estilo, esto explica la existencia de Oberon y algunas otras pruebas, y eso se puede encontrar aquí, a las 46:00 .
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Quiero que [USER = 416651]OsirisBlack [/ USER] ingrese mi comentario sobre todo esto.
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CrashNBurn_281
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
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Thanks! This is interesting as we're trying to think of such things - what makes sense to cover next-gen? We're looking at new ways to handle resolution as well - in a more visual way. Maybe latency is something too? We'll see what is possible but loading makes sense. I assume everything will be very fast, though, if they're using such fast storage.
Bogroll
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I'm a firm believer that both consoles are fairly even but if Xbox releases XSX and Ps5 gets delayed. I start to think was it 9.2 tf.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
Member
PS5 and Xbox Series X could use the same AMD tech for photo-realistic graphics
Sony’s PlayStation 5 will also use RDNA 2 technology, heavy hint suggests
Neo Blaster
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Definitely after TLOU 2.
Neo Blaster
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Don't overreact, you know he's talking about the leaks, not the site.
Mriverz
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We had another one Sdfc Sdf idk something like that. Seemed like he had legit info and then he post the ps5 dev kit that was already posted online. tried to crop/cover the image. But he got exposed real fast. To many photoshop pros here
Neo Blaster
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XDF already have GitHub leaks, they can ignore everything else.
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