B_Boss
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I miss the good old days when we were looking at Amanda... Now we're looking at some ungodly ostrich head
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Shmunter
Member
Did you miss the announced Sony strategy. “We believe in generations”
PS5 is as the PS4 was to PS3, PS3 to ps2 and so on. Architecture is just tech.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Please do. Thank you.
MasterCornholio
Member
I am down for this, it's sorta frustrating to wake up every day and keep watching the June 11th event reaction videos on youtube and wait patiently until we hear and something more concrete about PS5
It's what I'm hoping for to be honest. They could just record a short video with the launch details and price. Then they can have another event where we see more of the hardware and games. It's how I would do it if I was really concerned about the competition undercutting my product.
MasterCornholio
Member
They do it that way on Playstation to avoid confusion.
Dave_at_Home
Member
WTF are you doing with that blue account? Take this, Medal of Insiders.
And to ease your suffering with the auto-refresh feature, here's a video I uploaded an hour ago:
Did you manage to find the PS5 somewhere in there? Last known whereabouts of Cerny?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Thanks, bro, was testing the new drone that got a zoom feature update lately, so that dolly/parallx effect is done natively with the zoom feature instead of pure editing sorcery
. This is the first flight with the Mavic Air 2. We're active here if you're interested in photography/videography:
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There were previously separate threads for photography and camera gear in previous years, but in the interest of generating more discussion, I decided to start up a new community thread that combined both topics. It's never been easier to get into photography, with most dedicated cameras being...
Mark Cerny isn't a true person, he's a program, made out of pure artificial intelligence, the highest in that regard.
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GreyHand23
Member
This guy doesn't completely understand what he's saying. Yes the demo was great, but only the Nanite portion was being compared to Fortnite on PS4, not the entire demo.
Mr Moose
Member
Mine just says "PS5 is coming | Discover a deeper gaming experience - Lightning speed | Breathtaking immersion | Stunning games" and has a trailer and a link to the PS5 page. Not sure if it's the same as the one a few weeks back, too lazy to check, I think its slightly different.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That's a nice way of saying he has no fucking clue what he's talking about.
Dr.D00p
Gold Member
Bollocks...he's just another tedious talking head on Youtube, who operates on the same principal as all the other talking head YouTuber's, namely that even a broken watch is correct twice a day.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Pretty much but I don’t blame him because that’s the rule not the exception regarding people talking about PS5 tech.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Bo_Hazem @sircaw @Bryank75 do you think Sony might wait until October to start talking PS5 again, by talking I am referring to another event where you see in depth gameplay demos, UI reveal, price and pre order info and probably a couple of unannounced titles gets revealed and then November the console launches. Or do you think Sony already has an event edited out and ready to be aired the moment Microsoft reveals Series S and pricing for Series S and X?
Can't say, Sony is pretty unpredictable. I can see something happening this month, it's not good to go radio silent this month. We need gameplay from Spiderman MM or Demon's Souls at least.
I think the new cards will make Sony and Microsoft calculate their pricing wisely.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's almost like we shouldn't be posting what random people on twitter say on this forum....
The PS5 I/O is over twice as fast + even better compression.. it's gonna do things the XSX can't. We'll really have to wait and see what that entails though as far as games (other than much better load times, which is enough for me to easily make PS5 my lead platform)
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
I’ve been saying this for a long time yet we still get posts from random fake insiders on here. Same fake insiders that got proven fake and wrong over and over and over again. People are just so desperate to the point of following every random rumor without logic.
BadBreathOfTheWild
Member
Got a source for that? As I said, it was according to Sony’s IO patent that data streams into RAM before the IO block checks in the data into where it’s needed by the application.
Shmunter
Member
Ray traced Gi & shadows? Sing me up
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
We'll literally have like half the posts on the page be about some Xbox fanboy on twitter being a moron, and I'll click their profile and they'll have 12 followers lol Just as bad as the fake insiders to me.. who f-ing cares?
I complain about it weekly lol
Shmunter
Member
Yes directly from Cerney, in his GCC announcement. Sorry, you’ll need to sift through it.
Edit : Found a summary, you’re welcome...
“The next component is the Dedicated DMA Controller. This controller directs the game on where to send the data flow coming out of the decompressed data from the decompressor. That is the job of this chip. It gets the decompressed data and tells the game where to send it. Cerny states " this equates to ANOTHER Zen2 core or two worth of performance ". So again it is a powerful unit for processing the data but it is much less intensive since it is just basically a traffic controller. You go here, you go there, you go there. So it doesn't need a gigantic amount of power to handle the decompressed data flow.”
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Thoughts
Who is "NB" and where is this from and why should anyone listen to them?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
what does it say? I am unable to view the tweet nor the message posted by the original gaf member
CrysisFreak
Banned
Thoughts
I don't think about mentally ill people.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
My lead platform is PS5 because of PS Studios games regardless of power.
funking giblet
Member
Thoughts
Why am I reading a tweet from a fucking moron?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
XSS has advanced VRS, PS5 doesn't appear to have any... XBox has specific hardware for Mesh Shaders, PS5 only has primitive shaders (but primitive shaders are pretty good.)
Probably more absolute made up bullshit since that's all this forum seems to want to talk about lol
This person don't know he or she is talking about or they do & just like giving false info to troll.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Well I mean for 3rd parties.
I also don't think the graphics will be better on XSX.. but even if they are, I'd choose load time over graphics for 3rd party games unless for some strange reason framerates were also worse.
Lethal01
Member
Thoughts
We don't know that PS5 doesn't have VRS.
We don't know that PS5 doesn't have mesh shaders.
If PS5 doesn't have mesh shaders, we don't know if the customization to the geometry engine won't still make it more efficient.
Thoughts?
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Three Jackdaws
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Thoughts
Sounds like it was written from a skeptical person with fanboy like tendencies....
Alex Battaglia?
Red_Driver85
Member
Dude, much more than 2x. You just... It's really fucking fast, no joke.
Moridianae
Member
Mr Moose
Member
I thought it might be nota bene but not too sure.
It's someone talking out of their ass.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Raw speed wise it's a bit over 2x as fast as XSX. Then as I mentioned, it has better compression. But compression is just for textures and you can't just multiply that in for all I/O.
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BadBreathOfTheWild
Member
The summary you quoted doesn’t negate what I understand Sony’s IO patent to be saying. The reddit post you quoted from is also off the mark on several other points.
Nothing in Cerny’s talk negates what the IO patent with his name on says, either.
Also, data streaming from the SSD into RAM before being checked-in by the IO Complex doesn’t mean it’s not in “real time”. The IO Complex doesn’t need to wait until the whole thing is copied across before it begins.
The same would be true of what Nvidia aims to do, from my understanding, too. Which is why I brought it up.
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Red_Driver85
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geordiemp
Member
There is RAM on the IO, review Cerny schematic
Shmunter
Member
Sorry, you’re completely wrong. It wouldn’t even be logical to have a decompressor bolted onto the i/o if it wasn’t decompresssing during you know....I/o
Not the case for a pc GPU, unless there is something I’m not aware off
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Red_Driver85
Member
It's not about i/o itself, in raw numbers. Data management in the PS5 in the most inconvenient, uncomfortable case is significantly superior to the XsX solution. Just wait and see what I'm talking about. Ok?
ethomaz
Banned
Thoughts
VRS tiers is due old hardware limitation.
Tier 0: No support.
Tier 1: Hardware support with limitations (eg. RDNA)
Tier 2: Actual hardware support (eg. RDNA 2).
Tier 3? Future GPUs hardware (look at the table below there is feature with N in Tier 2).
That is how Direct X works... they add new Tier with new hardware so you have a abstraction layer for old and new hardware each one supporting a set of features (Tiers)
Variable-rate shading (VRS) - Win32 apps
Variable-rate shading—or coarse pixel shading—is a mechanism that lets you allocate rendering performance/power at rates that vary across your rendered image.
docs.microsoft.com
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BadBreathOfTheWild
Member
Yes there is something you’re not aware of. As I said in the last reply, the SSD initially streaming into RAM before the IO Complex performs check-in doesn’t mean that it’s not real-time, or that it’s somehow now not part of “I/O” any more.
This was in response to you saying PC is inefficient as the data needs to be copied to a GPU’s VRAM before the GPU can decompress it.
But according to Sony’s on IO patent the PS5 essentially works the same way.
This doesn’t mean it’s not real-time. Neither does it mean it’s an extra step on PC, either, if DirectStorage and Nvidia will be streaming straight from SSD to VRAM.
System RAM (kernel) is used as a staging area and buffer for the IO Complex before it is checked “back” into System RAM (user) for the application.
At least that’s what Sony’s patent says is how their IO Complex works.
None of this contradicts what Cerny said at all. Check-in is “eliminated” as far as the CPU can see as it doesn’t see it happening, but the IO Complex is still performing that critical task of decompressing, decrypting etc from kernel memory to user memory all on the same RAM.
That’s why I was curious for a source and politely asked for one, and why I believe what Nvidia and Microsoft aim to do is fundamentally the same as far as data flow goes.
A decompressor can start working as soon as the first chunk of data hits RAM, and also deallocate the original staging area RAM once it has dealt with it.
It’s not some Windows file copy where you need to wait for the whole thing to he copied over and occupy its full space before that can begin. That applies to PS5 and Nvidia + future DirectStorage.
Instead of just telling me I’m wrong over and over, and telling me I’m welcome for some reddit amateur analysis of what’s going on; how about we all just focus on primary sources and actually trying to figure out how all of this cool shit works.
To my knowledge Nvidia’s approach to decompressing data bound for the GPU isn’t inefficient (or less efficient than PS5) because it’s decompressing from and to its VRAM. I’m happy to be corrected—I’m only here to learn. I asked for a source in case I’d missed out on some other new patent or primary source that supersedes what I already learned from the patent someone else helpfully provided in this thread months ago.
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Red_Driver85
Member
You're wrong. Data that is unpacked from ssd, stored and ready to be read in memory. The whole process is very fast. Your method or from the patent, it's wrong, a little dumb and meaningless.
Shmunter
Member
You’re reaching for the stars when the most simple answer and even stated info is in front of you. You’ll just need to wait for a tear down to convince yourself.
thurnishaleygw
Member
Ubisoft registers “SPLINTER CELL” title rights with the USA names office
Trademark Status & Document Retrieval
tsdr.uspto.gov
BadBreathOfTheWild
Member
Another person telling me I’m wrong.
Have you got a source for that? As I said, I’m only going by what Sony’s own patent said, which to my knowledge is the deepest dive we’ve had yet on what they’re doing, and also in no way contradicted by Cerny’s Road to PS5 sermon.
This isn’t my own idea or theory. If you want to say the patent is wrong then I’m interested to know why as I’ve clearly missed something.
DeadOblivion78
Banned
The guy posting this stupid article is a hardcore xbox fanboy. Don't listen to any of his tweets. About as bad as timdog.
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geordiemp
Member
The source is the schematic of Cernys presentation, which shows local SRAM on the IO and the flow of data is clear.
You have seen it posted on GAF allot.
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