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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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pawel86ck

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sonomamashine said:
i saw some comments people worried about 9TF + ryzen could do, i already posted this before, this is the only Real Time trailer of a next gen game i saw in the game awards, the graphics are good (for an early kit) and look at those movements, looks like every leaf has it own physics (and thats what ryzen does).
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I'm worried now if we will get 9.2TF PS5. 2GHz is a lot even on PC market so I'm guessing AMD was just stress testing PS5 GPU. PS5 may end up slower than 9.2TF.
 
xool

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pawel86ck said:
I'm worried now if we will get 9.2TF PS5. 2GHz is a lot even on PC market so I'm guessing AMD was just stress testing PS5 GPU. PS5 may end up slower than 9.2TF.
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meh it's ~20% diff, maybe +30% tops if Scarlett is 12+TF (more like 11) .. most console stuff is all sub-native upscaled checkerboard anway .. PS5 titles will only be inferior on close inspection

In 6 months to a year they should be able to go over to 6nm or whatever sub-node there is -- will make the high clocks a lot easier to stomach

..still might jump ship though
 
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llien

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Another estimate puts XSeX's chip at 350mm2 (much more realistic, imo)



Another take inlinewith 400mm2 estimate:

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Lort

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xool said:
meh it's ~20%, maybe +30% tops if Scarlett is 12+TF (more like 11) .. most console stuff is all sub-native upscaled checkerboard anway .. PS5 titles will only be inferior on close inspection

..still might jump ship though
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I think the era of resolution wars hopefully may be over... there is such little visual difference between 8k and 4k on a normal 60 inch sized screen (even up close). I would rather they spend it with more visual effects... which may mean a slightly higher chance of noticing the difference between two console that are 15% apart in capability... but it will also mean more likely to see the difference bwteen the 2 xbox consoles.

I doubt the Lockhart will be released this year.. i think they will only release the Anaconda.. then next year trim the lineup and replace the xbxox one x with Lockhart.. that way they can focus on a single stronger advertising theme of being the most powerful console.
 
chilichote

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I have a question.

In the Opening of the AMD Press Conference at CES we saw multiple products/projects with AMD-Hardware.

Then came the XSeX and in between the XSeX and PS5-Placeholder i could read "the first 7nm GPU" or similar. It looked that it belonged to XSeX.

Is this the confirmation, the XSeX-SOC is 7nm and not 7nm+ or EUV?
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Just trying to reassure people that are all doom and gloom over any 9tf "leak" that is still a beast of a console.
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neither console can reach 11 tflops at the moment...now from what I heard Microsoft started sending units around mid July and I can confirm from one developer ps5 developing tools gives you more performance that will change once developers get to spend more time with the xbox unit
 
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Nikana

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Lort said:
I think the era of resolution wars hopefully may be over... there is such little visual difference between 8k and 4k on a normal 60 inch sized screen (even up close). I would rather they spend it with more visual effects... which may mean a slightly higher chance of noticing the difference between two console that are 15% apart in capability... but it will also mean more likely to see the difference bwteen the 2 xbox consoles.

I doubt the Lockhart will be released this year.. i think they will only release the Anaconda.. then next year trim the lineup and replace the xbxox one x with Lockhart.. that way they can focus on a single stronger advertising theme of being the most powerful console.
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if Lockhart is a thing, which it seems more and more likely as time has gone on, releasing it after doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It seems Lockhart exists because they know Series X isn't going to be cheap and they want a cheaper model there day 1. They want to get as many people they can upcoming holiday season and sandwiching the PS5 seems like something Microsoft would try to do.
 
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The Mad Draklor said:
Looks like you have no legitimate counterarguments, then. If your go-to tactic is strawmanning what was actually stated in the asterisks, then that is not an argument.
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Im guessing you didnt follow the whole thread which went like this...

“Xbox has 4 k games and is capable of delivering current gen games at 4k .. if a ps4 can run it at 1080p then the xbox one x can most likely run it at true 4k”
”Not it cant xbox is all false advertising”
”What are you talking about Playstation advertised 4k gaming on the pro”
”No they didnt”
”Yes they did .. here is the link”
”That dosent count because theres an asterix that says its untrue”

This whole debate was hilarious... which is why i started trolling around what the argument was that Sony was somehow more truthful in claiming 4k then qualifying it to be totally not true.. is somehow more legitimate.. than having a console that claims 4k .. and actually delivers.
 
sonomamashine

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Reindeer said:
That black PS5 logo on the box is way cooler looking than the current blue one.
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Its unlikely, browsing shelfs with blue color is more attractive than black.
Lort said:
I doubt the Lockhart will be released this year.. i think they will only release the Anaconda.. then next year trim the lineup and replace the xbxox one x with Lockhart.. that way they can focus on a single stronger advertising theme of being the most powerful console.
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Sorry but no, that will kill sells since xsx is more expensive than ps5.
 
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Nikana said:
if Lockhart is a thing, which it seems more and more likely as time has gone on, releasing it after doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It seems Lockhart exists because they know Series X isn't going to be cheap and they want a cheaper model there day 1. They want to get as many people they can upcoming holiday season and sandwiching the PS5 seems like something Microsoft would try to do.
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Maybe .. usually day 1 fans are the ones that will pay more.. but some people without so much spending money would prob like to jump on .. on day one to.. you might be right we will see!
 
Evilms

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Denis Colovic said:
The Gears 5 case?
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It highlights the many technical flaws in Gears 5 that Digital Foundry strangely overlooked in their video analysis of the game.


We all know digital foundry and their love for Microsoft, it's not new.

Everybody still remembers the 360/PS3 oriented comparisons and the favoritism towards Microsoft but maybe you're too young or you haven't lived this era.

It's just that with the arrival of alternative solutions like NX Gamer, VG Tech ... they couldn't do that anymore.
 
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Gudji

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Reindeer said:
That black PS5 logo on the box is way cooler looking than the current blue one.
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I think I like the blue one more but I also think they'll need to distinguish between PS4 and PS5 games. I wonder how it would look like if it was grey or something.
 
Gediminas

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blue is more versatile. black, not so much. looks good on Ghost because of white/black contrast. still, i am for blue, maybe for red.
 
Denis Colovic

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sonomamashine said:
Its unlikely, browsing shelfs with blue color is more attractive than black.

Sorry but no, that will kill sells since xsx is more expensive than ps5.
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Lets just assume this would be the case. The flagship Xbox model is priced higher which means enthusiasts get that one or peopel attached to the xbox brand. It would sell decent because its new and its "the most powerfull console". Now you have Lockhart competing with the PS5. It would only be natural if the majority of people would buy the cheaper console. Well speaking theoretically. People that dont feel attached to any brand of course would act that way. But since those potential two xbox consoles would release in the holiday season it would be different. Parents, grandparents, people on a budget or "casual gamer" would always buy the cheaper console. Always. Well theoretically.
 
The Mad Draklor

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Lort said:
Im guessing you didnt follow the whole thread which went like this...

“Xbox has 4 k games and is capable of delivering current gen games at 4k .. if a ps4 can run it at 1080p then the xbox one x can most likely run it at true 4k”
”Not it cant xbox is all false advertising”
”What are you talking about Playstation advertised 4k gaming on the pro”
”No they didnt”
”Yes they did .. here is the link”
”That dosent count because theres an asterix that says its untrue”

This whole debate was hilarious... which is why i started trolling around what the argument was that Sony was somehow more truthful in claiming 4k then qualifying it to be totally not true.. is somehow more legitimate.. than having a console that claims 4k .. and actually delivers.
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So you were basically strawmanning arguments and when you were asked if your mental health was okay, you made a response that meant for a different person because you were too obsessed with not actually making legitimate arguments.
 
joe_zazen

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Denis Colovic said:
Lets just assume this would be the case. The flagship Xbox model is priced higher which means enthusiasts get that one or peopel attached to the xbox brand. It would sell decent because its new and its "the most powerfull console". Now you have Lockhart competing with the PS5. It would only be natural if the majority of people would buy the cheaper console. Well speaking theoretically. People that dont feel attached to any brand of course would act that way. But since those potential two xbox consoles would release in the holiday season it would be different. Parents, grandparents, people on a budget or "casual gamer" would always buy the cheaper console. Always. Well theoretically.
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Maybe. Lots of people like me though, who always choose something i the middle as i am neither trash nor part of the ruling class.
 
xool

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Lort said:
I think the era of resolution wars hopefully may be over... there is such little visual difference between 8k and 4k on a normal 60 inch sized screen (even up close).
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The number of people that are so far away from the TV that they can't read in-game text tells me this too .. if you can't read it you can't see the pixels..


Gediminas said:
blue is more versatile. black, not so much. looks good on Ghost because of white/black contrast. still, i am for blue, maybe for red.
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sonomamashine said:
Red - nintendo switch
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Denis Colovic said:
Lets just assume this would be the case. The flagship Xbox model is priced higher which means enthusiasts get that one or peopel attached to the xbox brand. It would sell decent because its new and its "the most powerfull console". Now you have Lockhart competing with the PS5. It would only be natural if the majority of people would buy the cheaper console. Well speaking theoretically. People that dont feel attached to any brand of course would act that way. But since those potential two xbox consoles would release in the holiday season it would be different. Parents, grandparents, people on a budget or "casual gamer" would always buy the cheaper console. Always. Well theoretically.
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Wrong thread people :

www.neogaf.com

PS5 Box Art : Do you want it Black or Blue ?

PS3 we got black box art PS4 we got blue Which one do you preffered for PS5? Which one is better in your opinion?
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
 
sonomamashine

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Denis Colovic said:
Lets just assume this would be the case. The flagship Xbox model is priced higher which means enthusiasts get that one or peopel attached to the xbox brand. It would sell decent because its new and its "the most powerfull console". Now you have Lockhart competing with the PS5. It would only be natural if the majority of people would buy the cheaper console. Well speaking theoretically. People that dont feel attached to any brand of course would act that way. But since those potential two xbox consoles would release in the holiday season it would be different. Parents, grandparents, people on a budget or "casual gamer" would always buy the cheaper console. Always. Well theoretically.
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Thats what i said, if they dont release lockhart alongside with xsx, ps5 gonna outsell xbox.
 
Denis Colovic

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Evilms said:



It highlights the many technical flaws in Gears 5 that Digital Foundry strangely overlooked in their video analysis of the game.


We all know digital foundry and their love for Microsoft, it's not new.

Everybody still remembers the 360/PS3 oriented comparisons and the favoritism towards Microsoft but maybe you're too young or you haven't lived this era.

It's just that with the arrival of alternative solutions like NX Gamer, VG Tech ... they couldn't do that anymore.
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Interesting. Im watching DF quite regularly since the ps3/xbox 360 gen but never noticed any "favoritism" towards a certain platform. To me all technical breakdowns seemed very objective and profesional. Regarding missing certain flaws: well you can overlook things thats only human. Everyone makes mistakes.Nevertheless thanks for the attached videos. Im gonna watch em any make a revised opinion about DF afterwards.
 
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bitbydeath said:
What happened to the spec unveil you said would happen yesterday?
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Did I ever mention CES what I do know the wired got one more article to reveal right now is hard to get any info Sony and Microsoft keeping lips tight they getting ready for the full reveal most likely at E3 you guys always complaining
 
Nikana

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Lort said:
Maybe .. usually day 1 fans are the ones that will pay more.. but some people without so much spending money would prob like to jump on .. on day one to.. you might be right we will see!
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Day 1 yes but that holiday is going to be important too. That race to 10k is extremely important and history shows whoever hits 10k first does the best. With M$ having two consoles though and what appears to very different price points, that muddies the argument a bit I think.
 
Mass Shift

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Evilms said:



It highlights the many technical flaws in Gears 5 that Digital Foundry strangely overlooked in their video analysis of the game.


We all know digital foundry and their love for Microsoft, it's not new.

Everybody still remembers the 360/PS3 oriented comparisons and the favoritism towards Microsoft but maybe you're too young or you haven't lived this era.

It's just that with the arrival of alternative solutions like NX Gamer, VG Tech ... they couldn't do that anymore.
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You want to know why this fails? Because DF manages to keep it professional, without sounding like an angry cursing rant.

I would have given this points but it sounds so personal and vindictive.
 
demigod

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-Jay-Rod- said:
Did I ever mention CES what I do know the wired got one more article to reveal right now is hard to get any info Sony and Microsoft keeping lips tight they getting ready for the full reveal most likely at E3 you guys always complaining
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You quoted the guy mentioning CES. Now you are copping out. Can we get Mod of War Mod of War to vet this dude please?
 
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