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[Rightisright]

Hardcore gamer already has it buy set no matter what MS or Sony shows.

BTW do you realize nobody knows the TFs of MS console and it could be 9.2TFs too?

Im willing to bet the XSX isnt 9.2 tflops. The 12+tflops will be pretty much where the Xbox comes in. Phil has said twice the power of One X, DF said they had it confirmed at 12tflops RDNA, the most accurate leak that came out on Reddit last year had it at 12tflops, the AMD leaks had the GPU at 56cus, which at a very reasonable clock will get 12tflops.
You go where the information takes you. All the leaks have the XSX at 12tflops, so you would assume that's where it will be.
The AMD leaks have been pretty consistent that the PS5 will have 36CUs and a 2.0ghz clock. That's really the only inside info we have. I dont count so called insiders like Klee as reliable. So at this point things point to a 9.2tflops PS5. Now I'm not hoping it's 9.2tflops, I'm not saying it WILL be 9.2tflops, im just going where the evidence is pointing, and thats where it stands now. It's just like RT on PS5. We had no mention of RT with the AMD leaks, however Cerny has come out and said hardware RT, the Sony slide at CES said hardware RT, so the evidence points clearly that it has hardware RT.

 

[ethomaz]

So pretty much every outlet and digital foundry are saying xbox 12 and ps5 9.2 so what do all of you know that they don't?

Maybe we didn’t know more than anybody else but we don’t use fake news as base for articles.

 

[Rightisright]

Ad nauseam fallacy. You're just repeating the same claim with different wording. You already 3 pieces of evidence that goes against your claim, none of which you have successfully refuted:

1. Sony did not immediately address rumors of the PS4 only having 4 GB of RAM. Later in February, Sony announced that it would have 8 GB of RAM. Whether 4 GB were originally planned or not did not matter.
2. Sony also did not quickly address rumors of the PS4 having the same kind of DRM as the Xbox One after the latte's reveal. Instead, they remained quiet until E3 as a strategic move. This is why the possibility of Sony staying silent on the PS5 specs for a "surprise" (it's only a surprise for the people who keep believing unconfirmed rumors). holds merit.
3. Sony did not quickly address rumors of the PS5 not having raytracing. Rumors of it began floating around in December 27, 2019. It was not until January 6, 2020 where Sony proved those rumors to be false. That is 1.5 weeks later, which is not immediate.

You have not shown any historical pattern of Sony immediately shooting down negative rumors. For you claim to hold any credibility, you need to provide several examples and show the amount of time elapsed between every negative rumor that began going around to when Sony addressed it. You need to show that it has been a consistent pattern, not just a few moments here and there.

For example, look at how people reacted to Microsoft not reporting the MAU anymore. Why did they react so strongly? Because for the vast majority of the generation (IIRC, starting in 2014), Microsoft reported the MAU every quarter. However, last fiscal quarter, Microsoft didn't report their MAU even though Gamepass should theoretically boost those numbers. That deviation from the norm was significant.

TL;DR version - You failed to make rebuttals against the counterexamples to your claim and did not prove that historically, Sony addresses "negative" rumors immediately.

None are so blind than those who choose not to see.

 

[ethomaz]

Im willing to bet the XSX isnt 9.2 tflops. The 12+tflops will be pretty much where the Xbox comes in. Phil has said twice the power of One X, DF said they had it confirmed at 12tflops RDNA, the most accurate leak that came out on Reddit last year had it at 12tflops, the AMD leaks had the GPU at 56cus, which at a very reasonable clock will get 12tflops.
You go where the information takes you. All the leaks have the XSX at 12tflops, so you would assume that's where it will be.
The AMD leaks have been pretty consistent that the PS5 will have 36CUs and a 2.0ghz clock. That's really the only inside info we have. I dont count so called insiders like Klee as reliable. So at this point things point to a 9.2tflops PS5. Now I'm not hoping it's 9.2tflops, I'm not saying it WILL be 9.2tflops, im just going where the evidence is pointing, and thats where it stands now. It's just like RT on PS5. We had no mention of RT with the AMD leaks, however Cerny has come out and said hardware RT, the Sony slide at CES said hardware RT, so the evidence points clearly that it has hardware RT.

Phil never talked about TFs.
He was vague saying the GPU power of the new console is over twice the Xbox One X.

Well 9.x TFs RDNA is indeed over twice the power of 6 TFs GCN found in Xbox One X.

I’m not saying in any way the Xbox One Series X has 9TFs but people base 12 TFs in vague claims.

 

[quest]

I'll go for some mental gymnastics here, bare with me. Like I said before, Osiris gave us two numbers: 11.6 and 12.4. Since both he and Klee said PS5>XSX, let's say it's PS5 12.4 and XSX 11.6.

Trying to find a match:

PS5 at 12.4TF = [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected]. 36CUs won't make it unless you go over 2.5Ghz which makes no sense.
XSX at 11.6TF = [email protected] or [email protected].

If the RT rumor is to be believed, Sony might have gotten closer to 44 or 48CUs to save space for RT cores while MS went for a larger die with more CUs to brute force RT using those extra CUs.

Edit: I also believe the CPU will be based on the 4800U/H with 30-45W TDP.

My layman guess is Sony moved the intersection and traversal engine out of the TMUs and beefed them up to do the operations faster. So the extra cache of the engines is eating up the die space but much better RT performance. The draw back is lots of die going idle if the game is not using RT.

 

[ethomaz]

None are so blind than those who choose not to see.

You probably needs to change your username

 

[ethomaz]

My layman guess is Sony moved the intersection and traversal engine out of the TMUs and beefed them up to do the operations faster. So the extra cache of the engines is eating up the die space but much better RT performance. The draw back is lots of die going idle if the game is not using RT.

That is really a risk change in AMD arch... I don’t believe Sony goes that deep to change the RDNA.

There is a reason the AMD business is named Semi-custom and not Custom because the customers can’t change core parts of the arch.... you need to use what AMD have and add some custom things over it.

 

[quest]

That is really a risk change in AMD arch... I don’t believe Sony goes that deep to change the RDNA.

There is a reason the AMD business is named Semi-custom and not Custom because the customers can’t change core parts of the arch.

You are probably right I'm trying to think of reasonable ways Sony could have "better" RT. The off chip is nonsense and they are not using img or nvidia tech. I guess it be simple as beefing up the existing RT hardware but that is boring.

 

[Tarkus98]

I wouldn't expect a caveman to get that.

Caveman!?! That’s Conan. Lol.

 

[CraZed]

None are so blind than those who choose not to see.

 

[Mass Shift]

I think Klee's a good guy (p.s, big GameFan fan , but it's always possible that his source could be wrong. If we can entertain the idea the Github leak could be wrong, we should also be able to entertain that some of the insiders could ultimately be wrong too, on both sides.

Wouldn't mean they weren't legit, but you also can't control the legitimacy of your sources. It's like 4D level chess.

I don't know whether to feel good or more skeptical that his specs don't match.

It's another ALL or NOTHING situation. Klee is either 100% correct and the Github leaks (who we can now assume came from AMD employees) are 100% wrong.

There's no reconciliation at this point. It sets up a fantastic showdown though. If he's right, Sony will have fooled MS and pulled off a major coup, his detractors will be crushed, and everyone from DF to RedTech would have been out done by a leaker from a defunked gaming magazine from the early 90s.

Personally I think it's too much to hope for , but again it sets up an epic showdown. Someone is going to have eat crow when this is all over.

Now it can be done a number of ways. First you can eat. (Humiliation)

You can drink (Alcoholism)

or join the Night's Watch (Certain Death)

 

[ethomaz]

I'll go for some mental gymnastics here, bare with me. Like I said before, Osiris gave us two numbers: 11.6 and 12.4. Since both he and Klee said PS5>XSX, let's say it's PS5 12.4 and XSX 11.6.

Trying to find a match:

PS5 at 12.4TF = [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected]. 36CUs won't make it unless you go over 2.5Ghz which makes no sense.
XSX at 11.6TF = [email protected] or [email protected].

If the RT rumor is to be believed, Sony might have gotten closer to 44 or 48CUs to save space for RT cores while MS went for a larger die with more CUs to brute force RT using those extra CUs.

Edit: I also believe the CPU will be based on the 4800U/H with 30-45W TDP.

Just to be fair and clear I read the Klee comments and what I understand is that he never said one or another has the power advantage over the other.

What he said is that his friend that works with both devkits saidhis game runs better on PS5 Devkit than Xbox One Series X devkit.

That way of talk open the option to X have more TFs but have less performance in games than PS5 due several others components.

The options are:

A) PS5 Devkit has more TFs than X Devkit
B) X Devkit has more TFs than PS5 but PS5 Devkit runs games better

These are the two options I think is implicit in what Klee said.

To add he said that both are > 10TFs and the difference very little in TFs.

 

[Bryank75]

None are so blind than those who choose not to see.

 

[thismeinteil]

Some people just don't understand the WW brand that PS is. In just over a day a stinking PS5 logo has amassed almost 5M likes on instagram. XBSX hasn't even hit 1M, even though that was almost a month ago. Xbox is not winning this gen coming up, even if the PS4 ends up being 9.2 Tflops. Of course, personally I believe it will be at least 10 Tflops, going off of what insiders have been saying. Either way, PS is a WW brand, where Xbox is mainly popular in NA and a few countries in EU. One only has to look at the PS3 vs 360 fight to see that.

The 360 had pretty much every advantage handed to them by Sony. The PS3 was expensive. The entry price was a $200 gap at launch. That gap dropped to $120 when the PS3 cut its price to $399, only to go back up to $200 when the 360 dropped to $199. The PS3 was also hard to develop for. 3rd party multiplats looked quite a bit better on the 360 for 1-2 years before most hit parity, with a few looking slightly better on either one. The first 1st party system seller didn't even hit until a year later when Uncharted hit shelves. Xbox was also able to buy up exclusive games and DLC deals, both real and timed, throughout the gen. 360 had almost every advantage gifted to them, yet still lost that gen. That's the brand power of PS.

So, what's the best case scenario for Xbox next gen, after a massively successful PS4? Claiming 50%-55% of the marketshare of the 4K consoles in NA? That's not going to change anything when Sony will be claiming 65%-70% in the EU and ROW. And 90%-95% in Japan. Some might think a 9.2 Tflops console will hurt the PS5, but in reality it will just let Sony launch even cheaper. $399 vs $499, or even $599. And with every Xbox game headed to PC, that makes the XBSX even less attractive. Not even an extremely underpowered (read less desired) Lockhart would change that.

Oh, and hey, Ethomaz!

 

[The Mad Draklor]

None are so blind than those who choose not to see.

Useless pontification from someone who lacks evidence and effective counterarguments. Care to share how Sony's stock prices are doing under the alleged "negative" news that have caught "a lot" of "steam"?

 

[DForce]

So pretty much every outlet and digital foundry are saying xbox 12 and ps5 9.2 so what do all of you know that they don't?

Jason Schreier said MS and Sony are aiming for 10.7TF+. He also said there's whispers that both consoles are similar in specs. "

Several insiders have stated that are similar.

Many Xbox insiders are saying Xbox Series X is more powerful, but admittedly know little about the PlayStation 5.

DF sources state that it's 12TF console, but spoke to MS and received no confirmation. Based on my personal opinion, I think its because it's not exactly 12TF.

 

[johnjohn]

No. When people reported it was back on the plate, he said he was certain it was cancelled but if reports say otherwise, he'll take the L and eat crow.

You can see his replies in the threadmarks on reee "klee info v4"

So yes, he was firm on it being cancelled lol.

 

[Bryank75]

Jason Schreier said MS and Sony are aiming for 10.7TF+. He also said there's whispers that both consoles are similar in specs. "

Several insiders have stated that are similar.

Many Xbox insiders are saying Xbox Series X is more powerful, but admittedly know little about the PlayStation 5.

DF sources state that it's 12TF console, but spoke to MS and received no confirmation. Based on my personal opinion, I think its because it's not exactly 12TF.

Do you have a reference for Jason Schreier about the 10.7TF? I'd just like to read for myself...

 

[LordOfChaos]

What kind of IOPS are next gen SSDs capable of, you say

Adata Shows Off SSD with 1 Million IOPS, 7,000 MBps Reads

Due out later this year, the XPG Sage will use a brand new controller and operate over PCI Gen 4.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[DForce]

So yes, he was firm on it being cancelled lol.

I'm not saying Klee is 100% legit, but let's not forget that many people were reporting that Lockheart was possibly canceled.

Brad Sams

Microsoft Shifts Xbox Focus to Anaconda for its Next-Gen Console

Further, the evidence and insiders at the company acknowledged that there were two devices on the roadmap for Xbox; Lockhart and Anaconda. Even though the company has released one new console and has another planned, I firmly believe that at E3 2018, Phil was referring to two next-gen consoles on stage.

All this being said, Microsoft’s current plan for its next-generation Xbox is to focus on Scarlett and all mentions of Lockhart, which was previously documented in several places, has now been scrubbed clean. The big question is what prompted the change in the strategy?

Talking with various people inside and outside of Microsoft, here is my best conclusion as to why the device was removed from the roadmap

Microsoft Shifts Xbox Focus to Anaconda for its Next-Gen Console - Thurrott.com

Microsoft has shifted its next-generation console plans and will focus on one device, rather than two like previously stated.

www.thurrott.com

I'm sure Brad Sams is well connected to Microsoft's Xbox division more than most journalist

Also, Digital Foundry.

 

[XcloudTimdog]

so ,,,, shelter time possible? Mebbe? 9.2 real, 12 tflop realz, but shelter time not because of brute, but something that wow. Insider stuff. Love you all, little brother calling me. Reversal of fortunes 2013? Dianna says

 

[David Ricardo]

Just to be fair and clear I read the Klee comments and what I understand is that he never said one or another has the power advantage over the other.

What he said is that his friend that works with both devkits saidhis game runs better on PS5 Devkit than Xbox One Series X devkit.

That way of talk open the option to X have more TFs but have less performance in games than PS5 due several others components.

The options are:

A) PS5 Devkit has more TFs than X Devkit
B) X Devkit has more TFs than PS5 but PS5 Devkit runs games better

These are the two options I think is implicit in what Klee said.

To add he said that both are > 10TFs and the difference very little in TFs.

He said PS5 had more flops. That the difference wasn't double digits (<10%). When series X was revealed, he said it was 12 TF RDNA and that there were no changes to his predictions.

So, if you believe Klee: 12tf < PS5 < 13.2tf

If you don't, and don't believe Jason Schreier, Arthur Gies, Windows Central, etc, you can go on arguing wether or not XSX is equivalent 12 GCN TFs. I though we were past that point. Sometimes it feels like you are deliberately trying to confuse people, as if they needed any help with all the misinformation around the web.

 

[XcloudTimdog]

Do you want the bet or not?

Dm me Z. Yes i want the bet but i want high stakes. Cause im confident as heck.

 

[XcloudTimdog]

He said PS5 had more flops. That the difference wasn't double digits (<10%). When series X was revealed, he said it was 12 TF RDNA and that there were no changes to his predictions.

So, if you believe Klee: 12tf < PS5 < 13.2tf

If you don't, and don't believe Jason Schreier, Arthur Gies, Windows Central, etc, you can go on arguing wether or not XSX is equivalent 12 GCN TFs. I though we were past that point. Sometimes I think you are deliberately trying to confuse people, as if they needed any help with all the misinformation around the web.

I forgive Klee. I got the story why that was pushed @e3. Nice to know ppl.

 

[ethomaz]

He said PS5 had more flops. That the difference wasn't double digits (<10%). When series X was revealed, he said it was 12 TF RDNA and that there were no changes to his predictions.

So, if you believe Klee: 12tf < PS5 < 13.2tf

If you don't, and don't believe Jason Schreier, Arthur Gies, Windows Central, etc, you can go on arguing wether or not XSX is equivalent 12 GCN TFs. I though we were past that point. Sometimes I think you are deliberately trying to confuse people, as if they needed any help with all the misinformation around the web.

Confuse?

I just read what he wrote and I stand on what I explained.
He never said PS5 is ahead in TFs but he indeed said it is ahead in performance on games.

There is no 12 TFs claim in his bookmarks comments too.

I just posted that to make clear what Klee said and not misunderstanding like you are doing.

 

[DForce]

Do you have a reference for Jason Schreier about the 10.7TF? I'd just like to read for myself...

Here's his post from ResetEra.

jschreier

Mar 27, 2019
Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall.

And, despite all the rumors about devkits being out (usually from rumormongers who are wrong more often than not), the number of people briefed on next-gen is still very limited. Even within companies like, say, DICE, there'll be a small team of engineers who now have a rough idea of specs, and everyone else will know when they need to know. Not a lot of devs are disclosed on next-gen right now.

In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week. (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.)

Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019

(Figuring out how it works) Next Generation Console Preview Generation Nine in Three Quarters Black Boxes Wrapping it up ___ References I References II

www.resetera.com

 

[Dargor]

so ,,,, shelter time possible? Mebbe? 9.2 real, 12 tflop realz, but shelter time not because of brute, but something that wow. Insider stuff. Love you all, little brother calling me. Reversal of fortunes 2013? Dianna says

Are you on drugs?

 

[Captain Hero]

Imagine if they showed the console

Microsoft reaction :

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Are you on drugs?

What you're seeing is a person's sanity being solely dependent on a machine...

 

[ethomaz]

Klee about...

Right now, game performance is better on PS5. I believe that is probably because PS5 development hardware and software are in a more advanced state. I fully expect Scarlett to close that gap once they ship more mature dev kits and software.

Also

It must be said, since software, not hardware, is a traditional Microsoft area of expertise, it's very possible that they could ultimately deliver more advanced DirecX development software in the end allowing games to run better on Scarlett even if the hardware is less capable.

I don't know this to be the case, but the possibility can't be discounted.

It is clear about advantage in performance and not TFs as he expect MS to close the gap with better software.

 

[demigod]

Klee about...


It is clear about advantage in performance and not TFs as he expect MS to close the gap with better software.

If you read it, he says scarlett hardware is less capable. He did mention ps5 has the edge I believe it was percentage wise. He also has the specs for both machines which is over 12TF.

 

[David Ricardo]

Confuse?

I just read what he wrote and I stand on what I explained.
He never said PS5 is ahead in TFs but he indeed said it is ahead in performance on games.

There is no 12 TFs claim in his bookmarks comments too.

I just posted that to make clear what Klee said and not misunderstanding like you are doing.

PS5 ahead in teraflops:

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm OT

More flops

www.resetera.com

Series X 12 Teraflops:

Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm OT

*wise fwom your gwave* OMG where are all the Xbox insider evangelicals to clarify all this NO it’s not GCN flops YES it’s Navi flops Xbox Series X performance is actually slightly ABOVE 12(Navi) TFs Xbox (Anaconda) Series X eats monsters (Scorpio) for breakfast The GCN architecture is...

www.resetera.com

I don't believe you are trying to make things clear, quite the opposite.

 

[Mass Shift]

Klee about...


It is clear about advantage in performance and not TFs as he expect MS to close the gap with better software.

Well we've heard that before. And what we've learned is that there's no real substitute for physical hardware performance. Sure it allows for the cutting of some corners, but ultimately it's the hardware engineering choices made that pay off in the long run.

 

[Reindeer]

so ,,,, shelter time possible? Mebbe? 9.2 real, 12 tflop realz, but shelter time not because of brute, but something that wow. Insider stuff. Love you all, little brother calling me. Reversal of fortunes 2013? Dianna says

 

[44alltheway]

so ,,,, shelter time possible? Mebbe? 9.2 real, 12 tflop realz, but shelter time not because of brute, but something that wow. Insider stuff. Love you all, little brother calling me. Reversal of fortunes 2013? Dianna says

Are you CBOAT now?

 

[David Ricardo]

Well we've heard that before. And what we've learned is that there's no real substitute for physical hardware performance. Sure it allows for the cutting of some corners, but ultimately it's the hardware engineering choices made that pay off in the long run.

According to klee, XSX was behind in software, which can obviously be reverted. And very slightly behind in performance, which presumably can also be reverted by raising the clocks on the apu.

 

[Bryank75]

Klee about...


It is clear about advantage in performance and not TFs as he expect MS to close the gap with better software.

Software or the cloud or secret sauce or anything..... it's funny how MS / Xbox always have the best presumed about them at the moment.

They have released no solid figures but this 12 TFlops has been circulated by almost every publication and site.... they have undermined the PS5 by repeating a 9.2 Tflops figure that has very tenuous links to playstation or PS5.

In the first years of PS4 and Xbox 1 these same sites and publications gave every excuse for Xbox.... and during the PS3, they gave worse scores to multiplatform games that were on PS3 compared to Xbox 360.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

So pretty much every outlet and digital foundry are saying xbox 12 and ps5 9.2 so what do all of you know that they don't?

Next gen news is pretty sparse aside from MS revealing the box and name.
News outlets are desperate for clicks and this is the exact thing I would post to get traffic.
At the end of the day these kinds of 12TF vs 9.2TF articles (especially considering this is the game industry and the race for most powerful console in the world) will bring the clicks by the bucket load.
Digital Foundry did say the Github information they have is sketchy so there's that.

News outlets know about as much as we do and a shit ton of them get their info from insiders. I'm not surprised they stopped posting.

Klee could fart and news outlets would run with the story.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Are you CBOAT now?

6-10k(iloflops)

 

[luca_29_bg]

Kleegamefan just confirmed on the other site that oberon specs don’t match the specs he has for PS5.

in the past he said PS5 is slightly more powerful than Series X, and in december he said Series X is 12 TF RDNA.
So, if he isn’t just another fake insider, PS5 should be over 12 teraflops.

He is a known person who worked in the industry, he has contacts in the industry, and he put his face in that thread so people can even recognize him! So it's not a fake insider of course.

 

[Mass Shift]

Next gen news is pretty sparse aside from MS revealing the box and name.
News outlets are desperate for clicks and this is the exact thing I would post to get traffic.
At the end of the day these kinds of 12TF vs 9.2TF articles (especially considering this is the game industry and the race for most powerful console in the world) will bring the clicks by the bucket load.
Digital Foundry did say the Github information they have is sketchy so there's that.

News outlets know about as much as we do and a shit ton of them get their info from insiders. I'm not surprised they stopped posting.

Klee could fart and news outlets would run with the story.

That's not good is it? Speaks of the state of journalism (or lack therof) in the gaming industry.

 

[luca_29_bg]

Really? I could swear I saw him saying XSX was stronger by a small margin?

So I got it wrong, both saying PS5 > XSX?

yes he said multiple times ps5 > xsx and he said that even after all the rumors, leak, etc, he stand on his position, that nothing is changed. These are threadmarked in the thread.

 

[luca_29_bg]

Thanks Metal (I captured your correction post).

If anyone else has claims they remember (and from who), please share. Anyone know who said the +/- 10% claim?

Guy who leaked Oberon specs (from around spring 2019) = 9.2TF

Klee: More than 10TF, PS5 > XSX by 5% (none over 11TF). Lockhart model cancelled
Osiris: More than 10TF. PS5 > XSX
Un-named journalist: 13TF devkit

Matt from Reeee (I think Matt the moderator, not Matt the NPD guy)
Jason Scheier
Tim Dog

Nope, he confirmed xsx slightly over 12 tf

 

[luca_29_bg]

Klee was firm on Lockhart being cancelled? I'll add to my tracker.

That' an easy leak to checkmark as it's black and white.

Even Matt didn't know about lockhart, it wasn't known to a lot of insiders...

 

[Hawking Radiation]

That's not good is it? Speaks of the state of journalism (or lack therof) in the gaming industry.

Exactly.

Today Klee can say Series X is at 7TF. Tomorrow I open my browser and I have a shitload of sites pushing this info into my face with nice click baity headlines that read as fact.

 

[Ovech-King]

At this point we're running in circles with the teraflops discussions. What I would like confirmation on is that the new baseline would be native 4k (easy) but / AND 60 fps.

With platform specifics optimization to me , it's realistic ... But is there any insights from anyone acknowledgeable on this so far ?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

He is a known person who worked in the industry, he has contacts in the industry, and he put his face in that thread so people can even recognize him! So it's not a fake insider of course.

Yep.
Wont stop people calling him a fanboy or fraud.
He could spill the actual specs on the forums right now and people (depending on what side of the fence they're on) will immediately discredit him at the drop of a hat.

 

[johnjohn]

Even Matt didn't know about lockhart, it wasn't known to a lot of insiders...

Hmm, so MS is still surprising even some of the most reliable insiders... They're clearly holding their card incredibly close to their chest. These spec reveals are going to be really interesting.

 

[Self High Five]

Even Matt didn't know about lockhart, it wasn't known to a lot of insiders...

Hmm, so MS is still surprising even some of the most reliable insiders... They're clearly holding their card incredibly close to their chest. These spec reveals are going to be really interesting.

Lockhart was quite well known by insiders for the first half of last year....they just thought it went dormant. The most connected MS insiders (Tom Warren & Brad Sams) revealed it was back on the table later on.

 

[luca_29_bg]

Yep.
Wont stop people calling him a fanboy or fraud.
He could spill the actual specs on the forums right now and people (depending on what side of the fence they're on) will immediately discredit him at the drop of a hat.

Exactly!!!