Hence they were surprised. Can't wait for the full reveals.
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SenjutsuSage
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Phil was clear. The console will be 12TFs+. Were it to be anything less, that would be a clear case of deception by team xbox. You don't play a dishonest game where you say "If you do the math we're over 8x the power of the xbox one gpu, and 2x the xbox one x" and then bizarrely end up with a 9TF GPU. He didn't have to say a number. He told us a different way, the rest is left to our common sense.
Why did he do it this way? The majority of friggin gamers out there don't know what the hell a teraflop is. You go say that to most gamers that don't obssess about this stuff the same way the rest of us do, and they'll be like what the hell is that. The mass market outside of the more hardcore crowd that hang all over every rumor, every spec leak, have no idea what the hell the teraflop performance of the xbox one x GPU is. We are a different kind of crowd. So Phil communicated to the greater audience outside of this crowd the best way he possibly could. 2x the power of the xbox one x GPU, over 8x the power of the xbox one GPU.
There's no sense in playing PR games with GCN equivalent performance when you're running a a more advanced architecture. You don't communicate that way when Xbox One X was already 6TFLOPS. From a pure marketing standpoint, Xbox and Phil would want to no less than double that. That's what they set out to do and that's what they clearly accomplished.. After the Xbox One why anybody believes that Xbox wants to get themselves in another communication or messaging nightmare is beyond me. Xbox Series X's GPU not being 12 teraflops would be precisely that to the hardcore enthusiast that are most paying attention right now. A type of negativity that once the websites and forums get their hands on it has a strong possibility to filter down somewhat to the more general console gaming crowd.
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SenjutsuSage
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And what then if he's not just wrong, but significantly so on nearly everything? What then? Simple misunderstanding?
44alltheway
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For those that don't check REERA, Klee posted that the Github leaks don't match with his leaks, and that he still stands by saying the PS5 slightly edges out the Series X. Again, he thinks it close, and no matter what, both consoles are gonna be great!
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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TBF, a lot of PS3 multiplatform games were just not as good as the 360 versions whether it was graphics, framerate performance, missing features etc. Was only way later when parity started being established with some games.
You don't need a 402mm APU for 9TF Navi.
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People are having fun and I would not be surprised if uncle Phil dropped some more subtle hints like the die shot over the months. Its obvious the MS is having fun with this they really have nothing to lose as the big underdog. So they are just playing it fast and lose. Maybe a real shot of the back of the console or teaser of the motherboard. Keep it open news could come anytime from MS.
Bryank75
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Absolutely... but why was BF4 given the same score on Xbox 1 as the PS4 version, when PS4 version was far superior?
Same with a load of games during the first PS4 years.... the favor was not returned.
Hi guys, I'm newly registered and have been following this thread for a while. Among all the rumors and predictions, I'm still quite curious about the one mentioning 'dual CU' back in June.
I know lots of people took a good laugh about it, and believe it's a fanboy's wet dream, but dual CU does not equal to 'dual GPU'.
If you take a look at AMD's RDNA architecture whitepaper, it stated that 'dual compute unit design is the essence of the RDNA architecture', and the Block diagram of Radeon RX 5700 XT clearly shows that 5700 XT is 20 dual CU design which equals to 40 cu.
36 dual cu for ps5 sounds a bit overkill and power consuming, but could it because of the BC requirement it has to be mocking the ps4 pro cu counts? Just a thought. Sorry for my English if it causes any misunderstanding.
I know lots of people took a good laugh about it, and believe it's a fanboy's wet dream, but dual CU does not equal to 'dual GPU'.
If you take a look at AMD's RDNA architecture whitepaper, it stated that 'dual compute unit design is the essence of the RDNA architecture', and the Block diagram of Radeon RX 5700 XT clearly shows that 5700 XT is 20 dual CU design which equals to 40 cu.
36 dual cu for ps5 sounds a bit overkill and power consuming, but could it because of the BC requirement it has to be mocking the ps4 pro cu counts? Just a thought. Sorry for my English if it causes any misunderstanding.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Fair point. But I think it might have more to do with the fact that even tho the XBO versions were usually visually inferior, it was just in terms of framerates and (in extreme cases) some textures, but aside from that they had all the same content and modes and mostly the same framerate performance as PS4 versions.
It wasn't near the disparity early to mid-gen 360 and PS3 multiplats had. Granted, devs being lazy to optimize for PS3 was part of the reason.
DForce
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If he was clear, then he would've gave a number.
This is why Digital Foundry said there's some ambiguity and mentions raw TF and performance which resulted in 9TF RDNA. It's likely 12 or around that number, but Phil was not exactly clear as you're saying.
Basically this and a box designed to vent a ton of heat for high clocks. I can't imagine anything less than 11tf. If the die was in the 350mm range I could see the 9-10tf case but not at 400mm. Lots of room to stick more CUs with the RT,VRS and CPU in that extra !50mm.
CraZed
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Reindeer
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The GPU alone takes up 350mm. This is why I'm still not 100% sure how they're managing to put those RT cores on it without doing N7+.
Rightisright
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Power is measured in Tflops. Performance is different. If a car has 300hp, and the next model is due to be released and the car company says it has twice the power, do you think he means 600hp?
Phil absolutely said twice the POWER. He didnt say twice the performance.
Performance of a console is different, and would take into account any efficiencies.
In a car, performance is how quick it is for instance, how fast it does the quarter mile, top end speed etc. Two cars can both have 600hp, but will perform differently. One could be quicker than the other. Theres more to speed than power. You have torque, how heavy is the car, what is the gearing like etc etc.
Same with a console. It can only produce 12tflops, but depending on what else has been done, that 12tflops can do more than double what 6tflops could do.
People who try and say Phil didn't mean the XSX has double the tflops of the One X, are like the people who say Cerny didn't really mean that the PS5 will have hardware accelerated Ray Tracing.
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Rightisright
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Nah, think of it as someone who thinks the discussion has ran its course, and out of respect for the mods it not worth taking it any further.
Reindeer
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Unless they're going with 52 CUs, in which case there would be around 30mm left for RT.
Shmunter
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I find your car analogy relatable
CuriousToe
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Well I can only speak for myself here, but I'd think Klee was a fraud, or had fraudulent sources. I would not trust him or his rumours again.
There's no point in trying to call him wrong yet though.
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Bogroll
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It was hardly 60fps v 30fps like Madden PS360, and i might be wrong on this but i think Tomb Raider remastered got a higher score by some for the unlocked frame rate only in PS4 version.
If your on about the resolution differences you can back 30 years plus for games that have resolution differences that haven't been marked down for that.
Agnostic2020
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Klee doubles down again that ps5 is a bit stronger than xsx and 9.2 is not correct what so ever 
MaulerX
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Klee doubles down again that ps5 is a bit stronger than xsx and 9.2 is not correct what so ever
He said the Github leak didn't match his info.
So is it possible his info is wrong? Like when he was doubling down when he said Lockhart didn't exist? Weird that he says all this while simultaneously saying "my info is not ferified". Just weird all around.
Not only what he's saying goes against what all reputable publications are saying, but he's saying it with ZERO proof. Not sure what he's trying to gain but I think it's best to just wait for the official spec releases at this point.
Agnostic2020
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No today he said “nothing of what I said has changed “. He is excited and he wants to share with gamers that share same passion as him . He has gained nothing but the hate of small group of rabid Xbox fanboys(as not all Xbox fans are rabid and obsessed with power rather than games). The rest like him and share his enthusiasm.its simple to see unless we belong to that small rabid group
Agnostic2020
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That could be MS event for xsx and xss
Agnostic2020
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Xsx reveal at tga.he leaked it 2 days before tga and no one believed him lol
TLZ
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This
TLZ
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Can you please use punctuation so I can easily make out what you're saying I can't read properly when you type like that I'm still waiting for that wired article when is it coming out do you have an exact date so I can calm my alpha man tits please help ok thank you
Agnostic2020
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TLZ
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This cool if true.
TLZ
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I realized after I posted, lol.He was banned from this thread . He can’t answer you
I'm still on page 555
Agnostic2020
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Agnostic2020
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No the Oberon leak was legit but that was probably old information for one of ps5 revisions of dev kits and not representative of the final apu. Klee is saying he still stands by his comment of ps5>xsx . He says reveal is feb. let’s see .
policestationx
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Fake news Network
Hawking Radiation
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"Reputable publications"
Who are these reputable publications you speak of?
The same publications that run Klee's, Matt's Tom's and Andrew's posts on the forums for clicks?
Digital Foundry is the only source I can think of when it comes to a 'reputable source' and even they said the github leaks is sketchy. Apart from that they have not reported on anything else apart from Phil's die size tweet of the Series X. They dont even have any new PS5 info to run with apart from the stuff revealed in the Wired interview with Mark.
So again what reputable publications have run any stories on confirmed and verified data with these next gen consoles?
No one knows anything until Sony and MS come out with official specs. Period.
The insiders may know something but the secrecy surrounding both consoles is at such a level that I think they may have an idea but not the official numbers.
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Agnostic2020
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What does that even mean?if you mean I m lying you can go to December 11 on next gen thread 7 and you see all his hints at Xbox reveal at tga and then when someone asked him is Xbox gonna be revealed there he said yes.
Fushitsusha
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That's not normal.
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Hawking Radiation
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Mr Mod came in with his Levatian axe and trimmed some off the sidesHe was banned from this thread . He can’t answer you
policestationx
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We are already in 2020 and some poeple still believed in BS insiders like Klee 
Agnostic2020
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Ugh give me a break . We have another Neo member posting here.We are already in 2020 and some poeple still believed in BS insiders like Klee
Shin
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Keep in mind that these companies (any company really) will try and save even 0,10ct off a part, $50 (would be a hell lot).
As for the rest they've shown with Pro that it's an option but not primary their focus, we haven't heard anything from different outlets about multiple SKU's.
Might have a Pro situation on our hands again as hardcore players that care about specs account for practically nothing (even if they have a better idea/understanding now).
bellome
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"Legit surprised that so many people think this is a real reaction and not a dumb shitpost lol. " cit.
Fushitsusha
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Doubt.
TLZ
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Not with that childish troll. Nor with anyone who's like him. I'm nice, not naive.
Hellgardia
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So we have 0 news and the thread keeps running along at an amazing pace.
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