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Investor9872
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Listen instead of being lead down the garden path by fake leakers, some of you need to go back and read what was said from the horses mouth; Mart Cerneh (I like to pronounce his name like this in a Mancunian accent), and the genuine tidbits he's left speaking to various outlets:
1. This confirms there is a lower specced devkit, likely the source of the 9tflop rumours
2. It's in a massive tower, seems whats running inside needs similar cooling to what's inside XSX' black tower.
1. If Cerny says 8tflop is minimum for smooth 4K, this is as good as confirmation that PS5 is over 8tf. Not a huge revelation, but this also points to over 10TF as they wouldnt spec so close to what the architect claims is minimum (someone on Upsetera posted this musing, and they are right).
Wired said:
1. This confirms there is a lower specced devkit, likely the source of the 9tflop rumours
2. It's in a massive tower, seems whats running inside needs similar cooling to what's inside XSX' black tower.
1. If Cerny says 8tflop is minimum for smooth 4K, this is as good as confirmation that PS5 is over 8tf. Not a huge revelation, but this also points to over 10TF as they wouldnt spec so close to what the architect claims is minimum (someone on Upsetera posted this musing, and they are right).
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Hobbygaming
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Bluepoint hinted to it I believe so maybe some kind of deal was made Idk
Hobbygaming
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I think he did and where there's smoke there is
Aceofspades
Banned
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
All we keep reading is #Soon. Who knows.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'm think the PS5 spec reveal is going to be an all or nothing showing.
Keep quiet and show a kick ass 13 TF killer, or keep quiet and show a 8-9 TF weak saucer.
No 10-11 TF mid range.
Keep quiet and show a kick ass 13 TF killer, or keep quiet and show a 8-9 TF weak saucer.
No 10-11 TF mid range.
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
Im starting to think we’ll be reading “soon” and fake insiders for the next 50 years regarding PS5.
2038 rumor: PS5 meeting now rumored for april.
ANIMAL1975
Member
This.
How do people keep going back to PS5 has no raytracing. We've got fake insiders spreading all kinds of bs about both consoles and people buying their garbage but one of the few things confirmed by Cerny himself, idiots want to doubt.
Who knows maybe Cerny is a fake insider, I mean after all he hasn't been vetted has he?
Cof Cof
I really wonder if the impossible happens and it turns out to be true that the PS5 is 9TF with no dedicated RT hardware and the SX is 12-13TF with dedicated RT hardware.
the internet would explode and I would love to see it.
I always love to see fanboy meltdowns... it would be kinda boring if they're super close in every way
that's just sadistic old me hoping for some harmless fanboy chaos.
correct, dev kits are usually more powerful than retail, at least the final dev kits.
they often have all cores enabled and more ram.
So now we just need ps5 back to 8tf and we have full cir... Oh wait!
Not you Curry not like this.gif
Aceofspades
Banned
Sony is not the type to shout POWAAAAH , even when they have advantages. at least they didn't do it during PS4 era. I wouldn't expect them to reveal much even if they had the advantage.
Samanosuke Akechi
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Cof Cof
So now we just need ps5 back to 8tf and we have full cir... Oh wait!
Not you Curry not like this.gif
So an 8TF PS5 with RT for $399. PS5 pro few years later with 12TF and better RT for $499.
TLZ
Banned
Ok let's be serious for a second. Why would anyone lose their mind? Guys seriously, you have current consoles and games. Go play and enjoy those. We have plenty of time and games to enjoy until nextgen consoles release.
Are you all telling me all you do is have your eyes stuck on neogaf F5ing all day every day? What's the point? Why are you torturing yourselves when you can simply use that good plentiful time to do something else? At least enjoy your current games.
Please don't tell me you stopped playing your current consoles from now even though we're 10 months away from nextgen consoles release.
I'm mostly here for fun. I hardly take any of this seriously.
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StreetsofBeige
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Wouldn't trust any company figurehead. Cerny was also the one bragging how great Knack was. After the game got grilled he disappeared for probably 2 years.
Krazy Ken also said PS3 could do 1080p and 120fps, and Nvidia showed a slide PS2 had a gpu that could does 2TF.
And MS said something about Toy Story visuals.
And look how all that turned out.
Krazy Ken also said PS3 could do 1080p and 120fps, and Nvidia showed a slide PS2 had a gpu that could does 2TF.
And MS said something about Toy Story visuals.
And look how all that turned out.
Aceofspades
Banned
Dude 12TF is already midrange later this year, releasing a 12TF in few years is like releasing an underpowered Xbox 360 in 2017.....oh wait
01011001
Banned
you need to watch some PS3 era E3 stuff lol.
2 TERAFLOPS OF PEAK PERFORMANCE! I'm not kidding lol
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Yeah while nothing will ever quite beat the “laugh/fuck me this is awful” Xbox tv tv tv event, Sony are utter tools for over pimping their machines.
Both are bad, but Sony were always a little cocky with it too
edit: see above... I mean... wow...
Both are bad, but Sony were always a little cocky with it too
edit: see above... I mean... wow...
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Samanosuke Akechi
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Dude 12TF is already midrange later this year, releasing a 12TF in few years is like releasing an underpowered Xbox 360 in 2017.....oh wait
Yes but look what devs were to accomplish with base PS4 this gen at under 2TF. Just imagine what we’ll be seeing in double digit flops on PS5.
Disco_
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The silver tower was dev kit #1. Very likely running desktop parts(zen1, vega, etc). And again, he said you need 8tf to run ps4 games at 4k. That means you take an existing ps4 game, none of the supposed advantages and tech that ps5/xsx are bringing, give it 8tf, and voila.
Are you really suggesting xsx="massive tower"?
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Coulomb_Barrier
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XSX is bigger than any console in recent times is it not? I have not looked at size comparisons in depth.
So if you need 8tf to run 4K PS4 games, you need what, 10-13tf for next gen games perhaps.
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Aceofspades
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Not worried about Sony 1st party at all whether PS5 is 6TF or 60TF, I know it will be squeezed by those talented devs.
ANIMAL1975
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People seem to forget that interview from Cerny, after ps4 pro reveal, in which he said that for native 4k we would need at least 8tf GPU... FOR THIS GENERATION! That pretty much kills the 8tf dream for next gen PS5,... hey maybe it will run at 8tf in back compat, that will probably be enough for native 4k!Dude 12TF is already midrange later this year, releasing a 12TF in few years is like releasing an underpowered Xbox 360 in 2017.....oh wait
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
You know ...
I think Sony won't do shit in FEB because PS4 still on fire with the upcoming games like TLOU2 and GOT they won't just talk about a new console which run PS4 games .. ! That will do harm to the ND and Playstation its self ... people will wait for PS5 to play TLOU 2 with even better performance.. so why announce a next gen console with all the features and I still have new epic games coming the to the PS4 ? ...
IMO Sony " Maybe " talk about the new controller or do a state of play showing some Devs talking about the power of PS5 and maybe show the new controller with a date for the console reveal in the future
I think Sony won't do shit in FEB because PS4 still on fire with the upcoming games like TLOU2 and GOT they won't just talk about a new console which run PS4 games .. ! That will do harm to the ND and Playstation its self ... people will wait for PS5 to play TLOU 2 with even better performance.. so why announce a next gen console with all the features and I still have new epic games coming the to the PS4 ? ...
IMO Sony " Maybe " talk about the new controller or do a state of play showing some Devs talking about the power of PS5 and maybe show the new controller with a date for the console reveal in the future
Ellery
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has to be as in "actually has to be" for certain reasons or "has to be or I am losing my mind" ?
I would be surprised if Sony is dead silent before GDC, but there is no reason (I know of) why they really really need to.
vpance
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Whether or not the reason is GDC it feels like Feb or Mar is optimal. I mean, tax returns is in April, gotta remind people hey don't blow it all away yet.
saintjules
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That's what some are assuming. If not, then we'd probably get more rumors/talks from developers during GDC. I'm predicting reveal before then.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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That is possible, but now it poses more questions about Arden (the XSX chip)? If Oberon cold have had additional CUs disabled...why not Arden?
To me it's always best to weigh this kind of stuff out on both sides; relative to PS5 it feels like we know so much about XSX's specs but in reality we still don't know a ton in regards to its stuff, either. That also goes to other areas, like the SSD; we can assume things and draw some conclusions based on vague words mentioned or articles mentioning news of things related to it, but none of such as actually been substantiated just yet.
Could be XSX-related; every time I look at that reveal video I count 3 memory ICs on two adjacent sides, so assuming equality that would be 12 modules. 12 2GB modules? 24GB.
I guess they could go for 320-bit bus, but it just seems like an odd number with the setup teased in that video. Plus, XSX's APU is notably larger than the X's and that had a 384-bit bus.
Damn, I mean...I guess they could do that. But it'd be like such a wet fart after all this hype building up. I'm hoping they show a lot more than that. They don't need to talk specs per se, but I need something a bit more than that, considering they're not going to E3.
And also, I don't feel them revealing sufficient games or features is gonna impact PS4 sales; the casuals buying PS4s now are not the same people who would buy a PS5 Day 1. There's little crossover there, plus those same PS4 buyers aren't here on forums talking about these new systems; they know like 1% of what we know and most of us only know like 1% of what Sony and MS know.
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Hobbygaming
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We'll likely get full specs during or after GDC so probably so
Ellery
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I have never been in the position to release a video game console (or any other major business decisions for that matter) so I couldn't say if I would link an announcement of something in feb/march with tax returns in April.
My guess is that the main reason people expect Sony to unveil the Playstation 5 in February is because they did it that way when the PS4 released. It was a similar situation of Holidays release in that year so the time span between a possible PS5 reveal and actual release date could be nearly identical to how it went down with the PS4 reveal + release.
Also there has been a lot of talk, chatter, rumors and so far many people, that one would expect to know, are staying quiet regarding that. Sony included. Neither confirmation nor denying it.
At some point they have to show it and they have to do so before late into 2020. What their reasons are going to be for doing it when they think it is right I can't possible know. I can come up with some reasons why I would think February would be a good month, but Sony thinks on a different scale than I do
Samanosuke Akechi
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By the time PS5 has its reveal.......
Lunatic_Gamer
Member
Here’s today’s “leak”. Not a good one mind you... 
Andodalf
Banned
The ole dreamcast style launch
Shambala
Member
just stop with these dumb type of posts. Shit should b bannable. These dumb as posts adds nothing significant to the conversationsHere’s today’s “leak”. Not a good one mind you...
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FranXico
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Here’s today’s “leak”. Not a good one mind you...
The first Twitter link is also mentioning PS4 BC working the same way as Xbox One 360 BC, which is incongruent with the HW based BC.
The TF is likely correct, but those bits on BC, I'm gonna call BS.
Also, sources are biased.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Here’s today’s “leak”. Not a good one mind you...
Everything is BS until officially announced. So many leaks out there, you’d never know which the real ones are and all the usual biased sources share what lines up with what they would love sharing both on positive and negative aspects depending on a person’s viewpoint.
01011001
Banned
we really don't know how low they can get the prices of these systems.
8TF doesn't sound so far fetched when you look at how much a comparable PC is.
a RTX2070 alone is more than $400 and that's a 7.5TF card with raytracing.
so we might actually see primarily a fight between the 8TF PS5 and the 6TF to 7TF Lockhart.
maybe the PS5 will target $400 and the Lockhart around $350
and the crazy high spec Series X might be a $600+ machine that is basically the premium system for a niche audience.
we all looked at Lockhart as the side project... what if it is their main sales driver?
what if we looked at this from a complete wrong perspective?
8TF doesn't sound so far fetched when you look at how much a comparable PC is.
a RTX2070 alone is more than $400 and that's a 7.5TF card with raytracing.
so we might actually see primarily a fight between the 8TF PS5 and the 6TF to 7TF Lockhart.
maybe the PS5 will target $400 and the Lockhart around $350
and the crazy high spec Series X might be a $600+ machine that is basically the premium system for a niche audience.
we all looked at Lockhart as the side project... what if it is their main sales driver?
what if we looked at this from a complete wrong perspective?
demigod
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Here’s today’s “leak”. Not a good one mind you...
I like how they lowballed ps5 but raised lockhart by 2.6TF, stupid fanboys.
Edit: looks like we know who the author of that post is, right on top of this post.
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01011001
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stop projecting your fanboyism my man.
fanboys like you are the reason people can't have a decent conversation
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StreetsofBeige
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The 8-9TF prediction can be totally true if Sony sticks to a $400 price.
Now if PS5 is going to be $500 (which people assume SeX will be), it doesn't make sense if PS5 is ~9TF and MS's system is 12TF.
It all really comes down to price.
So what you'r going to get is something like this:
PS5 9TF $400
SeX 12TF $500
or
PS5 9TF $500
SeX 12TF $600
You are not going to get:
PS5 9TF $500
SeX 12TF $500
Now if PS5 is going to be $500 (which people assume SeX will be), it doesn't make sense if PS5 is ~9TF and MS's system is 12TF.
It all really comes down to price.
So what you'r going to get is something like this:
PS5 9TF $400
SeX 12TF $500
or
PS5 9TF $500
SeX 12TF $600
You are not going to get:
PS5 9TF $500
SeX 12TF $500
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Kampfradler
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01011001
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SeS 6TF $350
PS5 8TF $400
SeX 12TF $600
could be a possibility.
I think people expect too much out of a box that is meant to be in the acceptable price range for a mainstream console.
and we're only talking graphics performance here, where comparable GPUs on PC are already tbis much by themselves.
then these syetems also have state of the art SSDs, possibly 16+GB of GDDR6 and a Zen 2 CPU.
just going by PC prices we are already coming close to 800 to 1000 bucks depending on the specific parts you go with.
and of course Console are usually cheaper than comparable PCs, but not by $600.
and yes they are still almost a year out, so prices will come down a bit, but how far? we don't know this.
people are expecting too much out of next gen systems in general.
maybe the SeX will also only be around 9TF and the Lockhart is truly cancelled or even the first rumoured 4TF and the supee cheap system MS tries to undercut Sony with.
but a 12TF or even 13TF PS5 at a price Sony is comfortable with based on their past, I just can't see that whatsoever.
and I also think that the SeX at 12TF and at $600 wouldn't sell well and absolutely be a niche system.
and by the time its price goes down to 400 Sony might be comfortable to release a PS5pro at that price.
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