Kazekage1981
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why are the compute units limited to 52-56 range? Why not 64-128 range?
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megreotsugua
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He was talking about PS5's advantage and pointed out RT and "extra storage" (reram?). I like him already.
I think he's a better insider than Tommy.
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44alltheway
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A lot of our questions will be answered this February for the Sony conference (Kleegamefan said it would be then and I think he is trustworthy). Whether the so-called insiders are right or not, we don't have to wait long for confirmed specs!
nowhat
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Yes! This! I have one client who without exception ends his emails with a wink and it's fucking infuriating. Like, did you mean what you just said? Did you approve my work, can I move it into production? Are the specs you just sent me legit or are you just messing with me? Urgh.Tommy ended every post with
I don't trust anything that's followed by a wink.
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Dilusha117
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It's sad there are no real insiders here.
Btw, VRS is AMD's technology. It belongs to them. Not to anybody else. Since both Microsoft and Sony are using AMD's architecture, VRS should be a feature in both XSX and PS5.
Btw, VRS is AMD's technology. It belongs to them. Not to anybody else. Since both Microsoft and Sony are using AMD's architecture, VRS should be a feature in both XSX and PS5.
TLZ
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megreotsugua
Banned
What if Sony ninjas are already after Tommy and they feel like he's giving too much than he should.
Lort
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It's sad there are no real insiders here.
Btw, VRS is AMD's technology. It belongs to them. Not to anybody else. Since both Microsoft and Sony are using AMD's architecture, VRS should be a feature in both XSX and PS5.
“Additionally, our patented Variable Rate Shading (VRS) technology will allow developers to get even more out of the Xbox Series X GPU”
VRS is only thing MS specifically calls out that it has its own patent on on the xbox page.
Imtjnotu
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I would assume they could have been doing this already with vrs being part of dx12 this year
Agnostic2020
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No vrs for Navi is AMD Patent and both ps5 and xsx will have it .But VRS implementation with DX12 is MS patented
Mass Shift
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Don't forget those move engines.
This is why it should always hurt a little bit at the start of a new gen. If something comes in cheaply, but at the cost of something else critical to performance then it usually becomes a disadvantage later.
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megreotsugua
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What if this new DS4 backbutton is standard in every DS5. Sony can make DS4 compatible with PS5 as long as they buy a $29.99 add-on. Very clever I should say. If PS5 will be sold at a loss, then the millions of DS4 migrating to PS5 can help off-set that, let alone the sale of the improved DS5 itself.
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Agnostic2020
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But in the dual shock 5 patent there are no paddle buttons on the back side . So I wouldn’t be so sure DS 5 has back button to begin with
Lort
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I didnt say xbox would be the only console to have it ... i was quoting the page which clearly says their implementation is patented.
Agnostic2020
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That is 100% true . Their implementation ties vrs to dx12 and that is patented by MS
Lort
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That is 100% true . Their implementation ties vrs to dx12 and that is patented by MS
If it was just the same implementation they wouldn't call it out and it wouldn't be patentable.
Under U.S. patent law, an invention is patentable only if it meets the following four requirements, which are discussed in more detail below:
- The invention must be statutory (subject matter eligible)
- The invention must be new.
- The invention must be useful.
- The invention must be non-obvious.
Well, seems like TF hasn't been verified after all, has he?
He didn't leak anything that wasn't rumored/leaked before, so without the mods verification his credibility goes back to zero.
It's a shame but it is what it is. I was also hoping he would be legit, but that doesn't seem to be the case
He didn't leak anything that wasn't rumored/leaked before, so without the mods verification his credibility goes back to zero.
It's a shame but it is what it is. I was also hoping he would be legit, but that doesn't seem to be the case
Von Hugh
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I guess Timdoggydog is the only one to be verified of the
OsirisBlack
CameFromNearFuture
Tommy Fisher
XcloudTimdog
bunch?
Can't say I'm surprised, though.
OsirisBlack
CameFromNearFuture
Tommy Fisher
XcloudTimdog
bunch?Can't say I'm surprised, though.
jonnyp
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To force airflow to pass certain areas.
TLZ
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None is verified yet.I guess Timdoggydog is the only one to be verified of the
Can't say I'm surprised, though.
Sorry took so long this were I read AMD was going to be tier 1 VRS.
Xbox Series X vs PS5 Round 1 - Patented VRS and Enhanced Haptics
We take a look at the first (and only, so far) distinguishing features of the Xbox Series X and PS5 - patented VRS and enhanced haptics.
wccftech.com
"Current AMD graphics cards do not support variable rate shading at all, though this is expected to change next year. AMD did file a patent of its own, after all, though it does seem to be limited to Tier 1 VRS features."
Aceofspades
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I guess Timdoggydog is the only one to be verified of the
Can't say I'm surprised, though.
Tim Dog? THE Tim Dog? Lol
On topic: I have some controversial opinion on Sony SSD I will share here. I don't think there are any custom modifications made by Sony, PS5 will end up with standard 5Gb/s SSD similar to what on Xbox. The patent wont end up on PS5, I think those speeds were ridiculous and ultra impressive.
Edit: if Sony managed +15Gb/s vs 5Gb/s on Xbox . That would be HUUUUGE advantage.
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Agnostic2020
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Incorporating vrs into dx12 has never been done before and needed to be patented
Lort
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lol you have no idea what your talking about... https://wccftech.com/xbox-series-x-vs-ps5-round-1-patented-vrs-and-enhanced-haptics/
Xbox will support Tier 1 and 2 .. Playstation only Tier 1
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it_wasn't_me
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It's sad there are no real insiders here.
Btw, VRS is AMD's technology. It belongs to them. Not to anybody else. Since both Microsoft and Sony are using AMD's architecture, VRS should be a feature in both XSX and PS5.
VRS was first introduced by Nvidia. AMD has their own thing
it_wasn't_me
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Tier 2 is support for Nvidia Turing cards, though. Btw. Sony can develop or improve VRS on their own just like MS did
Aceofspades
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Here we go...
We are getting the new generation "Cloud" "Secret dGpu" excuses ready
DAT PaTeNtEd VRS!
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Killroyskbg
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Lol that article is not saying that at all just that both probably will support it and there is a CHANCE Xbox have worked with AMD on it more but the same could be GUESSED for Sony It’s only speculation.
Lort
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For those who want to know what they are talking about instead of talking bs they know nothing about .. here is the patent .. AWARDED TO MICROSOFT
Go Read the patent at https://patents.google.com/patent/US10235799B2/en
So sure sony can use it.. if they pay MS which seems doubtful since MS just called it out as an exclusive feature on their site.. as i pointed out the ONLY thing they call out so far from a technical standpoint as exclusive.
Go Read the patent at https://patents.google.com/patent/US10235799B2/en
So sure sony can use it.. if they pay MS which seems doubtful since MS just called it out as an exclusive feature on their site.. as i pointed out the ONLY thing they call out so far from a technical standpoint as exclusive.
PocoJoe
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Dont be so GULLIBLE!
Anyone can claim some vague shit like "upcoming scifi game from one of two biggest publishers" and copypaste random patent from thousands from to choose
That proves nothing more than having an imagination.
I could claim "oh there is racing game coming for ps5 from x or y" and here is sonys random patent, btw ps5 will have thia and that
Lucky guess is easy with so long history of how systems are revealed
Anyone can claim some vague shit like "upcoming scifi game from one of two biggest publishers" and copypaste random patent from thousands from to choose
That proves nothing more than having an imagination.
I could claim "oh there is racing game coming for ps5
from x or y" and here is sonys random patent, btw ps5 will have thia and thatLucky guess is easy with so long history of how systems are revealed
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Red_Driver85
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Why did you decide that they would not have their own solution? Does it support hardware? Yes, it cannot be otherwise, since consoles often use technologies several years ahead, which may not even be on a PC. And to make implementation in api will not be a problem.
Killroyskbg
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VRS is not something completely new and Microsoft having a patent on one implementation of it for direct x (which Sony have never used regardless) will not keep them for using VRS or implement their own technologies into it.
This is like when people started saying direct X 12 would make Xbox significantly stronger and another league compared to PS when it released because it brought with it a lot of features that Sony would not have only for it to in the end mean nothing at all when it came to performance or features.
Just like Xbox uses their software and sdk Sony will have their own.
it_wasn't_me
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Yeah, and MS pay to Nvidia because it was Nvidia's thing first and foremost. /s
I'm pretty sure it's bothers you that Sony doesn't need to pay MS for using VRS. It can use AMD's patent and/or develop and improve it on their own
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it_wasn't_me
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So apparently Klee confirmed the TF number for Xbox not the 64CU part. green hype deflated
Link for this one?
Please
Dee Dah Dave
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64CU seems a bit much anyway. Perhaps the dev kit is the full 64 with some disabled for the retail model.
But who knows. They might be able to do it with the backup that they can use the ‘failed’ APU’s in the xcloud server blades.
But who knows. They might be able to do it with the backup that they can use the ‘failed’ APU’s in the xcloud server blades.
Lort
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From what i can see in the patent it refers to deferred rendering lighting techniques.. and that aligns to th GDC talk by ms https://schedule2019.gdconf.com/speaker/fuller-martin.54485
Variable Rate Shading is a new DirectX12 API giving developers fine-grained control over shading frequency, enabling significant frame time savings on modern GPUs. This talk presents a deep dive on VRS and the algorithms used to drive shading rate. Included are integration details, tips and optimizations. Learn how to take VRS to the next level, by exploiting the VRS signal with a new deferred lighting technique, Sparse Lighting.
Variable Rate Shading is a new DirectX12 API giving developers fine-grained control over shading frequency, enabling significant frame time savings on modern GPUs. This talk presents a deep dive on VRS and the algorithms used to drive shading rate. Included are integration details, tips and optimizations. Learn how to take VRS to the next level, by exploiting the VRS signal with a new deferred lighting technique, Sparse Lighting.
Negotiator
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This will be a monumental failure on AMD's part, if true. Ampere at 7nm EUV is going to demolish RDNA2 is every single benchmark out there.Sorry took so long this were I read AMD was going to be tier 1 VRS.
Xbox Series X vs PS5 Round 1 - Patented VRS and Enhanced Haptics
We take a look at the first (and only, so far) distinguishing features of the Xbox Series X and PS5 - patented VRS and enhanced haptics.
"Current AMD graphics cards do not support variable rate shading at all, though this is expected to change next year. AMD did file a patent of its own, after all, though it does seem to be limited to Tier 1 VRS features."
TBiddy
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Link for this one?
He didn't. He applauded someones math skills. People really need to stop drawing conclusions from vaguely worded posts (not a jab at you, btw).
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
New and improved N7P, N7+ or N6 process New and innovative cooling solution A lot bigger footprint than last gen consoles You need all that combined to happen and even in that case it's a HUGE stretch. So far no regular desktop GPU is running close to 2GHz base clock. To get 2GHz without...
www.resetera.com
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it_wasn't_me
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He didn't. He applauded someones math skills:
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
New and improved N7P, N7+ or N6 process New and innovative cooling solution A lot bigger footprint than last gen consoles You need all that combined to happen and even in that case it's a HUGE stretch. So far no regular desktop GPU is running close to 2GHz base clock. To get 2GHz without...
Figured it out. Found the post later, although he edited. He just approved what Tommy F said about XSX CU's
Tommy Fisher
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Lort
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so hbm yes
Negotiator
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Gotta keep some balance in regards to die size/yields.
Lisa Su will tell us in a few weeks if RDNA2 supports Tier 2 or not.
And what if Sony has exclusive patents in regards to HW RT? We know Sony funded Navi's R&D to a huge extent...
Maybe they're willing to exchange patents with each other. After all, they have signed a Memorandum of Understanding.
TeamGhobad
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HBM would make sense in a chiplet design? or are we talking full pool of binned hbm?
Agnostic2020
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This seems like a dejavu with the power of cloud and x1 .
Again tier 2 is implementation of the vrs in the dx12 api for pc and Xbox .
beside having a small feature like this exclusive means not many 3 rd party will use it. Just like CBR and pro which ended up being used by few 3rd parties . If you want a feature to be used by most 3rd party developers you better hope they both have it or you will get only a handful of title implementing it.
Agnostic2020
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HBM is so expensive so I stay cautious but it destroys gddr6 . Less heat , faster , less power required .meaning more power left to up clock the gpu
Agnostic2020
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Hey Tommy . Did you by any chance pm the mod ? Can’t wait till I see your verified tag
TeamGhobad
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also low latency...which makes me wish xbox had another pool of ddr3 to combat that. cause gddr6 has very high latency.
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