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[BlacknGold_Blood]

I couldn’t say about size though that’s entirely possible as things still progress.

As for crashing and what not, again, I’ve mentioned previously that the older kits were around the high 10 mark but had thermal issues, not exactly crashing but running so hot that it wasn’t a viable long term solution. Then these were fixed somewhat but the clocks pushed higher and again, they started running into thermal concerns. Better than before, but still not where you would want to be. That’s why I mentioned that at 11.6, there is more chance of a downclock than an up clock, as these things are already pushed, and then pushed again.

REALISTICALLY, there is a chance they will go to 11.5, hell maybe lower, as even that tiny little bump down will mean the temps will drop a fair bit. But I’m also confident that with a little tweaking they can stay at 11.6 comfortably.

Thats why when other people post these large ranges, I’ve been stuck at 11.6 for a while now. The only time I had a “range” was when I was first getting info. Before that I was on the guess train like everybody else.

What I will say is that these things are quite large though, to the point that they make the series x size look pretty tame even. It sounds like Sony are trying to go large but flatter, by SX is going tall but smaller, if that makes sense. Both systems will require a good bit of real estate in your display cabinet mind you But that’s personal opinion there, not fact.

Agnostic2020 not once have I heard anything over 12, and I speak to multiple people. Doesnt mean it’s not possible, but everything added together certainly doesn’t paint that picture, when you think about it.

I appreciate you for all the info you have shared here. I’m curious, if you don’t mind me asking, on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that the PS5 will be at least 11 teraflops?

 

[Falc67]

true and the closer they are the better 3rd party support both will get.

It makes them closer than the Xbox One/S this is perfect for everyone.

 

[Agnostic2020]

It makes them closer than the Xbox One/S this is perfect for everyone.

exactly and using similar hardware ray-tracing, 3rd parties will actually utilize the RT on both

 

[Falc67]

I appreciate you for all the info you have shared here. I’m curious, if you don’t mind me asking, on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that the PS5 will be at least 11 teraflops?

He has consistently said 11.6TF maybe a downclock to 11.5TF...

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

9.2TF Confirmed?? Or maybe old PS5 devkit

Where did those specs come from ? A pastebin?

 

[Falc67]

exactly and using similar hardware ray-tracing, 3rd parties will actually utilize the RT on both

I’m interested in seeing the IPC gains for RDNA 2. If these consoles are really besting a 2080 Super

 

[Gavin Stevens]

so sony is apparently patented an add on screen to remove your touch screen and snap in an screen if you want to.

to navigate menus and swapping games without coming out of the game and many other streaming features

sounds cool imo

Interesting idea, because it means you don’t have to worry about the cost of shipping a screen with the console, but it’s an extra people can buy it wanted.

The downside is games won’t be built to take advantage of it, and it will be left to the side and not bothered with most of the time by a majority of people, as it will be seen as a none essential extra. Remember that the touch pad is built into every controller and hardly anybody uses it. Something like this would take much more development time.

So best case scenario would be used in first party games, but most of the time be a simple screen that shows trophy tracking and social media stuff (while destroying battery life).

I appreciate you for all the info you have shared here. I’m curious, if you don’t mind me asking, on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that the PS5 will be at least 11 teraflops?

99.9%, 9.9/10. I won’t commit to 100% because stranger things have happened, like that horse becoming pope.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Interesting idea, because it means you don’t have to worry about the cost of shipping a screen with the console, but it’s an extra people can buy it wanted.

The downside is games won’t be built to take advantage of it, and it will be left to the side and not bothered with most of the time by a majority of people, as it will be seen as a none essential extra. Remember that the touch pad is built into every console and barely nobody uses it. Something like this would take much more development time.

So best case scenario would be used in first party games, but most of the time be a simple screen that shows trophy tracking and social media stuff (while destroying battery life).



99.9%, 9.9/10. I won’t commit to 100% because stranger things have happened, like that horse becoming pope.

i m assuming the screen is for OS features (party chat ,checking settings, ...)and for streamers to use the second screen to do stuff quickly without bringing menus on the tv/ stream screen .

not really for games unless it ships with the screen

 

[SNPlayen]

I think 11.6TF allows for marketing to say 12TF (with when rounded as a tiny, tiny footnote) too - which I wouldn't put past either of them.

Did Ps4 even mention t flops in any marketing?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Did Ps4 even mention t flops in any marketing?

only cerny said in the meeting almost 2 TF of power but other than that no.

 

[Zero707]

Xbox Series X Features Most Complex SoC For Gaming Consoles Ever; Multiple CPU Clusters With ARM and x86 Cores - Rumor

The Xbox Series X features the most complex SOC for gaming consoles ever, according to the LinkedIn profile of an AMD engineer

wccftech.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashish-shukla-b9984411/

 

[01011001]

only cerny said in the meeting almost 2 TF of power but other than that no.

which is less than the promised full 2TFLOPs of power of the PS3

 

[Agnostic2020]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashish-shukla-b9984411/

did you even bother to look at their source? its nogroho blue which means fanboy nonsense

 

[Physiognomonics]

Cerny : "PS5 is almost 12TFLOPS* of power!"

*11.6tflops

 

[Zero707]

did you even bother to look at their source? its nogroho blue which means fanboy nonsense

Using ARM CPU is nothing new PS4 had Separate ARM CHIP for downloads tasks and XB1 had it for security
what interneting the AMD guy said ARM CPU Cores will be in the APU

 

[Moridianae]

With finalized kits not due til around June, we can't really definitively say what number they'll finally settle on, if the range is around 11.6-13TF.

However, again, they'll go for the round number for PR purposes and hype. If it is 11.6, they'll say "12TF". If they slightly up clocks and get to 12.5-12.8, they'll say "13" and no one outside of huge tech heads like DF will be able to discern that difference.

I'm banking on them saying 12 or 13 and all the Github people stomping their feet and raging until their heads explode like Scanners.

 

[Trumpstyle]

Where did those specs come from ? A pastebin?

It's comes from ~3 month old youtube video from redgamingtech, he claimed in that video that this is the PS5 devkit according to his sources.

But I think this might be a old devkit, this could be the PS5 2019 chip sony was planning to release if the rumors are true. 36CU's, 18xx clock (8.3+TF) and 448GB/s memory bandwidth but they delayed the PS5 for 2020 and made a new chip. So this devkit could be using an old chip with 40/40CU's, 2ghz+ clock, 576GB/s memory bandwidth and also being used for BC tests.

The new PS5 2020 chip maybe 52CU's, ~1700mhz, 512GB/s memory bandwidth 11TF (Odium spec).

 

[M1chl]

9.2TF Confirmed?? Or maybe old PS5 devkit

I find this realistic, because it mentions noise, which is signature for Sony, at least this gen.

 

[Darius87]

With finalized kits not due til around June, we can't really definitively say what number they'll finally settle on, if the range is around 11.6-13TF.

However, again, they'll go for the round number for PR purposes and hype. If it is 11.6, they'll say "12TF". If they slightly up clocks and get to 12.5-12.8, they'll say "13" and no one outside of huge tech heads like DF will be able to discern that difference.

I'm banking on them saying 12 or 13 and all the Github people stomping their feet and raging until their heads explode like Scanners.

so why then sony didn't rounded ps4 1.84 to 2Tflops?

 

[01011001]

I find this realistic, because it mentions noise, which is signature for Sony, at least this gen.

lol

 

[PocoJoe]

9.2TF Confirmed?? Or maybe old PS5 devkit

Weak bullshit, too much misspelling

No spaces between numbers and units,

"2.060MHz", should be either 2060 MHz or 2.060 GHz

These paste/gifhub places are just 100% unreliable as anybody can make these up.

If someone would have the data I dont think that they would make childish mistakes with units and spelling

 

[01011001]

so why then sony didn't rounded ps4 1.84 to 2Tflops?

after all, they had no issue rounding the combined 430 GFLOPs of the PS3's cpu and gpu up to 2 TFLOPs!

but for real, they would have been called out for it.
the times are over that companies can just throw out random numbers without being analysed afterwards.

and percentage wise, adding 0.2 TF to 1.8 is a bigger lie than adding 0.4 or 0.5 to a number above 10

 

[thelastword]

Everybody is trying to be conservative......Yet console hardware will change from next gen on...….SFF builds will no longer be constrained by cooling solutions......Look at your NUCs and smaller cases, they are all adequately cooled and heat dissipation solutions are improving as we speak......Consoles will not be on Intel spaceheater CPU's at 6Ghz nor will they be on 28nm.....Ryzen processors can pretty much match Intel processors at much lower clocks, so there's really no need to push those CPU's past 4Ghz, especially of the CPU's have some hooks or the Infinity fabric improvements of the upcoming Ryzen 3....

 

[Gavin Stevens]

With finalized kits not due til around June, we can't really definitively say what number they'll finally settle on, if the range is around 11.6-13TF.

However, again, they'll go for the round number for PR purposes and hype. If it is 11.6, they'll say "12TF". If they slightly up clocks and get to 12.5-12.8, they'll say "13" and no one outside of huge tech heads like DF will be able to discern that difference.

I'm banking on them saying 12 or 13 and all the Github people stomping their feet and raging until their heads explode like Scanners.

In theory, at this late in the game, you won’t be making any serious changes to anything. Small clock adjustments maybe but anything more and you’re looking at a complete hardware revision. Let’s put it this way; you won’t be looking at a tf jump, more like a few hundred MHz. 200tops. The problem is, such a small jump will provide precisely DICK in terms of performance gains, and would be JUST to round a number off... So you’re risking extra heat, for minimal gains, just to round a number up to something that will matter to exactly 7 people in the entire world who need it to be a solid round figure.

so why then sony didn't rounded ps4 1.84 to 2Tflops?

Back then, that large a jump was a much bigger deal to those console bases. It may seem small now, but things were different then. But essentially if you upclock form 1.8 to 2.0, is the same sort of jump next gen for 11.6 to 12. Possible, but not really worth it when all things considered.

 

[Darius87]

after all, they had no issue rounding the combined 430 GFLOPs of the PS3's cpu and gpu up to 2 TFLOPs!

yea bizarre times it was, but i think sony will state exact number for ps5, no shenanigans.

 

[Farrell55]

after all, they had no issue rounding the combined 430 GFLOPs of the PS3's cpu and gpu up to 2 TFLOPs!

but for real, they would have been called out for it.
the times are over that companies can just throw out random numbers without being analysed afterwards.

and percentage wise, adding 0.2 TF to 1.8 is a bigger lie than adding 0.4 or 0.5 to a number above 10

Yep they do that BS after MS Round up the 300 gflop xbox 360 to over 1 TeraFlop

 

[Apollo Helios]

It is really impressive that no huge leak had occurred on the Sony side, at least none that has grown like an avalanche, well except if you don't count GitHub.... unless..... hmmmm

So an intern 'mistake' drives the whole whisper narrative for Sony's next gen plans for months and months and no one thinks that 'mistake' wasn't breadcrumbs left on purpose.

 

[lepermessiah]

lol I can come up with any bullshit number so long as I mention how loud the dev kit is

12.2 TFs oh yeah it sounds like a god damn Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech jet or uncle Jimmy's post-vindaloo Sunday shit.

 

[01011001]

yea bizarre times it was, but i think sony will state exact number for ps5, no shenanigans.

back then noone checked numbers like that.
imagine if one of them tried this bullshit nowadays coming out stating "our machine has a theoretical 50.8Tflops of computing power!"

back then not a single person watching their press conference ever heard of the term TFLOP so noone had any idea what 2TF even means

it's really funny watching those old press conferences

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Black. Previous DK ran hot with thermal peaks that were not intended, as I’ve mentioned. As far as I know, there I’ve only been two types of DK, silver and a final black one, both pretty much the same design though. But as I also said previously, the latest DK had a few issues at 11.6 still and there was a possibility of a slight downclock to keep temps in check (this was the one people reported being too loud still), which is why I don’t see them pushing higher unless they fix other areas, which at this stage in the game I just can’t see?

(All this is old info I’ve posted before Btw, I’m not posting anything new).

As for which it was, I cant put a number on it. I’ve heard at least 3 kits being in the wild and this was the last one (up to date like two weeks back), but as for the having an actual number? I couldn’t say, and haven’t been told.

Thank you, Mr. Pigeon

 

[SportsFan581]

back then noone checked numbers like that.
imagine if one of them tried this bullshit nowadays coming out stating "our machine has a theoretical 50.8Tflops of computing power!"

back then not a single person watching their press conference ever heard of the term TFLOP so noone had any idea what 2TF even means

it's really funny watching those old press conferences

50TF it is then. That's a nice number for the PS5, exciting news. I'm sharing this on reddit now...

 

[geordiemp]

Back then, that large a jump was a much bigger deal to those console bases. It may seem small now, but things were different then. But essentially if you upclock form 1.8 to 2.0, is the same sort of jump next gen for 11.6 to 12. Possible, but not really worth it when all things considered.

This is definately an improvement over your last picture ......

Nab him
Jab him
Tab him
Grab him
Stop that pigeon now

source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/tvthemes/dastardlymutleyintheirflyingmachinelyrics.html

 

[lepermessiah]

What if I put an ice cube on dat 11.6 TFS

 

[kebaldo]

Hi I'm new and English isn't my first language... So sorry if I mess up with some words or grammar.
Don't now if someone reported it here but there's a new rumor: the Playstation Experience will be in August. With all this Cornoa caos in the world I can see it as possible.

 

[Shmunter]

The pandemic has soured the global mood to a point where delivering new product announcements is counterintuitive, would get lost in the current atmosphere. Things will get far worse before getting better. This will last months to come.

Not expecting anything riveting anytime soon and expecting delays till next year.

 

[Agnostic2020]

The pandemic has soured the global mood to a point where delivering new product announcements is counterintuitive, would get lost in the current atmosphere. Things will get far worse before getting better. This will last months to come.

Not expecting anything riveting anytime soon and expecting delays till next year.

i just hope they do a wired spec article for techies and then maybe a reveal for demos and games in may.

 

[Darius87]

if i'm not mistaked zen2 is near 1 tflop at fp32.
here you go 11.6 + 1 = 13 rounded.

 

[hardseppo]

As for the OLED discussion, I have a Philips 55" 4K/HDR OLED with AmbiLight for 1,5 years now and no burn-in or similar so far. It's in my "office/gaming room" and I couldn't be happier about it.

And if I watch too many hours in succession, it wants to shut off for 10 mins to clear the panel. That's it.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think 11.6TF allows for marketing to say 12TF (with when rounded as a tiny, tiny footnote) too - which I wouldn't put past either of them.

That's what OsirisBlack suggested. I didn't tag him to avoid giving him a headache as he would be busy right now. He said they would say 12, but it's 11.6 for now (Xbox).

 

[Agnostic2020]

As for the OLED discussion, I have a Philips 55" 4K/HDR OLED with AmbiLight for 1,5 years now and no burn-in or similar so far. It's in my "office/gaming room" and I couldn't be happier about it.

And if I watch too many hours in succession, it wants to shut off for 10 mins to clear the panel. That's it.

why does back of your tv lights up the same color as screen?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

That's what OsirisBlack suggested. I didn't tag him to avoid giving him a headache as he would be busy right now. He said they would say 12, but it's 11.6 for now (Xbox).

Personally speaking I doubt it will be that, if anything everything is pointing towards the SX being 12.1 or so, not less.

With how the eyes are on the spec of the machines so much, to say 12 and be actually half a flop less would be suicide.

 

[hardseppo]

why does back of your tv lights up the same color as screen?

that's "AmbiLight", a feature of some Philips TV's, but the panel itself is from LG (they don't manufacture those themselves anymore).

The first 30 mins. it's a bit distracting, but from then on, I couldn't live without it anymore (it adds so much to the atmosphere), it's my 3rd TV with AmbiLight by now

 

[SportsFan581]

The downside is games won’t be built to take advantage of it, and it will be left to the side and not bothered with most of the time by a majority of people, as it will be seen as a none essential extra. Remember that the touch pad is built into every controller and hardly anybody uses it. Something like this would take much more development time.

What kind of things do you think it would be used for? This type of thing seemed more useful in the local multiplayer era, but maybe I'm just not thinking of the right use cases.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Personally speaking I doubt it will be that, if anything everything is pointing towards the SX being 12.1 or so, not less.

With how the eyes are on the spec of the machines so much, to say 12 and be actually half a flop less would be suicide.

I would be happy with 11.6 anyway, to me PS4 Pro was the superior console compared to X1X even with the big gap of power, so now it's nothing to be concerned about if that's what we're getting. Final dev kits around June-July should shed more light to the matter if Sony kept silent all that long.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

What kind of things do you think it would be used for? This type of thing seemed more useful in the local multiplayer era, but maybe I'm just not thinking of the right use cases.

Well if we are guessing about the use, it could be anything. Watch YouTube? Get messages? Viewing ingame statistics? Could be anything.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

that's "AmbiLight", a feature of some Philips TV's, but the panel itself is from LG (they don't manufacture those themselves anymore).

The first 30 mins. it's a bit distracting, but from then on, I couldn't live without it anymore (it adds so much to the atmosphere), it's my 3rd TV with AmbiLight by now

Funny you brought that up, Sony OLED's seems to be better as well. It's more reported from LG itself, although all OLED's are made by their branch (LG Panel). The new Panasonic has a new cooling system that helps it push up to 1000 nits, and should help with burn-ins as well, I guess. But no HDMI 2.1, only LG's.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Cerny : "PS5 is almost 12TFLOPS* of power!"

*11.6tflops

He might even say "over six times the power of PS4!"

 

[thurnishaleygw]

I would be happy with 11.6 anyway, to me PS4 Pro was the superior console compared to X1X even with the big gap of power, so now it's nothing to be concerned about if that's what we're getting. Final dev kits around June-July should shed more light to the matter if Sony kept silent all that long.

Well, I would argue that in many instances, from a hardware perspective, the One X is a pretty good machine, the Pro on the other hand is a little bit unbalanced. The thing is, and it's something to bear in mind at all times, I still played the shit outta the Pro instead of the One X, because of the software, because of the games. That's mainly why 11.6 vs 12, hell, even something lower vs 12 shouldn't be too much of a worry. Microsoft has a lot to prove in the first party territory, Sony, they have to basically keep doing the same good work.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well, I would argue that in many instances, from a hardware perspective, the One X is a pretty good machine, the Pro on the other hand is a little bit unbalanced. The thing is, and it's something to bear in mind at all times, I still played the shit outta the Pro instead of the One X, because of the software, because of the games. That's mainly why 11.6 vs 12, hell, even something lower vs 12 shouldn't be too much of a worry. Microsoft has a lot to prove in the first party territory, Sony, they have to basically keep doing the same good work.

Yup, meant overall (software). PS4 Pro might be a mediocre restaurant but serves better recipes

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Yup, meant overall (software). PS4 Pro might be a mediocre restaurant but serves better recipes

That's a perfect analogy, my good sir