DynamiteCop!
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The guy was calling something fake that wasn't fake, what am I supposed to be keeping up with here exactly?
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Read the posts. The back and forth isn't very productive.
It's simple. If these inaccuracies were nitpicky and easily missed because you're just driving past them fast anyway you would have made the same comments about that GTS inaccuracy. You didn't. In fact you were quick to post *dead* pics and incorrectly mention 'photomode' when GTS inaccuracies were mentioned and shown to not exist anymore by a poster.
You're defending forza now because it has some glaring inaccuracies by saying you won't even notice them and it's nitpicking.
If you weren't such a Forza diehard when Hage mentioned that the GTS issue existed but was fixed after laughing at it and not mentioning it's fixed you would have said something along the lines of 'well to be fair its nitpicking and driver86 wouldn't notice the inaccuracy even before the fix anyway because you're driving past fast and you're being nitpicky hage' but obviously you wouldn't say that. I don't need to tell you why that didn't happen at all. You were having a field day.
Forza on the other hand the excuses come out and others are crazy for pointing out the blatant inaccuracies trackside.
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DynamiteCop!
Banned
I was having a field day because that delusional guy said it was fake, it wasn't fake, the track said SUZUZUKA and he denied that it ever did. In what dimension is that in any way something wrong?
Like with ethomaz in the post I just corrected just a few hours ago I corrected Driver all the same then. That misprint on the track was real, it was something in the game and he pushed that it was FAKE. Do you not understand that, not that it was fixed, that it was FAKE.
It wasn't, you're not making very compelling arguments here.
He said nothing about it being fake before you went on your misguided photomode rant and if it was 'nitpicky and nauseating' for forza it would have been the same there. If you went to the effort you tried with defending Forza building inaccuracies you would have fired up the game, noticed photomode makes no difference to the argument, mentioned that hage is being nitpicky and nauseating for not only mentioning a minute detail but a fixed minute detail that driver86 perhaps didn't realise was in an old version and went on your merry way but like I said you were having a field day then (fake was in relation to posting it after the update with no mention). Now trackside detail is not important at all because Forza is involved.
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DynamiteCop!
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He said it was fake in the midst of another argument and continued to push that it was until enough evidence dogpiled on him that he stopped talking, flat out end of discussion.
This is where you're losing the plot, I'm not calling out the inaccuracies in the game, I'm calling out the denial or insinuation of them when they're incorrect.
Driver86 said the "SUZUZUKA" pic was fake and argued that it was fake over multiple posts, it wasn't fake and he got schooled.
Ethomaz said that there was no balcony and that it was flat, it wasn't, the balcony is there and it's not flat.
Do you not see the delineation here? They're saying factually incorrect things and being told that they're wrong and corrected with evidence. This has fuck all what to do with me saying that people need to stop nitpicking tiny details that get lost in the background?
Bogroll
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Iv'e been trying to post some console Project cars 2 pictures to mix it up a little but it won't let me.
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New Yorks Finest
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This side of the thread is exclusively for Forza and GTS, it's not a accepting anything else..rejected by default
Gingen
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TheAdmiester
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Dunno about anyone else but I’d sure like to see some pics posted in this thread as opposed to just console warring.
thelastword
Banned
Look at the draw distance, the quality of the foliage. You can actually see fine detail and see the tree trunks way into the distance, pick up leaves and fine detail easily......Look at the lighting over the trees how it makes them look realistic, how the light hits those buildings realistically, then the crowd to the left looks like a real crowd. 3D nicely lit...everything looks authentic, you can be fooled that this is a real scene, based on the lighting materials and ATD....
Check how dark everything is, everything is a blur, you can't see fine detail way into the background, draw distance is not as good.....Darkness is used to hide fine detail, which they don't have to render, quality of the trees and objects are dialed down significantly under that fog and dark hue to save cpu/gpu cycles, check how close into the foreground the fog is and the dark hue actually is...….You can't make out the crowds, but there's even less detail here, up close they are cardboard cut outs, here they are just dots on a stand...Remember how you could make out fine detail on buildings way into the background in GT, all buildings are perfectly lit......GTS is not trying to obfuscate detail, because the detail is there and the rendering is at a higher level at all times.... So many tricks and culling of detail to make this run at 60fps on XBONES...
Fence and Fence poles perfectly rendered, it's not just a meshy low poly fence with lots of aliasing in-game, you can make up the clouds and other trees behind the first lining of tree trunks.....Look at the crowds near the track and in that building to the far right.....Look at how the light hits the car, the trees, the fence poles, the building full with people.....
Again much flatter scene, much darker hues, lighting is just not good, lighting on the building is flat. lighting hitting the side of the track or the track and the cars is several leagues lower.....
Again, great detail on the overall scene, lots of activity, 3D crowds, lighting and how it hits an interacts with the building, fence poles, tire wall, trees, car, even the cone up right......sets ups the scene nicely. Even the grass tuffs between the stone wall is more believable and the stone wall is more detailed here too...….And please check out the clouds, how the light bursts through the tree stock with shadows etc....
Again flat lighting, lack of detail and believability to the scene, flat 2d crowds, stone wall looks like it was painted on, the clouds
Again, nothing to hide, all detail are heavily lit in your face, no dark hues to mask detail......You get the feeling that there are layers and layers of trees behind the first line of trunk stock, the way light hits the trees and environs, of course the trees are more 3D than in Forza too......You can pick up detail on the fences easily, the way light hits the buildings and the whole scene, the better shadows etc....
More dark hues, masking detail etc,,,,Fence is a dark dither....
Check how dark everything is, everything is a blur, you can't see fine detail way into the background, draw distance is not as good.....Darkness is used to hide fine detail, which they don't have to render, quality of the trees and objects are dialed down significantly under that fog and dark hue to save cpu/gpu cycles, check how close into the foreground the fog is and the dark hue actually is...….You can't make out the crowds, but there's even less detail here, up close they are cardboard cut outs, here they are just dots on a stand...Remember how you could make out fine detail on buildings way into the background in GT, all buildings are perfectly lit......GTS is not trying to obfuscate detail, because the detail is there and the rendering is at a higher level at all times.... So many tricks and culling of detail to make this run at 60fps on XBONES...
Fence and Fence poles perfectly rendered, it's not just a meshy low poly fence with lots of aliasing in-game, you can make up the clouds and other trees behind the first lining of tree trunks.....Look at the crowds near the track and in that building to the far right.....Look at how the light hits the car, the trees, the fence poles, the building full with people.....
Again much flatter scene, much darker hues, lighting is just not good, lighting on the building is flat. lighting hitting the side of the track or the track and the cars is several leagues lower.....
Again, great detail on the overall scene, lots of activity, 3D crowds, lighting and how it hits an interacts with the building, fence poles, tire wall, trees, car, even the cone up right......sets ups the scene nicely. Even the grass tuffs between the stone wall is more believable and the stone wall is more detailed here too...….And please check out the clouds, how the light bursts through the tree stock with shadows etc....
Again flat lighting, lack of detail and believability to the scene, flat 2d crowds, stone wall looks like it was painted on, the clouds
Again, nothing to hide, all detail are heavily lit in your face, no dark hues to mask detail......You get the feeling that there are layers and layers of trees behind the first line of trunk stock, the way light hits the trees and environs, of course the trees are more 3D than in Forza too......You can pick up detail on the fences easily, the way light hits the buildings and the whole scene, the better shadows etc....
More dark hues, masking detail etc,,,,Fence is a dark dither....
LostDonkey
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You have got to be fucking kidding with this shit. There is more detail in every one of those shots on the side of Forza.
The second shot look at the stones on the hill how more detailed they are in Forza casting shadows onto the grass which itself is higher quality. The tyre wall is higher quality, you can see inside the building through the window on Forza.
Look at the roof tiles on the little building, in comparison 3, much higher quality, car model is better. Pylon is missing on GTS. Track texture is better quality on forza and again lights are on and you can see into the buildings.
This is ridiculous now how much bullshit youre coming out with just to try and push this agenda.
The second shot look at the stones on the hill how more detailed they are in Forza casting shadows onto the grass which itself is higher quality. The tyre wall is higher quality, you can see inside the building through the window on Forza.
Look at the roof tiles on the little building, in comparison 3, much higher quality, car model is better. Pylon is missing on GTS. Track texture is better quality on forza and again lights are on and you can see into the buildings.
This is ridiculous now how much bullshit youre coming out with just to try and push this agenda.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Different times of day, look at the shadows down the track, GTS has no practically futher down the trackLook at the draw distance, the quality of the foliage. You can actually see fine detail and see the tree trunks way into the distance, pick up leaves and fine detail easily......Look at the lighting over the trees how it makes them look realistic, how the light hits those buildings realistically, then the crowd to the left looks like a real crowd. 3D nicely lit...everything looks authentic, you can be fooled that this is a real scene, based on the lighting materials and ATD....
Check how dark everything is, everything is a blur, you can't see fine detail way into the background, draw distance is not as good.....Darkness is used to hide fine detail, which they don't have to render, quality of the trees and objects are dialed down significantly under that fog and dark hue to save cpu/gpu cycles, check how close into the foreground the fog is and the dark hue actually is...….You can't make out the crowds, but there's even less detail here, up close they are cardboard cut outs, here they are just dots on a stand...Remember how you could make out fine detail on buildings way into the background in GT, all buildings are perfectly lit......GTS is not trying to obfuscate detail, because the detail is there and the rendering is at a higher level at all times.... So many tricks and culling of detail to make this run at 60fps on XBONES...
Fence and Fence poles perfectly rendered, it's not just a meshy low poly fence with lots of aliasing in-game, you can make up the clouds and other trees behind the first lining of tree trunks.....Look at the crowds near the track and in that building to the far right.....Look at how the light hits the car, the trees, the fence poles, the building full with people.....
Again much flatter scene, much darker hues, lighting is just not good, lighting on the building is flat. lighting hitting the side of the track or the track and the cars is several leagues lower.....
Again, great detail on the overall scene, lots of activity, 3D crowds, lighting and how it hits an interacts with the building, fence poles, tire wall, trees, car, even the cone up right......sets ups the scene nicely. Even the grass tuffs between the stone wall is more believable and the stone wall is more detailed here too...….And please check out the clouds, how the light bursts through the tree stock with shadows etc....
Again flat lighting, lack of detail and believability to the scene, flat 2d crowds, stone wall looks like it was painted on, the clouds
Again, nothing to hide, all detail are heavily lit in your face, no dark hues to mask detail......You get the feeling that there are layers and layers of trees behind the first line of trunk stock, the way light hits the trees and environs, of course the trees are more 3D than in Forza too......You can pick up detail on the fences easily, the way light hits the buildings and the whole scene, the better shadows etc....
More dark hues, masking detail etc,,,,Fence is a dark dither....
ethomaz
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The tire wall is like GTS and not like Forza.
But the Pylon is really missing in GTS because it is new (2018 added).
The house's windows I can't say for sure because I don't have a good angle of that part of Spa (both 2018 F1 videos are not direct aiming to the house so it is hard to say).
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Bogroll
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That looks like a external blind/cover of some sort maybe as Forza has glass wall blocks without cover blind thats why you can see the light through it.
Here you go mate. Again Forza with the made up model of windows.
LostDonkey
Member
It is. Its a shutter lol
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Look at the medical center and joining building, that roof texture on Gts looks like its been ripped straight out Half Life and look at the roof light (roof window) lol what the fuck is that lol.Look at the draw distance, the quality of the foliage. You can actually see fine detail and see the tree trunks way into the distance, pick up leaves and fine detail easily......Look at the lighting over the trees how it makes them look realistic, how the light hits those buildings realistically, then the crowd to the left looks like a real crowd. 3D nicely lit...everything looks authentic, you can be fooled that this is a real scene, based on the lighting materials and ATD....
Check how dark everything is, everything is a blur, you can't see fine detail way into the background, draw distance is not as good.....Darkness is used to hide fine detail, which they don't have to render, quality of the trees and objects are dialed down significantly under that fog and dark hue to save cpu/gpu cycles, check how close into the foreground the fog is and the dark hue actually is...….You can't make out the crowds, but there's even less detail here, up close they are cardboard cut outs, here they are just dots on a stand...Remember how you could make out fine detail on buildings way into the background in GT, all buildings are perfectly lit......GTS is not trying to obfuscate detail, because the detail is there and the rendering is at a higher level at all times.... So many tricks and culling of detail to make this run at 60fps on XBONES...
Fence and Fence poles perfectly rendered, it's not just a meshy low poly fence with lots of aliasing in-game, you can make up the clouds and other trees behind the first lining of tree trunks.....Look at the crowds near the track and in that building to the far right.....Look at how the light hits the car, the trees, the fence poles, the building full with people.....
Again much flatter scene, much darker hues, lighting is just not good, lighting on the building is flat. lighting hitting the side of the track or the track and the cars is several leagues lower.....
Again, great detail on the overall scene, lots of activity, 3D crowds, lighting and how it hits an interacts with the building, fence poles, tire wall, trees, car, even the cone up right......sets ups the scene nicely. Even the grass tuffs between the stone wall is more believable and the stone wall is more detailed here too...….And please check out the clouds, how the light bursts through the tree stock with shadows etc....
Again flat lighting, lack of detail and believability to the scene, flat 2d crowds, stone wall looks like it was painted on, the clouds
Again, nothing to hide, all detail are heavily lit in your face, no dark hues to mask detail......You get the feeling that there are layers and layers of trees behind the first line of trunk stock, the way light hits the trees and environs, of course the trees are more 3D than in Forza too......You can pick up detail on the fences easily, the way light hits the buildings and the whole scene, the better shadows etc....
More dark hues, masking detail etc,,,,Fence is a dark dither....
It's not a shutter. What about the other side window split in two?
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
The window in the photo ? Oh the brown framed window that joins the glass wall blocks and you can see the rail guides for when the blinds are down.
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Yes the one that continues up the roof. Compare the bottom of it.
Bogroll
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I thought you was on about other window. Still could be a blind though especially as they have other blind up.
Man how silly is this getting now lol
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Bogroll
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And yet there's culling when moving to Pro from standard Ps4 isn't there, But when you move to XbX from XB1 there's lots of improvements not downgrades, i say aren't you at least have better resolution not downgrades when moving to Pro from base.
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Bogroll
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https://images.app.goo.gl/my47Hc37hQYCaXCt8 Yes it must be a blind or Gts is wrong but F7 is correct.
LostDonkey
Member
Oof.
ethomaz
Banned
Like I said before it changed.
The pic below was taken in Aug 2017.
I will try to find a more recente picture.
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It's not a blind man. That pic is from 2012. Its been replaced.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
It might be some sort of shutter/blind what ever you want to call it as you can have them for the roof windows as well.
How do you know its been replaced, have you got a picture ? That's as good as we've got for now anyway.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
You need a clearer picture, maybe a shutter/ blindLike I said before it changed.
The pic below was taken in Aug 2017.
I will try to find a more recente picture.
ethomaz
Banned
That is the most recent video from Spa that I could find... Aug 2019 F1 race... 31 minutes is what you should to look.
It both different from GTS and Forza 7... I believe some parts like the antenna/pole is temporary only for Formula 1 GPs (so each year it is different)... when there is no race it is not there.
It both different from GTS and Forza 7... I believe some parts like the antenna/pole is temporary only for Formula 1 GPs (so each year it is different)... when there is no race it is not there.
What that even mean...
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
clearer picture eg in the day that the picture you provided.
ethomaz
Banned
This guy took the picture: https://rutisreisen.de/streckenrundgang-auf-dem-circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
I believe it is not clearer because he took them at night... the ones he took at day time are fine.
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Bogroll
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I know you didn't take it lol
DynamiteCop!
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Why do I feel like that guy doesn't own GTS now...
TheAdmiester
Member
Just to note the Spa differences where different pictures match both games:
Forza first got Spa in 2013 with FM5, it's reasonable to believe that their scanning of Spa took place in 2012-ish. Most average players probably can't tell the difference between all of these minute details, so they've probably never updated the trackside surroundings.
GT had Spa in 2013 with GT5, but it took ages for it to come to GTS - this leads me to believe it's been re-scanned since GT5, probably anywhere between 2016-18.
Both are accurate in their own ways depending on the time period and the pictures you find.
Forza first got Spa in 2013 with FM5, it's reasonable to believe that their scanning of Spa took place in 2012-ish. Most average players probably can't tell the difference between all of these minute details, so they've probably never updated the trackside surroundings.
GT had Spa in 2013 with GT5, but it took ages for it to come to GTS - this leads me to believe it's been re-scanned since GT5, probably anywhere between 2016-18.
Both are accurate in their own ways depending on the time period and the pictures you find.
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Its really funny they keep ingoring the whole shot and are focusing on tinny details, this is what they focus on (the red marked areas)
And this is what they ignore lol
And the funny thing is even if those parts are more accurate in GTS, they are still sharper and more detailed in Forza than GTS.
And this is what they ignore lol
And the funny thing is even if those parts are more accurate in GTS, they are still sharper and more detailed in Forza than GTS.
DynamiteCop!
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ethomaz
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You are right lolThis is a video game dude lol
I should had used the previous video from F1 2018 but I tried to find one from 2019.
At 1:30.
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Turk1993
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Here are some screenshots from PC2 from the same locations and as close as posible tod and weather
And below you find the other 2 games
And below you find the other 2 games
Just opened another Flickr account because Imgur is converting my png's to Jpeg, even if they are good quality i do it so some people here have no excuses anymore. So i re upload my post in all PNG this time
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Part 2 with rain
and below the other 2
and below the other 2
First part i will compare the track with weather, second part will be sunny and environment detail shots.
Part 1
Parts that are actually incorrectIts really funny they keep ingoring the whole shot and are focusing on tinny details, this is what they focus on (the red marked areas)
And this is what they ignore lol
And the funny thing is even if those parts are more accurate in GTS, they are still sharper and more detailed in Forza than GTS.
Lost your keen photomode detective eyes I see.
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
What are you showing me here?
Stuart360
Member
This is still going strong eh?.
Instead of taking the piss, i'll give my 2 cents. GT has by far the better lighting, it always has, but Forza has more detailed graphics imo.
With GT, i have always looked at the graphics and thought 'apart from the cars, what would this game look like if you stripped away the textures and just saw the polygons', it would probably look less detailed than Virtua Racing arcade.
You still have that flat wall of trees 2D textures in GT, when you look past the first lears of trees, i mean i know its hard to see for a player, but still. Its like that Sweden track in one of the GT games from last gen, it looks amazing, until you actually study it and ralize those mountains in the background are like a flat texture.
Forza has always seemed to have much more polygons in play, much more trackside detail.
Instead of taking the piss, i'll give my 2 cents. GT has by far the better lighting, it always has, but Forza has more detailed graphics imo.
With GT, i have always looked at the graphics and thought 'apart from the cars, what would this game look like if you stripped away the textures and just saw the polygons', it would probably look less detailed than Virtua Racing arcade.
You still have that flat wall of trees 2D textures in GT, when you look past the first lears of trees, i mean i know its hard to see for a player, but still. Its like that Sweden track in one of the GT games from last gen, it looks amazing, until you actually study it and ralize those mountains in the background are like a flat texture.
Forza has always seemed to have much more polygons in play, much more trackside detail.
ethomaz
Banned
But tree are basically 2D with little detail on Forza 7
Here the DF comment:
| "In Forza, trees generally consist of two flat planes or 'billboards' in a cross-pattern, fixed to the ground. While driving, this means that the trees are stationary, always facing the player like a sprite. These billboards lack any sort of realistic light interaction and do not self-shadow properly but as a result, they can appear less distracting during the race. Polyphony Digital's approach is more ambitious. It uses flat planes which are always facing the player, but these are paired with more complex tree trunks and branches in many cases with multiple billboards, which do rotate with the camera. These trees also accept light and shadow meaning that they sit within the environment more realistically. The issue here is that during some races, the shadow position can create strange edges at a distance on top of minor pop-up. Technically, it's the more advanced approach, but it's not without its own shortcomings." |
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