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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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ACC nurburgring.
I wish, its AC, Nordchleife hasnt come out on ACC yet
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Just posting a pic hopefully 3840x2160 as I presume I've been banned from the DF Forza v GT7 thread for unknowingly posting picture that wasn't full rez. ( I presume this as I I haven't been given a reason) saved via PS5-USB then shared from PostImage as I can't upload directly on Gaf.
Can someone confirm for me 3840x2160 so I don't accused in the future of anything.
Can someone confirm for me 3840x2160 so I don't accused in the future of anything.
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I saw the trailer for that a few weeks ago and thought it was the release trailer doh, and I couldn't remember any of my porsches in ac having the race logic computer but that doesn't mean much, i'm not a huge porsche guy and probably havn't driven any of the ones that came with the base game. Good old AC, the game that keeps on giving.
Will leave this here as penance for getting it wrong.
Now I need to take a mustang for a run around Mount Panarama.
Bunta_Fujiwara
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LFS has great physics considering it was released 20 years ago
Dat tyre deformation on the black car <3
Thats exactly the PP filter I used for the video haha
CamHostage
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Does raster road scrolling still count as next-gen?
(*This is almost assuredly using polygons and texturing instead of old raster line tricks, but either way, it's a change of pace for a sec.)
(*This is almost assuredly using polygons and texturing instead of old raster line tricks, but either way, it's a change of pace for a sec.)
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FukuDaruma
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FukuDaruma
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Even a game like Euro Truck Simulator, done by a little independent studio of 15 people, has rain effects that are like a whole generation better than GT7 and Forza... wtf is wrong with those hundreds of millions big studios? they're not even trying anymore... 
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Dr. Suchong
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"Built from the ground up"
Lol
sigrad
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I know.
When it comes to weather (not graphics), i believe Project Cars 2 is doing best job.
Not only puddles have massive impact on your car but drying line is not some script of "perfect line" drying faster, but its actually based on track temperatures. If you will purposely drive on "wrong" part of the track, its gonna dry faster than perfect line. Pretty neat.
Not only puddles have massive impact on your car but drying line is not some script of "perfect line" drying faster, but its actually based on track temperatures. If you will purposely drive on "wrong" part of the track, its gonna dry faster than perfect line. Pretty neat.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Even a game like Euro Truck Simulator, done by a little independent studio of 15 people, has rain effects that are like a whole generation better than GT7 and Forza... wtf is wrong with those hundreds of millions big studios? they're not even trying anymore...
Not to detract from how awesome SCS is but that rain is from a mod (which I guess drives your point even more as a modder does that and AAA can't).
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saintjules
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Even a game like Euro Truck Simulator, done by a little independent studio of 15 people, has rain effects that are like a whole generation better than GT7 and Forza... wtf is wrong with those hundreds of millions big studios? they're not even trying anymore...
Maybe someone is dictating decisions and doesn't know what is good to have versus bad in these AAA studios? Only thing I can think of.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Even a game like Euro Truck Simulator, done by a little independent studio of 15 people, has rain effects that are like a whole generation better than GT7 and Forza... wtf is wrong with those hundreds of millions big studios? they're not even trying anymore...
Its not only because they can't or not want, its the leads decision to make it simple so that casual players are not complaining about visibility. I remember that in FM7 demo there was heavy storm rain that poured the windscreen full of droplets but they got bad feedback about the visibility and reduced it at launch. They are more focused on casuals than there real hardcore fans unfortunately. Im 100% sure that both PD and T10 could make the best rain effects ever if they would focus on it and put it high on there list. But after almost 10 years with the same looking rain effects i don't expect it from them anymore tbh. It seems that they don't care how the rain looks from the cockpit. My last hope is FH6 on the new engine since they always use the engine in its full potential. But even there im a bit iffy.
left is demo right is the game at launch
Also while the Rain effects in FM (2023) are improved compared to FM7, they are still behind compared to DC, ACC, AC (modded), DR and many others. Same goes for GT7.
FukuDaruma
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Its not only because they can't or not want, its the leads decision to make it simple so that casual players are not complaining about visibility. I remember that in FM7 demo there was heavy storm rain that poured the windscreen full of droplets but they got bad feedback about the visibility and reduced it at launch. They are more focused on casuals than there real hardcore fans unfortunately. Im 100% sure that both PD and T10 could make the best rain effects ever if they would focus on it and put it high on there list. But after almost 10 years with the same looking rain effects i don't expect it from them anymore tbh. It seems that they don't care how the rain looks from the cockpit. My last hope is FH6 on the new engine since they always use the engine in its full potential. But even there im a bit iffy.
left is demo right is the game at launch
Also while the Rain effects in FM (2023) are improved compared to FM7, they are still behind compared to DC, ACC, AC (modded), DR and many others. Same goes for GT7.
Seems so, but that would be as easy to fix as having a setting in the menus to allow the user to configure how much or how 'hard' you want the rain effects to be...
Driveclub was a lot more focused to casuals and non-sim people. As is Forza Horizon, marketed as an "open world arcade".
GT7 is marketed as "The Real Driving Simulator", and Forza as more near to a sim than to an arcade.
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So I used to play alot of grand prix legends back in the 90's, i've played around with some of the mods to update it and they ge it to a reasonable state. I've never bothered to look at the old race track mods for AC as i've generally been all in on the open world type mods. So news years eve while I was getting drunk, a friend decided to go adds the mods to my AC in an effort to get me onboard for some nights playing these in the coming weeks. Long story short, if you were ever into gpl and want a modern "remaster" the AC mods with the old track layouts are a real treat.
Fun Fact. This made 3 drunk people throw up playing it in VR on new years.
Fun Fact. This made 3 drunk people throw up playing it in VR on new years.
Senua
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Wow this actually pisses me off a little! It's a sim ffs, T10 need to stop babying players, the ones that enjoy being babied are playing Horizon now. They need to move on from "car lovers into gamers" and "toddlers to grandpas playing together" bullshit that holds the game back as a serious racer. I want this game to be a challenge, if it has a hard storm reduce my visibility, it's all part of the experience!Its not only because they can't or not want, its the leads decision to make it simple so that casual players are not complaining about visibility. I remember that in FM7 demo there was heavy storm rain that poured the windscreen full of droplets but they got bad feedback about the visibility and reduced it at launch. They are more focused on casuals than there real hardcore fans unfortunately. Im 100% sure that both PD and T10 could make the best rain effects ever if they would focus on it and put it high on there list. But after almost 10 years with the same looking rain effects i don't expect it from them anymore tbh. It seems that they don't care how the rain looks from the cockpit. My last hope is FH6 on the new engine since they always use the engine in its full potential. But even there im a bit iffy.
left is demo right is the game at launch
Also while the Rain effects in FM (2023) are improved compared to FM7, they are still behind compared to DC, ACC, AC (modded), DR and many others. Same goes for GT7.
sigrad
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Actually Rain reacted better on your windshield in FM 7 than it does in FM 2023. The side windows still look good. Oh, and puddles are a thing of the past in FM 2023. You had to be pretty careful in FM7. Can't even tell the track is wet on FM 2023.Its not only because they can't or not want, its the leads decision to make it simple so that casual players are not complaining about visibility. I remember that in FM7 demo there was heavy storm rain that poured the windscreen full of droplets but they got bad feedback about the visibility and reduced it at launch. They are more focused on casuals than there real hardcore fans unfortunately. Im 100% sure that both PD and T10 could make the best rain effects ever if they would focus on it and put it high on there list. But after almost 10 years with the same looking rain effects i don't expect it from them anymore tbh. It seems that they don't care how the rain looks from the cockpit. My last hope is FH6 on the new engine since they always use the engine in its full potential. But even there im a bit iffy.
left is demo right is the game at launch
Also while the Rain effects in FM (2023) are improved compared to FM7, they are still behind compared to DC, ACC, AC (modded), DR and many others. Same goes for GT7.
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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Asseto Corsa looks great....when PC modders changed the game so much it doesn't even represent the original game visually. Without the mods, AC doesn't even come close to GT7. Hopefully the new AC that should be announced/released this year pushes the boundaries.
Senua
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Who woulda thought game released almost a decade ago wouldnt look as good as GT7! That's Assetto Corsa Competizione anyway, which looks considerably better than AC.
CamHostage
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Since this thread has been bumping recently, it seems like a good time to seed Rennsport into the conversation.
Rennsport is a UE5 racing game for PC (and only PC at this point, maybe ever.) It is made by Teyon, the makers of Robocop Rogue City... well, not really, it's by a partner team called "Competition Company", but Teyon is helping and also publishing. It uses the isiMotor 2 drive system found in rFactor 1/2 (and there's been some controversy about that, although either way, they're doing a lot of custom work as well.) Currently, it is only listed as Coming Soon (no presale) on Epic Game Store, I don't know if it's a planned exclusive launch there. The game is very eSports-oriented, which manifests itself in some broadcast and "digital ownership" systems (not NFTs though) to look into. A beta is out and there are various impressions (good and bad) about its current state of polish and promise.
www.overtake.gg
boxthislap.org
simracinginfo.com
Rennsport is a UE5 racing game for PC (and only PC at this point, maybe ever.) It is made by Teyon, the makers of Robocop Rogue City... well, not really, it's by a partner team called "Competition Company", but Teyon is helping and also publishing. It uses the isiMotor 2 drive system found in rFactor 1/2 (and there's been some controversy about that, although either way, they're doing a lot of custom work as well.) Currently, it is only listed as Coming Soon (no presale) on Epic Game Store, I don't know if it's a planned exclusive launch there. The game is very eSports-oriented, which manifests itself in some broadcast and "digital ownership" systems (not NFTs though) to look into. A beta is out and there are various impressions (good and bad) about its current state of polish and promise.
Rennsport Beta: Our First Impressions
Our writer Luca was lucky enough to be selected for the Rennsport beta. Observing a few details about the sim that may need refining.
www.overtake.gg
Rennsport – First Impressions
After waiting for months and being super excited to see what a new simulation game has to offer, on Thursday afternoon, some of us at Boxthislap.org finally got our hands on the closed beta keys fo…
boxthislap.org
Rennsport: Closed Beta Review
We finally got our key for Rennsport a couple of days ago, not long after giving up on ever getting one. This is a short review of Rennsport in its current and must not be seen as representative of the release version. Installation All relevant installation instructions are provided in
simracinginfo.com
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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I was talking about the lates AC not the first one. My point being, people use it as a graphical showcase but thats like someone using GTA 5 with 90 mods and saying look how great the game looks but its not how it "actually" looks. ACC looks amazing.....thanks to 100 mods on it.
Senua
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You can't even mod ACC lol
Bunta_Fujiwara
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The car models in this game are so beautiful
FukuDaruma
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SimTourist
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Looks good overall, but they always mess up the little details like curb sizes, colors and angles, width, etc. Even the version from GT4 on PS2 is probaly more correct as a track.
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FukuDaruma
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amigastar
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Interested in this. But i'll wait until it leaves EA.
Since this thread has been bumping recently, it seems like a good time to seed Rennsport into the conversation.
Rennsport is a UE5 racing game for PC (and only PC at this point, maybe ever.) It is made by Teyon, the makers of Robocop Rogue City... well, not really, it's by a partner team called "Competition Company", but Teyon is helping and also publishing. It uses the isiMotor 2 drive system found in rFactor 1/2 (and there's been some controversy about that, although either way, they're doing a lot of custom work as well.) Currently, it is only listed as Coming Soon (no presale) on Epic Game Store, I don't know if it's a planned exclusive launch there. The game is very eSports-oriented, which manifests itself in some broadcast and "digital ownership" systems (not NFTs though) to look into. A beta is out and there are various impressions (good and bad) about its current state of polish and promise.
Rennsport Beta: Our First Impressions
Our writer Luca was lucky enough to be selected for the Rennsport beta. Observing a few details about the sim that may need refining.Rennsport – First Impressions
After waiting for months and being super excited to see what a new simulation game has to offer, on Thursday afternoon, some of us at Boxthislap.org finally got our hands on the closed beta keys fo…Rennsport: Closed Beta Review
We finally got our key for Rennsport a couple of days ago, not long after giving up on ever getting one. This is a short review of Rennsport in its current and must not be seen as representative of the release version. Installation All relevant installation instructions are provided in
I got the key and still havent plaqyed it lol, seems quite boring for some reason
Just played it, it has notrhing to do with EA and its basicly rFactor 2 reskined a bit
SimTourist
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Is Driver San Francisco the first released game that uses Screen Space Reflections? I think so. Certainly on console cause Crysis 2 got it with the DX11 update but I'm not sure when that dropped.
Look at the engine cover reflected in the back window. And you can also spot other cars and pedestrians reflected in the car. And the actual implementation is more robust than most we've seen in the PS4 generation with not obvious artifacts and breakup. And it also ran at 60 fps on the PS360. You can also see the mission objective marker reflected.
Look at the engine cover reflected in the back window. And you can also spot other cars and pedestrians reflected in the car. And the actual implementation is more robust than most we've seen in the PS4 generation with not obvious artifacts and breakup. And it also ran at 60 fps on the PS360. You can also see the mission objective marker reflected.
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SkyHighTrees
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Forzas Nurburgring is embarassing.
Here I saw a really in depth comparison to GT and real life...
Its just odd. Hope ACC hammers it too. T10 had a massive talent Exodus.
nosoynadie22
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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This is exactly why I want more road tracks or imaginary tracks versus the full on race tracks. I love driving on Trila Mountain mainly because of the setting.
SimTourist
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There's really no comparison in terms of details small and large between GT7 and FM, mainly a product of having 10 times the budget, sales and a stable experienced team instead of contractors. If anything the gap between the games is bigger than it was during ps2 or ps3 generation.
nosoynadie22
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How do you know that Gran Turismo has a much larger budget than Forza motorsport?
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SimTourist
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Because one sells 10 million copies with each installment and the other one doesn't. Because having full time employees in Japan is a lot more expensive than hiring indian outsourcers. It's obvious in every aspect of the game, the menus, the cars, the tracks, the amount of songs in the soundtrack even, Turn10 has been cutting corners more and more with each new entry in order to manage spending.
blue velvet
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Man, I hope they'll finally integrate fully 3D Trees in their next game. It would be extremely disappointing if still has mix of 3D and 2D billboard cutouts. They already have the assets for fully dynamic trees with physics during pre-race but switches back to static when in gameplay. I'm excited what the next GT engine would look like without the PS4 compromising its tech.
BigLee74
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So you don’t know and you’re guessing?
SimTourist
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Well if they cost the same to make then someone is wasting their budget on hookers and cocaine. But yeah it's not publicly available information, but we can look at the end product and see which one looks more expensive to make.
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