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Phil Spencer: announcement this week


"But if you're an Xbox customer," Spencer continued, "the thing I want you to know is this is about delivering great exclusive games for you that ship on platforms where Game Pass exists. And that's our goal, that's why we're doing this, that's the root of this partnership that we're building - and the creative capability we'll be able to bring to market for Xbox customers is going to be the best it's ever been for Xbox after we're done here."

- Phil Spencer, March 2021

Yep don't even really care what Phil says next week I wont believe a word that comes out of his mouth. MS\Xbox will do whatever the market forces them to do.
 

"But if you're an Xbox customer," Spencer continued, "the thing I want you to know is this is about delivering great exclusive games for you that ship on platforms where Game Pass exists. And that's our goal, that's why we're doing this, that's the root of this partnership that we're building - and the creative capability we'll be able to bring to market for Xbox customers is going to be the best it's ever been for Xbox after we're done here."

- Phil Spencer, March 2021
Well, platforms where Game Pass exist could mean anything xD
 

DJ12

Member
There have been a lot of people getting aggravated with me talking so much about stuff like this so think I am not going relay stuff here as much moving forward

That said I kept telling people Xbox wasn't leaving the hardware business and was doubling down with more ways to play next gen but no one picked up on it

I even posted how Phil Spencer liked a Jez article on Xbox needing a handheld but no one picked up on it

To what it will do I honestly don't know

The question is did MS pull the plug on everything I have been saying since Aug?

I don't know that either
It's a shame you feel that way, but understandable.

It's just newbies that don't like what your saying not k owing you are da man and more reliable than any twatterati 'leaker'
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
People will always knee-jerk. You can't let it get to you. You have knowledge and your insights are valuable.

It helps to have some grounding in this whirlwind. But I agree with you in that it's really a question if Microsoft got hit with the whirlwind harder than anyone else right now.

I'm sure there were massive shifts planned, but they didn't expect the leaks. I wonder if there's any credence to this stuff being leaked by those who were laid off? Maybe looking for a bit of revenge on their way out the door.
It's a shame you feel that way, but understandable.

It's just newbies that don't like what your saying not k owing you are da man and more reliable than any twatterati 'leaker'
I do appreciate the kind words but last thing I want to do is truly aggravate people just talking about something we all love in gaming

Well most of us love gaming I am convinced several here don't actually game :)
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
You get rid of all your mirrors?

Season 3 Nbc GIF by The Office


I'm just kidding man
Im Crazy Colin Jost GIF by Saturday Night Live

There is a near 0% chance that no game makes it other platforms. Phil would have debunked that with a tweet.

Oh no, there are 100% games coming to other platforms. What that looks like though...Who the fuck knows
 
two things. There is reality and the perception of reality.

look.

Reality:


perception of reality:



this perception of reality is usually build by PR. The messaging. The fact that you choose to take that "Perception of reality" as a talking point gives you a hint of how bad MS lost control of its own PR/Messaging


because the reality is that these "insiders" are NOT saying MS is withdrawing from the console/gaming business. The only thing they are saying is that some games are going to be released on competing platforms; that is all.



This is interesting because when you take what these "insiders" have leaked and then you extrapolate with reality (MS not doing well in the console space and GP is not growing on console and PC)

The nightmares and/or wet dreams start to kick in. in other words, this perception of reality is based in the real possibility that's has been build over the years. (not from baseless assumptions)


as you said. We all can agree the even MS is not happy with the console performance in the market.

they need to make more money, how are they going to do that if they are not growing in consoles and subscription service?
I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is (with all due respect).

Corporations can't (or at least shouldn't) react to speculation, however rampant, otherwise they will be bullied into commenting on every wackadoo theory until the end of time. You seem to believe your 'perception of reality' is more valuable than mine, which is fine, confidence in your own thoughts is important, but it's equally important to realize your idea of what is going to happen next is based as much in actual reality as mine, because neither of us have the inside track.

We're both assessing to some extent based on publicly available facts though - I believe their public confidence and massive investment suggest they aren't giving up any time soon on their ambition to be the market leader in gaming, you believe because of sales figures they are already defeated in the console "war" (I think that's your position?) and Sony have comprehensively 'won' already.

Time will tell, and for the record, it's okay for either of us to turn out to be right because we're just players holding controllers and life will go on, whichever side "wins".
 

DJ12

Member
I do appreciate the kind words but last thing I want to do is truly aggravate people just talking about something we all love in gaming

Well most of us love gaming I am convinced several here don't actually game :)
I am actually getting tempted by a legion go at the minute, so I hope they do a Windows 'xbox' handheld and not a xbox 'xbox' handheld
 

Nydius

Member
Yep don't even really care what Phil says next week I wont believe a word that comes out of his mouth. MS\Xbox will do whatever the market forces them to do.
Exactly. The Xbox faithful are already spinning this as “well, it’ll only be some games, and that’s fine”. A year ago, though, they were pounding their chests about how if anyone wanted certain games they’d HAVE to buy an Xbox.

Releasing any games multiplatform immediately undercuts the Xbox brand. Even if it’s just HiFi Rush and Sea of Thieves to start with Starfield later. How, then, could anyone reasonably believe the rest would stay exclusive after all the years of Microsoft’s messaging about bringing these exclusives to Xbox?

It starts with a few games, expands to a few others, then the taps get turned wide open and expands to all. There’s no “dipping a toe in” here. That would be worse than not doing it at all because then you have your core fanbase perpetually angry and your competitor fanbase speculating and waiting for confirmation on other ports.
 

Just to clarify - this is a hypothetical from Henderson. There are games coming in the future that are currently day and date releases on other platforms.

Its a nice scenario to think about though. I dont think there is any scenario where they announce an ongoing effort to port elsewhere that doesn't ultimately end in day and date releases on all platforms for all of their future releases. One of those fiscal situations where slippery slope logic works.
 

Montauk

Member
I bought a Series X for £450 in June 2022.

I felt GP wasn’t sustainable long term but I thought that MS were going to have a better generation than the Xbox One gen and that, because of their deep pockets, that they would be committed to Xbox for at least this whole Series era.

I bought the Series X because of the value proposition - I felt with me and my partners financial situation I wouldn’t be able to afford many £60-70 games (granted I usually wait for prices to drop, but still).

Plus I’m an (old) Xbox fan (of course Xbone was terrible and I didn’t have one), I like the Xbox pad shape, it’s powerful etc. I’m a gamer, not a fanboy.

Do I need to worry about my purchase now?

If if had the money, I would either bought BOTH or just gone PS5 but given the insane value of GP (especially with the Gold to GP scam, that I did for 3 years worth) I just felt it was the only way I could get my partner to agree go buying a next gen console.

Now I feel like a fool, even though the Xbox is generally great (please don’t start console wars stuff with me), I love Quick Resume, GP is still crazy value, and so on.

I know they will still carry on supporting the Series consoles and really I don’t need to worry about my purchase in terms of continuing to play games as I have been, but I do have concerns now about if publishers will be less inclined to bring their games to Xbox and it just feels like a slap in the face for me and loads of other Series buyers.

We have invested in this console and this ecosystem for a generation length (5-8 years) and thought was a reasonable move.

This is so frustrating.

I think you can see from my many comments criticising Xbox since I started posting here again that I am nowhere near a fanboy for Xbox, but I’m a gamer and was a fan (not a fanboy, never was) of the Xbox and 360 back in the day so please understand my perspective.

I’ve been so harsh on Xbox precisely because of how badly they’ve messed things up, how well they used to be doing and how annoying I find fanboys of any brand. But neither am i an Xbox hater or a Sony fanboy.

I just wanted a good console with a great value deal for somebody with less money.

What a mess.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
There have been a lot of people getting aggravated with me talking so much about stuff like this so think I am not going relay stuff here as much moving forward

That said I kept telling people Xbox wasn't leaving the hardware business and was doubling down with more ways to play next gen but no one picked up on it

I even posted how Phil Spencer liked a Jez article on Xbox needing a handheld but no one picked up on it

To what it will do I honestly don't know

The question is did MS pull the plug on everything I have been saying since Aug?

I don't know that either
You know one thing I would LOVE for Xbox to do is to just release the Xbox OS so that I can dual boot it on my PC and use that as my Xbox. Have there been any discussions anywhere remotely close along those lines?
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
You know one thing I would LOVE for Xbox to do is to just release the Xbox OS so that I can dual boot it on my PC and use that as my Xbox. Have there been any discussions anywhere remotely close along those lines?
Thats really a good question why they haven't done something like that instead of supporting the shitty PC app
 

Mr.Phoenix

Member
I do appreciate the kind words but last thing I want to do is truly aggravate people just talking about something we all love in gaming

Well most of us love gaming I am convinced several here don't actually game :)
WTF man, I say fuck them. Like really, why should you care what some newbie/thick-headed/ignorant fuckers think with regards to what to say and how they feel about it? I dunno man, my mantra is to NEVER change who I am or take some good away from others because of some dumb fucker. You're letting them win.
Just to clarify - this is a hypothetical from Henderson. There are games coming in the future that are currently day and date releases on other platforms.

Its a nice scenario to think about though. I dont think there is any scenario where they announce an ongoing effort to port elsewhere that doesn't ultimately end in day and date releases on all platforms for all of their future releases. One of those fiscal situations where slippery slope logic works.
Funny enough thats what I expected it to be like. At least at the beginning. Though I expected the exclusive window to last for no more than 30-90 days. Being that the game comes on gamepass day 1. No point keeping it exclusive for longer than 3 months after that point. As you can legitimately say everyone that wants to play it on Xbox/PC already would have.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I bought a Series X for £450 in June 2022.

I felt GP wasn’t sustainable long term but I thought that MS were going to have a better generation than the Xbox One gen and that, because of their deep pockets, that they would be committed to Xbox for at least this whole Series era.

I bought the Series X because of the value proposition - I felt with me and my partners financial situation I wouldn’t be able to afford many £60-70 games (granted I usually wait for prices to drop, but still).

Plus I’m an (old) Xbox fan (of course Xbone was terrible and I didn’t have one), I like the Xbox pad shape, it’s powerful etc. I’m a gamer, not a fanboy.

Do I need to worry about my purchase now?

If if had the money, I would either bought BOTH or just gone PS5 but given the insane value of GP (especially with the Gold to GP scam, that I did for 3 years worth) I just felt it was the only way I could get my partner to agree go buying a next gen console.

Now I feel like a fool, even though the Xbox is generally great (please don’t start console wars stuff with me), I love Quick Resume, GP is still crazy value, and so on.

I know they will still carry on supporting the Series consoles and really I don’t need to worry about my purchase in terms of continuing to play games as I have been, but I do have concerns now about if publishers will be less inclined to bring their games to Xbox and it just feels like a slap in the face for me and loads of other Series buyers.

We have invested in this console and this ecosystem for a generation length (5-8 years) and thought was a reasonable move.

This is so frustrating.

I think you can see from my many comments criticising Xbox since I started posting here again that I am nowhere near a fanboy for Xbox, but I’m a gamer and was a fan (not a fanboy, never was) of the Xbox and 360 back in the day so please understand my perspective.

I’ve been so harsh on Xbox precisely because of how badly they’ve messed things up, how well they used to be doing and how annoying I find fanboys of any brand. But neither am i an Xbox hater or a Sony fanboy.


I just wanted a good console with a great value deal for somebody with less money.

What a mess.
Same here. I would love a competitive Xbox, who worked hard and earned their way to the top. I briefly believed in Xbox when they acquired Bethesda as I thought they were finally making a conscious effort to compete at the beginning of this gen. I had hope that they would take advantage of the IPs they had acquired and made some New Vegas like Fallout games, put some of these smaller studios to remaster these classics.

Here we are nearly 3.5 years later and we have gotten very little from that and the big thing we did get (Starfield) ended up not doing a damn thing.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
WTF man, I say fuck them. Like really, why should you care what some newbie/thick-headed/ignorant fuckers think with regards to what to say and how they feel about it? I dunno man, my mantra is to NEVER change who I am or take some good away from others because of some dumb fucker. You're letting them win.
Oh I know that to be true but I also don't want to possibly risk my account here over this if enough people decide they had enough

When its time for me to leave here I want to go out on my own terms :)
 

Evil Calvin

Afraid of Boobs
Just to clarify - this is a hypothetical from Henderson. There are games coming in the future that are currently day and date releases on other platforms.

Its a nice scenario to think about though. I dont think there is any scenario where they announce an ongoing effort to port elsewhere that doesn't ultimately end in day and date releases on all platforms for all of their future releases. One of those fiscal situations where slippery slope logic works.
The only way this would work for all parties is to put the new games day one on Xbox and release for $70+ on PS5. That way MS gets people to join GP and then the Sony fanboys can enjoy the Xbox games....albeit at a bigger cost.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Thats really a good question why they haven't done something like that instead of supporting the shitty PC app
The one thing I would really HATE to lose is achievements. I wonder how that would work if everything came to an end.

I am probably not representative, but the ONLY reason I use the PC is that I earn achievements on many Xbox/PC games. I have a 150000 gamerscore and I love to keep adding to that. If they merged Xbox achievements with Steam, I would absolutely become a big time diehard.

Some have said that there are a lot of games that sell better than expected due to be easy platinum/easy 1000 gamerscore.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Just to clarify - this is a hypothetical from Henderson. There are games coming in the future that are currently day and date releases on other platforms.

Its a nice scenario to think about though. I dont think there is any scenario where they announce an ongoing effort to port elsewhere that doesn't ultimately end in day and date releases on all platforms for all of their future releases. One of those fiscal situations where slippery slope logic works.
I believe that and to quote myself from a few days ago when answering Topher Topher
Let me first say they could have changed direction in the last few months

But for years that I have talked to key people (Phil Spencer, Mike Ybarra while still at Xbox) the original goal was to put their MP games on every platform day one and had "pipedreams" of possibly putting more games on other platforms sometime in the future and I quote pipedream because thats the very word they used

As of a few months ago they were very deep into looking into their next gen console and I would be shocked if they scrapped those plans to go full third party

Not sure I directly answered your question.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The only way this would work for all parties is to put the new games day one on Xbox and release for $70+ on PS5. That way MS gets people to join GP and then the Sony fanboys can enjoy the Xbox games....albeit at a bigger cost.
Before all of this, I felt Xbox best move would be to have their games exclusive to their platform for a year, Day 1 GP and then release them on other systems. Xbox still heavily incentives people to stay on their system, but provides additional revenue from other platforms. Honestly I would totally back Sony if they did the same with Xbox when they release their games on PC.
 

Digfox

Member
I bought a Series X for £450 in June 2022.

...

I don't think anything changes in the short-term and you'll almost certainly get the remainder of the generation/3-4 more years of use from it. I think the more pertinent question is whether the next Xbox hardware is even worth bothering with. Or will there even be a market for an Xbox 5.

I've sort of stopped spending on the Xbox ecosystem because small things like the GPU price increase, 'day six' major releases and lack of exclusives have dulled my enthusiasm. But mostly due to other platforms which are doing so much better. We have 3 Switches in the house that are in regular use. And last year a PC upgrade plus the Steam Deck has really reignited my interest in PC gaming. The Steam Deck, PC gaming and Nintendo are all more interesting to me than either Sony and Microsoft current platforms. That said I would still trust Sony more and buy a PS6 (I'm not sure I need a PS5 Pro).

Microsoft are really going to have to have one hell of a comeback to make any future Xbox relevant to me.
 

Mortisfacio

Member
I mostly find it amusing how Microsoft has bought big developers, but after their peaks. Bethesda made Skyrim, one of the best selling all time games, but has been on a decline since. Arkane made great games like Dishonored and Prey, but their senior devs that made those games great have since left. Blizzard was once an industry darling, over a decade ago. Jeff Kaplan leaving years ago was a crucial blow as he was the heart and soul of Overwatch. Activision has been on a decline the last few years and their stock valuation was tanking until Microsoft announced a buyout.

Had acquisitions like this been made at their peak, this would have been a lot bigger than it ended up being.
 
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The only way this would work for all parties is to put the new games day one on Xbox and release for $70+ on PS5. That way MS gets people to join GP and then the Sony fanboys can enjoy the Xbox games....albeit at a bigger cost.

Once they put game on Playstation, the Xbox user base will dry up even more

No hardware sales + no software sales-> Xbox dead
 

DJ12

Member
I think the "day one GP" will be a thing of the past soonish but that's just guessing
Yeah the cope that they need to make money from PlayStation so they can keep day one for gamepass is a stretch.

MS aren't in trouble by any means, but I think it's currently life or death for xbox.

If they don't start make money, the plug will be pulled
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Funny enough thats what I expected it to be like. At least at the beginning. Though I expected the exclusive window to last for no more than 30-90 days. Being that the game comes on gamepass day 1. No point keeping it exclusive for longer than 3 months after that point. As you can legitimately say everyone that wants to play it on Xbox/PC already would have.
In Xbox case its a tricky situation. Do they put all their games Day 1 on all systems to maximize revenue or do they put it on Xbox/GP Day 1 and release down the line. Option 1 is easily the best way to maximize revenue, but it really devalues your ecosystem. Option 2 works best for protecting your ecosystem, but you will almost never collect solid revenue from games that are released on another system down the line.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yeah the cope that they need to make money from PlayStation so they can keep day one for gamepass is a stretch.

MS aren't in trouble by any means, but I think it's currently life or death for xbox.

If they don't start make money, the plug will be pulled
Nutella (his nick name) gets blame for letting it last as long as he has. Phil deserves some props for convincing big baddy to spend all those billions. Nutella should have told Phil in like 2017 that its time to start bringing Xbox towards profitability.
 
I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is (with all due respect).
The point is simple and i think you would agree:

Xbox needs to do better.


Corporations can't (or at least shouldn't) react to speculation, however rampant, otherwise they will be bullied into commenting on every wackadoo theory until the end of time.
exactly. money talks and bullshit walks.w

You seem to believe your 'perception of reality' is more valuable than mine, which is fine, confidence in your own thoughts is important, but it's equally important to realize your idea of what is going to happen next is based asonuch in actual reality as mine, because neither of us have the inside track.
the perception of reality you presented, this quote :

I'm struggling to understand is the certainty that they are withdrawing, and that 'it's over' based on nameless... I'm not sure you can even call them leaks tbh.

is not the one is being "sold" by 'insiders' or 'leakers'. THAT perception of reality is being spread by fanboys/Media.

We're both assessing to some extent based on publicly available facts though - I believe their public confidence and massive investment suggest they aren't giving up any time soon on their ambition to be the market leader in gaming,
and i am not saying otherwise. MS gaming division is here to stay.

you believe because of sales figures they are already defeated in the console "war" (I think that's your position?)
nope
and Sony have comprehensively 'won' already.
nope.

Time will tell, and for the record, it's okay for either of us to turn out to be right because we're just players holding controllers and life will go on, whichever side "wins".
well this 'drama' to me is just following the fascinating world of PR/Messaging/ Marketing and bussines strategy.

and just to be honest; Xbox PR-Marketing and business strategy has being a complete shitshow since the second half of the 360.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
There have been a lot of people getting aggravated with me talking so much about stuff like this so think I am not going relay stuff here as much moving forward

That said I kept telling people Xbox wasn't leaving the hardware business and was doubling down with more ways to play next gen but no one picked up on it

I even posted how Phil Spencer liked a Jez article on Xbox needing a handheld but no one picked up on it

To what it will do I honestly don't know

The question is did MS pull the plug on everything I have been saying since Aug?

I don't know that either
I think the handheld is the worst case scenario. As a graphics whore and someone who spent all his time in the legendary spec thread, I think i know a thing or two about the xbox fanbase. They care about tflops. They care about pushing graphics. And in a weird way, i respect that.

If MS handicaps their next gen console with a fucking 4 tflops handheld and Sony comes out with a 40 tflops console a year or two later, these guys would jump off a bridge. I know I would straight up leave gaming altogether.

This is exactly what happened to Nintendo when they released a handheld console hybrid. Even their best $70 AAA games look like PS3 era games. Now ToTK was my goty because of its physics interactions but no one from MS studios is capable of doing anything that innovative. And Zelda is an exception. The switch doesnt get any games that push graphics. forget the next gen stuff like Alan Wake 2, Avatar, Star Wars, even last gen, ubisoft didnt port shit to the best selling console because of it was a weak handheld. Same goes for every AAA game made by EA Dice, EA respawn, Square Enix, Activision, and well almost every other third party dev. Some reluctantly ported 240p-360p versions of witcher 3, hellblade, doom and more recently batman ak, but they look so bad no self respecting fan of those games would play them. 90% of the X1 lineup was not ported to the switch. And if that is what MS is counting on then they will lose their fans who care about this stuff way more than nintendo fans do.

TLDR; releasing a handheld would be the nail in the coffin for most xbox fans who are used to the OG Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One X, and the series S being incredibly powerful hardware.
 

Bernardougf

Member
I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is (with all due respect).

Corporations can't (or at least shouldn't) react to speculation, however rampant, otherwise they will be bullied into commenting on every wackadoo theory until the end of time. You seem to believe your 'perception of reality' is more valuable than mine, which is fine, confidence in your own thoughts is important, but it's equally important to realize your idea of what is going to happen next is based as much in actual reality as mine, because neither of us have the inside track.

We're both assessing to some extent based on publicly available facts though - I believe their public confidence and massive investment suggest they aren't giving up any time soon on their ambition to be the market leader in gaming, you believe because of sales figures they are already defeated in the console "war" (I think that's your position?) and Sony have comprehensively 'won' already.

Time will tell, and for the record, it's okay for either of us to turn out to be right because we're just players holding controllers and life will go on, whichever side "wins".
If the ceos of this corporations in this case this division (xbox) more specifically Phil Spencer is notoriously known for talking too much on twitter and engaging with his comunity every little opportunity he gets.. sure is a very strange time to finally assume the "no comments" corporative motto. But who knows
 
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lefty1117

Gold Member
I had a dreammare last night and in it Phil announced that MS xbox platform was coming to Sony and Sony would be the exclusive console hardware platform for xbox going forward, and Sony would transition its services to the xbox service platform creating the greatest unified gaming monstrosity on Super Earth
 

Zheph

Member
2026 new console and renaming/rebranding gamepass with new tears ... just like sony did with ps plus ... they will do it.. you can bet
it would be smart business wise but you gonna have to deal with an extremely mad fanbase (which is already completely losing it only with rumours of games going to other platforms..) rough times ahead
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
What? They're are going to deal with these rumours head on otherwise there'd be no point to this. How deep they'll go with the information is the bigger question and they'll obviously hold stuff back but these rumours either need to be confirmed or corrected (I don't think it's as straightforward as we're going third party but it's certainly more than just making a few games multiplatform).
Thing is, releasing big titles especially on Playstation can only lead to proper 3rd party publishing down the road.
There would literally be no reason to owning an Xbox over a Playstation for the average consumer.

So all these discussions are redundant, as the outcome will be inevitable.

If this decision is truly made, at best they can ease their hardcore fanbase into acceptance by gradually transitioning.

But if I were running MS, I'd just pull the trigger and not waste any more time and money on a dying platform. No matter how much money I have in my pocket, I'd just go 3rd party as soon as possible.
 
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NickFire

Member
Crazy they are letting all this speculation continue to percolate. Reminding me of a scene near the end of Top Gun.

  • Officer : Both Catapults are broken, sir.
    Stinger : How long will it take?
    Officer : It'll take ten minutes.
    Stinger : Bullshit ten minutes! This thing will be over in two minutes! Get on it!
 

Bernardougf

Member
it would be smart business wise but you gonna have to deal with an extremely mad fanbase (which is already completely losing it only with rumours of games going to other platforms..) rough times ahead
They did it with paying for online.. sony did too.. and Sony did now with ps plus either and upping the price point ... so the anger will come and go... at this point they only have the faithful that wont let go of them anyway
 
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Montauk

Member
Do you launch a new console and say "sorry about that dud please buy our new one" or do you make it seem like you're doing everybody a favour by releasing another console so soon? People will be cheering that failure instead.

Well they did that with the Xbox Series X.

That resulted in lots of Xbox fanboys screeching hysterically about how Xbox had the most powerful console.

Yeah, no shit - it came out later than the PS4. Of course it’s more powerful. It only existed because of how fucking hard the Xbox One flopped and how underpowered it was.

Sigh, it’s all so tiresome. It’s been tiresome since the Xbox One was revealed. Morons!
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
I think the handheld is the worst case scenario. As a graphics whore and someone who spent all his time in the legendary spec thread, I think i know a thing or two about the xbox fanbase. They care about tflops. They care about pushing graphics. And in a weird way, i respect that.

If MS handicaps their next gen console with a fucking 4 tflops handheld and Sony comes out with a 40 tflops console a year or two later, these guys would jump off a bridge. I know I would straight up leave gaming altogether.

This is exactly what happened to Nintendo when they released a handheld console hybrid. Even their best $70 AAA games look like PS3 era games. Now ToTK was my goty because of its physics interactions but no one from MS studios is capable of doing anything that innovative. And Zelda is an exception. The switch doesnt get any games that push graphics. forget the next gen stuff like Alan Wake 2, Avatar, Star Wars, even last gen, ubisoft didnt port shit to the best selling console because of it was a weak handheld. Same goes for every AAA game made by EA Dice, EA respawn, Square Enix, Activision, and well almost every other third party dev. Some reluctantly ported 240p-360p versions of witcher 3, hellblade, doom and more recently batman ak, but they look so bad no self respecting fan of those games would play them. 90% of the X1 lineup was not ported to the switch. And if that is what MS is counting on then they will lose their fans who care about this stuff way more than nintendo fans do.

TLDR; releasing a handheld would be the nail in the coffin for most xbox fans who are used to the OG Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One X, and the series S being incredibly powerful hardware.
There was at one point a Zen 5 true next gen console in the works for those of us who want power as of late last year anyhow
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
There was at one point a Zen 5 true next gen console in the works for those of us who want power as of late last year anyhow
But that 40 tflops console will be held back by the 4 tflops handheld. They are already struggling to get games running on a series s and thats only 1/3rd the power of the series X. a 1/10th in power handheld will need to have games designed around its tflops limitation then scaled up. no way you can scale a game down 10x.
 

Montauk

Member
I was an "Xbox fan" when I started to take issue with their shifts in focus and policies towards the end of the 360 era.

I've also always been completely against the idea of Phil being in charge because of witnessing the destruction he caused to their first party studios when he headed up that area, particularly with the way he dealt with Lionhead.



I have no idea why you're lashing out when you've had discussions with people here surrounding xbox's strategy in general and most of what you've said has aged very poorly:



Discussions surrounding their 2 SKU's, in particular surrounding the impact of the Series S. Discussions about gamepass and it's long term viability. You've been there and people have been trying to tell you the reality of the situation but you never wanted to hear it.

Now you want to lash out and try and pretend you don't care about any of this? Makes no sense.

Yeah, there should never have been a Series S and the stupid, stupid name Series should have been something else.

PS5 - The fifth PlayStation. It’s so simple! Jesus Christ.
 

Mr.Phoenix

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In Xbox case its a tricky situation. Do they put all their games Day 1 on all systems to maximize revenue or do they put it on Xbox/GP Day 1 and release down the line. Option 1 is easily the best way to maximize revenue, but it really devalues your ecosystem. Option 2 works best for protecting your ecosystem, but you will almost never collect solid revenue from games that are released on another system down the line.
Yup... spot on. Option 1 is better but it further devalues their brand. I think they do both. Start with option 2 but transition to option 1.

What we will likely see for starters is some of the already released stuff coming to the PS5. Some of the stuff they are currently working on would likely come to PS5 6 or so months after they are released on gamepass. But this is just a by-product of this decision having been made when those projects are already deep in development. So technically, the PS5 port would be months behind. And then the future stuff will come day and date on all applicable platforms. This would probably be like 2 years from now or so and by then, the outcry on all this would have died down.
 

NickFire

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But that 40 tflops console will be held back by the 4 tflops handheld. They are already struggling to get games running on a series s and thats only 1/3rd the power of the series X. a 1/10th in power handheld will need to have games designed around its tflops limitation then scaled up. no way you can scale a game down 10x.
Maybe they took a big turn and plan a handheld but not new console (yet at least). If it's on par with Series S they could target one basic spec and upscale for Series X / PS5 / PC.
 
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