Sniper McBlaze
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5-6 hours is perfect for a playthrough. Let's hope there are reasons to replay it though.
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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Give War A Chance
Member
I think they'd rather get $60 once, than $0 all-told.
probably.
Sunset and Infamous both went without a hitch and are both each consoles best exclusive IMO
FiveMinuteHero
Member
I'm in a Facebook group in which people from my (small) country buy/sell PS4 games. It is not uncommon for games to be resold 4-5 times.
The game doesn't have MP then or has it? Maybe the MP is deep or something.
-MD-
Member
The Order? It does not have multiplayer.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I'm not seeing anything... Story mode or bust.
It looks like a lot of fun if you have a big TV and a nice surround sound setup.
RyanPierre
Member
I get that some people need to play a game for X number of hours to feel like they got their money's worth, but I only care about getting a good, complete experience. I'd much rather play a 6 hour game with good pacing than a 10 hour game with four hours of boring filler, and I hope that devs don't compromise their games in order to start hitting some arbitrary play time number. People who calculate a game length for dollar value already have the means to play it for less: rent it, buy it and sell it, or wait for a price drop. It's easy to take advantage of those options. Hell, if Share Play functions for the whole game, you could even find someone online who owns the game and play it that way for free.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
6-10 puts it at about how long it took me to finish the first Uncharted.
What. How shitty this is then. No multiple endings either? You can't charge full price for a 5 hour movie (10 would be good though).
I can't see any controversy here. Just some fanboys trying to light their farts on fire.
Give War A Chance
Member
People loved it when it was called "Uncharted: Drake's Fortune."
I also find it odd that Call of Duty is being used as a comparison point.
The thing is, this type of release actually hearkens back to the PS2 days more than anything else. There were plenty of new, full priced releases hitting the system that offered interesting, memorable experiences that were ultimately quite short.
Look at stuff like The Mark of Kri, ICO, Silent Hill 3, Shadow of Memories, Onimusha, The Bouncer (I admit it, I enjoyed this), Beyond Good & Evil, Riddick, God of War, Killer 7, etc. Those types of games typically gave you between 4-8 hours of play on a single play-through. I remember finishing Silent Hill 3 in ~4 hours the first time and I still loved the experience and didn't feel ripped off.
It was only with this last generation that games started including multiplayer and other "value added" options designed to extend longevity. I never play those modes, of course, but obviously many people do.
There were a number of late generation games that hit with extremely long run times such as RE4, MGS3, and Ninja Gaiden but that length was not common.
It seems like a poor value in some ways but it all depends on how much fun you've had. I often return to my favorite games over and over just because they are a joy to play even with a short length.
Now, that's not to say The Order is going to deliver the kind of quality experience that will warrant its price, but I don't think the length alone is enough to dismiss it. It does seem like The Order is going to be filled with too many cutscenes and too little actual gameplay, though, which is disappointing.
The thing is, this type of release actually hearkens back to the PS2 days more than anything else. There were plenty of new, full priced releases hitting the system that offered interesting, memorable experiences that were ultimately quite short.
Look at stuff like The Mark of Kri, ICO, Silent Hill 3, Shadow of Memories, Onimusha, The Bouncer (I admit it, I enjoyed this), Beyond Good & Evil, Riddick, God of War, Killer 7, etc. Those types of games typically gave you between 4-8 hours of play on a single play-through. I remember finishing Silent Hill 3 in ~4 hours the first time and I still loved the experience and didn't feel ripped off.
It was only with this last generation that games started including multiplayer and other "value added" options designed to extend longevity. I never play those modes, of course, but obviously many people do.
There were a number of late generation games that hit with extremely long run times such as RE4, MGS3, and Ninja Gaiden but that length was not common.
It seems like a poor value in some ways but it all depends on how much fun you've had. I often return to my favorite games over and over just because they are a joy to play even with a short length.
Now, that's not to say The Order is going to deliver the kind of quality experience that will warrant its price, but I don't think the length alone is enough to dismiss it. It does seem like The Order is going to be filled with too many cutscenes and too little actual gameplay, though, which is disappointing.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
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I wasn't assuming anything. Obviously I'm not referring to everyone who isn't struck on The Order. More the people who want relentlessly tell others what is of value.
It's subjective. That's all.
No they didn't? Uncharted blew up with U2, not the first game. Don't even know people who ever tried the first one.
Give War A Chance
Member
It sold almost three million copies. Don't be silly.
EDIT: Actually, by now it's probably sold over that amount. That's just the last number I remember hearing/paying attention to.
Scully Scully Scoo
Member
so basically the devs are in denial. the play through is there for everyone to see so to say it is impossible to beat in 5-6 hours is an out right lie.
critically this game is going to flop hard and commercial it will as well. it would send a good message to devs if it does tbh, they have been adamant from the start with this bs 'story first, gameplay last' philosophy so deserve all the shit they get
critically this game is going to flop hard and commercial it will as well. it would send a good message to devs if it does tbh, they have been adamant from the start with this bs 'story first, gameplay last' philosophy so deserve all the shit they get
That's what I plan to do, money is going towards a psn card for Bloodborne anyway.
I wonder if people have no games to trade in towards the order? I haven't paid a full $60 in years
This was one of the worst statements I have ever read. First they claim that the game lengths run that are thrown around are "impossible' despite the clear video evidence in many cases. After denying the rather obviously short game length, they jump on defending their game length by comparing it to other short games. The Call of Duty comparison is hilarious considering that CoD has a very high reply value and bundled with a decent-to-great multiplayer experience. The Order? You cannot even skip the cutscenes, I guess that is one way to prolong your game.
Big mistake releasing this statement now. They should have gone with the typical "No Comment" approach. Now many people who were not aware of the length, are aware.
Regarding the length vs. price debate, length matters. If the game was 20 minutes long with the $60 price tag, a lot of you will not be happy about it and probably will not purchase this game. Length vs. price is a personal call. Some people are willing to part away with their $60 for a 5-6 hours experience, while others think that their $60 is worth more.
Big mistake releasing this statement now. They should have gone with the typical "No Comment" approach. Now many people who were not aware of the length, are aware.
Regarding the length vs. price debate, length matters. If the game was 20 minutes long with the $60 price tag, a lot of you will not be happy about it and probably will not purchase this game. Length vs. price is a personal call. Some people are willing to part away with their $60 for a 5-6 hours experience, while others think that their $60 is worth more.
lol wat. Why should it have multiple endings? We aren't talking about an RPG here..
Shit, I forgot about those. Discussing this hobby just gets more fun by the year, doesn't it?
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
$49.99, $50 games and we were expecting games to become what Fallout 3, Skyrim, and Mass Effect gave us. It was a different gen, but I see your point. It's just technology has promised more than games have. Even with the PS2 devs still had ther limits and we accepted it more. Now it's a $10 price increase with 1080p and 60 FPS.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Made by a friend, not mine.
Whoa... I rather a 8 hour game than a game that drags on for 25 hours.
People from GAF took 8-14 hours, I rather believe them then someone looking for subs on Youtube
Honestly didn't know that, I thought it bombed and was seen as a mediocre Tomb Raider clone with decent graphics. Only played 2 and Golden Abyss.
Really dude?
Nope U1 sold really well and is rated very highly. Maybe you know play things before you comment on them.
I strongly disagree with you. So one guy's opinion is better than 100+ guy's opinions? Plus, generally speaking, looking at metacritic and user reviews, I think it safe to say that Knack was a shallow game. But that's an entirely different discusssion.
I don't think that's fair at all and I disagree with you completely. Not all games need to conform to a single model.
I'm happy to play stuff like Beyond, Heavy Rain, the Telltale games, and other narrative driven experiences. The Order seems to follow that type of mold with a bit more action overall. Why should that not be allowed to exist?
I dislike most multiplayer games and do not play them. I think it's a waste to include those features but I would never suggest that it should be removed from the industry just because it's not for me.
The Order itself may not deliver but the concept is fine.
I still prefer it in many cases as well. I do love the likes of Mass Effect but I think there are FAR too many games that attempt large, open worlds (which Mass Effect does not). I'm genuinely sick of games that drop you in a large map with a bunch of way points. I'm trying right now to have fun with Far Cry 4, which I can recognize as a great game, but I'm just burned out on that style of game now. :\
geordiemp
Member
U2 had a great survival mode coop as well, played that to death, although funnily I liked the story in U1 (Mr Raja)....
It seems that the first effort by Ready at Dawn and many needs a sequel to add other modes....
It looks as though this type of game would make for a great wave survival mode, and it would mean those second hand copies being less traded.
He should have just stayed quiet. All this talk about hours. It's irrelevant. They said the most important thing was delivering a great cinematic story, and that's okay, a short story can be just as sweet. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is that I don't think they succeed in their main focus: The Order has a straight up unfinished story, most of its main characters and important plot points are
, the main villain is a
, leaving us with a six hour linear third-person shooter with low replay value (apart from collectibles). Why all this talk about story coming first, when it seems like it came last?
The problem is that I don't think they succeed in their main focus: The Order has a straight up unfinished story, most of its main characters and important plot points are
dropped three quarters into the game never to return
caricature, and the ending is too abrupt
GHG
Gold Member
The things I read in these threads...
In the last one someone said Gears of War was mediocre or something as well.
ghostwritingduck
Member
I find myself often giving up on longer games partway through, as do most people as seen by achievement/trophy tracking. I plan on buying this and trading it in when I'm done. If it's really that short, I should be able to get about 2/3's of my money back on a trade.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Hyperbole and anecdotal evidences emerging!
Stereogatari
Banned
Why is this even an issue. I always assumed it would be like Uncharted kind of length which is what these really fast gamespans sound like anyway. 5-6 hours if you storm through it is no surprise. Average playtime will probably be double that.
so what you are saying is that his proof, the playhtrough of the game, which he uploaded is a lie?
-MD-
Member
So you'd rather trust someone's words on a forum with no evidence at all over a video you can watch with your own eyes from start to finish?
Is this what you're saying?
This was in response to people saying you could beat the game in 2-3 hours. That really is impossible.
I would rather take GAF's word for it then a youtuber that is basically speed running the thing. I like to stop and check out areas and gather collectables. Since they usually add to the story. For me the game is going to be closer to 8 then 5:45.
thekiddfran
Member
Journey takes 2 hours to beat and it is one of the greatest games of all time. I would have easily spent 60 dollars for that experience.
Length is meaningless as long as the experience is worth the value
Length is meaningless as long as the experience is worth the value
So you're saying fanboys don't exist?
Interfectum
Member
What's the "message" you want sent? That everyone needs to make Ubisoft style games filled to the brim with bloat? Why are you so threatened by The Order and, for that matter, why are you so angry?
I see, yes 3 hours doesn't seem possible (outside of speed-runs)
DryvBy
Member
Or you could just wait for the physical release and buy the movie for $20+. Then all that other crap is obsolete.
How much do you think The Order will sell for it to be a commercial flop?
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