mocolostrocolos
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"The game's length is beyond 6 hours"
"But there is a youtube proof that..."
"Distorsion time field".
"But there is a youtube proof that..."
"Distorsion time field".
This summarize the view of many posters..The issue is that not many people want to pay $60 for a 5-10 hour game, especially one extremely cutscene heavy. If you do, then go for it, but I would much rather get at least 20 hours of gameplay if I drop sixty bucks.
It's an in-house engine too, developed from the ground up.
I watched 6 chapters of that YouTube playthrough last night which ran to about 90 minutes. The amount of cut scenes in those 6 chapters was insane, there was maybe 25/30 mins of gameplay and the guy playing was not rushing (he certainly died a few times during the QTE stealth kills)
I want to play the game as I love the aesthetic and its steam punk vibe, but I'm not sure I want to pay £50 for a game in which most of the time I wont actually be doing anything.
Im doing this. Trading evolve for the order.Fuck it. Just play through it the weekend and trade it in on the Monday. You'll get at least half your money back which can go towards Bloodbornethat's what I'll probably end up doing anyway. Unless the games story and atmosphere floors me that much then I'll keep it just as a sort of memento to play every once in a blue moon.
Yea people keep acting like the 5.5 hour play through was some kind of speed run. It was normal everyday type play and we can confirm that by actually watching the video. That's why it keeps getting quoted.I watched 6 chapters of that YouTube playthrough last night which ran to about 90 minutes. The amount of cut scenes in those 6 chapters was insane, there was maybe 25/30 mins of gameplay and the guy playing was not rushing (he certainly died a few times during the QTE stealth kills)
Wow someone spent 5+ hours on youtube watching an entire playthrough from start to end? I hope he didn't do it just to prove the point.
I know what you mean. It happens that often times people refuse to look at the other side of an argument, and are usually rather unreasonable in their stance, especially when they're on the "negative" side of things. While I reserve my right to an absolute judgement until I get my hands on it personally, I'll say that I've often been disappointed by very short games. If I can pop in the game and beat it in an afternoon, that's not okay at a $60 price point. Some of these Metroid, MGS, and RE comparisons are kind of crazy to me, because I spent well over a day playing those games.
But I think a lot of it comes back to the whole "cinematic experience" business, of wanting to make a movie rather than a game. I personally feel that if that's the way a developer chooses to make their game, that's fine, but expectations should be tempered and set from the very beginning. There should be no two ways about it. If you know that's the type of game you're making, you should do your part to tell people about it.
Anyway, it's a rather difficult discussion to have in the first place. Everyone has their own idea of what they want from a game and what they expect for their money. Ultimately, as you said before, people will vote with their wallets. I'll be sad if that vote is skewed due to some people being "tricked", but hopefully the reviews will come out soon enough and people will know what they're getting into before they make the decisions.
Im doing this. Trading evolve for the order.
At EB games in Australia, you can return the game within 7 days of purchase and get all your money back!
The order will be traded for a battlefield preorder the next day lol.
If you don't understand the MW comparison then your reading comprehension is terrible.
Well of course we don't know, it hasn't been released
Apparently it wasn't obvious to you because you said "where is the response?" Even though there is one and it's bolded right at the top for you.
For the rest of us, that 5.5 hour video looks a lot closer to how we play games.
It´s a horrible comparison because the main point of MW was the multiplayer. $60 for a 5 hour game with no MP is ludicrous, and greedy.
I think you are genius if you can beat Super Metroid in 5 hours in the first try.
lern2speedrunNo way was Super Metroid 5 hours long.
Games are an interesting medium in that the length is a major selling point. No one really cares if a movie is 90-150 minutes. People aren't going to complain that a book is 300 pages opposed to 700. However, movies and books aren't $60. People don't want to pay that amount for something they can beat in a day or two. It is just an intrinsic aspect people consider when buying video games. I mean, Portal is a great game that can be beaten in two to three hours. But would you pay $40 for Portal? I think most people would not. Maybe The Order is an excellent game and will be lauded years from now as a classic title, but at this current point in time when it is $60, it's understandable that people would be less than anxious to buy it if they aren't going to get enough hours after it. Think about it, if movies are two hours, and let's say it's ten bucks a ticket, you can watch 2.5 movies for $25 in the amount of time it takes to beat The Order.But why would you rather have 20 hours just 'because'? If Super Metroid is one of the best games ever and is 5 hours long, it is still one of the best games ever. Why artificially limit yourself based on length?
See this I can understand, I just don't understand watching it on YouTubeIm doing this. Trading evolve for the order.
At EB games in Australia, you can return the game within 7 days of purchase and get all your money back!
The order will be traded for a battlefield preorder the next day lol.
This a mess.
The engine they created probably took the most time
My guess is, some people want this game to fail, because it's one of these "cinematic" games. And... you know... these "cinematic" games are kiling all the other ordinary games.
So "cinematic" games are teh evil.
All this hate that some of these "cinematic" games are gettin' ... it's hilarious.
You could think one of these games killed Super Mario.
Yea people keep acting like the 5.5 hour play through was some kind of speed run. It was normal everyday type play and we can confirm that by actually watching the video. That's why it keeps getting quoted.
Every time I've heard someone mention 10+ hours it is followed by an admission that they were searching every corner of every room in search of collectibles. If that's how you expect to play then great. I expect you'll get 10+. For the rest of us, that 5.5 hour video looks a lot closer to how we play games.
There is a response, but no answer to the issue. And I will stop here, as I see you are going after all the opinions that are not fitting yours in this thread.
For me, a singleplayer only game that is <10 hours is not worth full price for me.
Wasn't Ryse's campaign 1.5 - 2 hours long?So it's the PS4 version of Ryse?
Exactly! I'm a single-player gamer. Love the stories, hate multiplayer.I know it's been said before, but I see just as much value in a (short) 5-10hr game, as I do in a long 40+hr game that has a 5-10hr story and 30+ hours of open world padding.
This is a straight up lie. Quality of experience aside, I just watched the thing beginning to end in 5 and a half hours, dude playing died plenty and spent his time too.
Alien Isolation- It's too long. They should of made it shorter.
The Order- It's too short. Not worth $60.
Can't win.
Fair enough. I'm sure that The Order can be finished in a decent afternoon + evening. But like with a good piece of steak, I'dd rather take my time enjoying it instead of trying to clean my plate as fast as possible. The steak might have been expensive, and you could've gotten a heap of grounded meat as well for the same price, but man, nothing beats a nice piece of steak.
It does seem a bit odd to me that people are saying they'll get more hours due to collectibles. As if searching the floor for shiny objects is a valuable gameplay experience. Resident Evil 4 came out over a decade ago. Ever since then, 5 and a bit hours became an unacceptable length for single player only action games.
I would have cancelled my preorder already if I didn't fear best buys incompetence would end up cancelling my bloodborne preorder in the process.
if reviews are good ill look into getting the game when its in bargain bins or on ps+
So it's the PS4 version of Ryse?
I know it's been said before, but I see just as much value in a (short) 5-10hr game, as I do in a long 40+hr game that has a 5-10hr story and 30+ hours of open world padding.
I'm disappointed with you, Arjen.
You made 2 great goals two days ago and now this ;(
Wasn't Ryse's campaign 1.5 - 2 hours long?
Exactly! I'm a single-player gamer. Love the stories, hate multiplayer.
The Order: 1886, TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, etc. ... I LOVE THESE GAMES!
Even the games I really liked this gen, I have found myself wondering "when is this game going to finish? It seems a bit long.". I include Sunset Overdrive in this and GTA V, which was one of the best games I've ever played.
Depends what those shiny objects are, if they add to the lore and story than of course that's a valuable gameplay experience. I believe the game has newspaper clippings and audio logs to listen to. The audio logs in the Batman games definitely had value, hoping it's the same here.
Ryse atleast has multiplayer mode.So it's the PS4 version of Ryse?
I know it's been said before, but I see just as much value in a (short) 5-10hr game, as I do in a long 40+hr game that has a 5-10hr story and 30+ hours of open world padding.
This pretty much sums up this game in a nutshell. From what I've seen it looks like a well polished, atmospheric game that you just want to savour and enjoy over a weekend. And I'm cool with that. People who are worried about the length, just trade it in when you're done. Or just get it when it's in the bargain bin in a few months. I don't see the problem here. You don't need to pick it up day 1. And if you have gone to the trouble of watching it on youtube why are you still complaining on here about it?! There is no point for you to play it now lol.
Fuck it. Just play through it the weekend and trade it in on the Monday. You'll get at least half your money back which can go towards Bloodbornethat's what I'll probably end up doing anyway. Unless the games story and atmosphere floors me that much then I'll keep it just as a sort of memento to play every once in a blue moon.
Ryse atleast has multiplayer mode.
There is no trend I hate in gaming at the moment more than this poisonous belief that value comes from the play time.
I guess Ready At Dawn should have made some fetch quests where you go from one end of the level to the other on every level. 20hours gameplay. Day 1. /smh
Ryse atleast has multiplayer mode.
The original god of war was only 6 hours.....and was one of the best $60 i ever spent.
Edit: nvm they were $50 back then
I don't understand. First, people complain about backlogs all the time and that they have no time for it, now they complain about the short length of games.
Ico
Vanquish
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Metal Gear Solid
All full price. All "short". All great.
I agree with you, and from what I have seen they have been pretty upfront about what kind of game they were making, by saying that the story will drive the gameplay and that it would be a cinematic experience. Of course all that stuff doesn't make it into the marketing of the game and the general public probably doesn't exactly know what to expect.