Bitmap Frogs
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I don’t think he’s a Russian troll, he’s been posting for awhile just sparingly so.
Probably he just doesn’t follow the situation as close as we do.
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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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I don’t think he’s a Russian troll, he’s been posting for awhile just sparingly so.
Probably he just doesn’t follow the situation as close as we do.
Wildebeest
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It really is annoying dealing with instant experts so far into this horror show. As for how all of this will end, war can be very chaotic. Nothing is guaranteed. Russians should just go home right now to help denazify Ukraine. It really is that simple.
Tams
Member
The guy who made that video pulled and then chose to edit in a dumb 'I don't know/confused' pose. It's the very definition of clickbait.
And the video was just as bad as the thumbnail suggested it would be.
Oh, and it's not closed minded to not fall for idiocy or propaganda.
Nikodemos
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Worth remembering that, in the case of many Westerners, their ability to detect and eliminate Russian propaganda is sorely lacking. This is, in no small part, due to how good the Russians are at it. They've been doing it for over 100 years, ever since Feliks Dzerjinski set up a special department for "agitationist action" at Cheka.
And, more recently, "thanks" to the efforts of Vladislav Surkov and his successors, facts are no longer automatically true, and lies are no longer automatically false.
Yes, fact is, Ukrainian forces have a large number of ultra-right-wingers. That is irrelevant. So do a lot of other European armies. So does the Russian army and, in that case, they're in its upper/high command structure. It's not "Ukronazis" who are raping and murdering innocents. It's not 'Ukronazis" who are an integral part of the armed forces apparatus (see that Lurch-looking walking Russophobic caricature expy posted above).
The Ghost of Kiyv is a lie. That is irrelevant. He is a symbolic representation of all Ukrainian Air Force personnel who keep fighting against their numerically superior enemy.
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MisterFalcon
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This guy is twisting the truth pretty hard. Like "77% of the country voted to keep the USSR together" when in fact the referendum was:
That's not keeping it together but a new thing, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States
The rest is just the usual crap of not recognizing Ukraine as anything of substance, just a pawn for Russia and America, the only two countries in the world.
sobaka770
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Yeah I'm totally a Russian shill, my bad - Ukrainian army is totally kicking ass and is ready to retake all the invaded lands and Crimea having no functional navy or air force. I guess Zelenskiy keeps saying that so it must be absolutely true and not just to keep up the morale. I understand saying this to keep up the morale, I don't understand taking it for any reasonable turn of events. CNN and American intelligence are the best and only valid sources or opinions on this or Institute of War...
Ukrainans don't get killed on the frontline in Severodonyetsk, they strategically retreat using "defense in depth" while Russians never do the same and regroup for more effectiveness - they just get pushed back hard in counteroffensive.
Azovstal defenders got the order to stop strategically resisting in Mariupol and didn't just all surrender unconditionally ready for a sham trial.
Ukraine morale is so good didn't literally yesterday almost passed a law allowing officers to shoot their own soldiers in the back to kill (was thankfully removed after massive outcry).
Thankfully I do not need to source my stuff on American and British intelligence (unbiased sources they for sure are) or Kyiv independent alone. Between them (we're going to get back Crimea from our nuclear-capable neighbor who considers it their territory!) and Russian state propaganda (we're going to denazify the Jewish Zelenskiy) there might be a shred of reality as nobody will give out truth during a war.
Russian-appointed "governor" just said Zaporizhie will follow Kherson to integrate. Even if you think that's bullshit and will never happen - think how people are not allowed to say things like that on the Russian news if plans are not in motion.
I'm ready to eat crow on all of that. Although I'd much rather brotherly nations stop killing each other as I have family in both and the Ukrainian part is scattered all over while the remainder in Russia are fucked by an ever-more-oppressive regime. So maybe I'm wrong and read shit but the whole thing just makes me kind of numb at this point.
Tams
Member
Here's the thing though, as I already said, do you really think Russia will stop if they get to keep any significant amount of territory?
Almost certainly not. They'll be back and ready to wipe Ukraine off the map.
I'm under no illusions that Ukraine are doing fantastically. They are vastly outnumbered and outarmed. There's simply no debate to be had there. But honestly, they have no choice but to fight to the end if they want there to be an independent Ukraine at the end of this.
Nikodemos
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Yes, they were ordered to stand down as part of a negotiated swap. Yes, they were low on ammo and supplies. Yes, they had a humongous amount of grievously wounded. No, they didn't just give up.
Unfortunately, trusting Russians to uphold a deal is an incredibly bad idea, as shown time and time again.
That genuinely sounds like some "Trust me brat*" Russian Telegram agitprop bullshit. Claim that the enemy intended to do some amazingly retarded idea, then say they stopped at the last minute because reason X. Easy to peddle, since you don't have to actually present evidence (it's all """second-hand rumors"""). I'd call it "snowmanning".
OBTW, avoid Telegram like the plague.
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sobaka770
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My personal opinion is what I stated in my original post yesterday.
Putin will stop either - once Donbass is taken and resistance elsewhere becomes too strong for current Western Russian army to take. That's the most "win" scenario for the West that can be painted as failure for Putin. I would forget counteroffensives or even taking back Kherson - it's not happening. In fact I would consider any Russian major city gains as permanent. Maritime and air superiority virtually ensures this even if artillery gets supplied to Ukraine. Moreover any "integration" of the region with Russia means that Russia will consider it their land and will retaliate indiscriminately.
But let's be clear - while Russia is fucked either way, Ukraine even in this scenario is still thoroughly fucked even more. Major mining region is gone, last access to sea under blockade - the state will be very poor and on life support from the West. With all the money they will owe to USA and Europe - cause those aren't free weapons they are getting - we're talking of effectively a country sold out.
The next scenario which I'm inclined to think personally is what Putin ideally wants after failure of installing a friendly puppet regime - is to take South and East of Dnepr with or without Kyiv. That's very hard and may take years but not because Russia is somehow inept - it's because taking fortified major cities is very very tough (unless your goal is complete annihilation) and will take a long time. After all in Syria Aleppo stood for months and even USA couldn't take strongholds in Afghanistan easily even with surges. If there is no agreement after the current phase is over (depending on the outcome of Donbass frontline) - it will be a grinding slow chokehold on Kharkiv and Odessa, probably by Mariupol scenario with sieges and just cutting off and waiting out. I totally see how Zaporizhie announcement earlier today is heralding just that - region announced to merge with Russia, requires "liberation" because not fully under Russian control - after Donbass Russian army will shift to denazify Zaporizhie city.
Why I think that's the extent of it? Because right now it's feasible from a military standpoint still and it makes common sense from Putin's perspective. Those are territories that have most of valuable resources (mines, gas, grain), most of the Russian-speaking and - most-importantly - Russian-accepting population. They were given to Ukraine not too long ago and do not have a full-formed separate identity yet unlike the Western parts. Moreover without them, security of Moscow is not yet 100% guaranteed.
After that - there is no point in going further. Dnepr river is a good security threshold for Moscow. Anything in Western Ukraine is very anti-Russian and they were very much anti-Eastern Ukraine either. Why bother? It makes no sense to wage war there or establish any form of control. Anything properly NATO like Poland or Baltic states? Laughable, it's WW3 then and Putin is not mad.
I just want to highlight that the first part of your post is same agitprop bullshit as you're accusing me of in second part.
I mean how do you know they were ordered to stand down? Did Zelinskiy say that and that is automatically true?
If you're low on ammo and have dozens of wounded - what position are you in to make any deal, reasonably?
How is it better sourced than the "Telegram agitprop" from Ukrainian-side informers at Rada? Then let's agree not post any unverified BS.
FunkMiller
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Human psychology 101. What you are is what you accuse others of being.
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The rise of autocrats in this day and age, and those that see them as examples to follow, is incredibly disturbing. Hopefully Putin becomes an example of what NOT to do, but sadly I think no lessons will be learned
Just to give you some perspective on the war, the following is a map of the front lines since the war began:
Yellow being Ukraine and Light Blue being Ukraine in Luhansk and Donetsk. Russia is moving in the complete opposite direction to the goals you outlined previously (Odesa, Kharkiv) and the entirety of the Russian Armed Forces since phase 2 began have been making very minor gains on the front.
A Russian force desperate for soldiers that it is conscripting anyone they can in Donbas, paying massive (in Russian terms) signing fees for new contract soldiers, eliminating the maximum age to enlist, and sending retirees into battle. It is a Russian force that can't seem to find enough AK rifles to hand soldiers it is handing out Mosins from WW2 and now looks to be pushing retired T-62s into battle.
FunkMiller
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Anybody who seriously thinks Russia will be able to hold on to any land they’ve captured in Ukraine either hasn’t been paying attention, or is a troll. That is not how this ends.
funkygunther
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Russian parliament scraps age limit for army recruits
Russia's parliament approved a law on Wednesday in double-quick time removing the upper age limit for contractual service in the military, amid heavy casualties in Ukraine.
www.reuters.com
going so well they're getting closer to conscription each day
What a guy , Putin
maybe he can put in those 65 + generation, no need for pension.
NoLootBoxDev
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Fuck Putin!!!
Fuck Putin!!!
NoLootBoxDev
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Didn't Putler just tell a few days ago that the sanctions did nothing???
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NoLootBoxDev
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Belarusian propagandist threatens Poland with a nuclear bomb. "You will cry and moan like in 1939".
polanddaily24.com/4954-p...
NoLootBoxDev
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Putler go to the light, I know it may feel like burning, but please go there:
He awaits you!!!
He awaits you!!!
Forsete
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Ukrainian refugee women who chose to come to Sweden should probably re-think that decision.
sverigesradio-se.translate.goog
Flyktingkvinnor fick klädkod – nu kopplas tjejjouren in - P4 Blekinge
De ukrainska flyktingkvinnorna på asylboendet Galaxen i Olofström har fått tillsägelse om att de inte får klä sig hur som helst eftersom det kan provocera ...
sverigesradio-se.translate.goog
FunkMiller
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Ukrainian refugee women who chose to come to Sweden should probably re-think that decision.
Flyktingkvinnor fick klädkod – nu kopplas tjejjouren in - P4 Blekinge
De ukrainska flyktingkvinnorna på asylboendet Galaxen i Olofström har fått tillsägelse om att de inte får klä sig hur som helst eftersom det kan provocera ...
…alternatively, any man who acts inappropriately towards a woman, whatever her dress, gets kicked out of the fucking country straight away. Jesus H Christ.
Forsete
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Agreed 100%, but it will never happen here.
For some reason they are impossible to deport once they are here.
Sorry of the OT, but this news made me rage.
WhatDidHeSay?
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Putin is an absolute sack of cum.
His own advisors are telling him the so called hyper ballistic 'Missiles' don't work. Russia is famous for Chernobyl - what a joke, well done for ruining the earth mate! And what an acclaim! Well done team!
Send your missiles this way, Vlad - you're absolutely useless - you have *nothing" - I'll give it two weeks till your overthrown puffed-up-fat-faced paedo image becomes standard knowledge) because the rumours are true
) - come on son, send the world ending missiles this way - you are a failure, a broken vase, you will be noted through history as the man who broke Russia MORE than it was.
You utter clown. At least you've achieved "something" I'm up for a ruck, send it this way... Once you've handled the paperwork of lies on Chernobyl - pop it across - you joke!
Russia and Putin are a sack of shit and lies compiled. An absolute joke.
Let me know once you have your story straight and good luck with your over-throwing of a neighbouring country without grounds to do so, you nasty bunch of animals.
Love you
P s - looking forward to your replies on lies. You can't launch a missile ot any magnitude of power and effect you lying nonce. Lol
His own advisors are telling him the so called hyper ballistic 'Missiles' don't work. Russia is famous for Chernobyl - what a joke, well done for ruining the earth mate! And what an acclaim! Well done team!
Send your missiles this way, Vlad - you're absolutely useless - you have *nothing" - I'll give it two weeks till your overthrown puffed-up-fat-faced paedo image becomes standard knowledge) because the rumours are true
) - come on son, send the world ending missiles this way - you are a failure, a broken vase, you will be noted through history as the man who broke Russia MORE than it was.You utter clown. At least you've achieved "something" I'm up for a ruck, send it this way... Once you've handled the paperwork of lies on Chernobyl - pop it across - you joke!
Russia and Putin are a sack of shit and lies compiled. An absolute joke.
Let me know once you have your story straight and good luck with your over-throwing of a neighbouring country without grounds to do so, you nasty bunch of animals.
Love you
P s - looking forward to your replies on lies. You can't launch a missile ot any magnitude of power and effect you lying nonce. Lol
AJUMP23
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I wonder if Ukraine could get back Crimea? I doubt it, but it would be a good outcome.
What a disappointment. The constant stream of half measures are not going to help Ukraine win the war. Russia had no problem giving North Korea jets to use against U.S and UN forces (they even had their own Russian pilots piloting them) during the Korean War, and essentially did the same for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. Yet the west is too scared to pull from that same playbook.
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NoLootBoxDev
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Fuck Putler
NoLootBoxDev
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Chechen leader Kadirov: "After Ukraine we will show to Poland, in 6 seconds, what you worth"
youtube.com/shorts...
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's outrageous. The onus of responsibility is on the men to not act like fucking predators. Victim blaming at its worst.
sobaka770
Banned
Anecdotally I just went to the supermarket yesterday and ran into BOOBS. Like seriously this lady was talking to her son (or maybe little brother) in a top that covered almost nothing of her pretty large breasts with some push-up action going on.
Obviously in Russian. No one in Switzerland would dare to be so aggressively dressed for a little shopping.
They seemed to be needing help translating but I just had to really forcefully avert my gaze and move ahead (started for 3 seconds probably still).
Men shouldn't act as predators but we gotta draw a line. You can't just put all the onus on masculinity and allow women wear whatever while men repress natural testosterone and take cold showers just not to stare. Provocative clothing is a thing. Or do you think that woman put such display without knowing what it looks like?
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funkygunther
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I see your trolling has moved to writing paragraphs about sexy women instead of how the lost the war is
sobaka770
Banned
One of our posts will sure age like fine milk.
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FunkMiller
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Fucking hell. Get help, and stay the fuck away from women.
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Azurro
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Oh, look at that, the tons of Islamist "refugees" they took in are dangerous and creating problems? Who could have known? Imbeciles.
FunkMiller
Banned
The one thing you’d hope this war would tell us in a wider context is that you should accept people for who they are, not who you want them to be. Men from Islamic countries have an appalling attitude towards women, due to the religion they adhere to. It does no one any good to ignore that. Those women don’t deserve it.
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Whitecrow
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We have people who think the earth is flat.
I wouldnt have that much faith in all women being actually conscious about the implications of their clothing in relation to men.
Being in a modern society is all some girls need to forget about biology.
Anyways, this a debate for another thread.
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Fuck Putin!!!
Fuck Putin!!!
Imagine being born after the year 2000 and getting handed the keys to a tank as old as The Beatles and told to go conquer a country that’s been slaughtering the latest and greatest your country has to offer…
Yaroslav Fadeev
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We were never brotherly nations and never will be!
Spaceman292
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What the fuck is wrong with you bro
Azurro
Banned
Yes brother Mohammed, how dare these western women tempt us with sexy clothing! They should be covered head to toe, don't they know Allah says it's haram!? Western whores.
FunkMiller
Banned
I mean, I know this is about the Ukraine war, so forgive the horrendous thread hijack, but it should go without saying:
A WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO WEAR WHATEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT MEN WILL THINK OR DO.
If you think anything different, congrats... you're either a religious lunatic, a potential rapist, or both.
Fuck a duck.
It's 2022, lads.
A WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO WEAR WHATEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT MEN WILL THINK OR DO.
If you think anything different, congrats... you're either a religious lunatic, a potential rapist, or both.
Fuck a duck.
It's 2022, lads.
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RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Jesus wept, humans are dumb as fuck, the world was a better place when i didn't know complete morons like the poster above existed AND in such fucking numbers... DAMN YOU INTERNET!!! anyways stop derailing the thread you muppet
Maiden Voyage
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If the duck didn’t want it, why does it waddle so?
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