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[sobaka770]

This is literaly you.

What does that even mean? I dare you to find any opinion on here that is not aligned with Western-based media source.

 

[Amiga]

Key figures within the EU, past and present, have been striving for a United States of Europe for years.

Guy Verhofstadt is one person who has been actively campaigning for a USE for years. He even wrote a book on it in 2005 called United States of Europe, which interestingly won the first European book prize that was held in the European parliament in Brussels. Think of that what you will.

Another individual is German politician Martin Schulz, who once said that he wants to see a new constitution for a USE, but any member state that is against this should be kicked out of the bloc.

That's just two individuals of many who've been calling for the EU to morph into a new unified state. You then have political groups in Europe who's main goal is to form a USE. These include the Union of European Federalists and Volt Europa. And, I know they come across as crazy, but the FBPE cult on Twitter are mostly all for uniting Europe into one state.

I agree that at this moment in time, a majority of the public wouldn't agree to giving up their national identity to be part of a unified European state. However, the plan has been in motion for some time and it's happening at such a slow pace that most people aren't even aware it's happening.

Look at the current push to end veto rights, which was voted in favour by a majority of MEPs. If this was out to the public of each member state in the form of a referendum, do you think the people would agree to have their nations veto removed?

What are the core countries for this movement? This is why Brexit happened, and can't imagine the French willing to play second fiddle. My guess would be Germany and the few countries around it.

 

[MisterFalcon]

Look at the current push to end veto rights, which was voted in favour by a majority of MEPs. If this was out to the public of each member state in the form of a referendum, do you think the people would agree to have their nations veto removed?

With an outright enemy combatant in the EU in Hungary the need to eliminate the veto is quite clear. I was against a European state but with the prospect of having the Third Reich with nuclear weapons on the border for the forseeable future it's become the lesser of two evils.

 

[Ironbunny]

What does that even mean? I dare you to find any opinion on here that is not aligned with Western-based media source.

You cant handle our contrarian opinions as they are not aligned with your ruZZian media sources.

 

[RJMacready73]

What does that even mean? I dare you to find any opinion on here that is not aligned with Western-based media source.

At least western based media is free so you can choose to follow sources that are actually fact checked and are held accountable anything Russian is outright lies and propaganda and absolutely cannot be trusted, hell anyone actually following what's spurted on RT/Fox etc needs their head checked for being a gullible twat

 

[Kenpachii]

Key figures within the EU, past and present, have been striving for a United States of Europe for years.

Guy Verhofstadt is one person who has been actively campaigning for a USE for years. He even wrote a book on it in 2005 called United States of Europe, which interestingly won the first European book prize that was held in the European parliament in Brussels. Think of that what you will.

Another individual is German politician Martin Schulz, who once said that he wants to see a new constitution for a USE, but any member state that is against this should be kicked out of the bloc.

That's just two individuals of many who've been calling for the EU to morph into a new unified state. You then have political groups in Europe who's main goal is to form a USE. These include the Union of European Federalists and Volt Europa. And, I know they come across as crazy, but the FBPE cult on Twitter are mostly all for uniting Europe into one state.

I agree that at this moment in time, a majority of the public wouldn't agree to giving up their national identity to be part of a unified European state. However, the plan has been in motion for some time and it's happening at such a slow pace that most people aren't even aware it's happening.

Look at the current push to end veto rights, which was voted in favour by a majority of MEPs. If this was out to the public of each member state in the form of a referendum, do you think the people would agree to have their nations veto removed?

Mate nobody cares about the EU, nobody knows its political systems, nobody votes for that shit to start with and nobody knows the president. They also have absolute jack shit power when it comes to decision making without the country's agreeing. The president of the EU can tell tommorow he wants all the gas from the south, nobody will apply. U saw this with corona, u see this with everything.

If the EU doesn't net benefit the country's the country's bail or revolt. EU is incredible rocky to start with already and the only leader that people see in the EU = germany. If EU demands that political systems in country's get dissolved for there own EU solution, u will basically have the end of the EU. This is never going to happen and the EU will be rebooted by another the next day with the old rules again.

And about the future, yea, US will also dissolve and get invaded by china eventually, china will take over the entire asian world map and africa will be a juggernaut invading europe. All shit that will happen in the future or maybe not. U never know. EU isn't US and u won't want the EU becoming the US for the simple reason, ww3 will be around the corner faster then light. they will war whatever shit hole they can exploit again. Nothing changed. The same reason why EU is basically a pet project of germany in order to take over europe, everybody knows this and they get shit on hard the moment they try to mangle into country's affairs and that will stay. Nobody trusts germany, anybody that does is a complete idiot and needs some history lessons.

So whatever a german and his buddy out of 1000's of people that fill there pockets in brussel think and what shitty award they made up, nobody knows, nobody cares. Hell there are more neonazi's in brussel probably at this point.

The problem however is, its hard to realize this, also the ukraine situation and german situations towards people that don't live in europe, specially the US because they can only think in there own "realm" of reality which doesn't apply towards the EU.

I will tell you this again, EU is a market trade solution and nothing more. It's to protect markets, create easier trade etc and that's about it. Whatever happens in the future is speculation and basically not worth anybody's time.

 

[Tams]

Key figures within the EU, past and present, have been striving for a United States of Europe for years.

Guy Verhofstadt is one person who has been actively campaigning for a USE for years. He even wrote a book on it in 2005 called United States of Europe, which interestingly won the first European book prize that was held in the European parliament in Brussels. Think of that what you will.

Another individual is German politician Martin Schulz, who once said that he wants to see a new constitution for a USE, but any member state that is against this should be kicked out of the bloc.

That's just two individuals of many who've been calling for the EU to morph into a new unified state. You then have political groups in Europe who's main goal is to form a USE. These include the Union of European Federalists and Volt Europa. And, I know they come across as crazy, but the FBPE cult on Twitter are mostly all for uniting Europe into one state.

I agree that at this moment in time, a majority of the public wouldn't agree to giving up their national identity to be part of a unified European state. However, the plan has been in motion for some time and it's happening at such a slow pace that most people aren't even aware it's happening.

Look at the current push to end veto rights, which was voted in favour by a majority of MEPs. If this was out to the public of each member state in the form of a referendum, do you think the people would agree to have their nations veto removed?

Yeah, there absolutely is a federalist movement within the EU. They are quite fond of trying to bulldoze through any opposition. Winston Churchill was a proponent of a federal Europe, though who knows what he'd think of it as it is? Not that it matters as he's long dead.

Then there's the Lisbon Treaty that was forced through. On le reddit, I was recently arguing with someone about that. It absolutely did see public opposition, to the point that people were on the streets protesting.

I make an analogy to my university. They refused to be in the large national student union, that dictated everything that a SU and sports association at member universities could buy, from sports mats to beer (their big mistake). Instead we were in a smaller, though less powerful one, that had optional benefits. Even though the benefits were fewer and lesser, it gave us freedom (drinking cheap beer that somewhat tastes of piss compared to being forced to drink beer that is piss).

Seeing what is happening in the US seems a good enough reason to not have a federal Europe.

Any reasonable commentary on the EU in the UK has gone down the toilet though. Too many people are in one or another camp, and most people don't care.

Anyway, to try and avoid a warning, and to get back on topic:

The EU has been too slow to react to Russia's invasion and has gotten far to chummy with them. This hubris is costing them a lot, but it is wholly deserved. Thankfully they have woken up, but that individual member states have had to react (to varying degrees) shows that perhaps further integration is not so wise. And as a defensive organisation... well clearly Finland and Sweden don't see it becoming competent at that any time soon.

 

[sobaka770]

You cant handle our contrarian opinions as they are not aligned with your ruZZian media sources.

You do realize contrarian is opposite of consensus, right? Tell me you're younger than 30 with such naivete.

 

[akimbo009]

You do realize contrarian is opposite of consensus, right? Tell me you're younger than 30 with such naivete.

I really enjoyed that video of the orc getting blown up while taking a shit.

Didn't you?

 

[FatallyYours]

1. Ukraine can't take back shit. Right now they are getting kicked out of their most fortified positions in Donbass and losing 500-1000 men per day. They cannot hold territory or frontline. And people here are talking as if Ukraine has already won everything back and ask about invading Russia as a serious question. In what universe are you living in?

Here is a serious question: when do you think Zalyzhnyy upends Zelensky, which parts of Ukraine will Russia annex in addition to what they have ( Dnipro, Kharkiv, Odessa?) and which parts will be sold to Poland?

Firstly, you're a clown. Now that's out of the way

"They cannot hold territory or frontline", since around thr 7th April when Russia ran away from the capital, they havnt made any major gains in territory at all, and if anything, Ukraine have slowly, bit by bit, taken back parts of the south towards crimea and in the North east

At one small point, Ukraine were losing 500+ people a day. Imagine what those men and women put the Russians through to get to that point. I'm willing to belive the rate was and still is, much higher on Russias side

People aren't talking like Ukraine have won, they celebrate any little victory they can, to keep spirits up and cheer on the amazing effort of the Ukrainians. Good for them for defending their land

Which parts will be sold to Poland? Are you for real? I'll reiterate and state you are a clown again

2. Kherson bridge is standing and has a backup built right next to it. Russia moved thousands of troops there for defense and potential strike at Mykolaiv if Ukraine does another stupid artillery rotation.

This offensive has been spoken about for months - you think Russia wasn't preparing? It's be the stupidest plan ever. I'd rather believe Ukrainians find another region to strike, preferably the one that doesn't include shelling a nuclear power plant.

A bridge can be standing and be unusable. Same with roads. Some bridges/roads are not suited for certain vehicles in normal usage. In my country they are usualy well sign posted. Those maintained roads and bridges are usualy the main way to transport people and vehicles around. Now imagine those bridges and roads damaged with artillery to make them even more of a liability for traffic, heavy or not. Congrats, you've just played out a real life scenario in your head. Feels good to be using the old noggin doesn't it?

Yes, there are other ways of moving troops, across country or smaller/damaged roads, but that takes time and planning, allowing Ukraine to ambush or strike from distance on those troops whilst they make their pontoon bridges. Easy pickings

Stupid artillery rotation? It's stupid for Ukraine to use weapons to slow or halt the enemy in its tracks? Did I mention you are a clown? If not, let me tell you, you are a clown

Oh yeah, Russia has been planning. Since before the invasion of crimea I'd imagine. They planned to take Kyiv quickly too in Feb/March. That turned out well for them. I'll take the Ukrainian artillery over Russian planning any day

And you seriously think its Ukraine shelling a nuclear plant, on its own soil? Where Ukrainians live, and want to continue to live, and work, and play. That provides jobs, and power to their own country. Mate, I assume you've been to a top clown college, I'm guessing a Russian one at that?

3. The only success Ukraine is having is spinning losses into media wins by manipulating the info space. Case-in-point: Russia bombing it's own cities (and mining Donetsk???) or Zaporizhya power plant (?). What doesn't stand to scrutiny to anyone with half a brain is actually taken seriously by many people.

My advice, get some perspective and stop eating one-sided nonsense from Kyiv independent and ISW. Take no facts from Russia or Ukrainian command declarations either, although they probably say truth about strike areas and take ownership of major successes. Otherwise this thread is just political propaganda spewing nonsense.

Last time I was here people told me that it's over and Russia will lose at Severodonetsk. I'm sure same goalpost moving armchair generals will come out of woodworks now to say it's over at Kherson. And when Russia takes Sloviansk they will keep saying the same.

Awwww, look, he's put on his big boy clown pants for his first conflict/war. Sweet

Did you not know that propaganda is a massive part of war? It always has been. Use some time off from the circus to read up on some, if you have the time between pie throwing practice and juggling cabbages and beets that is. Wouldn't want you to lose out to all the other Russian clowns lining up to take your place at the Moscow circus

Propaganda isn't a new concept. The new type of emotional social media outcry was a damn fine idea from Ukraine, and has really served them well. I think it was a top idea, and will be talked about, written about and studied from now on

Now, cycle along on your unicycle little clown

 

[DaleinCalgary]

What does that even mean? I dare you to find any opinion on here that is not aligned with Western-based media source.

It was you that was smoking on the Moskva that caused it to sink correct?

 

[FatallyYours]

It was you that was smoking on the Moskva that caused it to sink correct?

Hot of the Russian press, official footage of sobaka smoking on the Moskva and/or at the Saki Airbase

 

[sobaka770]

Hot of the Russian press, official footage of sobaka smoking on the Moskva and/or at the Saki Airbase

You call me a clown so many times but will you be prepared to eat crow when served?

See the problem with your effort is that you actually have to immediately resort to ad-hominems and a strawman because your have no other arguments or facts. It's what we call - a weakness. While you think you're being smart and funny (neither is true), you actually have little to say and your armchair knowledge struggles with opposite opinion so you replace arguments with phrases that, when removed, make your little tirade shallow and laughable in it's own right. I guess that's the level of discourse we finally arrived to in social media age. The worst part is that you will not be able to respond to this without those because you... well, you'd need to put an actual effort and research.

Here is one example of your total lack of credibility:

The Zaporizhya nuclear plant has Russian army stationed. It is being planned to be turned off from Ukrainian electrical grid and plugged into Russian grid. Ukraine is not getting it back in a military way because the area around it is a killzone and therefore risks losing vital energy for winter season.
Moreover if Russia moves ahead and does a referendum in Zaporizhya, which they announced and they can claim as legal - then they will claim the land as Russian which allows the use of more indiscriminant military doctrines if necessary and mass-convert region to Russian currency, standards etc which will make it exponentially harder to retake.. (BTW, Russia doesn't care about anyone recognising its claims. It has to be legal enough for Russia to recognise it alongside with 1-2 allied countries and then it's militarily over. )

So what you are saying is that Russia who is planning on using the powerplant, has full territory control and plans an annexation of said territory is the one shelling itself and not the party who wants to:
- kick russian troops out or establish a demilitarised zone which accomplishes the same goal
- prevent any sham-referendum so that Russia can claim land as their own
- prevent russia from removing Ukraine from power station output or completely neuter that output

This is a bad bad mess there and both sides are playing with literally Chernobyl-level catastrophic event. Nobody is looking good, not the Russians who keep their military there, nor the Ukrainians who shell it knowing and calculating the risks.

See the thing about propaganda is that it's easy to see when someone else is being fed it. So we can all say how Russian media is spewing BS. Or Chinese media is BS. Or Fox News is BS.
But what you don't see is how been perfected to the point where you don't notice it when it's fed right into your ears. It's only when you realise that everything is BS, including things you believe, it's only when you take the hyperbole off of every statement including those you like and those you don't like, it's when you ask who is saying what to whom and with what purpose - only then will you actually grow out of whatever poor state you're in. Not by accepting any propaganda or cheering for it. KI is just RT. ISW is like Russian Military - selective and biased, they'll tell you where each side won but not tell you where they lost until absolutely necessary with a proper spin on it (gift, tactical retreat or whatever).

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

So much nonsense in this thread from same posters who only quote Ukrainian propaganda sites. Is this thread even valuable?

Here are a few truthbombs to chew on.

1. Ukraine can't take back shit. Right now they are getting kicked out of their most fortified positions in Donbass and losing 500-1000 men per day. They cannot hold territory or frontline. And people here are talking as if Ukraine has already won everything back and ask about invading Russia as a serious question. In what universe are you living in?

Here is a serious question: when do you think Zalyzhnyy upends Zelensky, which parts of Ukraine will Russia annex in addition to what they have ( Dnipro, Kharkiv, Odessa?) and which parts will be sold to Poland?

2. Kherson bridge is standing and has a backup built right next to it. Russia moved thousands of troops there for defense and potential strike at Mykolaiv if Ukraine does another stupid artillery rotation.

This offensive has been spoken about for months - you think Russia wasn't preparing? It's be the stupidest plan ever. I'd rather believe Ukrainians find another region to strike, preferably the one that doesn't include shelling a nuclear power plant.

3. The only success Ukraine is having is spinning losses into media wins by manipulating the info space. Case-in-point: Russia bombing it's own cities (and mining Donetsk???) or Zaporizhya power plant (?). What doesn't stand to scrutiny to anyone with half a brain is actually taken seriously by many people.

My advice, get some perspective and stop eating one-sided nonsense from Kyiv independent and ISW. Take no facts from Russia or Ukrainian command declarations either, although they probably say truth about strike areas and take ownership of major successes. Otherwise this thread is just political propaganda spewing nonsense.

Last time I was here people told me that it's over and Russia will lose at Severodonetsk. I'm sure same goalpost moving armchair generals will come out of woodworks now to say it's over at Kherson. And when Russia takes Sloviansk they will keep saying the same.

Nothing is set in stone and only until the end, we will know. Fuck Putler, also:

ISW: Ukrainian troops destroy bridges across Dnipro River cutting off Russian supplies to Kherson region​

ukrinform.net/rubric...

Who should I believe? Ruzzian propaganda or the Ukraine one?

I rather place my faith in Ukraine than the POS Ruzzian one, which has been trying to push more disinformation in the world, and they deserve everything bad that happens to them.

 

[FatallyYours]

You call me a clown so many times but will you be prepared to eat crow when served?

See the problem with your effort is that you actually have to immediately resort to ad-hominems and a strawman because your have no other arguments or facts. It's what we call - a weakness. While you think you're being smart and funny (neither is true), you actually have little to say and your armchair knowledge struggles with opposite opinion so you replace arguments with phrases that, when removed, make your little tirade shallow and laughable in it's own right. I guess that's the level of discourse we finally arrived to in social media age. The worst part is that you will not be able to respond to this without those because you... well, you'd need to put an actual effort and research.

Here is one example of your total lack of credibility:

The Zaporizhya nuclear plant has Russian army stationed. It is being planned to be turned off from Ukrainian electrical grid and plugged into Russian grid. Ukraine is not getting it back in a military way because the area around it is a killzone and therefore risks losing vital energy for winter season.
Moreover if Russia moves ahead and does a referendum in Zaporizhya, which they announced and they can claim as legal - then they will claim the land as Russian which allows the use of more indiscriminant military doctrines if necessary and mass-convert region to Russian currency, standards etc which will make it exponentially harder to retake.. (BTW, Russia doesn't care about anyone recognising its claims. It has to be legal enough for Russia to recognise it alongside with 1-2 allied countries and then it's militarily over. )

So what you are saying is that Russia who is planning on using the powerplant, has full territory control and plans an annexation of said territory is the one shelling itself and not the party who wants to:
- kick russian troops out or establish a demilitarised zone which accomplishes the same goal
- prevent any sham-referendum so that Russia can claim land as their own
- prevent russia from removing Ukraine from power station output or completely neuter that output

This is a bad bad mess there and both sides are playing with literally Chernobyl-level catastrophic event. Nobody is looking good, not the Russians who keep their military there, nor the Ukrainians who shell it knowing and calculating the risks.

See the thing about propaganda is that it's easy to see when someone else is being fed it. So we can all say how Russian media is spewing BS. Or Chinese media is BS. Or Fox News is BS.
But what you don't see is how been perfected to the point where you don't notice it when it's fed right into your ears. It's only when you realise that everything is BS, including things you believe, it's only when you take the hyperbole off of every statement including those you like and those you don't like, it's when you ask who is saying what to whom and with what purpose - only then will you actually grow out of whatever poor state you're in. Not by accepting any propaganda or cheering for it. KI is just RT. ISW is like Russian Military - selective and biased, they'll tell you where each side won but not tell you where they lost until absolutely necessary with a proper spin on it (gift, tactical retreat or whatever).

You are a clown though

Let me talk you through it. You google words to throw in your reply to make yourself look smart (you aren't), but you don't realise that you yourself are talking absolute bollocks and using strawman arguments. And let me assure you, I am both smart, and funny. Big cock too. Don't like clowns though, sorry...

Again, firstly, you say Ukraine cant take back shit. Wrong, they have consistently taken back territory and villages and towns since April. That's you're first gambit, your opening argument, the one you feel most happy with dying on a hill for. And it's easily proven false, so realistically I should throw the rest of your arguments out right away, but I'll continue

They cannot hold territory or frontline. Wrong again. It's very obvious that Ukraine can, has, and will continue to hold where needed since the middle of April

when do you think Zalyzhnyy upends Zelensky... and which parts will be sold to Poland. Holy shit dude. you pull this shit out of nowhere! Making up russian propaganda as you go. Youre talking about politicians usurping a wartime leader, who is universally liked at the moment AND then talking about parts of Ukraine being sold to Poland! To POLAND. Take a fucking bow mate, I've seen some made up shit in my time, but you've taken the biscuit lol

Kherson bridge is standing and has a backup built right next to it. Ok, listen, tanks travel on tracks right, not wheels. Those tracks cause damage to road surfaces that are in good condition. So when a bridge is shelled, it makes it almost impossible for those tanks to travel on. They have made pontoon bridges, and we have seen evidence that they are easy targets, awesome, keep building those pontoon bridges I say!

The only success Ukraine is having is spinning losses into media wins by manipulating the info space. i guess the last few hundred pages of Ukrainian successes were all false then. That it fella's, pack up, thread closed! This clowns shown the entirety of the Western Worlds free press and military Intelligence is wrong and has lied

See the problem with your effort is that you actually have to immediately resort to ad-hominems and a strawman because your have no other arguments or facts. Big words for a small clown. But my arguments are at least supported by that press and intelligence, skewed, maybe, but much better than the shit that Russia is flinging out

Here is one example of your total lack of credibility. You see, my supposed lack of credibility rests on your argument that my reply isnt based on what i belive to be free, fair and upto date reporting. Ill take my side over your russian backed views any day of the week comrade clown

So what you are saying is that Russia who is planning on using the powerplant, has full territory control and plans an annexation of said territory is the one shelling itself and not the party who wants to:
- kick russian troops out or establish a demilitarised zone which accomplishes the same goal
- prevent any sham-referendum so that Russia can claim land as their own
- prevent russia from removing Ukraine from power station output or completely neuter that output
Tell me youve never followed previous Russian fun time military operations against other old Soviet states without telling me lol. Russians lie. Sorry you've fallen for it

Once again, you are a clown

Just to point this out for the russian sympathisers, if you havnt noticed, this thread is for news on Russia illegally invading Ukraine, a sovereign nation, and its rape, torture and destruction of said country, and any and all news of any Ukrainian victories, big or small against the terrorists

If you want to celebrate russias propaganda, I suggest making another thread, or joining another forum completely. I hear VK is popular, and Russia sure could use some clowns to cheer up those fleeing Russians from the crimean holiday homes after that horrible smoking incident....

 

[Artoris]

You are a clown though

Let me talk you through it. You google words to throw in your reply to make yourself look smart (you aren't), but you don't realise that you yourself are talking absolute bollocks and using strawman arguments. And let me assure you, I am both smart, and funny. Big cock too. Don't like clowns though, sorry...

Again, firstly, you say Ukraine cant take back shit. Wrong, they have consistently taken back territory and villages and towns since April. That's you're first gambit, your opening argument, the one you feel most happy with dying on a hill for. And it's easily proven false, so realistically I should throw the rest of your arguments out right away, but I'll continue

They cannot hold territory or frontline. Wrong again. It's very obvious that Ukraine can, has, and will continue to hold where needed since the middle of April

when do you think Zalyzhnyy upends Zelensky... and which parts will be sold to Poland. Holy shit dude. you pull this shit out of nowhere! Making up russian propaganda as you go. Youre talking about politicians usurping a wartime leader, who is universally liked at the moment AND then talking about parts of Ukraine being sold to Poland! To POLAND. Take a fucking bow mate, I've seen some made up shit in my time, but you've taken the biscuit lol

Kherson bridge is standing and has a backup built right next to it. Ok, listen, tanks travel on tracks right, not wheels. Those tracks cause damage to road surfaces that are in good condition. So when a bridge is shelled, it makes it almost impossible for those tanks to travel on. They have made pontoon bridges, and we have seen evidence that they are easy targets, awesome, keep building those pontoon bridges I say!

The only success Ukraine is having is spinning losses into media wins by manipulating the info space. i guess the last few hundred pages of Ukrainian successes were all false then. That it fella's, pack up, thread closed! This clowns shown the entirety of the Western Worlds free press and military Intelligence is wrong and has lied

See the problem with your effort is that you actually have to immediately resort to ad-hominems and a strawman because your have no other arguments or facts. Big words for a small clown. But my arguments are at least supported by that press and intelligence, skewed, maybe, but much better than the shit that Russia is flinging out

Here is one example of your total lack of credibility. You see, my supposed lack of credibility rests on your argument that my reply isnt based on what i belive to be free, fair and upto date reporting. Ill take my side over your russian backed views any day of the week comrade clown

So what you are saying is that Russia who is planning on using the powerplant, has full territory control and plans an annexation of said territory is the one shelling itself and not the party who wants to:
- kick russian troops out or establish a demilitarised zone which accomplishes the same goal
- prevent any sham-referendum so that Russia can claim land as their own
- prevent russia from removing Ukraine from power station output or completely neuter that output
Tell me youve never followed previous Russian fun time military operations against other old Soviet states without telling me lol. Russians lie. Sorry you've fallen for it

Once again, you are a clown

Just to point this out for the russian sympathisers, if you havnt noticed, this thread is for news on Russia illegally invading Ukraine, a sovereign nation, and its rape, torture and destruction of said country, and any and all news of any Ukrainian victories, big or small against the terrorists

If you want to celebrate russias propaganda, I suggest making another thread, or joining another forum completely. I hear VK is popular, and Russia sure could use some clowns to cheer up those fleeing Russians from the crimean holiday homes

Burger King Russia Files Complaint Over Pennywise the Sewer Clown

The chain says he’s too similar to Ronald McDonald

www.eater.com

 

[Gp1]

2. Kherson bridge is standing and has a backup built right next to it. Russia moved thousands of troops there for defense and potential strike at Mykolaiv if Ukraine does another stupid artillery rotation.

Sure Jan.
So easy to maintain their defenses that the provisional government already fled.

Just waiting for the Russian's "tactical retreat" followed by an ineffective and limited counter offensive in another theatre, just for the PR.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...on-bridges-out-russians-face-supply-nightmare

 

[sobaka770]

Nothing is set in stone and only until the end, we will know. Fuck Putler, also:

ISW: Ukrainian troops destroy bridges across Dnipro River cutting off Russian supplies to Kherson region​

ukrinform.net/rubric...

Who should I believe? Ruzzian propaganda or the Ukraine one?

I rather place my faith in Ukraine than the POS Ruzzian one, which has been trying to push more disinformation in the world, and they deserve everything bad that happens to them.

There is faith and then there is believing propaganda.

Faith requires no proof. If you're saying you're wishing Ukraine to "win" whatever definition of that is for you - that is fair.

However perversely if you put faith in a ISW sourced-data because you support Ukraine and therefore take choose to take this information as fact "on faith" - that's a massive fallacy that is what my point is about.
It's pretty jaded way to live but haven't we all been lied to enough and have we not been shown enough data to say that each nation is as usual after their own self-interest? Even when they say it's for "democracy" clearly not a lot of people upstairs care about people of Ukraine, or Syria, or Gaza etc etc.

Sure Jan.
So easy to maintain their defenses that the provisional government already fled.

Just waiting for the Russian's "tactical retreat" followed by an ineffective and limited counter offensive in another theatre, just for the PR.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...on-bridges-out-russians-face-supply-nightmare

Let's come back to this in a month? We're all expecting an offensive on Kherson here (even though announcing it is a very stupid move in my opinion), but I hear it might not be coming. Moving government to a safer area doesn't mean anything, there are soldiers and a lot of defenses there. Surely "gifting" half of Kherson for Russia is not in any way plausible just as Ukraine didn't "gift" Severdonyetsk or Lysichansk.

 

[niilokin]

You call me a clown so many times but will you be prepared to eat crow when served?

See the problem with your effort is that you actually have to immediately resort to ad-hominems and a strawman because your have no other arguments or facts. It's what we call - a weakness. While you think you're being smart and funny (neither is true), you actually have little to say and your armchair knowledge struggles with opposite opinion so you replace arguments with phrases that, when removed, make your little tirade shallow and laughable in it's own right. I guess that's the level of discourse we finally arrived to in social media age. The worst part is that you will not be able to respond to this without those because you... well, you'd need to put an actual effort and research.

Here is one example of your total lack of credibility:

The Zaporizhya nuclear plant has Russian army stationed. It is being planned to be turned off from Ukrainian electrical grid and plugged into Russian grid. Ukraine is not getting it back in a military way because the area around it is a killzone and therefore risks losing vital energy for winter season.
Moreover if Russia moves ahead and does a referendum in Zaporizhya, which they announced and they can claim as legal - then they will claim the land as Russian which allows the use of more indiscriminant military doctrines if necessary and mass-convert region to Russian currency, standards etc which will make it exponentially harder to retake.. (BTW, Russia doesn't care about anyone recognising its claims. It has to be legal enough for Russia to recognise it alongside with 1-2 allied countries and then it's militarily over. )

So what you are saying is that Russia who is planning on using the powerplant, has full territory control and plans an annexation of said territory is the one shelling itself and not the party who wants to:
- kick russian troops out or establish a demilitarised zone which accomplishes the same goal
- prevent any sham-referendum so that Russia can claim land as their own
- prevent russia from removing Ukraine from power station output or completely neuter that output

This is a bad bad mess there and both sides are playing with literally Chernobyl-level catastrophic event. Nobody is looking good, not the Russians who keep their military there, nor the Ukrainians who shell it knowing and calculating the risks.

See the thing about propaganda is that it's easy to see when someone else is being fed it. So we can all say how Russian media is spewing BS. Or Chinese media is BS. Or Fox News is BS.
But what you don't see is how been perfected to the point where you don't notice it when it's fed right into your ears. It's only when you realise that everything is BS, including things you believe, it's only when you take the hyperbole off of every statement including those you like and those you don't like, it's when you ask who is saying what to whom and with what purpose - only then will you actually grow out of whatever poor state you're in. Not by accepting any propaganda or cheering for it. KI is just RT. ISW is like Russian Military - selective and biased, they'll tell you where each side won but not tell you where they lost until absolutely necessary with a proper spin on it (gift, tactical retreat or whatever).

 

[FatallyYours]

There is faith and then there is believing propaganda.

Faith requires no proof. If you're saying you're wishing Ukraine to "win" whatever definition of that is for you - that is fair.

However perversely if you put faith in a ISW sourced-data because you support Ukraine and therefore take choose to take this information as fact "on faith" - that's a massive fallacy that is what my point is about.
It's pretty jaded way to live but haven't we all been lied to enough and have we not been shown enough data to say that each nation is as usual after their own self-interest? Even when they say it's for "democracy" clearly not a lot of people upstairs care about people of Ukraine, or Syria, or Gaza etc etc.



Let's come back to this in a month? We're all expecting an offensive on Kherson here (even though announcing it is a very stupid move in my opinion), but I hear it might not be coming. Moving government to a safer area doesn't mean anything, there are soldiers and a lot of defenses there. Surely "gifting" half of Kherson for Russia is not in any way plausible just as Ukraine didn't "gift" Severdonyetsk or Lysichansk.

No no no, your point was, that were all believing in fake news and propaganda, don't change goal posts now little clown, it's not about our faith

Your main points that you wrote about are all based on truth bombs and we are all wrong remember? It wasn't that long ago, maybe you should reread what you wrote

Clearly no one cares about Ukraine, not the millions upon millions of civilians in the western democratic world, most of the governments of western countries, major defensive organisations, certainly not enough to send Billions of dollars, euros and pounds to help them out. Nope, certainly not

And just nit picking a little, you describe Zaporizhya as under russain control with a Russian nuclear plant, I'd describe it as contested Ukrainian land, with a Ukrainian power plant, but I digress, and I'm quoting you directly here;

"Moreover if Russia moves ahead and does a referendum in Zaporizhya, which they announced and they can claim as legal - then they will claim the land as Russian which allows the use of more indiscriminant military doctrines if necessary and mass-convert region to Russian currency, standards etc which will make it exponentially harder to retake.. (BTW, Russia doesn't care about anyone recognising its claims. It has to be legal enough for Russia to recognise it alongside with 1-2 allied countries and then it's militarily over. )

So what you are saying is that Russia who is planning on using the powerplant, has full territory control and plans an annexation of said territory is the one shelling itself"

If russia has full territory control, its safe, its going to install its own puppet government, give out russain cabbages to civilians and provide russain passports for holidays to crimea, why is there shelling in that area at all? Theres no reason for Ukraine to shell it, and lets be honest, there are hundreds, thousands even, of other, better targets that they can hit with their limited stock piles of rockets aren't there?

Hmmmm. How strange

"were all expecting an offensive on kherson...but I hear it might not be coming" It's official guys, we've found the head clown for russain intelligence services, we're all armchair generals, but he has friends that know of attacks and when they are fake news

Listen, you're going on ignore after this, as you're clearly a plonker, feel free to keep spouting bollocks, but your points are pathetic, based in fantasy, and you are clearly under the influence of Russian propaganda

 

[akimbo009]

There is faith and then there is believing propaganda.

Faith requires no proof. If you're saying you're wishing Ukraine to "win" whatever definition of that is for you - that is fair.

However perversely if you put faith in a ISW sourced-data because you support Ukraine and therefore take choose to take this information as fact "on faith" - that's a massive fallacy that is what my point is about.
It's pretty jaded way to live but haven't we all been lied to enough and have we not been shown enough data to say that each nation is as usual after their own self-interest? Even when they say it's for "democracy" clearly not a lot of people upstairs care about people of Ukraine, or Syria, or Gaza etc etc.



Let's come back to this in a month? We're all expecting an offensive on Kherson here (even though announcing it is a very stupid move in my opinion), but I hear it might not be coming. Moving government to a safer area doesn't mean anything, there are soldiers and a lot of defenses there. Surely "gifting" half of Kherson for Russia is not in any way plausible just as Ukraine didn't "gift" Severdonyetsk or Lysichansk.

The fuck you still going on about. This shit was supposed to be done by day 5. Here we are, going on month 6 after 30,000+ orcs have been killed or wounded.

You just are blathering around, when everything points to failures by Russia - and the trends ain't changing. They're just getting eaten up - and problem with incursions is the natives don't go anywhere so Russia will just keep getting losses.

So just stop - you've made a mess of yourself already.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Wagner HQ destroyed: RF accidentally leaked coordinates​

dialog.ua/war/25...

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

There is faith and then there is believing propaganda.

Faith requires no proof. If you're saying you're wishing Ukraine to "win" whatever definition of that is for you - that is fair.

However perversely if you put faith in a ISW sourced-data because you support Ukraine and therefore take choose to take this information as fact "on faith" - that's a massive fallacy that is what my point is about.
It's pretty jaded way to live but haven't we all been lied to enough and have we not been shown enough data to say that each nation is as usual after their own self-interest? Even when they say it's for "democracy" clearly not a lot of people upstairs care about people of Ukraine, or Syria, or Gaza etc etc.



Let's come back to this in a month? We're all expecting an offensive on Kherson here (even though announcing it is a very stupid move in my opinion), but I hear it might not be coming. Moving government to a safer area doesn't mean anything, there are soldiers and a lot of defenses there. Surely "gifting" half of Kherson for Russia is not in any way plausible just as Ukraine didn't "gift" Severdonyetsk or Lysichansk.

"However perversely if you put faith in a ISW sourced-data because you support Ukraine and therefore take choose to take this information as fact "on faith" - that's a massive fallacy that is what my point is about."

It goes both ways, for me, it looks like you just want to place disinformation too, makes Ruzzians look like they are doing well when they have a massive shitstorm in their 3 days of conquering. They simply fail, and they are failing/winning then rinse and repeat, I do not expect Ukraine to win in the short term, but Ruzzia is fucked due to sanctions, corruption, and soldiers with low morale.

Should I believe Ruzzian information then? A lot of the information also comes from other sources, USA, and British information and they all say how Ruzzia fucked bad, and they are getting fucked now.

****If there is a small chance you are one of those who is hired by one of their disinformation machines, can you give them a comment on my part? Or if you see anyone supporting this shit, can you tell them in the street****

Fuck Putler!!!

 

[Patrick S.]

Wagner HQ destroyed: RF accidentally leaked coordinates​

dialog.ua/war/25...

Good.

 

[Gp1]

Let's come back to this in a month? We're all expecting an offensive on Kherson here (even though announcing it is a very stupid move in my opinion), but I hear it might not be coming. Moving government to a safer area doesn't mean anything, there are soldiers and a lot of defenses there. Surely "gifting" half of Kherson for Russia is not in any way plausible just as Ukraine didn't "gift" Severdonyetsk or Lysichansk.

There won't be a big Kherson offensive. The Russians at the wrong side of the river will be out of supplies if they don't retreat.

 

[Tams]

Wagner HQ destroyed: RF accidentally leaked coordinates​

dialog.ua/war/25...

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

So much nonsense in this thread from same posters who only quote Ukrainian propaganda sites. Is this thread even valuable?

Here are a few truthbombs to chew on.

1. Ukraine can't take back shit. Right now they are getting kicked out of their most fortified positions in Donbass and losing 500-1000 men per day. They cannot hold territory or frontline. And people here are talking as if Ukraine has already won everything back and ask about invading Russia as a serious question. In what universe are you living in?

Here is a serious question: when do you think Zalyzhnyy upends Zelensky, which parts of Ukraine will Russia annex in addition to what they have ( Dnipro, Kharkiv, Odessa?) and which parts will be sold to Poland?

2. Kherson bridge is standing and has a backup built right next to it. Russia moved thousands of troops there for defense and potential strike at Mykolaiv if Ukraine does another stupid artillery rotation.

This offensive has been spoken about for months - you think Russia wasn't preparing? It's be the stupidest plan ever. I'd rather believe Ukrainians find another region to strike, preferably the one that doesn't include shelling a nuclear power plant.

3. The only success Ukraine is having is spinning losses into media wins by manipulating the info space. Case-in-point: Russia bombing it's own cities (and mining Donetsk???) or Zaporizhya power plant (?). What doesn't stand to scrutiny to anyone with half a brain is actually taken seriously by many people.

My advice, get some perspective and stop eating one-sided nonsense from Kyiv independent and ISW. Take no facts from Russia or Ukrainian command declarations either, although they probably say truth about strike areas and take ownership of major successes. Otherwise this thread is just political propaganda spewing nonsense.

Last time I was here people told me that it's over and Russia will lose at Severodonetsk. I'm sure same goalpost moving armchair generals will come out of woodworks now to say it's over at Kherson. And when Russia takes Sloviansk they will keep saying the same.

Sobaka, i genuinely think you're an alright dude, but that line about zlyzhnvy and poland makes you look bad, like real bad, like drunk russian on national tv talking about nuking london and invading half of europe kind of bad, to give you an idea how bad that line reads.

And sure, there's several reads to the state of the war and you're entitled to your reading. But zlyzhnvy deposing zelensky and the entire of ukraine carved up and auctioned? that's not a reading on the state of the war, nor on what will happen when it ends. It's a very different thing, and I feel you're smart enough to know the difference.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Im on a bachelor weekend in Estonia Tallinn right now and every retard drunken agressive shithead you see here is a Russian. Cant wait for their Visas to expire.

Love how the Estonians here have decorated the russian embassy with pictures of their crimes and plaques calling them terrorists. Sadly they still got police cars watching the building.

 

[sobaka770]

Sobaka, i genuinely think you're an alright dude, but that line about zlyzhnvy and poland makes you look bad, like real bad, like drunk russian on national tv talking about nuking london and invading half of europe kind of bad, to give you an idea how bad that line reads.

And sure, there's several reads to the state of the war and you're entitled to your reading. But zlyzhnvy deposing zelensky and the entire of ukraine carved up and auctioned? that's not a reading on the state of the war, nor on what will happen when it ends. It's a very different thing, and I feel you're smart enough to know the difference.

First of all, thank you for at least reading my stuff.

Second, not only I totally agree that it is stupid to say that Poland will carve up Ukraine, I was trying deliberately to be provocative as the posts behind me were seriously discussing about what happen when Ukraine wins and attacks/invades Russian land. To me both are at the same level of preposterousness in terms of Russian propaganda vs Western "free media" bias (cause propaganda sounds bad).

As for Zaluzhnii/Poland - the law to grant special permits to Polish residents is not a joke and it happened, whatever strings it carries - buyout of businesses, positions of power etc is to be seen. There will be no "invasion" from Polish side, it's not how players with economic power work. Economically and through diplomatic means, EU will take what it can. None of the military aid is coming without strings attached and Ukraine debt was not forgiven, in fact the country is in technical default right now, much of its land sold or in the process of being traded for whatever help is coming. This is all once again to my mind indication that Ukraine really doesn't matter to anyone as a state, which is always the case when big powers get involved, and there are serious calculations happening right now way above that level - a lot of hot spots all over the world are shifting like tectonic plates as big players reevaluate their stance, power and how far they are willing to go to keep/obtain it. Compared to that, what is Donbass...

 

[FatallyYours]

Sobaka, i genuinely think you're an alright dude, but that line about zlyzhnvy and poland makes you look bad, like real bad, like drunk russian on national tv talking about nuking london and invading half of europe kind of bad, to give you an idea how bad that line reads.

And sure, there's several reads to the state of the war and you're entitled to your reading. But zlyzhnvy deposing zelensky and the entire of ukraine carved up and auctioned? that's not a reading on the state of the war, nor on what will happen when it ends. It's a very different thing, and I feel you're smart enough to know the difference.

The whole thing made him look bad, it's an entire Soviet manifesto, the military coup and sale of Ukraine to Poland was just the cherry on top of a large pile of dung

Every post was full of fantasy, opinion, or factually wrong statements. There wasn't a single redeeming point. Then he doubled down on it

He wants to come back in 2 months to see a new military backed president, with huge parts of the country sold off, and a Russian flag flying over Kyiv, then I welcome his return


Also, just pointing out, I like Poland, think its top, and they've done an amazing amount of work during this crisis. And they've dealt with far too much shit over the last 100~ years, they should be celebrated more often with everything they have been through, and what they are doing right now

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

As for Zaluzhnii/Poland - the law to grant special permits to Polish residents is not a joke and it happened, whatever strings it carries - buyout of businesses, positions of power etc is to be seen. There will be no "invasion" from Polish side, it's not how players with economic power work. Economically and through diplomatic means, EU will take what it can. None of the military aid is coming without strings attached and Ukraine debt was not forgiven, in fact the country is in technical default right now, much of its land sold or in the process of being traded for whatever help is coming. This is all once again to my mind indication that Ukraine really doesn't matter to anyone as a state, which is always the case when big powers get involved, and there are serious calculations happening right now way above that level - a lot of hot spots all over the world are shifting like tectonic plates as big players reevaluate their stance, power and how far they are willing to go to keep/obtain it. Compared to that, what is Donbass...

But that's sort of the standard in modern interconnected economies... I buy this thing on your country, you buy this thing on my country. Sure, economic nationalism is a thing and governments try to make it happen as much as they can, let's not kid ourselves. Pretending Polish capital having interests on Ukraine is somehow bad... not even Russia did that, as they welcomed foreign capital.

As for what cooperating countries want out of ukraine to settle the debts.... sure, they all want something for their help but, a balanced take would be to mention that the alternative is to let Russia colonize Ukraine and genocide their culture and language. I do hope you're not going to try to argue that Ukraine should just give up and let Russia turn it into a colony, as a better option than to settle the debts caused by the Russian invasion. Remember, Russians are the bad ones in this story - and that is not propaganda.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Ukrainian Forces Have Captured Almost 450 Enemy Armored Carriers and Lots of Other Equipment and Ammunition | Defense Express​

en.defence-ua.com/news/u...

 

[Gp1]

Love how the Estonians here have decorated the russian embassy with pictures of their crimes and plaques calling them terrorists. Sadly they still got police cars watching the building.

Russia and Russian society simply doesn't care about this kind of demonstration.



ps. Seriously, read this guy. Probably the the best Russian society analyst available on twitter.

 

[FatallyYours]

 

[nemiroff]

Let's come back to this in a month

I'll check back in 2 months

Months?? It was supposed to be three days!! It's been six months now, so how many fucking months do you need?? Six million months??

Get your clown ass out of here you fucking twat.

 

[M1chl]

Only missing that Ukraine itself bombed the Donbass for 8 years...

 

[sobaka770]

Jeez, someone's triggered bad.

You know you could put time making this into educating yourself on critical thinking, maybe you could participate in this thread with other adults.

Months?? It was supposed to be three days!! It's been six months now, so how many fucking months do you need?? Six million months??

Get your clown ass out of here you fucking twat.

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[nemiroff]

Jeez, someone's triggered bad.

You know you could put time making this into educating yourself on critical thinking, maybe you could participate in this thread with other adults.


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That's you in this thread, sobaka.

 

[FatallyYours]

That's you in this thread, sobaka.

He still replying? Clown got ignored ages ago.
Fun fact, I made that dirty edit of a meme when on the toilet, there was only so many new posts in brunette/blonde/redhead threads to keep me entertained whist taking a dump

 

[Tams]

I've ignored you, sobaka770 , but to answer what countries supporting Ukraine want...

1. A democracy that supports decent human rights - yes, we damn well know Ukraine still has a way to go.
2. To protect other humans from needless suffering and death.
3. To ensure the security and democracy of other countries in the region.
4. Democracies are good for our trade.
5. Yes, we will want the debts paid back. Here's the thing with state debt - it's a safe bet that it will be paid back.
6. Some of the aid is donations because Ukraine winning now is so important.
7. Testing our weapons against an opponent.
8. Weakening Russia, who we rightly consider a threat.
9. Warning the PRC.
10. And yes, our defence companies are quite happy - though they too have people in them who do care about Ukraine (and our ballooning defence budgets) for more than just money and testing their products.

 

[akimbo009]

First of all, thank you for at least reading my stuff.

Second, not only I totally agree that it is stupid to say that Poland will carve up Ukraine, I was trying deliberately to be provocative as the posts behind me were seriously discussing about what happen when Ukraine wins and attacks/invades Russian land. To me both are at the same level of preposterousness in terms of Russian propaganda vs Western "free media" bias (cause propaganda sounds bad).

As for Zaluzhnii/Poland - the law to grant special permits to Polish residents is not a joke and it happened, whatever strings it carries - buyout of businesses, positions of power etc is to be seen. There will be no "invasion" from Polish side, it's not how players with economic power work. Economically and through diplomatic means, EU will take what it can. None of the military aid is coming without strings attached and Ukraine debt was not forgiven, in fact the country is in technical default right now, much of its land sold or in the process of being traded for whatever help is coming. This is all once again to my mind indication that Ukraine really doesn't matter to anyone as a state, which is always the case when big powers get involved, and there are serious calculations happening right now way above that level - a lot of hot spots all over the world are shifting like tectonic plates as big players reevaluate their stance, power and how far they are willing to go to keep/obtain it. Compared to that, what is Donbass...

My dick is in your mom's ass.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I am not sure I am enjoying these last few posts.... sobaka770 might have opinions we disagree on, but this doesn't feel like the kind of thing that we should be doing to a fellow gaffer...

 

[akimbo009]

I am not sure I am enjoying these last few posts.... sobaka770 might have opinions we disagree on, but this doesn't feel like the kind of thing that we should be doing to a fellow gaffer...

Gaffers can also be terrible. Look, Ukraine didn't ask for this. They are being raped for this. They are being murdered for this. They are subjected to genocide for this.

Your honoring GAF is appreciated, but GAF doesn't rape, murder, or genocide. Russians due, and their supporters enable that. It's not virtue signaling when your virtue is honest and the violators are deep end fuckers.

Have a clear conscience. Sobka is on the wrong side - not 'both side' it.

 

[FatallyYours]

I am not sure I am enjoying these last few posts.... sobaka770 might have opinions we disagree on, but this doesn't feel like the kind of thing that we should be doing to a fellow gaffer...

OK, its obvious to anyone that he typed some of the worst drivel in this thread in a while, starting basically with you are all wrong, I'm here to tell you the truth, here's some really bad takes with no truth behind them

He has a right to an opinion, but he has to take the consequences with what he came out with. I for one, called him a clown, and nothing worse. I never lost my temper with him or rose to any bait. I explained in pretty basic English, actual facts about his beliefs, if he still doesn't like it, then that's on him

Others called him other things. They have their right to say what they want too, and they'll deal with any consequences to their words I assume

You have a slight friendship with the guy, from what i can gather from your other post, that's fine, maybe you should try and inform him about his super hot takes, and look at the atmosphere of this thread. I don't like CoD or FIFA, I wouldn't wade into a post specifically about those games and start spouting untrue things about how Age of Empires 2 is a superior game (it is btw), I'd ignore the thread and go about my day

Back on topic, he is clearly wrong in all of his points, but he can belive them, he just doesn't need to bring them in here and tell everyone else that they are wrong, when half a years worth of facts, data, pictures, videos, first hand accounts, intelligence gathering and free press clearly show the opposite to what he's saying

 

[Relique]

This thread is a fucking mess. So much name calling and pointing fingers. I think by now it should be obvious that there is no real discussion to be had here. If this thread was just for news updates it'd be at least somewhat tolerable, but we aren't even staying on top news updates anymore. I've moved on to get my daily updates from the Ukrainian subreddit and only glance in here every once in a while. Glad to see I didn't miss much besides grown men acting like children calling each other clowns and shit.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Was something of worth lost?

 

[akimbo009]

This thread is a fucking mess. So much name calling and pointing fingers. I think by now it should be obvious that there is no real discussion to be had here. If this thread was just for news updates it'd be at least somewhat tolerable, but we aren't even staying on top news updates anymore. I've moved on to get my daily updates from the Ukrainian subreddit and only glance in here every once in a while. Glad to see I didn't miss much besides grown men acting like children calling each other clowns and shit.

Sure, blame everyone, that's a great approach. Oooooor call out the specific people who did stupid shit. Thread was great until a few pro-Russians showed up. Or you think they deserve a platform...Russia winning ...

Let them make their own thread.. cause new news new thread.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Gaffers can also be terrible. Look, Ukraine didn't ask for this. They are being raped for this. They are being murdered for this. They are subjected to genocide for this.

Your honoring GAF is appreciated, but GAF doesn't rape, murder, or genocide. Russians due, and their supporters enable that. It's not virtue signaling when your virtue is honest and the violators are deep end fuckers.

Have a clear conscience. Sobka is on the wrong side - not 'both side' it.

The mods have removed people posting actual russian propaganda.

If they don't find his opinion objectionable, he deserves a modicum of respect, that's all.

OK, its obvious to anyone that he typed some of the worst drivel in this thread in a while, starting basically with you are all wrong, I'm here to tell you the truth, here's some really bad takes with no truth behind them

He has a right to an opinion, but he has to take the consequences with what he came out with. I for one, called him a clown, and nothing worse. I never lost my temper with him or rose to any bait. I explained in pretty basic English, actual facts about his beliefs, if he still doesn't like it, then that's on him

Others called him other things. They have their right to say what they want too, and they'll deal with any consequences to their words I assume

You have a slight friendship with the guy, from what i can gather from your other post, that's fine, maybe you should try and inform him about his super hot takes, and look at the atmosphere of this thread. I don't like CoD or FIFA, I wouldn't wade into a post specifically about those games and start spouting untrue things about how Age of Empires 2 is a superior game (it is btw), I'd ignore the thread and go about my day

Back on topic, he is clearly wrong in all of his points, but he can belive them, he just doesn't need to bring them in here and tell everyone else that they are wrong, when half a years worth of facts, data, pictures, videos, first hand accounts, intelligence gathering and free press clearly show the opposite to what he's saying

Same answer for you

Anyways perhaps i'm just an old fashioned fool.

 

[FatallyYours]

The mods have removed people posting actual russian propaganda.

If they don't find his opinion objectionable, he deserves a modicum of respect, that's all.



Same answer for you

Anyways perhaps i'm just an old fashioned fool.

And when the mods do a sweep of this thread, they'll decide what, or what not to do. I'm guessing it'll be a message saying stay on topic or the thread will be closed. But individuals need to remember that when posting wild theories on a large, public forum, they should expect others to fact check those theories and correct them. Again, it's up to them if they don't want to hear the more backed up versions of events

 

[Tams]

This thread is a fucking mess. So much name calling and pointing fingers. I think by now it should be obvious that there is no real discussion to be had here. If this thread was just for news updates it'd be at least somewhat tolerable, but we aren't even staying on top news updates anymore. I've moved on to get my daily updates from the Ukrainian subreddit and only glance in here every once in a while. Glad to see I didn't miss much besides grown men acting like children calling each other clowns and shit.

Please tell us how he didn't deserve it though? The name calling only came when he refused to accept even a single point and dug deeper. Why should this forum have to put up with either idiots or trolls like that?

And you do realise that the Ukrainian subreddits would ban someone like him pronto?

Then again, I recall you having some bad takes in this thread.