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Tesla sales tank in Europe as stock drops 40% in a month

XXL

Member
So you blame the car when even the article you link for proof is all about who has the worst drivers?

Tesla has worst drivers​

Going fully electric may not mean as much if you’re a menace on the streets.

In fact, from Jan. 1, 2024, through Dec. 31, 2024, Tesla had the worst drivers, at 36.94 incidents (accidents, DUIs, speeding and citations) per 1,000 drivers. When we conducted this study in late 2023, Tesla ranked second-worst with 31.13 incidents from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023.
Exactly.

Going 0-60 in less than 2 secs in the Model S or under 4 secs in the Model Y Performance is a little too much for some to handle.

I've driven a Model S before and it's hard to comprehend how fast that actual is by just seeing it.

It's not like a Corolla. Lol.

Here is the S Plaid vs The Huracan
 
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Kacho

Gold Member
Most of the drivers aren't using the "brakes" as the majority are using 1 pedal driving (which is amazing btw)

What's going on in what you described.... is they are shit 1 pedal drivers and are letting off on the pedal too much triggering the brake lights.

You're supposed to progressively let off of the pedal.
How do you coast down hills with that feature?
 

AlphaDump

Gold Member
Most of the drivers aren't using the "brakes" as the majority are using 1 pedal driving (which is amazing btw)

What's going on in what you described.... is they are shit 1 pedal drivers and are letting off on the pedal too much triggering the brake lights.

You're supposed to progressively let off of the pedal.

That sounds like it would be janky as hell to drive. I can literally see that 1 pedal approach on the road whenever a Tesla is behind me. It's like they can't figure out whether to tailgate me or not.
 
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Ecotic

Member
To just largely vacate the job of CEO and then go take up a polarizing political job seems like an obvious breach of fiduciary duty by Musk. I'm surprised I haven't seen any reports of people attempting to sue him for this. The people who bought at the December highs aren't getting their money back. Of course it's their own fault, but I'm just surprised I'm seeing no one trying.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
How do you coast down hills with that feature?
That sounds like it would be janky as hell to drive. I can literally see that 1 pedal approach on the road whenever a Tesla is behind me. It's like they can't figure out whether to tailgate me or not.
I am not sure how Teslas one pedal works but in my F150 Lightning its called just that, one pedal and my 4XE Jeep Wrangler its called max regen

Hills just depends on how much grade there is like if I am driving around in a town with gentle slopes if I have 1 pedal turned on the truck wont just coast down the hill it will stop unless I am on the throttle

I have had my vehicles through the Smokey Mountains and the regen braking works amazing there as coming down out of the mountains is a free charge and I have to touch the actual brakes very little

And it can be very janky to new drivers, it takes a bit to get used to it
 

Kacho

Gold Member
I am not sure how Teslas one pedal works but in my F150 Lightning its called just that, one pedal and my 4XE Jeep Wrangler its called max regen

Hills just depends on how much grade there is like if I am driving around in a town with gentle slopes if I have 1 pedal turned on the truck wont just coast down the hill it will stop unless I am on the throttle

I have had my vehicles through the Smokey Mountains and the regen braking works amazing there as coming down out of the mountains is a free charge and I have to touch the actual brakes very little

And it can be very janky to new drivers, it takes a bit to get used to it
Most people can't figure out to how drive normal cars with consistent momentum. I'm not surprised they can't figure out a feature like one pedal.

Every time I get behind a Tesla it's brake,brake,brake,brake,brake which requires me to hyper focus on them. Annoying as fuck.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Maybe everyone has realised EVs are fucking shit, disposable cars :messenger_grinning_smiling:
Just curious what makes you think they are "disposable"?

Most people can't figure out to how drive normal cars with consistent momentum. I'm not surprised they can't figure out a feature like one pedal.

Every time I get behind a Tesla it's brake,brake,brake,brake,brake which requires me to hyper focus on them. Annoying as fuck.
The thing about that brake brake brake is as soon as they let off the throttle to a certain threshold the regen braking kicks on triggering the brake lights

I only know this because I have watched my own brake lights come on when I felt I was still giving throttle

But yeah EVs can be a pain to follow because of this
 

Thebonehead

Gold Member
Most people can't figure out to how drive normal cars with consistent momentum. I'm not surprised they can't figure out a feature like one pedal.

Every time I get behind a Tesla it's brake,brake,brake,brake,brake which requires me to hyper focus on them. Annoying as fuck.
Wait until you are following one thats on autopilot and it slams on the brakes for no reason.

Mine does that occasionally. No rhyme or reason. I'm sure it's to keep me on my toes.

As Heisenberg says above the Tesla for me is one pedal driving and regen is set to max - Means when i take my foot slightly off the pedal more than a fraction then the regen kicks in and the brake lights come on
 

XXL

Member
How do you coast down hills with that feature?
You just release the pressure off of the pedal. Btw, you can also set it to drive like a normal car.

I definitely prefer 1 pedal driving though, it's obviously strange at first, but you have much more control. Btw, you can use the actual brake whenever you want.

Another advantage to 1 pedal driving is it doesn't use the brake pads, so there is no real reason to change them.
 
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XXL

Member
I am not sure how Teslas one pedal works but in my F150 Lightning its called just that, one pedal and my 4XE Jeep Wrangler its called max regen

Hills just depends on how much grade there is like if I am driving around in a town with gentle slopes if I have 1 pedal turned on the truck wont just coast down the hill it will stop unless I am on the throttle

I have had my vehicles through the Smokey Mountains and the regen braking works amazing there as coming down out of the mountains is a free charge and I have to touch the actual brakes very little

And it can be very janky to new drivers, it takes a bit to get used to it
Exactly. I basically never use my brakes.

I drive on full regen, in the winter I use regen/brake like Thebonehead Thebonehead mentioned.
 
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dave_d

Member
Most people can't figure out to how drive normal cars with consistent momentum. I'm not surprised they can't figure out a feature like one pedal.
Pretty much. I've seen so many people ride their brakes while not slowing down at all for a 1/4-1/2 mile I seriously wonder if they think the brake is a foot rest for their left foot. Using cruise control would be an advanced driving topic for them.
 

Yoboman

Member
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
It is indeed false. hunnit fiddy cent.

Tesla would have been in the dust bin of history without Elon because the two other founders were running it into the ground. They were bankrupt until Elon turned it around.

HTH.

That wasn't the point. He funded them early on (he wasn't a founder) and then later took over and made it what it is today. He didn't design any of the cars, helped build the software or anything... In fact, he didn't found SpaceX either.

5 years from now (if it exists), you'll probably be telling us he founded Twitter.
 

a'la mode

Member
Your username along with you're unwavering support of domestic terrorism.....is almost too much to handle.
If You Say So Wow GIF by Identity


I don't know... they look pretty hot to me!

:messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service

Exactly the kind of divisive and simplistic rhetoric you'd expect from a conman. The left is 50% of the country. No elected leaders are calling for domestic terrorism or pardoning any of these people, ever. Musk can't accept any responsibility at all as usual. He's more visible than Trump and has already done multiple illegal things completely unapologetically and is ratcheting up the division. And I'm not saying domestic terrorism is okay, but maybe don't start your presidency by flagrantly ignoring judges, breaking the law repeatedly, pardoning hundreds of domestic terrorists and telling everyone that "he who saves the country breaks no law" while threatening to illegally invade Canada, Greenland and Gaza over and over. Every minute they've been in office has been an enthusiastic promotion of the destruction of the rule of law. Trump is the president of all Americans left and right and should take responsibility for bringing down the temperature, using responsible rhetoric, and maybe stop ignoring judges. A judge just ruled that the USAID wholesale cut was unconstitutional. Probationary mass firings was illegal. Deporting Venezuelans right after a judge blocked it was illegal and is literally a constitutional crisis since they purposefully ignored it. Someone has to step up and start acting like an adult and a president for all Americans because the alternative is just chaos and a police state. Trust me there is plenty of hate and violence to go around on all sides when we have brazen lawlessness coming from the very top and bubbling up from the bottom. It will just escalate back and forth on each side. People can keep score but in the end everyone loses.

If you guys still think this is a left / right thing you've lost the plot. We're on the brink of not being a nation ruled by law. I gather from some of the outraged posts here some of you still like laws. If you still can't think outside the box of left vs right I'll just point out the obvious which is that Robert's is clearly on the right.

 
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Exactly the kind of divisive and simplistic rhetoric you'd expect from a conman. The left is 50% of the country. No elected leaders are calling for domestic terrorism or pardoning any of these people, ever. Musk can't accept any responsibility at all as usual. He's more visible than Trump and has already done multiple illegal things completely unapologetically and is ratcheting up the division. And I'm not saying domestic terrorism is okay, but maybe don't start your presidency by flagrantly ignoring judges, breaking the law repeatedly, pardoning hundreds of domestic terrorists and telling everyone that "he who saves the country breaks no law" while threatening to illegally invade Canada, Greenland and Gaza over and over. Every minute they've been in office has been an enthusiastic promotion of the destruction of the rule of law. Trump is the president of all Americans left and right and should take responsibility for bringing down the temperature, using responsible rhetoric, and maybe stop ignoring judges. A judge just ruled that the USAID wholesale cut was unconstitutional. Probationary mass firings was illegal. Deporting Venezuelans right after a judge blocked it was illegal and is literally a constitutional crisis since they purposefully ignored it. Someone has to step up and start acting like an adult and a president for all Americans because the alternative is just chaos and a police state. Trust me there is plenty of hate and violence to go around on all sides when we have brazen lawlessness coming from the very top and bubbling up from the bottom. It will just escalate back and forth on each side. People can keep score but in the end everyone loses.

If you guys still think this is a left / right thing you've lost the plot. We're on the brink of not being a nation ruled by law. I gather from some of the outraged posts here some of you still like laws. If you still can't think outside the box of left vs right I'll just point out the obvious which is that Robert's is clearly on the right.

I am happier today than I was 6 months ago, that's all I can say
 

DrFigs

Member
He is the shadow president, so he would be in a position to know. But how can he be so sure it was the left and not a concerned constitutionalist republican?
 

a'la mode

Member
Reposting tweets from Musk dickrider accounts isn't really making any kind of a point, it's just noise and/or trying to bury uncomfortable points. Especially if it's just positing all criticism and dislike of Musk as simply Dem/crazy left noise - that is just intellectually bankrupt, but then again they're already playing fast and loose with facts so there's only so much you can expect from them.

It's quite possible to dislike Musk regardless of political leaning, although this kind of non-critical adulation certainly tends towards a certain demographic.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member

He's not wrong.

Whenever there's major shit like looting, seattle chop zones, insane mobbing and protesting, now add Tesla car burning, it's almost always a left wing response. American presidency is basically a 50/50 split rotating every 4 or 8 years from one side to the other. So you'd think any big chaotic situations would be a 50/50 split.

Nope. It's pretty much always left wing people.
 

a'la mode

Member
He's not wrong.

Whenever there's major shit like looting, seattle chop zones, insane mobbing and protesting, now add Tesla car burning, it's almost always a left wing response. American presidency is basically a 50/50 split rotating every 4 or 8 years from one side to the other. So you'd think any big chaotic situations would be a 50/50 split.

Nope. It's pretty much always left wing people.

That's very selective and intellectually dishonest too; looting, for example, is often a crime of opportunity, a side effect of criminal material taking advantage of a protest or a riot.

Someone more inclined to spend time on arguing this could list the various instances where groups like Proud Boys have been going around causing problems, white supremacists plowing cars into people, and other fun and happy family activities from recent years. And there was that little thing.. what was it again? J6? Something like that. But who keeps count, right?

It's okay to lean either left or right, but you can't be closing your eyes from the parts that are not convenient for you, that's just intellectually dishonest. Criticizing your team isn't always fun but it's just as necessary as criticizing the other team. Be better, be a McCain republican! :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:
 

Toons

Member
He's not wrong.

Whenever there's major shit like looting, seattle chop zones, insane mobbing and protesting, now add Tesla car burning, it's almost always a left wing response. American presidency is basically a 50/50 split rotating every 4 or 8 years from one side to the other. So you'd think any big chaotic situations would be a 50/50 split.

Nope. It's pretty much always left wing people.

Do you have proof the ppl who set those cars on fire were leftist? Was there an arrest? A trial? All I see is some cars on fire.

Look how easy to manipulate some of you have become. Don't even need to provide evidence anymore. Just show burning cars and point the fingers and the people who got their biases confirmed with repeat it as fact.

Lol we are so cooked as a society if this keeps up.
 
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He's not wrong.

Whenever there's major shit like looting, seattle chop zones, insane mobbing and protesting, now add Tesla car burning, it's almost always a left wing response. American presidency is basically a 50/50 split rotating every 4 or 8 years from one side to the other. So you'd think any big chaotic situations would be a 50/50 split.

Nope. It's pretty much always left wing people.
 

Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable
Some of you guys are crazy, trying to say

"look at all these people setting fire to things who are representative of everyone who didn't vote for elon Trump, that's what they're all like."

The same people making claims like that presumably feel that the people who stormed the capital with the outgoing president's blessing a few years ago aren't representative of all voters who didn't tick the box next to Joe Biden's name.

Why such broad strokes in one situation and yet so much nuance in the other?
 
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