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[Punished Miku]

If I remember correctly, during Trumps first term, he fired 65 aids. Mostly because if anyone disagreed with him.
So I can imagine some people watching that transgender mouse nonsense happening and preferring to keep quit, just to keep their job.

Staff leak a lot to the press, same as his first term. Was a big issue that he never could fix. Even staffed to the max with loyalists there is still almost always someone being a fly on the wall that thinks its crazy and passes it on to a reporter. They already have had every major meeting leak descriptions, and multiple emails. Someone just put out recorded audio just yesterday of a conversation stating they don't know what the "DOGE kids" are doing with the social security data currently, which is literally illegal.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Staff leak a lot to the press, same as his first term. Was a big issue that he never could fix. Even staffed to the max with loyalists there is still almost always someone being a fly on the wall that thinks its crazy and passes it on to a reporter. They already have had every major meeting leak descriptions, and multiple emails. Someone just put out recorded audio just yesterday of a conversation stating they don't know what the "DOGE kids" are doing with the social security data currently, which is literally illegal.

I imagine that some Americans feel like some British people did post Brexit. Disbelief at how inept and dangerous the guys in charge are.

 

[winjer]

Staff leak a lot to the press, same as his first term. Was a big issue that he never could fix. Even staffed to the max with loyalists there is still almost always someone being a fly on the wall that thinks its crazy and passes it on to a reporter. They already have had every major meeting leak descriptions, and multiple emails. Someone just put out recorded audio just yesterday of a conversation stating they don't know what the "DOGE kids" are doing with the social security data currently, which is literally illegal.

It's good that people are leaking that info, especially with an Administration that has little to no respect for the rule of law, checks and balances and separation of powers.

 

[Auto_aim1]

I have to say these leftists do have a penchant for anarchy. I remember the REE episode where they were suicide posting here on GAF.

Bad things are going to happen to Tesla in the US and Europe. Elon's gonna learn the hard way.

 

[BlackTron]

"perceived bias?" They are biased. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that, I'm sure we can at least do that much. I simply trust sources that attempt to be more bipartisan than partisan and lie about it. When you have activists running news articles you're not getting news at all. Them quoting each other doesn't make things true either. So when we throw these sources around in order to discredit the other side in blind faith, what we're really doing is wasting each other's time. It's a problem and it doesn't help us have quality discussions here. And to be clear, I do think it's important to listen to your critics, but there's a tipping point where it becomes malicious.

^^^best is from the horse's mouth

He does have a point that it's good to soak in everything. I even watch stuff like the War Room with Steve Bannon. It's outrageous, but it's important not to stick your head in the sand, to understand how the perspectives and belief systems work, and where they came from. Friends close and enemies closer, as they say. You want a full picture of how we could ever move on without history repeating itself. Hint to democrats: try something else.

 

[Hari Seldon]

A moderate Democrat has to step in that can harness discontent over Trump/Musk into a giant missile. It has to be someone not woke to garner enough excitement. Democrats need to strategically reassess their voters and issues to save the country. I don't know who it might be yet, if anyone. If pulled off, they might have mythological status in history, with their own federal holiday and everything.

Step 1 is to actually have a primary.

 

[Auto_aim1]

He does have a point that it's good to soak in everything. I even watch stuff like the War Room with Steve Bannon. It's outrageous, but it's important not to stick your head in the sand, to understand how the perspectives and belief systems work, and where they came from. Friends close and enemies closer, as they say. You want a full picture of how we could ever move on without history repeating itself. Hint to democrats: try something else.

Still two years to go for midterms. We will have an idea then about how much damage Trump/Musk have done. Newsom will be 100% the.nominee in 2028.

 

[devilNprada]

Isn't this the 40 year old dude goes to college campuses and debates a bunch of kids?
Tells them not to get a college education and work as carpenters, and that college is a waste of time.
Meanwhile the worlds smartest people come here for an American PHD then go home to use it.
It's people like this that make it so the US is just not the best option anymore.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I’m sure this will help!

Oh ok. Definitely buying a Tesla now.

 

[RJMacready73]

And it was mentioned in an official White House statement. So no one is internally vetting anything. Too scared to push back, I suppose.

Rushing head first into a russian style Kleptocracy where everyone is afraid of Trump and only the wealthy prevail, I mean there's bound to be smart people in the Rep party, how/why they're sitting back and saying nothing is staggering, the two party system clearly doesn't work

 

[Cyberpunkd]

This means it'll hit $100 soon. Time to buy.

How the fuck does this guy still have a job?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Staff leak a lot to the press, same as his first term. Was a big issue that he never could fix. Even staffed to the max with loyalists there is still almost always someone being a fly on the wall that thinks its crazy and passes it on to a reporter. They already have had every major meeting leak descriptions, and multiple emails. Someone just put out recorded audio just yesterday of a conversation stating they don't know what the "DOGE kids" are doing with the social security data currently, which is literally illegal.

Nobody is a true loyalist to someone who so quickly throws people under the bus. Just the current set of hanger-on grifters.

 

[Punished Miku]

Nobody is a true loyalist to someone who so quickly throws people under the bus. Just the current set of hanger-on grifters.

I genuinely don't know. There's definitely a lot of that I'm sure. A lot of people he's working with have literally called him Hitler in the past, including his Vice President. Famous case is the leaked Tucker Carlson audio; gives a window into the weird dual mindset of someone that can't stand him, but publicly endorses anything he says. It's just a question of putting personal gain first I guess. But there are others who seem to treat him as a religious figure almost, so nothing would really surprise me honestly.

 

[Zathalus]

How the fuck does this guy still have a job?

He is actually decently accurate. Just by doing the opposite of what he says and you have a good chance of coming out on top.

 

[JimmyRustler]

So I’m just reading The Prince from Machiavelli and found this fitting paragraph:

These men and others like them who rise to sovereignty through their own abilities face all kinds of difficulties when setting up their states but then hold on to them fairly easily.
The initial difficulties depend in large part on the fact that in order to establish their government and guarantee its security they have to impose a new administrative system and new procedures. Here we have to bear in mind that nothing is harder to organize, more likely to fail, or more dangerous to see through, than the introduction of a new system of government. The person bringing in the changes will make enemies of everyone who was doing well under the old system, while the people who stand to gain from the new arrangements will not offer wholehearted support, partly because they are afraid of their opponents, who still have the laws on their side, and partly because people are naturally skeptical: no one really believes in change until they’ve had solid experience of it. So as soon as the opponents of the new system see a chance, they’ll go on the offensive with the determination of an embattled faction, while its supporters will offer only half-hearted resistance, something that will put the new ruler’s position at risk too.

Really curious to see how all this will pan out in the coming years. One thing I know is that I don’t trust anyone at the moment. But, like mentioned, I’m glad change is attempted at least.

 

[AJUMP23]

This will help Sales.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

"Everything's Computer!"

The fact that's being shared on Twitter makes it even better.

 

[Toons]

Elons going to fail eventually as all despots do. Im not worried about that. Hes not qualified, and when someone is in a position they are not qualified for but think they are, failure becomes an inevitability. The question is how many of us he takes with him.

Hes been telling us who he is for years now, very blatantly. A liar; a grifter, a person with no respect; who commands no respect from his own children, who doesn't raise his own children; and who will backstab ANYONE to get a keg up for himself. All of this has been promiently on display for a while now, so my opinion of him can't get much lower. Its just a shame we let him into the white house before everyone else opened their eyes.

 

[JayK47]

Season 2025 is entertaining for sure.

 

[Jsisto]

Elons going to fail eventually as all despots do. Im not worried about that. Hes not qualified, and when someone is in a position they are not qualified for but think they are, failure becomes an inevitability. The question is how many of us he takes with him.

Hes been telling us who he is for years now, very blatantly. A liar; a grifter, a person with no respect; who commands no respect from his own children, who doesn't raise his own children; and who will backstab ANYONE to get a keg up for himself. All of this has been promiently on display for a while now, so my opinion of him can't get much lower. Its just a shame we let him into the white house before everyone else opened their eyes.

I have to imagine there will reach a point where he becomes too much a liability for the party and they have to distance themselves out of self interest. At least I hope. The facade will have to come off at some point. It's kind of remarkable how unlikable he is to the majority of people compared to years ago. Anyone who is still a diehard Elon stan at this point I really have to question their sanity. This isnt even about politics. Its solely about Elon and how much of a complete imbecile he is.

 

[Toons]

I’m going to come into your house and destroy your shit. You seem to be cool with that.

Elon already forcibly made a grab for our personal information with no oversight or restrictions on what he can do with it. Sorry if I dont feel bad for his irobot project.

 

[LimanimaPT]

A moderate Democrat has to step in that can harness discontent over Trump/Musk into a giant missile. It has to be someone not woke to garner enough excitement. Democrats need to strategically reassess their voters and issues to save the country. I don't know who it might be yet, if anyone. If pulled off, they might have mythological status in history, with their own federal holiday and everything.

Yup. The two main factors that led Trump into power, IMHO, were DEI/woke shit that most people hate (me included) and the rampant imigration into the US. Both issues are Democrats fault, so, they are to blame for tall of this.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

A moderate Democrat has to step in that can harness discontent over Trump/Musk into a giant missile. It has to be someone not woke to garner enough excitement. Democrats need to strategically reassess their voters and issues to save the country. I don't know who it might be yet, if anyone. If pulled off, they might have mythological status in history, with their own federal holiday and everything.

Easier said then done because the Dems identity far years are far left topics. People might not like Trumps constant nagging about tariffs, taxes, immigration etc.... but at least those are economy/numbers kinds of topics. And it's understandable pending the situation if a politician bounces back and forth with low or high rates.

Dems focus are on cultural issues. And it's pretty hard for anyone to do a 180 because it looks bad on them, their people and it looks like they are copying the other party (like being a traitor).

So if Party X (Trump) says one thing, they have to go opposite or else they look like supporters of the other side.

And like anything in life, trying to scrape back even a smidge of money or assistance etc.... which a moderate Dem could focus on instead of Trump/Musk scorched earth is still not a good platform because its still being Scroogey scraping back. The identity of Dem for this is to be giving. Not clawing back. If the US was in a $100 Trillion deficit, it doesn't matter. Never claw back.

So thats why it so hard for Dems to make stances on topics that resonated with Americans this past election. If they try to move over a bit to the right, they will be perceived as unhelpful Trump supporters after all. So they stick with very black/white topics like trans rights in sports or abortions because those kinds of topics most people have a hard stance on no matter what. Its a yes or no answer. And they hoped there's enough of them to value these topics as priority topics that will win an election. Didnt work.

 

[Toons]

Yup. The two main factors that led Trump into power, IMHO, were DEI/woke shit that most people hate (me included) and the rampant imigration into the US. Both issues are Democrats fault,

Trump has killed numerous immigration bills that were proposed, or advised his supporters to do so. He notably killed one in 2017 that had Bipartisan support and even was endorsed by the Border Patrol. He did this so that he could help his campaign.

He doesn't care about the border. He cares about himself.

Elon Musk is hiring in foreigners on H1Bs for his own projects to save money... ain't that DEI too? Is the fight against DEI worth your parents and grandparents losing their social security and beign forced to work dead end jobs til they die? All those buzzwords matter real little when the loved ones cant support themselves.

 

[FullMetalx117]

Looks like checks and balances coming into play (finally) with a judge reinstating federal workers. Wonder how FAGA (fat asses gaslighting america) will respond

 

[DragoonKain]

I think Tesla as a company will be fine, and Elon will be fine... monetarily. But I think his reputation has taken a permanent hit in recent weeks/months. I was always ambivalent on Elon. Found him interesting, but was not a lover or hater. But dude has been completely obsessed with culture war nonsense, his ego has grown completely out of control to where he thinks he's right about everything, and he spends all day combing Twitter for confirmation bias of his opinions even if it comes from internet randos or radical accounts. And there's no doubt in my mind he's firing people based off these random Twitter accounts posting utter bullshit. Which he shouldn't have the authority or power to do so to begin with. Which may be even more disconcerting than the firings themselves.

He's a smart guy, but no one's smart on everything, and he's way out of his element when it comes to things outside of his niche obsessions, and with an ego that size, he's not willing to actually learn anything. He just wants to sit online all day and call people who correct him on his bullshit traitors and morons. Bunch of emotionally immature narcissistic children running the show.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Easier said then done because the Dems identity far years are far left topics. People might not like Trumps constant nagging about tariffs, taxes, immigration etc.... but at least those are economy/numbers kinds of topics. And it's understandable pending the situation if a politician bounces back and forth with low or high rates.

Dems focus are on cultural issues. And it's pretty hard for anyone to do a 180 because it looks bad on them, their people and it looks like they are copying the other party (like being a traitor).

So if Party X (Trump) says one thing, they have to go opposite or else they look like supporters of the other side.

And like anything in life, trying to scrape back even a smidge of money or assistance etc.... which a moderate Dem could focus on instead of Trump/Musk scorched earth is still not a good platform because its still being Scroogey scraping back. The identity of Dem for this is to be giving. Not clawing back. If the US was in a $100 Trillion deficit, it doesn't matter. Never claw back.

So thats why it so hard for Dems to make stances on topics that resonated with Americans this past election. If they try to move over a bit to the right, they will be perceived as unhelpful Trump supporters after all. So they stick with very black/white topics like trans rights in sports or abortions because those kinds of topics most people have a hard stance on no matter what. Its a yes or no answer. And they hoped there's enough of them to value these topics as priority topics that will win an election. Didnt work.

All true, but imo their biggest problem has been candidate quality. Harris got absolutely rejected by dem primary voters, but was chosen as VP for pure DEI reasons (it is not like they needed her to win CA lmao). Running someone for president who completely lost her only primary and was basically hidden from the public for 4 years was the complete wrong decision. They should have rushed a primary.

 

[Forsete]

This will help Sales.

Tesler! Everything is computer. OMFG.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think Tesla as a company will be fine, and Elon will be fine... monetarily. But I think his reputation has taken a permanent hit in recent weeks/months. I was always ambivalent on Elon. Found him interesting, but was not a lover or hater. But dude has been completely obsessed with culture war nonsense, his ego has grown completely out of control to where he thinks he's right about everything, and he spends all day combing Twitter for confirmation bias of his opinions even if it comes from internet randos or radical accounts. And there's no doubt in my mind he's firing people based off these random Twitter accounts posting utter bullshit. Which he shouldn't have the authority or power to do so to begin with. Which may be even more disconcerting than the firings themselves.

He's a smart guy, but no one's smart on everything, and he's way out of his element when it comes to things outside of his niche obsessions, and with an ego that size, he's not willing to actually learn anything. He just wants to sit online all day and call people who correct him on his bullshit traitors and morons. Bunch of emotionally immature narcissistic children running the show.

I think what people dont like is trump/Musk tact.

Even though they still won the election, I think even the most hardcore fan knows they can be belittling or chidish. And overexposure too on TV all the time.

It really comes down to if people care about the policies or the person. It's like crack addict Rob Ford being voted in as mayor. He's a fat slob who did drugs. But people still voted him in and loved him in office. So it shows some people dont care about his personal life. But some people value that more than policy so they'd never vote for a drug user.

The difference between you, me, and Trump/Musk is that if we all needed to fire 10,000 people, you and me would do it a boring company memo using PR people to soften the public message. Trump would nag about it on TV as he's on camera every day it seems, while Musk would laugh on Twitter and hold a chainsaw.

The end result is actually the same. But the message and tone is different. Given how brash Trump/Musk have been forever, I think it's got to a point a lot of Americans just want change and results even they know they can both act like idiots on TV.

 

[XXL]

He's a smart guy, but no one's smart on everything, and he's way out of his element when it comes to things outside of his niche obsessions, and with an ego that size, he's not willing to actually learn anything. He just wants to sit online all day and call people who correct him on his bullshit traitors and morons. Bunch of emotionally immature narcissistic children running the show.

This is pretty much exactly what people said about Trump in 2016.

How that work out?

I think this (like most things involving Elon/Tesla/SpaceX) will end up being insanely wrong.

I've been hearing how it's going to be over for Tesla, SpaceX and Elon for over 10 years now.

Again how'd that work out?

He now owns Twitter, stopped the far lefts strangle hold on social media, Tesla has the best selling vehicle in the world, he is working with the Government to cut waste, he has become one of the wealthiest people in the entire world, SpaceX is doing what others couldn't and they are about to launch mass market robots in the next few years.

But yeah, I'm sure this time will be different.....

 

[GloveSlap]

They are so dumb that they read transgenic mice, which are used for medical research, and thought it's transgender.
Trump and his gang are so dumb, they can't even understand something so simple.

This keeps getting posted but this debunk has been debunked.

Fact Check: President Trump Did NOT Mistake 'Transgenic' For 'Transgender' While Talking About Mice Before Congress | Lead Stories

Did President Donald Trump confuse research on transgenic mice with research involving "making mice transgender," when addressing Congress, as some...

leadstories.com

FACT CHECK: Does the U.S. government fund studies aimed at 'making mice transgender'?

During his joint address to Congress on Tuesday, President Donald Trump claimed the federal government has spent $8 million on 'making mice transgender.'

www.wcpo.com

Even the extremely biased Snopes admitted that the 8 million transgenic mice thing is some unrelated story from 2018 that got pulled up for a quick Tik Tok gotcha video.

Analyzing claim Trump confused 'transgenic mice' with 'transgender mice' in address to Congress

Some social media users suggested Trump mistakenly said "transgender" instead of "transgenic."

www.snopes.com

Mice and other animals aren't being given cross-sex hormones just to do it of course, but it is happening.

 

[Rentahamster]

I saw about 4 Rivians driving around yesterday alone. Feels good. Did you guys see the recent Fox interview Musk did yesterday? He was asked about his businesses and it looked like he was about to cry. The boycotts are working. Don't ever reverse course on it.

He then went on to lie again, numerous times, about the most popular and critically sensitive government program in existence - social security.

• He claimed that the left only wants Social Security so that we can entice illegal aliens to come in the country to vote.
  • Fact: Illegal immigrants do not collect social security.
  • Fact: Illegal immigrants pay into social security approximately $26 billion through taxes but never collect. They are essentially subsidizing American citizens' social security. He is exactly 180 degrees wrong, lying on purpose.
  • Fact: Illegal immigrants can't vote.

Lie, Lie, Lie. This was yesterday. Fuck this guy. They are trying to lie that social security is wildly fraudulent so they can cut the most popular program in the country; almost solely responsible for severely reducing elder poverty. Trump never even campaigned on this, and repeatedly said he would never touch social security. Lie.

I'm open to anyone trying to improve how government works, be it Musk or whoever else wants to dedicate time and energy into public service, as long as they are doing it honestly and competently. However listening to Elon's recent Rogan podcast appearance, hearing him refer to Social Security as a "Ponzi Scheme", and then poorly explaining what he means by that, leads me to think that his priorities are ideological demagoguery and corporate interests, rather than actual positive change that affects the common man.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Musk's best appearance in public yet has been when he was in the oval office with his kid. Not because of his kid, but because he was actually quite humble and respectful to concerns people have about what he's doing. He admitted mistakes will be made, but said they'd go back and correct those mistakes when they found them. It sounded nothing like Musk lately before or after that day, who has not at all seemed humble or respectful of concern when preaching to his choir. Musk really is his own worst enemy when it comes to PR, I completely agree.

There's also the issue of speed. Realistically, there's a good chance that any momentum of this situation will be either stopped or slowed by midterms. That fact incentivizes and practically requires moving with a level of speed that is going to lead to mistakes. I'm not suggesting that's okay, but it's just the reality of the situation, and the reason things like this will happen. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the size of government to be reduced to levels that neither political party would have ever done on their own.

They are so dumb that they read transgenic mice, which are used for medical research, and thought it's transgender.
Trump and his gang are so dumb, they can't even understand something so simple.

And it was mentioned in an official White House statement. So no one is internally vetting anything. Too scared to push back, I suppose.

This whole narrative of transgenic vs transgender isn't true. I posted this video earlier in the thread. This is a researcher who has been exposing animal testing for years, and I think he's mostly worked with democrats in the past.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'm open to anyone trying to improve how government works, be it Musk or whoever else wants to dedicate time and energy into public service, as long as they are doing it honestly and competently. However listening to Elon's recent Rogan podcast appearance, hearing him refer to Social Security as a "Ponzi Scheme", and then poorly explaining what he means by that, leads me to think that his priorities are ideological demagoguery and corporate interests, rather than actual positive change that affects the common man.

Eliminating government waste and fraud is literally one of the least controversial things ever. Everyone is open to someone carefully spending tax dollars responsibly and getting the money to not be wasted. 100% not what's happening though, on any level.

It's like telling everyone you're running on "making America great again." Sounds awesome. Just got to get into those details and see what's actually happening.

If anyone was concerned with waste, fraud, deficits the first thing they'd do is fund the IRS and triple their staff. Every dollar spent returns like $13. It's incredibly efficient. Next thing they'd do is double the staff of the CFPB, who have already returned billions in corporate fraudulent funds directly to consumers. They were the 1st agency to get gutted. Next thing they'd do is not pass a giant tax cut until they have balanced their budget through careful study of government efficiency and see that we have a surplus. Literally none of this is happening. They fired the people that are in charge of government program audits, the Inspectors General, within the 1st week.

Trump and Musk are both famous fraudsters and con artists, and they're in charge of finding fraud. How do you think that's going to go?

 

[Rentahamster]

I’m sure this will help!

"The edgelord shitposting will continue until morale improves!"

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm open to anyone trying to improve how government works, be it Musk or whoever else wants to dedicate time and energy into public service, as long as they are doing it honestly and competently. However listening to Elon's recent Rogan podcast appearance, hearing him refer to Social Security as a "Ponzi Scheme", and then poorly explaining what he means by that, leads me to think that his priorities are ideological demagoguery and corporate interests, rather than actual positive change that affects the common man.

I didnt listen to the podcast. I've only listened to a few Joe videos since there's no way I'm sitting around for 3 hours. I just look for the popular celebs and skim through them. I find many boring as hell like where I bailed on listening to Mel Gibson.

As for Ponzi Scheme, there's two ways of looking at it assuming he's talking about it like a thing that collects money, pays off people and is in deficit (cant keep up).

Someone can claim it is one because the net result is no different than someone trying to make money in a known scam that was designed from the beginning to fail at some point. So if it's designed to be a shortfall collapse begging to happen it can be seen as a scam.

Someone can also say it is not. Though the situation is not good, it's failing based on pure business and strategy issues. And wasnt intended or designed as a scam from the beginning.

 

[Rentahamster]

A moderate Democrat has to step in that can harness discontent over Trump/Musk into a giant missile. It has to be someone not woke to garner enough excitement. Democrats need to strategically reassess their voters and issues to save the country. I don't know who it might be yet, if anyone. If pulled off, they might have mythological status in history, with their own federal holiday and everything.

I disagree. There's a reason Bernie Sander's rebuttal got way more traction than the one from moderate Democrats.

I have a hunch that we'd be in a lot better place as a country if Bernie Sanders had been the Democratic Presidential nominee in 2016 or 2020. Moderate Democrats are so pathetic and addicted to their rich donor gravy train that they'd rather have someone like Donald Trump be president than Bernie Sanders. That's why they sabotaged Sanders in the 2016 primaries and again in the 2020 primaries. A lot of disaffected and disillusioned people wanted real change after the lack of change from Barack "Change" Obama, and if they weren't going to get it from Sanders, they were going to get it from Trump, as a big fuck you to the system, regardless of the consequences.

 

[XXL]

It's like telling everyone you're running on "making America great again." Sounds awesome. Just got to get into those details and see what's actually happening.

Trump's Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick (just last night) said their plan is to have no tax for anyone making less than 150K in the US.

No taxes if you earn less than $150k. Donald Trump's plan explained

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has said that massive tax cuts would be balanced by tackling overseas tax fraud.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Punished Miku]

Trump's Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick (just last night) said their plan is to have no tax for anyone making less than 150K in the US.

No taxes if you earn less than $150k. Donald Trump's plan explained

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has said that massive tax cuts would be balanced by tackling overseas tax fraud.

www.newsweek.com

Sounds like a dumb plan. Taxes fund many important services.

 

[ProtoByte]

Eliminating government waste and fraud is literally one of the least controversial things ever. Everyone is open to someone carefully spending tax dollars responsibly and getting the money to not be wasted.

Apparently not. Definitions of waste vary a lot. For example:

If anyone was concerned with waste, fraud, deficits the first thing they'd do is fund the IRS and triple their staff.

Lmao, no you fucking wouldn't.
You'd simplify the tax code and slash the IRS, increase standards and change workflows.

More unionized government workers does the exact opposite of making the government more efficient or of a higher quality at this position we're at.

 

[Punished Miku]

Apparently not. Definitions of waste vary a lot. For example:


Lmao, no you fucking wouldn't.
You'd simplify the tax code and slash the IRS, increase standards and change workflows.

More unionized government workers does the exact opposite of making the government more efficient or of a higher quality at this position we're at.

IRS staff aren't a drain on any spending. They are how we get the money for all spending, and they only can collect what is already legally supposed to be collected.

Simplifying the tax code is a legislative project.

 

[Rentahamster]

Lmao, no you fucking wouldn't.
You'd simplify the tax code and slash the IRS, increase standards and change workflows.

How do you catch all the people skimping out on their taxes by slashing the IRS?

 

[Punished Miku]

How do you catch all the people skimping out on their taxes by slashing the IRS?

The point is to underfund it to the point it can barely function or follow the existing law. This allows massive amounts of tax fraud.

Funny coincidence, this is their vision for all of government. "Waste, fraud and abuse." Just keep repeating it and don't think too hard.

 

[Rentahamster]

I didnt listen to the podcast. I've only listened to a few Joe videos since there's no way I'm sitting around for 3 hours. I just look for the popular celebs and skim through them. I find many boring as hell like where I bailed on listening to Mel Gibson.

As for Ponzi Scheme, there's two ways of looking at it assuming he's talking about it like a thing that collects money, pays off people and is in deficit (cant keep up).

Someone can claim it is one because the net result is no different than someone trying to make money in a known scam that was designed from the beginning to fail at some point. So if it's designed to be a shortfall collapse begging to happen it can be seen as a scam.

Someone can also say it is not. Though the situation is not good, it's failing based on pure business and strategy issues. And wasnt intended or designed as a scam from the beginning.

On a very superficial level, someone can say that social security shares similar characteristics of a Ponzi Scheme in structure, but that ignores all the substantial ways in which they are different. A social program reinforced by the stability of the United States government that involves every citizen is nowhere near the same level as a small scale get rich quick scheme put together in the private sector. One of the main problems of a Ponzi Scheme is that the Ponzi will cut and run with everyone's money. That's not going to happen with Social Security unless people like Elon (ironically) actively sabotage it. One of the main problems with Social Security is that it was designed during a time of more wealth equality in a worker-driven economy with less productivity per worker. That can be updated to consider the massive productivity gains over the last 100 years and tailored to match the economy as how it operates today.

 

[Rat Rage]

The only good thing about Elon Musk is that he's a fucking idiot, and by that I mean the way he constantly exposes his rotten, autistic, sociopathic "true" character to the whole fucking world to see.

I truly believe more people should leave twitter (X - what a fucking stupid name) to some sort of alternative, preferably open source.

 

[a'la mode]

One of the main problems with Social Security is that it was designed during a time of more wealth inequality in a worker-driven economy with less productivity per worker. That can be updated to consider the massive productivity gains over the last 100 years and tailored to match the economy as how it operates today.

Are you saying there was more wealth inequality in the past than there is right now?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

How do you catch all the people skimping out on their taxes by slashing the IRS?

 

[Rentahamster]

Are you saying there was more wealth inequality in the past than there is right now?

Oops, typo. Not in the past. It's obvious there's more now.

 

[Toons]

How do you catch all the people skimping out on their taxes by slashing the IRS?

it's the people skimping out that he's trying to protect lmao

Its great if you're a corporate billionaire who doesn't want those pesky taxes to actually fund the things that help the people of this country and cut into your vast amount of wealth your great grandkids will flaunt over their peers. They always have a bunch of ways of dodging taxes.

If you're one of those poors, you might he able to skimp out of a few taxes but who cares? Youre gonna be flipping burgers at 80 anyway because that will be the only way to stay off the street

 

[Rat Rage]

EDIT: maybe too political.