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The RTX 50 Disaster (Gamers Nexus)
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HeisenbergFX4
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The Skull
Member
We can hope. Fresh from AMD
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Kazdane
Member
I have a RTX 3070 and I was thinking about upgrading my GPU, either to a RTX 5070 (or even Ti if the price wasn't absurd) or an RX 9070 (or XT) depending on price). Now it's looking like I'll keep using it for two more years. It's just insane how much the GPU landscape has changed since 2020 for the worse... I hope AMD doesn't follow the greedy path...
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ResilientBanana
Member
Remember when their CPU burnt through motherboards? Pepperridge farm remembers.
First thing the guy says in the video .5% of cards are having issues. That's fairly low for HW defects.
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salva
Member
I'm in the same boat! I've got a 3070ti and was looking to go to a 5070/ti. But fuck that price.
I'm thinking to also go back to team red after a long time, but yeah, depends on the 9070/xt price
willothedog
Member
and 90% of gamers buy Nvidia.....
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This is the worst NVIDIA generation ever. I know Steve mentioned Turing, but Turing was far better than this.
The flagship 2080 Ti, although only 25-30% faster than the 1080 Ti and costing 42% did have DLSS (even though DLSS was trash at first) and good RT performance when RT made it into the market.
The upgrades to performance were poor compared to Pascal, but at least the x80 card went up a full tier, with the 2080 being as fast or slightly faster than the 1080 Ti, so around a 25-30% performance increase gen-on-gen. The 5080 in contrast isn't even 20% faster. Yes, the 2080 saw a significant price hike going from $500 to $700, but again, DLSS ended up being a game changer and RT wasn't too bad on this card.
The 2070 and 2060 saw great performance uplifts compared to their predecessors.
Also, no burning cables or missing ROPs. Turing was much better than this trash.
The flagship 2080 Ti, although only 25-30% faster than the 1080 Ti and costing 42% did have DLSS (even though DLSS was trash at first) and good RT performance when RT made it into the market.
The upgrades to performance were poor compared to Pascal, but at least the x80 card went up a full tier, with the 2080 being as fast or slightly faster than the 1080 Ti, so around a 25-30% performance increase gen-on-gen. The 5080 in contrast isn't even 20% faster. Yes, the 2080 saw a significant price hike going from $500 to $700, but again, DLSS ended up being a game changer and RT wasn't too bad on this card.
The 2070 and 2060 saw great performance uplifts compared to their predecessors.
Also, no burning cables or missing ROPs. Turing was much better than this trash.
Paasei
Member
Same for me. Also with a RTX 3070 and wanting to upgrade, because well, vram truly is an issue the last 2 gens or so. 8GB is apparently lackluster these days.
I'm in "luck" that I still play my games on 1080p, simply because my monitor is old and doesn't support higher resolutions. It's still very doable because of that.
Maybe go back to AMD if it turns out to be good.
GHG
Gold Member
It's not low.
For modern standards, that's 5x higher than it should be, and those that are defective should never make it in to consumers hands.
These are chips that should have been repurposed for 5080 and 5070 cards (for the defective 5090 and 5070 ti cards respectively).
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lmimmfn
Member
If FSR4 delivers and if ray tracing performance isn't crap, I'd jump to AMD to get away from NVidia and my last 4 cards have been NVidia: 780ti, 980Ti, 1080Ti, 4070Ti
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Zimmy68
Member
Well deserved. They are the reasons these prices are so high.This dude is goodimagine paying so much (even more to scalpers) to face this disaster.
Guardian Monkey
Member
From gpt
The normal GPU defect rate varies depending on the manufacturer, production process, and quality control standards. However, here are some general industry norms:
• Manufacturing Defect Rate: Typically, the defect rate for GPUs at the factory level is between 0.5% and 3%. This includes issues detected during initial testing before shipping.
• Early Failure Rate (DOA - Dead on Arrival): Most reputable manufacturers see a DOA rate below 1%.
• Field Failure Rate (RMA - Return Merchandise Authorization): Over the first year of use, the failure rate for consumer GPUs is usually between 1% and 5%, with high-end models sometimes seeing slightly higher rates due to complexity and higher power draw.
• Long-Term Failure Rate: GPUs generally have a lifespan of 5-10 years, with failure rates increasing after several years due to wear and tear, overheating, or manufacturing defects that manifest later.
Factors like overclocking, inadequate cooling, and power supply issues can contribute to higher failure rates.
Buggy Loop
Member
Or the Vapor chamber recall in 7000 series
Or they fucked up their wave32 architecturally but who cares, no time to delay, stock market expects a card out pronto.
Idleyes
Gold Member
Sounds like NVIDIA decided to be extra efficient and ship out the full 3% failure rate all at once to get them out of the way.
ReyBrujo
Member
They just need some marketing making fun of Nvidia, bring back the old days. "Why go for 92% ROPs when you can get 100% with us", "All your ROPs are belong to us? No, to you" or silly stuff like that, reddit generation will eat that whole.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Is it possible for a console to ship with missing ROPs and still work and none be the wiser?
Buggy Loop
Member
0.5% is 5 times higher than it should be?
Based on what?
Old but usual :
Code:
- 2,53% Radeon HD 7850
- 1,66% Radeon HD 7870
- 10,28% Radeon HD 7950
- 7,63% Radeon HD 7970
- 2,81% Radeon R9 270
- 5,79% Radeon R9 270X
- 8,81% Radeon R9 280X
- 6,63% Radeon R9 290
- 5,58% Radeon R9 290X
- 1,57% GeForce GTX 660
- 2,57% GeForce GTX 760
- 3,16% GeForce GTX 770
- 4,75% GeForce GTX 780
- 2,91% GeForce GTX 780 Ti
- 1,33% GeForce GTX TITAN/BLACKMore recently
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Failure Rates Reportedly At 11%, RMA's Piling Up But Users Not Receiving Cards
AMD still feels thinks that the number of affected Radeon RX 7900 XTX is "small," but thousands of consumers are feeling the brunt of it.
wccftech.com
Or CPUs
But it’s not enough dRAmaTIC to farm YouTube clicks when you apply industry wide failure rates
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GHG
Gold Member
0.5% is 5 times higher than it should be?
Based on what?
Old but usual :
Code:- 2,53% Radeon HD 7850 - 1,66% Radeon HD 7870 - 10,28% Radeon HD 7950 - 7,63% Radeon HD 7970 - 2,81% Radeon R9 270 - 5,79% Radeon R9 270X - 8,81% Radeon R9 280X - 6,63% Radeon R9 290 - 5,58% Radeon R9 290X - 1,57% GeForce GTX 660 - 2,57% GeForce GTX 760 - 3,16% GeForce GTX 770 - 4,75% GeForce GTX 780 - 2,91% GeForce GTX 780 Ti - 1,33% GeForce GTX TITAN/BLACK
More recently
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Failure Rates Reportedly At 11%, RMA's Piling Up But Users Not Receiving Cards
AMD still feels thinks that the number of affected Radeon RX 7900 XTX is "small," but thousands of consumers are feeling the brunt of it.
Or CPUs
But it’s not enough dRAmaTIC to farm YouTube clicks when you apply industry wide failure rates
This is a manufacturing defect rate, not a failure rate.
Buggy Loop
Member
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
That’s not the point at all. These aren’t hardware failures. Steve mentioned he’s been to their factory and seen the validation software they use, and they would have definitely known those ROPs were disabled. He’s heavily inferring that it was malice on Nvidia’s part, and they knowingly shipped those while lying about the specs.
0.5% is 5 times higher than it should be?
Based on what?
Old but usual :
Code:- 2,53% Radeon HD 7850 - 1,66% Radeon HD 7870 - 10,28% Radeon HD 7950 - 7,63% Radeon HD 7970 - 2,81% Radeon R9 270 - 5,79% Radeon R9 270X - 8,81% Radeon R9 280X - 6,63% Radeon R9 290 - 5,58% Radeon R9 290X - 1,57% GeForce GTX 660 - 2,57% GeForce GTX 760 - 3,16% GeForce GTX 770 - 4,75% GeForce GTX 780 - 2,91% GeForce GTX 780 Ti - 1,33% GeForce GTX TITAN/BLACK
More recently
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Failure Rates Reportedly At 11%, RMA's Piling Up But Users Not Receiving Cards
AMD still feels thinks that the number of affected Radeon RX 7900 XTX is "small," but thousands of consumers are feeling the brunt of it.
Or CPUs
But it’s not enough dRAmaTIC to farm YouTube clicks when you apply industry wide failure rates
The issue is that this problem isn't failure related. These are QA failures where the card isn't to specification when sold which is pretty weird. Failure rates themselves are probably going to be fine though as we haven't heard much of significance about non-working cards
GHG
Gold Member
No, here we are talking about GPUs not being capable of delivering the spec advertised due to defective silicon at the point of manufacturing.
Like I previously said, usually these are the chips that get repurposed for lower tier cards, but somehow they've ended up being packaged up as full fat 5090 and 5070ti cards.
lughnasadh123
Member
The cost of being PCMR.
phant0m
Member
terrible. non-XT needs to be $499 and they will eat Nvidia's lunch if RDNA4 really is all it's hyped up to be
Idleyes
Gold Member
Senua
Member
Did you get one at MSRP?
Luckily I don't have a problem with my 5090
Buggy Loop
Member
Yes and no, I secured a prebuilt like HeisenbergFX to get it.
Skifi28
Member
Nvidia is not exactly making it difficult for him.
GHG
Gold Member
When you get a part that is DOA it's typically because something has gone wrong during the final point of packaging, after all the final checks have been made.
Videos here:
And here:
Show this.
See, now you're just being an attack dog, in typical fashion when it comes to your recent fetish of running defence for these huge corpos who don't give a shit about you. I've not once said or implied that this is part of some grander conspiracy.
This isn't something they've tried to get away with by pulling the wool over people's eyes, something went horrendously wrong during their QC process. They've since been quick to address it and estimate what percentage of cards are effected, but in no way is this sort of thing normal.
Do people typically buy Ferrari cars only to find the V12 that the car is advertised to have is missing 4 cylinders? Because this is the equivalent of that, and you somehow seem to be struggling to wrap your head around it.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Intel used to shoot for < 5 DPM. 5 Defects per million and that was chips that left the factory. At least that was the internal target and when I worked there back in 09 they were hovering around 1 DPM. That's why I felt like I won the lottery when my 9xxx series chip was defective and was RMAing the board before even thinking Intel fucked up.
I am not up to speed on the ROP thing. If it is .5% bad chips that is fucking incompetence. It has to be something else right?
GHG
Gold Member
It's most likely a batch of chips that were supposed to end up in the "repurpose" pile, somehow ended up in the pile that passed all of the necessary checks.
How that's happened, only Nvidia and TSMC know.
Buggy Loop
Member
And QC process does not stop just at chipset. Vapor chamber is not only a design failure but also a QC failure.
In fact ROPs is not necessarily seen at foundry manufacturing stage as unless there’s an obvious contamination, they are limited in testing. Most of the binning happens after packaging, just like CPUs they test after packaging more than any other process as it can now interface with debugging hardware. There’s only so much you can debug on the scales of foundry nodes and imagery detection. After packaging the diagnostic detects what’s damaged and software locks to correct binning.
This is no different than a DOA GPU or CPU slipping by QC process. All that is tested multiple times at packaging. Why it even happens at all is a mystery, but all components have it.
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SmoothBrain
Member
That 0.5% is from Nvidia. And they like to talk shit a lot. The MSRP, for example.
Same. I'm also not a fan of the power connector, the 600w+ power draw, or the $3000+ price tag. I don't have an air conditioner, so playing games during summer is going to give me super sweaty balls. No thanks, man.
