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The RTX 50 Disaster (Gamers Nexus)
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jmiller180
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There is a "disaster" with every single launch, guys. A lot of people stirring the pot for clicks and views. I don't doubt some people have legitimate issues, but I am guessing they are far from the norm. The only "big" problem I see is availability, and that is 100% Nvidia's fault - they have a much better idea of demand and could have stockpiled before announcing / releasing.
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
AMD save me....
GymWolf
Member
Do i get to install them 5 days earlier if i buy the manlet leather jacket edition?!
GHG
Gold Member
I've already explained why this type of defect is different and you still keep at it with the false equivalences.
You really think that the only time something like ROP count would get tested for is once retail hobbyists get their hands on the hardware and test it using GPUZ? Please be serious.
Again, no, this is very different from DOA hardware, as explained before.
You continuously repeating incorrect information and feelings won't suddenly make you correct along with making all of this go away for Nvidia.
Celcius
°Temp. member
Did you come to the thread just to troll and contribute nothing?
On topic: They need to update the driver installer or the app to check your card's specs and let you know if you're affected
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Senua
Member
Hey he made me giggle
Buggy Loop
Member
I've already explained why this type of defect is different and you still keep at it with the false equivalences.
You really think that the only time something like ROP count would get tested for is once retail hobbyists get their hands on the hardware and test it using GPUZ? Please be serious.
Again, no, this is very different from DOA hardware, as explained before.
You continuously repeating incorrect information and feelings won't suddenly make you correct along with making all of this go away for Nvidia.
GHG, why are you acting like a dumbass?
Where did I say that it’s when peoples put in their PC that they realize there‘a something wrong and that it’s normal? Just like DOA component, it’s QC slippage, both should never happen.
Or are you making the case that DOA components slipping QC is just fine? A thing that happens naturally? Are you going in that direction?
A dead CPU or GPU or something fucked up in silicon that have black screens or missing features all have the same thing in common, QC failure. All companies have it, all of them. You got a 4% performance drop rather than a dead GPU with 100% killed. Both are QC failures, both are easy RMA
All of these components are thoroughly tested after packaging, even Steve says so.
So why does a DOA CPU or GPU or Vapor chamber or black screen chipset slips by? Who the fuck knows. It happens. The price of cheap labour countries assuredly. They are not packaged at TSMC.
It’s really not as dramatic as they make it out to be.
For someone saying that there’s no tinfoil hat conspiracy just a few posts before, you sure seem to indicate there’s something more than QC slippage? How odd.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Why would they do something that would make them look bad, lol. Most people don’t watch tech YouTubers in question nor do they read various tech blogs.
Celcius
°Temp. member
So you would argue that if people buy a videocard and it performs worse than advertised but they don't look at specs or run benchmarks to notice then it's ok?
I would argue the reason why they should do this is because "most people don’t watch tech YouTubers in question nor do they read various tech blogs."
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lughnasadh123
Member
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Oh, I am not saying it’s ok. I “personally” think that this launch is a disaster and Nvidia is completely showing its ass to their customers.
But does the leather jacket man care? I don’t believe it, and so we won’t see anything in default app/drivers that will help detection.
nkarafo
Member
Good.
GHG
Gold Member
You typed a paragraph full of nonsense trying to say that ROPs isn't something that would have been checked for, I responded accordingly.
Or are you making the case that DOA components slipping QC is just fine? A thing that happens naturally? Are you going in that direction?
Never said DOA was fine.
RMA isn't "easy" when there are parts shortages.
Are you seriously now going to blame cheap labour after all these companies and their customers have benefited from it for decades?
Again, not said that, nor have I even suggested it, stop trying to put words in to my mouth.
Anyway, Microsoft need you, fable just got delayed.
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SirKicksalot
Member
This is still not worse than the FX line. Advertised as DirectX 9 compatible, but designed for 16-bit code while DX9 had a 24-bit minimum. Absolute disaster.
For some reason the GTX 480 was also controversial but I enjoyed cooking a three-course meal on it while playing Minesweeper
For some reason the GTX 480 was also controversial but I enjoyed cooking a three-course meal on it while playing Minesweeper
Celcius
°Temp. member
For reference, the GTX 480 was 250 wattsThis is still not worse than the FX line. Advertised as DirectX 9 compatible, but designed for 16-bit code while DX9 had a 24-bit minimum. Absolute disaster.
For some reason the GTX 480 was also controversial but I enjoyed cooking a three-course meal on it while playing Minesweeper
Now here nvidia is trying to shove 600 watts through a cable the size of macaroni
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Buggy Loop
Member
Holy shit GHG
You’ve fallen
Where did I say they don’t bother or shouldn’t bother to check for ROPs?
Silicon photo diagnostic can only get you so far, THUS I SAID THIS IS CHECKED AFTER PACKAGING WHERE THEY CAN DIAGNOSE HARDWARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE INTERFACE TO IT
A failure to capture it, or if captures and still slips in, is a QC failure same as having a DOA component put into a box for shipping.
Holy shit dude
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TheDreadLord
Member
It’s funny how every new release gets the same extreme reactions — people call it a disaster, say it’s the worst ever… and then turn around and buy it anyway lol
kiphalfton
Member
Funny how it shows the 9070... and not the 9070 XT.
Not like there are a lot of options.
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They knew demand, but couldn't stockpile as Blackwell was delayed due to an issue at the fab. They only resolved the issues in late August, and AI chips would have been the priority when they were producing.
Hohenheim
Member
I actually sold my 5090.
Sticking with a 4080 Super for now.
The whole melting cable-stuff made me watch the temps more than my gameplay, and yeah I know it's silly and probably safe and fine.
Will get one when I have a new game not performing up to task on the 4080S, or when the 5080 Super with more VRam comes along.
For now i'm fine.
Sticking with a 4080 Super for now.
The whole melting cable-stuff made me watch the temps more than my gameplay, and yeah I know it's silly and probably safe and fine.
Will get one when I have a new game not performing up to task on the 4080S, or when the 5080 Super with more VRam comes along.
For now i'm fine.
FalconPunch
Member
The thing about the 5090 is that it'll 100% fail due to the power connector design. Especially with what De8auer discovered regarding how it unevenly draws current through the cables. Such a shitty design for a product that costs $2k+. As a whole, everyone should steer clear of the 5000 series except for models released with the 8 pin power connector design. Even the 4000 series is plagued and I have a 4080 super as well. I'll offload it as soon as a viable competitor shows up with a better board and power delivery design. I do not want to be a bagholder.
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The guy in the vid was advertising the fact that he would pay $500 above price to get his hands on the rare item to test.
Buggy Loop
Member
Anyone on higher tier ADA has absolutely no reason to upgrade, even without the drama.
By the time the neural architecture is flexed 6000 or even 7000 series will be out.
5090 is king for high res scaling VR and that’s about it for now.
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
This dude rubs me the wrong way .. I don't like him
Unfortunately nVidia doesn't give a fuck.
They have a virtual monopoly in the PC GPU market and their only concern is to price cards they have gimped as much as they can as high as they can.
They're now a company selling AI boards to data centers and their R&D is all about AI.
Hence the only new features they're bringing to the table are AI related.
Unfortunately things won't change unless a competitor is able to step it up considerably.
But in general people building new PCs are stucked with this situation, same when Microsoft releases a disappointing Windows version.
They have a virtual monopoly in the PC GPU market and their only concern is to price cards they have gimped as much as they can as high as they can.
They're now a company selling AI boards to data centers and their R&D is all about AI.
Hence the only new features they're bringing to the table are AI related.
Unfortunately things won't change unless a competitor is able to step it up considerably.
But in general people building new PCs are stucked with this situation, same when Microsoft releases a disappointing Windows version.
Fess
Member
How could this even happen?
Isn’t this essentially like missing to test that all the cores on a CPU is there? If the test procedure is thorough I can’t see how this could happen, should’ve been spotted just by looking at the current consumption on the low level tests. The board manufacturers must’ve received bad GPU chips and for some reason had no test criteria to check the number of render output units.
Isn’t this essentially like missing to test that all the cores on a CPU is there? If the test procedure is thorough I can’t see how this could happen, should’ve been spotted just by looking at the current consumption on the low level tests. The board manufacturers must’ve received bad GPU chips and for some reason had no test criteria to check the number of render output units.
ResilientBanana
Member
There we go. How does team AMD feel about this? This new trend of hive-mind hate is interesting. Can't say I've seen it this bad in a while.0.5% is 5 times higher than it should be?
Based on what?
Old but usual :
Code:- 2,53% Radeon HD 7850 - 1,66% Radeon HD 7870 - 10,28% Radeon HD 7950 - 7,63% Radeon HD 7970 - 2,81% Radeon R9 270 - 5,79% Radeon R9 270X - 8,81% Radeon R9 280X - 6,63% Radeon R9 290 - 5,58% Radeon R9 290X - 1,57% GeForce GTX 660 - 2,57% GeForce GTX 760 - 3,16% GeForce GTX 770 - 4,75% GeForce GTX 780 - 2,91% GeForce GTX 780 Ti - 1,33% GeForce GTX TITAN/BLACK
More recently
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Failure Rates Reportedly At 11%, RMA's Piling Up But Users Not Receiving Cards
AMD still feels thinks that the number of affected Radeon RX 7900 XTX is "small," but thousands of consumers are feeling the brunt of it.wccftech.com
Or CPUs
But it’s not enough dRAmaTIC to farm YouTube clicks when you apply industry wide failure rates
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Bojji
Member
They fully deserve it this time.
nikos
Member
I don't know what told me to not bother getting a 5090 but I'm kind of happy I held off.
4090 is still serving me well. I usually upgrade day one, not only for performance but for max resale value when it comes time to upgrade again, but I'm going to let things play out for a while.
4090 is still serving me well. I usually upgrade day one, not only for performance but for max resale value when it comes time to upgrade again, but I'm going to let things play out for a while.
rm082e
Member
Yeah, but he only wants one of each (a 5090 and a 5070 Ti) so he can do failure analysis and make YouTube content off them. What I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if the stock is so restricted we see multiple sales like this up on eBay and those cards get sold to people who can't get cards any other way. Buyers who are just willing to buy a card that has -5% performance for their own personal systems.
They're likely to sell too, yeah. FE's sell comfortably and they normally have about 4% less performance than other OC cards with better cooling.
GHG
Gold Member
Holy shit GHG
You’ve fallen
Where did I say they don’t bother or shouldn’t bother to check for ROPs?
Silicon photo diagnostic can only get you so far, THUS I SAID THIS IS CHECKED AFTER PACKAGING WHERE THEY CAN DIAGNOSE HARDWARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE INTERFACE TO IT
A failure to capture it, or if captures and still slips in, is a QC failure same as having a DOA component put into a box for shipping.
Holy shit dude
You're still not getting it. It's not the same thing as having a DOA, not even close.
DOA parts are parts that were once spec compliant and fully functional, they tend to fail after the final QC checks. Here you've got parts that were never even spec compliant somehow making their way all their way to retail.
And yes they can run checks at the first stage to figure out if the silicon meets the necessary specifications, it's all covered in the OP along with some of the other videos I've linked throughout this thread.
I have no idea why you're hellbent on making all these pathetic excuses for them, but Jensen appreciates you, I'm sure he'll replace your 3080 with one of those botched 5090's for all your efforts.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Nah, Fermi was worse than Turing.
1. Blackwell, aka, Lackwell
2. Fermi, aka Failmi
3. Turing, aka, Turdring
Zathalus
Member
Might be recency bias for me. Didn’t help my launch 2080ti had the memory corruption error.
intheinbetween
Member
Yesterday I received my MSI 5090 Gaming Trio OC. So far it seems it has all of the expected ROPs (176), and so far temps are fine and apparently the Seasonic 12VHPWR hasn't melted yet, so I guess I still don’t need a fire extinguisher close to my rig
DirtInUrEye
Member
I've noticed he's gotten smarmier over the years.
winjer
Member
The FX series was much worse. Shit performance all around, especially with DX9 titles. And one of the loudest and whining. coolers ever.
Senua
Member
He does have an air of arrogance to him.
That 4% is only a slider on Afteburner though, and they're not temperature limited even on the FE.
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simpatico
Member
Wish tech blogs still existed. Pour one of for [H]ardOCP and Anandtech
chromatic9
Member
He's blasted them so much it just becomes noise sadly.
It's a shame as pc gaming could be so much better.
It's a shame as pc gaming could be so much better.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I've never owned or played on the FX 5900 Ultra, but looking at that small cooler, it's hard to believe that noise was an issue.
Shitty performance all around? Performance was definitely not good in DX9, but in DX8 and openGL the FX series was quite competitive.
riko
Neo Member
Conflating lithography failure that didn't get caught through the binning process to final customer-product defect rates is silly. I don't think there is any defence of nvidia here, this was a weird process failure, they will learn and improve. (Though not sure why anyone carries water for any corporation if I am honest)