Its this kind of "I'm not getting my way/people criticizing my decision so I'm rage quitting!" mentality that makes no one take young voters seriously.
Grow up, people.
There's a lot of things that makes people not take young voters seriously.
Its this kind of "I'm not getting my way/people criticizing my decision so I'm rage quitting!" mentality that makes no one take young voters seriously.
Grow up, people.
Check my post again, and try to locate where I said "I will not vote at all" in the post. Oh. I appreciate your concern though.
You call this progress?This is such a great post. Politics is a game of inches and compromise, you'll rarely ever get everything you want and progress will be slow. It's not fair, but that's how the world works.
If your candidate didn't win you have the right to be disappointed, but if you don't vote for the next best thing you're hurting the cause you're fighting for.
Progress is slow, depressingly, but it's always constant. If you fight for a mile but fail, you should take an inch instead. The sort of widespread changes across the board Sanders is proposing are never gonna happen all at once.
The ACA is just a first step towards Universal Health Care, but you have to break these things up into bite sized pieces the opposition can swallow one at a time.
I will not vote for her, and I don't have to feel bad about it because I live in California and it is going to go blue anyway.
Ta-da.
There's a lot of things that makes people not take young voters seriously.
Not 100% accurate, as a sanders supporter I was prepared to hold my nose and vote for hillary, even convinced my republican mother to do the same - after reading this thread, I was informed I was a misogynist, held white privilege for being apprehensive about hillary. At this point I'm saying fuck it, the clintonites are just as insufferable as trump supporters, and I will just stay home and sleep through election night.
Some real assholes in this thread - a prime example on how not to convince others to see your point of view. I more than quadrupled my ignore list
I can't say I understand these posts. You're only saying you'd support her if you thought your vote actually mattered so it's not really much of a statement.
No, I would not vote for her either way, but since I live in California, I have the added benefit of not feeling bad about it.
And I am leaving it at that.
Out of the 50 states in the Union, how many actually aren't safely Blue or Red every year? 7? 8?
I've only ever lived in Blue states, I could vote for Trump in November and not a single thing would change from if I voted for Hillary, Jill Stein, or Vermin Supreme.
Out of the 50 states in the Union, how many actually aren't safely Blue or Red every year? 7? 8?
I've only ever lived in Blue states, I could vote for Trump in November and not a single thing would change from if I voted for Hillary, Jill Stein, or Vermin Supreme.
Believe none of what you see, and half of what you hear.Meanwhile, if the Clintons really controlled the media, they wouldn't have been trying to find the silver bullet that brings them down for decades.
If you're saying you'd vote Hill if you thought your vote mattered... you're already saying you have an opinion of Hillary > Trump so I don't understand withholding it intentionally
Rupert Murdoch the owner of Fox News is sure as hell making sure his media channel is easy on Hillary.Believe none of what you see, and half of what you hear.
No, the media isn't under totalitarian control... They will report a breaking story that they don't want their competitors to break first. But there are clear cases that CNN, Washington Post, New York Times and more work closely with Washington. Time Warner Cable is one of Hillary's biggest donors. Even Rupert Murdoch is tied to Hillary.
She went on the Fox Democratic Town Hall because Bernie did. She initially declined, but somehow an agreement was made. They could have brought up any of the real dirt about her that I posted above but they didn't say a thing. Just the stupid email stuff, which she has plenty of canned answers for anyway.Rupert Murdoch the owner of Fox News is sure as hell making sure his media channel is easy on Hillary.
This makes even less sense than most 911 conspiracy.
This is such a great post. Politics is a game of inches and compromise, you'll rarely ever get everything you want and progress will be slow. It's not fair, but that's how the world works.
If your candidate didn't win you have the right to be disappointed, but if you don't vote for the next best thing you're hurting the cause you're fighting for.
Progress is slow, depressingly, but it's always constant. If you fight for a mile but fail, you should take an inch instead. The sort of widespread changes across the board Sanders is proposing are never gonna happen all at once.
The ACA is just a first step towards Universal Health Care, but you have to break these things up into bite sized pieces the opposition can swallow one at a time.
Or...maybe she just decided she wont let Bernie have the entire floor? And they didn't want to target their guest with a hitjob? I mean, they could have brought up Bernie's honeymoon in USSR and his singing sonnets about Castro too. Didn't know Clinton Derangement Syndrome infected liberals as well.She went on the Fox Democratic Town Hall because Bernie did. She initially declined, but somehow an agreement was made. They could have brought up any of the real dirt about her that I posted above but they didn't say a thing. Just the stupid email stuff.
This makes no sense. So they run hit jobs about Hillary every chance they get, but then when she comes on the Fox Town Hall, they decline to do so? Why?Or...maybe she just decided she wont let Bernie have the entire floor? And they didn't want to target their guest with a hitjob? I mean, they could have brought up Bernie's honeymoon in USSR and his singing sonnets about Castro too. Didn't know Clinton Derangement Syndrome infected liberals as well.
He's an environmentalist.Still curious as to what policies Hillary is to the right of compared to Trump
Would you cut departments?
Trump: Environmental Protection, what they do is a disgrace. Every week they come out with new regulations.
This makes no sense. So they run hit jobs about Hillary every chance they get, but then when she comes on the Fox Town Hall, they decline to do so? Why?
Do you not realize how hilariously petty and childish you sound?Not 100% accurate, as a sanders supporter I was prepared to hold my nose and vote for hillary, even convinced my republican mother to do the same - after reading this thread, I was informed I was a misogynist, held white privilege for being apprehensive about hillary. At this point I'm saying fuck it, the clintonites are just as insufferable as trump supporters, and I will just stay home and sleep through election night.
Some real assholes in this thread - a prime example on how not to convince others to see your point of view. I more than quadrupled my ignore list
Maybe they want her back for later appearances? Same reason why CNN doesn't call out anyone during interview/debates? There's like a ton of reasons without us having to go into conspiracy nonsense. Obama goes to Fox News and interviews with Chris Wallace, Bret Bair all the time when those 3 stooges during the morning show peddle birther and Obama martial law nonsense. He even went there when Glenn Beck was on Fox News spinning his yarn about George Soros' connection to Obama and Black panthers or whatever the fuck.This makes no sense. So they run hit jobs about Hillary every chance they get, but then when she comes on the Fox Town Hall, they decline to do so? Why?
We are talking about Fox News. The staunchly right-wing, fearmongering news network that crucifies Hillary as often as they can. They're worried about pushing viewers away by being tough on Clinton? I don't understand that argument.Because this kind of negative stuffs push people away during a debate?
All the media have years of shit to sink Trump's chance and they didn't run with it that doesn't mean they're secretly having meetings to make sure Trump is elected.
After all the shit the R debates went through to only throw softballs at the candidates you're surprised they didn't crucify Clinton?
We are talking about Fox News. The staunchly right-wing, fearmongering news network that crucifies Hillary as often as they can. They're worried about pushing viewers away by being tough on Clinton? I don't understand that argument.
because even fox has class at times
They're worried about pushing viewers away
So why stoop lower than them? :\Not 100% accurate, as a sanders supporter I was prepared to hold my nose and vote for hillary, even convinced my republican mother to do the same - after reading this thread, I was informed I was a misogynist, held white privilege for being apprehensive about hillary. At this point I'm saying fuck it, the clintonites are just as insufferable as trump supporters, and I will just stay home and sleep through election night.
Some real assholes in this thread - a prime example on how not to convince others to see your point of view. I more than quadrupled my ignore list
You call this progress?
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We don't have enough information to know why Clinton agreed to go on Fox News, or why they were so much gentler on her than in their regular coverage. But we have plenty of reasons to know why other liberal media reports the way they do, which I've already posted.Maybe they want her back for later appearances? Same reason why CNN doesn't call out anyone during interview/debates? There's like a ton of reasons without us having to go into conspiracy nonsense. Obama goes to Fox News and interviews with Chris Wallace, Bret Bair all the time when those 3 stooges during the morning show peddle birther and Obama martial law nonsense. He even went there when Glenn Beck was on Fox News spinning his yarn about George Soros' connection to Obama and Black panthers or whatever the fuck.
We don't have enough information to know why Clinton agreed to go on Fox News, or why they were so much gentler on her than in their regular coverage. But we have plenty of reasons to know why other liberal media reports the way they do, which I've already posted.
I can't believe people think the government has no influence on the media and want to pass that off as 'conspiracy' theory, yet can't explain it with anything more than dismissing it. What about Twitter, whose executive chair, Omid Kordestani, threw a fundraiser for Clinton, and Twitter kept censoring hashtags that were against Hillary and for Bernie? After she swept Ohio, FL and the other states, Twitter hasn't been doing it as much or at all. Possibly because the "inevitability" machine is in full force. But I have seen it firsthand.
Trump claims to be anti-corporatist. He has said he is for universal health care or coverage. You never know with him but he will be able to bounce left and right on the Dem candidate. Whichever is expedient. The man doesn't have truly solid policies laid down yet, so he has a lot of wiggle room.I interpreted the "people" in that quote to mean the actual candidates, not the viewers. Debates with guaranteed majority hardball questions might make candidates less inclined to show up, and spend time/money managing their messaging via other means.
Also: on which policies/issues is Clinton standing to the right of Trump?
We don't have enough information to know why Clinton agreed to go on Fox News, or why they were so much gentler on her than in their regular coverage. But we have plenty of reasons to know why other liberal media reports the way they do, which I've already posted.
I can't believe people think the government has no influence on the media and want to pass that off as 'conspiracy' theory, yet can't explain it with anything more than dismissing it. What about Twitter, whose executive chair, Omid Kordestani, threw a fundraiser for Clinton, and Twitter kept censoring hashtags that were against Hillary and for Bernie? After she swept Ohio, FL and the other states, Twitter hasn't been doing it as much or at all. Possibly because the "inevitability" machine is in full force. But I have seen it firsthand.
A conspiracy theory is an explanatory or speculative hypothesis suggesting that two or more persons or an organization have conspired to cause or to cover up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation typically regarded as illegal or harmful.
Not 100% accurate, as a sanders supporter I was prepared to hold my nose and vote for hillary, even convinced my republican mother to do the same - after reading this thread, I was informed I was a misogynist, held white privilege for being apprehensive about hillary. At this point I'm saying fuck it, the clintonites are just as insufferable as trump supporters, and I will just stay home and sleep through election night.
Some real assholes in this thread - a prime example on how not to convince others to see your point of view. I more than quadrupled my ignore list
No one responded to my post about the liberal media, so I'm not sure what you are referring to.We already have the answers in this very page.
Because if they go that way it's counterproductive anyway and they don't give a shit about the Dem's side they didn't try to take down Sanders too during the debates.
Are you saying that it would have been to obvious and they actually know the meaning of subtlety or something?
I didn't say that. I said they stopped being so defensive of Hillary. Are you just disagreeing with everything I am saying?Yes Twitter was responsible for costing Ohio and Florida to Sanders...
I believe I said we don't have enough information to know what happened, and no one can provide definitive proof. So my theory has as much basis as the other theories in the thread. Mine is just less trusting of the media.
Some things are more likely than others. Logically. However, I know that a common line of thinking among conspiracy theorists is that all possible paths are equally as likely.I believe I said we don't have enough information to know what happened, and no one can provide definitive proof. So my theory has as much basis as the other theories in the thread. Mine is just less trusting of the media.
That's problematic. He recently was advocating for HSAs a deregulation of state based healthcare and you somehow believe he is going to flip a switch and support single payer.Trump claims to be anti-corporatist. He has said he is for universal health care or coverage. You never know with him but he will be able to bounce left and right on the Dem candidate. Whichever is expedient. The man doesn't have truly solid policies laid down yet, so he has a lot of wiggle room.
No one responded to my post about the liberal media, so I'm not sure what you are referring to.
Considering Twitter is trying to do something against harassment it wouldn't surprise me if most anti Hillary tweets could have been caught in their nets if that actually happened of course.I didn't say that. I said they stopped being so defensive of Hillary. Are you just disagreeing with everything I am saying?
That's problematic. He recently was advocating for HSAs a deregulation of state based healthcare and you somehow believe he is going to flip a switch and support single payer.
Wiggle room == I'll say anything to get elected, trust me i got this
They're never going to happen at all because the Democrats, in their current state, will not nominate and fight for a candidate who is advocating for them to happen. One of the few attractive components of the insurance handout that was the PPACA was the idea of a public option and that was the first thing on the chopping block. "Progress is slow" is the line liberals have been fed for generations but it's only true because we nominate centrists who, by your analogy, take two inches in the right direction and give three to the Republicans. Liberals have been fed this same line of horseshit for decades and have largely stayed with the Democratic party despite being wholly taken for granted. At least the wider Democratic party pantomimes concern for LGBT and black issues even if their outspoken support is conspicuously in line with the shifting public mood of the nation. Democratic socialist ideals aren't even afforded that much, instead being characterized by the frontrunner you're telling me to vote for as a fantasy perpetuated by college-aged children despite being the status quo throughout the entirety of fucking Western civilization that isn't the United States.
Maybe a wildfire is needed to clear the centrist undergrowth that is stifling the Democratic forest.
Trump claims to be anti-corporatist.
I believe I said we don't have enough information to know what happened, and no one can provide definitive proof. So my theory has as much basis as the other theories in the thread. Mine is just less trusting of the media.
If this isn't splitting hairs, I'm not sure what is. Sounds more like justifying one's own argument to me. Again, no one has explained the stuff about CNN, Washington Post, New York Times.Some things are more likely than others. Logically. However, I know that a common line of thinking among conspiracy theorists is that all possible paths are equally as likely.
Possible and likely are 2 different things.
I believe I said we don't have enough information to know what happened, and no one can provide definitive proof. So my theory has as much basis as the other theories in the thread. Mine is just less trusting of the media.