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Twitch you have a problem and should be ashamed of it

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Kinyou

Member
Waylon Drums said:
We're on page 12 of a topic that could be solved by simply not watching something? How? Why? I've been reading the endless loop of replies and I still can't quite understand why people are upset...especially at the people actually being attacked.

This is all very derp right now. Really, very derp.
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I don't care about them exploiting trolls, but what's kind of nasty is when people think they're legitimate victims and then donate them because of it.
 
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Diablohead

Member
Suzushiiro said:
The main issue is that they still occasionally punish channels for streaming non-gaming content, even ones that are generally gaming-focused (Destiny got a temp ban for streaming Youtube videos one night, IIRC.)

If Twitch wants to be a streaming platform that's solely about games, that's fine. If Twitch wants to be a general-purpose streaming platform, that's fine too. What's bullshit is when they not only turn a blind eye to streams that are only as gaming-related as they have to be to not get banned, but also have officially sponsored streams that have absolutely nothing to do with video games... and then turn around and occasionally ban users for streaming things that aren't video games.
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yeah i've seen some others get banned for silly things, one dude had anime images on his stream for about 10 minutes and was perma'd, it took some others to contact twitch to get the ban removed. I believe that he only had them on the stream as he was between games since he speed runs a lot.

Yet you get people doing worse shit then that but because they have a sub button they are invisible to twitch, it lowers the quality of the website in my eyes.
 
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CoLaN

Member
Twitch keeps closing its eyes if the streams have a lot of viewers. Those text to speech donations are just horrible.

But hey, its their site. I hope they realize that by allowing that kind of stuff and closing their eyes, one day something really bad may happen and ruin their image forever.
 
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T.O.P

Banned
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Essentially part 2 from last night, apart from the fact that she's not funny
 
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keltickennedy

Member
Aren't the top steamers mostly people with good quality streams? Yes, some people taking advantage of horny young men will always be there, I believe that they never last... The cream always rises to the top.

And say what you want about PewDeePie, he isn't my thing either but the guy does work hard on keeping content coming to the people who want it.
 
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Cleve

Member
keltickennedy said:
Aren't the top steamers mostly people with good quality streams? Yes, some people taking advantage of horny young men will always be there, I believe that they never last... The cream always rises to the top.

And say what you want about PewDeePie, he isn't my thing either but the guy does work hard on keeping content coming to the people who want it.
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Yeah, the top streams are usually gaming focused and with good players. I can only speak for the games I watch, but Justin Wong, Maximillian, SingSing, Wagamama, Arteezy are all pro tier players that typically top viewership and sometimes their streams chat is shitty, but they're not the kind of streams this thread seems to be about. There's a lot of them for sure, but they never really make up any bulk of viewership that I've seen.
 
Demoskinos

Demoskinos

Member
Hey if she isn't breaking the TOS and these guys are dumb enough to give her money then good for her. Girl gotta get paid.
 
ebullientprism

ebullientprism

Member
Galactic Fork said:
So why is the focus on the receivers of the abuse, and not the people abusing? Shouldn't twitch get rid of them? If these women are in fact acting, then when the abusers are gone, they will not be able to continue. But demanding people put up with abuse or leave is saying that abuse is a valid feature that you support. Why should the abusers be the ones to stay?

And suggesting that people who continue in the face of abuse must want it is really messed up.
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This post in video form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3E3_JvCO-I
 
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Waylon Drums

Member
Kinyou said:
I don't care about them exploiting trolls, but what's kind of nasty is when people think they're legitimate victims and then donate them because of it.
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I guess I'm really only thinking of the actual trolls who donate to be assholes. Hadn't considered that. themoreyouknow.gif
 
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megalowho

Member
This kind of stuff feels like really dark performance art, at least the bits I caught from the stream that went down yesterday. Exploiting abuse for cash and blurring lines between fake and real breakdowns is a pretty fucked up gimmick but not too surprised some find it compelling and that this is where we've arrived. Expect things to get even darker still over time, whether it's on Twitch or somewhere else.
 
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cerulily

Member
taizuke said:
So like Anita Sarkeesian?

She got harassed for opinion, responded to it by highlighting all the negativity, and got a lot of money from people who supported her.

Maybe the streamer planned it and exploited the people who felt bad for her. Maybe she didn't.

I say live your life, OP. It's not gonna go away.
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This doesn't seem related at all. Her opinion is partially proven by the harassment, it makes perfect sense to highlight it, and it IS NOT even used in her videos, which was the intent of her project all along.

Her content output (video series) is exactly what was intended before the harassment, and not because of it.
 
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hbkdx12

Member
Galactic Fork said:
So why is the focus on the receivers of the abuse, and not the people abusing? Shouldn't twitch get rid of them? If these women are in fact acting, then when the abusers are gone, they will not be able to continue. But demanding people put up with abuse or leave is saying that abuse is a valid feature that you support. Why should the abusers be the ones to stay?

And suggesting that people who continue in the face of abuse must want it is really messed up.
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At the risk of sounding misogynistic, I feel most female streamers leverage the fact that they're females over the fact that they're gamers. Hence the camera angle that focuses on their low cut shirt and over exposed cleavage. This makes me skeptical of some female streamers that i come across. Do they really care about the gaming community or are they just trying to take the easy route of pushing the envelope to get more viewers/subs/money/etc?

Abuse is abuse and it's fucked up that it happens but it's disingenuous to think that all these troll donations and attention isn't a direct byproduct of female streamers playing up the fact that they have breasts that they're gonna show off as if they're more important than the game that they're streaming.

I personally find both the trolling/donations as well as the streamers who play into it so they can benefit from it quite disgusting but what's even worse is that overall it sets a bad precedent that casts an unfortunate shadow on other more legit female gamers who don't succumb to such gimmicks
 
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ANDS

Banned
cerulily said:
This doesn't seem related at all. Her opinion is partially proven by the harassment, it makes perfect sense to highlight it, and it IS NOT even used in her videos, which was the intent of her project all along.

Her content output (video series) is exactly what was intended before the harassment, and not because of it.
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I think the argument was, that putting the harassment front and center was a calculated move to gin up support and donation dollars.

To the OP, how exactly would you go about investigating and subsequently shutting down these streams? The entire premise seems based around "fake" harassment, so you'd actually have to verify that. No way Twitch bothers. Much easier to go after the TitCams.
 
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cerulily

Member
ANDS said:
I think the argument was, that putting the harassment front and center was a calculated move to gin up support and donation dollars.
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This argument never makes any sense because it relies entirely on shitty people doing something shitty. Nobody can know this is going to happen in a manner which will drum up financial success.

Pure conspiracy theory.

hbkdx12 said:
At the risk of sounding misogynistic, I feel most female streamers leverage the fact that they're females over the fact that they're gamers. Hence the camera angle that focuses on their low cut shirt and over exposed cleavage. This makes me skeptical of some female streamers that i come across. Do they really care about the gaming community or are they just trying to take the easy route of pushing the envelope to get more viewers/subs/money/etc?
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This is pure confirmation bias. There are tonnes of us who do not (probably a majority) It's the fault of viewers who signal boost the most pandering women.
 
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Kinyou

Member
ANDS said:
I think the argument was, that putting the harassment front and center was a calculated move to gin up support and donation dollars.

To the OP, how exactly would you go about investigating and subsequently shutting down these streams? The entire premise seems based around "fake" harassment, so you'd actually have to verify that. No way Twitch bothers. Much easier to go after the TitCams.
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What you could perhaps do is to forbid the whole text to speech thing. That function seems attractive enough for trolls to actually donate, which in turn can lead to streamers exploiting that fact.

Though that would probably rile up some legitimate streamers and not get rid of all the trolls.
 
pants

pants

Member
T.O.P said:
Essentially part 2 from last night, apart from the fact that she's not funny
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I've seen her stream before, she apparently got banned for threatening to knife someone, kinda like her accent so i sometimes leave the talking on in the background
 
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inki

Member
Wow, that's all kind of trashy. She's hustling to get that money but damn. I don't think it should be allowed on twitch. Aren't there porn sites for this?
 
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Ferrio

Banned
I always love these threads. People come to complain about a certain twitch streamer and you end up throwing them way more audience. Just ignore it.
 
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CountAntonius

Member
I honestly believe any casters men or women who bank on baiting people to donate for voiced insults and fake meltdowns should be banned. These people do help create a more toxic environment for casters who stream. I don't care about cleavage, flirty or dance games.
 
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Maximo

Member
inki said:
Wow, that's all kind of trashy. She's hustling to get that money but damn. I don't think it should be allowed on twitch. Aren't there porn sites for this?
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Porn sites don't pay anywhere near the same amount of money, I don't know any examples but alot of girls that used to be "Cam Girls" switched over to twitch. You get a more knowledgeable friend to set everything up and you don't have to degrade yourself and you get more amount of money? Dam straight alot are doing it.
 
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border

Member
I've always found these streams to be pretty hilarious....who really cares if somebody donates without knowing that it's a performance?

Synthetic voice: "~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~"
HelenaLive: "My name is not Matilda! Shut up!"
 
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Wolfgunblood Garopa

Member
inki said:
Wow, that's all kind of trashy. She's hustling to get that money but damn. I don't think it should be allowed on twitch. Aren't there porn sites for this?
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Camgirls have a second option on Twitch. Some of them can do Twitch full time and not even do porn cams anymore. It's probably more fun, I don't know.
 
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ghostjoke

Banned
"We're recruiting llamas for ISIS".

Girl's got a work ethic and found a very strange, llama based, niche. Gotta respect that.

I'm considering this like BDSM. I don't get it but both sides are consenting, so who am I to judge? Let them troll. Let her laugh her way to the bank.
 
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CosmicQueso

Member
"Oh, the French people are now calling me a llama?"

Get that paper.

In other news, I've learned a lot about playing LoL by watching this stream. She's pretty good it seems.
 
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Lazyslob

Banned
Ferrio said:
I always love these threads. People come to complain about a certain twitch streamer and you end up throwing them way more audience. Just ignore it.
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foreal. i find people who complain about it worse than the streamers themselves. some streamers with the gimmick can be funny and people say they hate it but dont stop watching or talking about it
 
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Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
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