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Ultra Street Fighter 4 will be played on X360 at EVO2015
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Projectjustice
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Actually that's not official. Capcoms official stance on this is she is what you want her to be.
What Capcom said is technically accurate, so nothing controversial there, but I'm sure it's done in part to deflect criticism/feedback. Still, they needed to have managed their IP better given the scenario and their adoption of it for their own Pro Tour. It was more nuanced, than say, for example, if High Voltage botched the ports of MKX on PS3/360.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Ono is not the only person working on SF, lmao.
I don't know about this guy knowing people (lol), I certainly don't, but SF4 was made by Dimps, and it was confirmed that they're working on SF5 too.
She was in SFxT, they just lifted those assets and put them into SF4. Same with Hugo, Rolento and Elena. Only Decapre is really new in Ultra, but she's heavily based on Cammy.
They've stated a couple of times that the PC platform is interesting to them, because of emerging markets with a lot of growth like China, Russia and countries in South America where PC gaming is way more popular than consoles. They also make more money per copy on Steam (at the same prize point) than in retail, so that's not directly comparable.
Your post sounds pretty crazy.
It was at one point when they were afraid to take a stance. It's pretty much been accepted that she is a trans woman in recent years by both the fandom and Capcom. I'd say it was ever since this video came out with definitive proof of her original design.
https://youtu.be/3Lj-9npanOI
Rain City Gamer
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I love how when DriveClub and USFIV don't work it is Sony's fault, but when MCC doesn't work it is 343i's fault.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Pathfinder
Member
Microsoft got plenty of shit here on the forum for allowing 343i to bungle MCC as well, don't worry.
Projectjustice
Banned
But as of right now, the official stance is she is what you want her to be. So for me Poison is a female.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
It's Sony's fault hiring Other Ocean, it's Other Ocean's fault delivering garbage and it's Capcom's not overlooking its IP.
Shadoken
Member
343i to Halo is not the same as Other Ocean to Street Fighter.
Now if Sony were publishing SFV and Capcom were the developer , you can expect plenty of flak for Capcom if SFV turned out to be shit.
Basically this.
Papacheeks
Banned
Yea it's worse, because 343 is part of Microsoft's main First party studio lineup. And they fucked up that game for a long period of time. Couldn't have stable on-line play until 2015. Pretty sure the bugs that plague Street Fighter are not Server related, like Halo's was.
Halo is Microsoft's product, why the fuck would they allow the game to go out in the state it was, is pretty nuts.
Street Fighter sounds like coding is fucked in that game, While network infrastructure was not up to snuff for Halo.
Both are equal in the scenario. Because do you now trust Halo 5 launch? Do you now trust Capcom's launch of SFV?
They are similar scenario, but big difference is Sony had a third party company with a some what bad track record make athe port. While 343 who made Halo 4 Ported the collection and are the ones making HALO 5 as well.
Still think Halo:MCC is a bigger fuckup since developer in question is making the next one and it took so long to make the online stable.
Hey, guess what? Trans women are women too! So, yeah, she's female.
But if you're really like to argue the point, I'd absolutely love to hear your explanation for why her gender identity specifically matters to you.
Pathfinder
Member
The online for Halo 5 is already stable, according to people who've played the beta.
Also, it's not the same project.
Castef
Banned
Also, in that case Microsoft di not pay to prevent the game for going on other platforms and then publish the only next-gen version which resulted broken.
They actually messed with a very important game with a huge community.
Trans girls can have hips too. And again, a trans girl is still a "she".
I agree.
I don't know much about the transgender community, but if Poison wants to identify as female, I see no reason to qualify it as transgender.I apologize if that's incorrect or insensitive. Again, not familiar with the proper labels. Correct me, please, if not correct. Don't mean to offend.
I thought Capcom retconned their retconned retcon on Poison.
First she was a woman, then Capcom USA complained about violence on women, then Capcom Japan turned her into a transgender, but when she finally made her full SF introduction (eg playable in SFxT, yes no one is counting FFR), that's when they just made it that she was a woman again.
Eh whatever.
First she was a woman, then Capcom USA complained about violence on women, then Capcom Japan turned her into a transgender, but when she finally made her full SF introduction (eg playable in SFxT, yes no one is counting FFR), that's when they just made it that she was a woman again.
Eh whatever.
Wiki on Poison. The character's gender has never been confirmed, although I thought I remembered Ono saying she was not transgender recently.
Am not up on all things "futanari,"but doesn't that mean "hermaphrodite?" Anyway, if you check the Wikipedia page, there's quotes from developers that go back and forth on it- male, female, a male cross dresser, etc. One stance is that Roxy is the female and Poison is the cross dressing male imitator or a transgender.
And does it really matter? Poison is one hot late 80s Metro City momma!
Am not up on all things "futanari,"but doesn't that mean "hermaphrodite?" Anyway, if you check the Wikipedia page, there's quotes from developers that go back and forth on it- male, female, a male cross dresser, etc. One stance is that Roxy is the female and Poison is the cross dressing male imitator or a transgender.
And does it really matter? Poison is one hot late 80s Metro City momma!
I believe that's for Capcom Cup, not for EVO. But yeah, what you said is the only reason why the PS4 version of the game will be used at Capcom Cup & not everywhere else.
Everyone else is going back to the good ol' 360 version.
No, it has been confirmed, many times in different ways. There are design docs that label Poison as a "new half" (Japanese term for transgender), Ono confirming her trans status many years ago, profiles in official Capcom books, etc. A random wiki page doesn't tell the full story.
Ono first said this:
Then said this:
My stance remains "who cares?" I like the character design.
These. Capcom's internal fighting game development team were long gone even before the 7th generation of consoles.
That's why they had to contract Backbone Entertainment for Super Turbo HD Remix, Iron Galaxy Studios for Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike Online Edition, Eighting for Marvel Vs. Capcom 3/Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3, & Dimps for Street Fighter x Tekken, the Street Fighter IV series, & now Street Fighter V.
sturgboski
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What's the over under that we are going to have a similar thread for SF5 when it turns out Capcom contracted High Voltage to do the PC port? I almost wanted to say Other Ocean gets contracted but I don't think they are getting another Capcom or Sony contract for a while (like until there has been enough distance on this and they cone in as cheapest port house again).
Like I said earlier in this thread, this is what happens when you go for the lowest cost possible in order to earn a bigger return. Has Sony fallen on their sword yet? I have only seen Capcom say its all Sony and Other Oceans fault and then Other Ocean say they are working closely with Sony and Capcom.
Like I said earlier in this thread, this is what happens when you go for the lowest cost possible in order to earn a bigger return. Has Sony fallen on their sword yet? I have only seen Capcom say its all Sony and Other Oceans fault and then Other Ocean say they are working closely with Sony and Capcom.
Cross platform play means nothing like this is going to happen.
Who cares—and I apologize if this sounds bitchy, and I'm saying this to once again clarify why people care and not to directly go after you—are trans gamers who have little to no representation in gaming, but who DID have a character like Poison as representation for 20+ years, but then had her taken away from us so that some guys could feel comfortable finding her sexy.
It will be interesting to see just how much of an input lag advantage one system can get over the other during cross platform play.
Let me try to stay on topic here: where is the changelog of that patch though? Gio you were supposed to keep us informed and you're doing a horrible job at it
Patience brother !
Projectjustice
Banned
The oficial isntance only came as close to say that she did sexual reasignmnent surgery in the usa and not in japan.
There is absolutly NO OFICIAL STATEMENT that says she is a cis woman.
Count me in the "I DO CARE AND I WILL FIGHT TO KEEP HER TRANS" side
Projectjustice
Banned
So to me she's a female.
Anyways, not trying to argue about this. She is what you want her to be to you. stop trying to change how I view things. I'm not trying to change yours.
RedAssedApe
Banned
they still aren't getting sf5
I don't think that will be a huge issue (most likely slight benefit to PC though)
The bigger concern is going to be the stuff PC users come up with to cheat.
Keyboards and no controls over peripherals means people will come up with stuff that makes a Full Schedule stick look like a Pong Paddle.
This would cause mad rage, and probably not work, but I'd love to see SF5 not allow any keyboard bindings period and hardwire 6 buttons in gameplay to try and reduce/frustrate those folks.
If she is cis, there is no "mistery about her gender". There is no mistery about Chun Li, there isn't even a mistery about Makoto. Hell, there isn't even a mistery about Seth and he isn't even human !
She is female either way, being cis or trans
I am not trying to take away one of the few representations you have on the media
You said facts, so deal with the facts
I think that Microsoft cares more about games like Halo & Call of Duty more so than a 6 year old game from a niche genre.
There's not really any good PR to be gained by pointing this out, really. If anything it would just come of as snarky and combative.
How would they though? A snide message about Killer Instinct Season 3 working like it should on its release date? (haha)
Yeah, I think they should just keep quiet; Let Sony deal with this mess.
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Yep. 100% agree.
rokkerkory
Member
Wait what? Have you clearly havent been paying attention. Multiple threads on this it was a shit storm and deservingly so.
The blame of this whole mess is sony's choice for the team that ported the game. So sony shouldn't trust sony.
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