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[MasterCornholio]

Yes, they did.

*I have no idea what you are talking about.

Bumping up the resolution with a patch.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Because Daddy Phil provided us all with THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE.

But what about asmr Cerny whispering his soft promises of superfast io and an ssd speed never seen before in the gaming world. Hard soldered onto the motherboard providing the most earth shattering speed of io and vertices and whatever else it does....to find its loading loads of games slower/barely faster than the xbox with a standard off the shelf drive?

Both sides have made marketing statements and both consoles haven't performed to whats expected from what fanboys were shouting about.

 

[bender]

The best way to enjoy these threads is to truely not care either way. Own both consoles, enjoy both consoles massively and be happy they are closer than ever before.

Draw a line in the sand. Pick a side. Fight to the death. Don't be a chicken.

Bumping up the resolution with a patch.

No clue. My guess is we'll have more pages in the technical threads than the game's score on metacritic.

 

[ethomaz]

But what about asmr Cerny whispering his soft promises of superfast io and an ssd speed never seen before in the gaming world. Hard soldered onto the motherboard providing the most earth shattering speed of io and vertices and whatever else it does....to find its loading loads of games slower/barely faster than the xbox with a standard off the shelf drive?

Both sides have made marketing statements and both consoles haven't performed to whats expected from what fanboys were shouting about.

Actually the SSD speeds proved itself true.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Let's throw a spanner in the works.

What ate the loading times between the two versions?

All we heard about from the ps5 is how much faster the ssd is. Twice as fast easily. If its not loading games as twice as fast as the xbox is that not a loss for the ps5?

And what is the reason that games aren't loading twice as fast on ps5?

Because the loading times don't just depend on the SSD. It's really that simple.

Also what I would like to ask is what Ratchet is going to be like on the PS5. After all it's supposed to be a tech demo of the capabilities of the I/O.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Draw a line in the sand. Pick a side. Fight to the death. Don't be a chicken.



No clue. My guess is we'll have more pages in the technical threads than the game's score on metacritic.

I like winning, do I have your permission to support which ever console wins in each thread please?

I don't mind being labelled a glory supporter haha.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Actually the SSD speeds proved itself true.

On what multiplatform games is the ps5 loading games twice as fast as the xbox?
Is it loading tony squawk twice as fast?

 

[bender]

Both sides have made marketing statements and both consoles haven't performed to whats expected from what fanboys were shouting about.

Cerny is the embodiment of pure. The love child of Kaz and Shu. Phil is still drenched in the flung sweat of Steve Balmer from when he was front and center watching the man gyrate on stage while chanting "developers, developers, developers." They are hardly comparable.

I like winning, do I have your permission to support which ever console wins in each thread please?

I don't mind being labelled a glory supporter haha.

That wouldn't be very ethical.

 

[ethomaz]

On what multiplatform games is the ps5 loading games twice as fast as the xbox?
Is it loading tony squawk twice as fast?

You need to widen your view.
There are several games on PS5 with loading times in 2-3s.

You calling Multiplatform just prove the Multiplatform devs subutilize the PS5’s SSD capabilities and not that the marketing was not proved.

Games already showed the power of SSD on PS5.... so there is evidence that it is true.

The SSD FUD created by Xbox fans ended when games at launch started to show it is indeed like Sony told you months before the launch.

 

[TGO]

I'll share a but of crow with ya. You must have a spare fork

The irony,
Tis was just a question, not my preference
if you knew me you'd realise I choose resolution over higher framerates

 

[DenchDeckard]

Cerny is the embodiment of pure. The love child of Kaz and Shu. Phil is still drenched in the flung sweat of Steve Balmer from when he was front and center watching the man gyrate on stage while chanting "developers, developers, developers." They are hardly comparable.



That wouldn't be very ethical.

You win. Your description pleases me.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You need to widen your view.
There are several games on PS5 with loading times in 2-3s.

You calling Multiplatform just prove the Multiplatform devs subutilize the PS5’s SSD capabilities and not that the marketing was not proved.

Games already showed the power of SSD on PS5.... so there is evidence that it is true.

The SSD FUD created by Xbox fans ended when games at launch started to show it is indeed like Sony told you months before the launch.

Ya and those same games on Xbox could be loading in 2.1 - 3.1 seconds. So as usual you beat around the bush when someone brings up double the SSD without even comparing speeds.

As as sites brought up various times, there's many games which Xbox (even the 4tf S version) can load faster than PS5.

 

[jroc74]

I hate posting in these threads. I'm always reminded of that Rick and Morty szechuan sauce riot every time I click in one of them. No matter which console wins, there aren't any winners.

But God damn, after reading "parity is a win for PlayStation", "framerate is king" and "cross-gen doesn't count - let's wait for the real games to arrive" in every thread since Hitman 3, there's a lot of celebrating a very hollow victory in here.

The other side aren't any better, but a remaster of Tony Hawks 1+2 is where we draw the line here? Not Avengers? Not Mortal Shell or Destroy All Humans? This one here? This one specifically shows which console is best?

Really?

But....you can say that for any of the games you left out....

There should be a constant, something similar across every comparison that one can draw conclusions from.

BC, BC patches: MS is king.
Cross Gen, Next Gen versions: there is no clear, run away winner.

I'm not saying what I posted is everything. But somewhere in there should be enough for ppl to do just a lil bit of critical thinking.

And now we back to "cross gen games dont count"

Wake me up when multi platform games do start counting.

 

[ethomaz]

Ya and those same games on Xbox could be loading in 2.1 - 3.1 seconds. So as usual you beat around the bush when someone brings up double the SSD without even comparing speeds.

As as sites brought up various times, there's many games which Xbox (even the 4tf S version) can load faster than PS5.

Show me these games running with 2.1s and 3.1s on Series X?

Because I can list several on PS5.
Miles Morales, Demon’s Souls, Astro Playroom, Sackboy Adventure, NioH, Destruction Allstars, etc.

 

[FrankWza]

On what multiplatform games is the ps5 loading games twice as fast as the xbox?
Is it loading tony squawk twice as fast?

I guess the s isn’t the only Msoft console holding back cross platform games if we’re not seeing it outside of DeS and Mm

 

[abel empire]

But what about asmr Cerny whispering his soft promises of superfast io and an ssd speed never seen before in the gaming world. Hard soldered onto the motherboard providing the most earth shattering speed of io and vertices and whatever else it does....to find its loading loads of games slower/barely faster than the xbox with a standard off the shelf drive?

Both sides have made marketing statements and both consoles haven't performed to whats expected from what fanboys were shouting about.

NOPE go look at ps5 exclusives they all load in a flash. Show me any game on series x that loads in 1 second like spiderman, godfall, demon souls.! Crossgen games arent using ps5s api fully they are using lastgen code. So cerny wasnt talking marketing! As microsoft. Who spread meaningless buzzwords.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Show me these games running with 2.1s and 3.1s on Series X?

Because I can list several on PS5.
Miles Morales, Demon’s Souls, Astro Playroom, Sackboy Adventure, NioH, Destruction Allstars, etc.

Devil may cry 5 loads in like 3 seconds on series x. So does yakuza like a dragon.

 

[jroc74]

Most of them were trolling, I assume. But on paper, it makes sense that 12 > 10, so if people have been focusing only on those two numbers, I get where they are coming from. That said, I have been arguing since the reveals of both consoles, that game will look and play more similar than ever (which, so far, has been the case) and that the difference will primarily come down to the skills of the 1st party studios.. where, to be honest, we both know who's ahead.



I seriously think you're the only one on the entire internet (barring some warriors on Twitter) who actually seriously believe that Hitman 3 was 'better' on the PS5. Every single time I see someone argue this, it's you. It's always you.

You mention paper specs...but anytime someone that had informed opinions about those paper specs, devs being one example, they got dismissed because grade school math.

Ppl on forums all the time take, listen to ppl's opinions about a mountain of subjects.... daily. Its just some ppl dismiss the ones that they dont like.

Many ppl settled on XSX always coming out on top and PS5 coming close. Now that reality is happening...

 

[Mmnow]

But....you can say that for any of the games you left out....

Which is my damn point.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

On what multiplatform games is the ps5 loading games twice as fast as the xbox?
Is it loading tony squawk twice as fast?

You need to widen your view.
There are several games on PS5 with loading times in 2-3s.

You calling Multiplatform just prove the Multiplatform devs subutilize the PS5’s SSD capabilities and not that the marketing was not proved.

Games already showed the power of SSD on PS5.... so there is evidence that it is true.

The SSD FUD created by Xbox fans ended when games at launch started to show it is indeed like Sony told you months before the launch.

Show me these games running with 2.1s and 3.1s on Series X?

Because I can list several on PS5.
Miles Morales, Demon’s Souls, Astro Playroom, Sackboy Adventure, NioH, Destruction Allstars, etc.

You can?

Ok, list all the multiplatform games PS5 loads in 2-3 seconds.

Miles Morales, Demon’s Souls, Astro Playroom, Sackboy Adventure, NioH, Destruction Allstars, etc.

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LOL

 

[DenchDeckard]

NOPE go look at ps5 exclusives they all load in a flash. Show me any game on series x that loads in 1 second like spiderman, godfall, demon souls.! Crossgen games arent using ps5s api fully they are using lastgen code. So cerny wasnt talking marketing! As microsoft. Who spread meaningless buzzwords.

This is what cracks me up with you guys spouting this stuff. You laugh at Xbox tools memes and say the Xbox can’t be using a next gen GDK development platform and simply will not believe that cross Gen games may not be using the series x to its full potential, but then you go on about cross Gen games arent using the magic of the ps5 ssd. it makes no sense to me. It is literally one use for one console and different for another.

let’s try and be level here.

also, what buzzwords does ms have? Smart delivery? That’s actually turned out amazing. Quick resume? Which once you Start using it you wish your ps5 had it? Because I do. Both consoles are amazing.

by the way I have played through the whole of miles morales and it is incredibly fast but it is a couple of seconds, a little faster than yakuza like a dragon on series x.
xbox absolutely loads some cross Gen games in 3 to 4 seconds.

 

[FrankWza]

after today’s news

 

[Gediminas]

Technically, it isn't. The PS5 is $499, the PS5 DE is $399.

I guess we could run some numbers on what percentage of PS5s are in which configuration and determine if the DE has any relevance to the general market at this point.

technically it is, it's still PS5. but you can always reinvent some terminology, numbers, characters or whatever, m$ does that daily, to suit your agenda.

 

[jroc74]

Let's throw a spanner in the works.

What ate the loading times between the two versions?

All we heard about from the ps5 is how much faster the ssd is. Twice as fast easily. If its not loading games as twice as fast as the xbox is that not a loss for the ps5?

And what is the reason that games aren't loading twice as fast on ps5?

Lets throw another spanner in the works.

Can we see examples of the PS5 SSD, I/O in effect in first party, exclusive games?
Can we see examples of 12TF in XSX exclusive, first party games? (dont even know how to word this because of Series S)

Exactly.

 

[abel empire]

On what multiplatform games is the ps5 loading games twice as fast as the xbox?
Is it loading tony squawk twice as fast?

THese are crossgen games! Using then as a benchmark on how ps5s ssd works is lunacy. They are programmed to work on old io hardware not the ps5s io! Wait for proper nextgen games that are completely made natively for nextgen consoles and see there wont even be loading screens in most mextgen games on ps5 because that ssd is similar to a large pool of ram... go and google ramdisk!

 

[jroc74]

Which is my damn point.

So you take every game as a whole up until now. There should be some conclusions to draw from easily.

I am absolutely amazed that whats starting to happen now is what some ppl wanted to happen in the other Tony Hawk thread.....to just think about it logically. Some folks didnt want that.....

NOW, we wanna look at the big picture. Cool.

 

[bender]

technically it is, it's still PS5. but you can always reinvent some terminology, numbers, characters or whatever, m$ does that daily, to suit your agenda.

Cerny uses the circuitry in the Blu Ray Drive to push more frames and resolution and the whirl of a spinning disc to produce extra cooling which allows further overclocking of the APU.

 

[ethomaz]

You can?

Ok, list all the multiplatform games PS5 loads in 2-3 seconds.


LOL

It doesn't matter if it is first-party or multiplaform because they prove what the SSD is capable of.

For me it is atrocious to see all these games being launch with 10s, 15s, 20s loading times... it is just not on the quality level of a next-gen title... devs needs fast to change development paradigm.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Jokes aside. This is a great gen with both console pretty much identical for all games and neither being lagging behind compared to all previous gens. Gamers win.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It doesn't matter if it is first-party or multiplaform because they prove what the SSD is capable of.

Sure it does.

Half the time in these comparisons Xbox has faster loading times. Even S is faster than PS5. So it shows the PS5 SSD is weak if it cant beat a slower SSD in a budget priced 4tf system.

 

[bender]

Jokes aside. This is a great gen with both console pretty much identical for all games and neither being lagging behind compared to all previous gens. Gamers win.

 

[ethomaz]

Sure it does.

Half the time in these comparisons Xbox has faster loading times. Even S is faster than PS5. So it shows the PS5 SSD is weak if it cant beat a slower SSD in a budget priced 4tf system.

Play what you think is fast.

I will continue playing games at 2s on PS5

Just stop the bullshit that it is not proved when it is exactly what PS5 users are having with first party games.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Lets throw another spanner in the works.

Can we see examples of the PS5 SSD, I/O in effect in first party, exclusive games?
Can we see examples of 12TF in XSX exclusive, first party games? (dont even know how to word this because of Series S)

Exactly.

I actually can, go play gears of war hive busters. It’s dope. I see the 12 tf of power on loads of games. It’s like saying I don’t see my 3080 tf performing playing doom eternal, or apex legends. I see my ps5 performing extremely well on ghosts of Tsushima and it doesn’t look much worse than demons souls or miles morales to me. GoT looks sick on ps5 and it’s higher resolution that demons souls and miles morales.

THese are crossgen games! Using then as a benchmark on how ps5s ssd works is lunacy. They are programmed to work on old io hardware not the ps5s io! Wait for proper nextgen games that are completely made natively for nextgen consoles and see there wont even be loading screens in most mextgen games on ps5 because that ssd is similar to a large pool of ram... go and google ramdisk!

Lmao, these are all cross Gen games not using velocity architecture or mesh shaders or any of microsofts next gen stuff but that doesn’t apply...because?

man I am glad I like all gaming platforms, some of you are weird with how obsessed you are with one platform. They are both amazing consoles imo

 

[assurdum]

But what about asmr Cerny whispering his soft promises of superfast io and an ssd speed never seen before in the gaming world. Hard soldered onto the motherboard providing the most earth shattering speed of io and vertices and whatever else it does....to find its loading loads of games slower/barely faster than the xbox with a standard off the shelf drive?

Both sides have made marketing statements and both consoles haven't performed to whats expected from what fanboys were shouting about.

Eeer did you ever seen the speed difference in the SSD between ps5 and series X at least? Where Cerny lied exactly?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Eeer did you ever seen the speed difference in the SSD between ps5 and series X at least? Where Cerny lied exactly?

I thought it was twice as fast as the Xbox ssd? Or was that me just reading comments online?

 

[Mmnow]

So you take every game as a whole up until now. There should be some conclusions to draw from easily.

That's just getting into list wars on two consoles that came in hot and still aren't even starting to showing what they can do.

Most games have been identical or as close as, either at launch or after patching. Those that haven't are hold-overs from last gen. The biggest differences have been a win for Xbox overall, with smaller victories for PlayStation. The PS5 doesn't have anything near as clear a win as Hitman or Avengers.

But it doesn't matter because none of these things are indicative of what we'll have in 12 months.

All I'm asking for is a little consistency in the bullshit. Don't cheer for a cross-gen win today and then say they don't count tomorrow. Don't say frame rate is all important and then cheer for resolution because that number is suddenly higher.

 

[ethomaz]

Lets throw another spanner in the works.

Can we see examples of the PS5 SSD, I/O in effect in first party, exclusive games?
Can we see examples of 12TF in XSX exclusive, first party games? (dont even know how to word this because of Series S)

Exactly.

Exactly.

PS5 shows what the SSD can do.

Maybe the issue here is that MS dropped the exclusive development and focused on the GDK multiplatform development... that really makes it hard to show all the potential of Series X but I hope they can reach that.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Play what you think is fast.

I will continue playing games at 2s on PS5

Just stop the bullshit that it is not proved when it is exactly what PS5 users are having with first party games.

Make up your mind. Is it 2 second multiplatform games or (Edit) 2 second multiplatform first party games

lol

 

[assurdum]

I thought it was twice as fast as the Xbox ssd? Or was that me just reading comments online?

So why you said it's a marketing spin?

 

[ethomaz]

Make up your mind. Is it 2 second multiplatform games or (Edit) 2 second multiplatform first party games

lol

My mind is clear.
There are games that shows and proved the SSD power on PS5.
If they are not multiplatform games it is a dev issue and not a PS5 SSD issue.

 

[abel empire]

This is what cracks me up with you guys spouting this stuff. You laugh at Xbox tools memes and say the Xbox can’t be using a next gen GDK development platform and simply will not believe that cross Gen games may not be using the series x to its full potential, but then you go on about cross Gen games arent using the magic of the ps5 ssd. it makes no sense to me. It is literally one use for one console and different for another.

let’s try and be level here.

also, what buzzwords does ms have? Smart delivery? That’s actually turned out amazing. Quick resume? Which once you Start using it you wish your ps5 had it? Because I do. Both consoles are amazing.

by the way I have played through the whole of miles morales and it is incredibly fast but it is a couple of seconds, a little faster than yakuza like a dragon on series x.
xbox absolutely loads some cross Gen games in 3 to 4 seconds.

Both consoles load some crossgen games at 3-4 seconds and ps5 being faster than series x and miles morales is a second or 2 infact all playstation exclusives load in 2 seconds. So sony werent just spouting marketing terms.

The issue is ive been saying for months not to consuder crossgen games as benchmark but people couldnt help themselves. They dont show proper capabilities of the consoles they just hint in some ways or another.

And hes series x has gdk issues and ps5 has bc legacy emulation issues that affects its crossgen games so you get varied performance differences in games

3rd ps5 has backedwhat mark cerny spoke about. Having a super fast ssd that streams data so fast before u turn its essentially ram amd weve seen that in unreal 5, ratchet and clank switching worlds, demon souls streaming texture/polygon data from ssd before u take a corner and games loading in a second.. advantage of faster clocks and efficient data throughput from ssd to video memory to processing hence no stutters when loading as weve seen on series x frame drops/stutters when loading a level during gameplay in cyberpunk, control,.. texture popin in the medium, mortal shell. So back to you where is the proof of 12 tflops, 560gb/s higher bandwidth, sampler feedback. Rdna 2 complete vrs!
Microsoft have for years been known for excelling in alot of hot air in marketing than actual engineering, its your typical american company "just shout talk big numbers and everybody will buy it". And u feel for it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So why you said it's a marketing spin?

So why isn’t it loading games twice as fast as what the Xbox is?

 

[assurdum]

That's just getting into list wars on two consoles that came in hot and still aren't even starting to showing what they can do.

Most games have been identical or as close as, either at launch or after patching. Those that haven't are hold-overs from last gen. The biggest differences have been a win for Xbox overall, with smaller victories for PlayStation. The PS5 doesn't have anything near as clear a win as Hitman or Avengers.

But it doesn't matter because none of these things are indicative of what we'll have in 12 months.

All I'm asking for is a little consistency in the bullshit. Don't cheer for a cross-gen win today and then say they don't count tomorrow. Don't say frame rate is all important and then cheer for resolution because that number is suddenly higher.

No? Have 2 games which lower res dynamically at 1080p on series X and around 1200p on ps5 are not a clear win? Really?

 

[assurdum]

So why isn’t it loading games twice as fast as what the Xbox is?

Because they are still coded for the old HDD yet?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Both consoles load some crossgen games at 3-4 seconds and ps5 being faster than series x and miles morales is a second or 2 infact all playstation exclusives load in 2 seconds. So sony werent just spouting marketing terms.

The issue is ive been saying for months not to consuder crossgen games as benchmark but people couldnt help themselves. They dont show proper capabilities of the consoles they just hint in some ways or another.

And hes series x has gdk issues and ps5 has bc legacy emulation issues that affects its crossgen games so you get varied performance differences in games

3rd ps5 has backedwhat mark cerny spoke about. Having a super fast ssd that streams data so fast before u turn its essentially ram amd weve seen that in unreal 5, ratchet and clank switching worlds, demon souls streaming texture/polygon data from ssd before u take a corner and games loading in a second.. advantage of faster clocks and efficient data throughput from ssd to video memory to processing hence no stutters when loading as weve seen on series x frame drops/stutters when loading a level during gameplay in cyberpunk, control,.. texture popin in the medium, mortal shell. So back to you where is the proof of 12 tflops, 560gb/s higher bandwidth, sampler feedback. Rdna 2 complete vrs!
Microsoft have for years been known for excelling in alot of hot air in marketing than actual engineering, its your typical american company "just shout talk big numbers and everybody will buy it". And u feel for it.

you know I was so with you all the way until the end there. What started off as a great post went too negative in the last few sentences.

if we are seeing stutters in true next Gen game’s and weird hitches etc then I will concede that you were onto something but I genuinely believe what we are seeing on Xbox is just teething issues. We keep saying it but we are barely 6 months into this Gen in a worldwide pandemic.
one thing I agree on, I can’t wait to play Ratchet I’m a huge fan of insomniac and competed all previous entry’s. That game will be awesome!

 

[jroc74]

I actually can, go play gears of war hive busters. It’s dope. I see the 12 tf of power on loads of games. It’s like saying I don’t see my 3080 tf performing playing doom eternal, or apex legends. I see my ps5 performing extremely well on ghosts of Tsushima and it doesn’t look much worse than demons souls or miles morales to me. GoT looks sick on ps5 and it’s higher resolution that demons souls and miles morales.

Lmao, these are all cross Gen games not using velocity architecture or mesh shaders or any of microsofts next gen stuff but that doesn’t apply...because?

man I am glad I like all gaming platforms, some of you are weird with how obsessed you are with one platform. They are both amazing consoles imo

If Hive Busters and other games on XSX are showing what 12TF can do....IMO MS shouldnt have been screaming 12 from the rooftops. Because so far...12=10.

That's just getting into list wars on two consoles that came in hot and still aren't even starting to showing what they can do.

Most games have been identical or as close as, either at launch or after patching. Those that haven't are hold-overs from last gen. The biggest differences have been a win for Xbox overall, with smaller victories for PlayStation. The PS5 doesn't have anything near as clear a win as Hitman or Avengers.

But it doesn't matter because none of these things are indicative of what we'll have in 12 months.

All I'm asking for is a little consistency in the bullshit. Don't cheer for a cross-gen win today and then say they don't count tomorrow. Don't say frame rate is all important and then cheer for resolution because that number is suddenly higher.

You want consistency...and arent even consistent how you are describing things.

So I dont even know what you want.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Because they are still coded for the old HDD yet?

And games are still coded for old graphics cards and Microsoft’s xdk? Have had to be ported to the new gdk?

 

[DForce]

Ya and those same games on Xbox could be loading in 2.1 - 3.1 seconds. So as usual you beat around the bush when someone brings up double the SSD without even comparing speeds.

As as sites brought up various times, there's many games which Xbox (even the 4tf S version) can load faster than PS5.

Why don't you start listing games.

 

[Mmnow]

No? Have 2 games which lower res dynamically at 1080p on series X and around 1200p on ps5 is not a clear win? Really?

This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Xbox hits 1080p for a few frames at its lowest point and we have no more information about why. How is that at all in the same league as Hitman or Avengers?

Edit: And I'm not even getting any further into individual games. It's pointless. Get a grip.

 

[DenchDeckard]

If Hive Busters and other games on XSX are showing what 12TF can do....IMO MS shouldnt have been screaming 12 from the rooftops. Because so far...12=10.

You want consistency...and arent even consistent how you are describing things.

So I dont even know what you want.

honestly man, it ain’t that big. 12=10 it’s all good. I’d rather them both be the same.

5000gb/s = 2500gb/s